Lion of the Blogosphere

Hungary is a model for how we need to do things in the U.S.

The media has been full of stories like this one claiming that Democracy has died in Hungary. Because why?

  • Because the mainstream Hungarian media is an “echo chamber” for right-wing views.
  • There has been gerrymandering to favor the party that’s currently in power.
  • The party in power appoints judges that share the same views.

Hey, this sounds EXACTLY like how things work in the United States, except that instead of the media being a right-wing echo chamber, it’s a left-wing Trump-hating echo chamber.

Thus according to the New York Times, “democracy” means left-wing people control everything, and “authoritarianism” means that right-wing people control everything.

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I would say that the right-wing in Hungary is a lot SMARTER than the right-wing in the United States, because they understand the importance of controlling the mainstream media.

Viktor Orban has reduced the Hungarian budget deficit, raised taxes, and increased government benefits to the working classes, the exact opposite of standard G.O.P. policies. Hungary has a universal public healthcare system, which Viktor Orban does NOT want to repeal.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 28, 2018 at 9:21 AM

Posted in International

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  1. Most of the “right wing” in the US isn’t really right wing, though; its ideology is far closer to anarchism than Toryism.

    Peregrino Nuzkwamia

    December 28, 2018 at 9:34 AM

    • Most Americans on the right would love to have a benevolent social welfare system that their fellow Americans could use. But the meaning of “fellow American” has become so distorted over the last 6-7 decades, that isn’t a reasonable option.

      Lowe

      December 28, 2018 at 12:01 PM

    • Most Americans on the right would love to have a benevolent social welfare system that their fellow Americans could use.

      No they don’t.

      Except for a tiny fringe element, the American right has always opposed welfare on both economic and moral grounds.

      But the meaning of “fellow American” has become so distorted over the last 6-7 decades, that isn’t a reasonable option.

      There’s no support for the welfare state on the right even if welfare were limited to whites – the middle and higher classes have never needed a welfare state and they do not feel solidarity with poor trash whites to carve one out for them.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 28, 2018 at 5:41 PM

      • Most Americans on the right are deeply generous people, who misguidedly believe in the Baby Jesus, that abortion is universally wrong, etc. I have no doubt they would support a social welfare system, if it could be trusted not to reward unrepentant vice, profligacy, and infiltrators, illegal and otherwise.

        Exploding racial and cultural diversity make that trust hard or impossible.

        Lowe

        December 28, 2018 at 7:58 PM

      • I have no doubt they would support a social welfare system,

        They never have before in the country’s +200 year history, and anyway what is the point since you won’t be able to promise more welfare than the Progressives in order to get control of the welfare state. Even in the best case it welfare would primarily just go to lower tier whites at the expense of smarter, taxpaying whites.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 28, 2018 at 10:45 PM

      • Comparisons of present day Americans with Americans of the distant past is questionable, especially if you are talking pre-telephone or pre-telegraph. The US took a long time to settle, and the administration of a welfare system was impractical in most of the US, most of that time.

        Also, if you read this individual thread you will see that I do not for a political strategy using welfare. I only explain why American conservatives these days do not support welfare systems, which I did not think Peregrino knew.

        Lowe

        December 29, 2018 at 1:19 AM

      • Comparisons of present day Americans with Americans of the distant past is questionable, especially if you are talking pre-telephone or pre-telegraph.

        The fact remains middle and higher class whites do not support welfare for poor whites.

        In fact, poor whites themselves are embarrassed to admit if they are on some kind of welfare, just as their ancestors were loathe to ask the government for help.

        The white public’s support for this kind of welfare doesn’t exist and is consistent with past attitudes on the subject.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 29, 2018 at 7:19 PM

  2. Right wing doesn’t necessarily mean a reflexive opposition to the welfare state. Bismarck was the creator of the modern welfare state, however, he was no left wing socialist.

    Oswald Spengler

    December 28, 2018 at 10:24 AM

    • Bismarck’s welfare state wasn’t feeding a legion of foreign interlopers granted “citizenship” by obtuse laws. Feeding them so much, sometimes, they become sick from being fat, and have to be saved using advanced medical technology.

      Imagine what Bismarck would say if you described it to him, then rethink whether he was a socialist, in the modern, Western meaning.

      Lowe

      December 28, 2018 at 11:57 AM

      • This the difference between the national and the international socialism.

        Yakov

        December 28, 2018 at 2:41 PM

      • Bismarck was the creator of the modern welfare state, however, he was no left wing socialist.

        Welfare to promote Nationalism is a stupid strategy. The right can never get control of a welfare state and repurpose it because the system naturally favors Progressives using welfare to cement their political power.

        If the right can’t outbid the left in terms of deploying welfare resources then the right will never gain direct welfare to its own political benefit.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 28, 2018 at 5:44 PM

      • Whatever it is, bringing primitive people into your country, letting them fatten up from McDs and KFC, then undertaking heroic efforts to save their fat bodies from themselves, perfectly embodies the guiding ideology of our elites.

        In the stupid minds of our elites, this process is the reason Western civilization exists at all. Imagine explaining that to our ancestors. They would assume you were insane.

        Lowe

        December 28, 2018 at 5:59 PM

    • Bismarck was German. TuJ is correct, the American right has never supported social welfare benefits. Charities for the poor, not government programs.

      gothamette

      December 28, 2018 at 9:55 PM

      • Wasn’t Bismarck thinking more of heading off Marxism, rather than acting out of true benevolence?

        He correctly noticed how popular Marxism was.

        And it’s happening again as a new generation who are too young to remember Communism comes of age.

        Frau Katze

        December 29, 2018 at 8:17 AM

      • I really don’t know a lot about it, but I think you’re probably right. he was also dealing with a new situation, which was a lot of people who we’re thrown off the land and into the industrial system, and they weren’t exactly writing code. So they needed some help.

        gothamette

        December 29, 2018 at 8:26 PM

  3. Benefits of having a supermajority vs a mere majority. This isn’t just a “dumb Republicans” thing. Netanyahu and his coalition have tried to do many of the same things in Israel with far less success. Netanyahu’s attempts to co-opt parts of the media will likely see him indicted next year.

    IHTG

    December 28, 2018 at 10:40 AM

  4. They also recently bought 24 top of the line 155 mm howitzers and 44 top of the line tanks (from Germany) to appease the Germans (though they choose Bavarian sub-contractors where they could – Bavaria is culturally more close to the Czech Republic and Austria and hence anti-immigraton and anti-neomarx).

    Those 70 pieces of heavy armor alongside with abut 30 new helicopters represent a vsizeable growth of force (when compared to the rest of EU).

    bombexpert

    December 28, 2018 at 11:33 AM

  5. Its a mute point because the Roma gypsies are breeding out of control in Hungary (with an IQ of 75). They will be the majority in 100 years.

    DataExplorer

    December 28, 2018 at 11:45 AM

    • *moot

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      December 28, 2018 at 1:23 PM

    • Hungarians can find a way to get rid of them. And get rid of them they should.

      Yakov

      December 28, 2018 at 2:10 PM

    • Why do people say mute point.

      Mrs Stitch

      December 28, 2018 at 5:27 PM

      • They don’t have mouths, do they?

        Lowe

        December 29, 2018 at 1:26 AM

      • Because « moot » as a stand alone word for a meeting or assembly became obsolete at least 500 years ago. Unless you’re a Tolkien fan and remember « entmoots ».

        Peter Akuleyev

        December 29, 2018 at 3:30 AM

      • There’s moot court!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 29, 2018 at 9:19 AM

    • I haven’t studied the situation, but I really doubt it. Modernity seems to cause all groups’ birth rates to drop.

      I remember back the 70s it was predicted that Israel would be majority Arab by the year 2000. This was based on the fact that at the time, the Arab fertility rate was like 7.0. Those predictions failed because the Arab fertility dropped quite a lot since then and continues to drop today. No group (apart from insulated ultra-religious minorities) seems to be immune.

      Not that it really matters, because the real problem is not the superior numbers of third-world people. The real problem is infighting and status competitions between and among first-world people. Just look at the case of South Africa. A 10% white minority had no problem staying in control of the country. It wasn’t until outside whites decided to go on a moral crusade against South Africa that the system fell.

      fortaleza84

      December 29, 2018 at 10:00 AM

      • Then that shouldn’t happen again, since for future white minority societies there will be no outside whites.

        Lowe

        December 29, 2018 at 1:56 PM

  6. Given the bland, dullard and laggard reactionaries of the right when protesting in Meriprolestan, savvy Euros who put on a fireworks of anarchy are anything but…

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    December 28, 2018 at 1:29 PM

  7. Orban won’t accept muslim immigrants which makes him a far-right fascist in the eyes of the media. None of his other policies matter.

    Alex

    December 28, 2018 at 3:57 PM

    • Supporting a welfare system in which migrants cannot participate, implying it serves primarily white, ethnic Hungarians, makes him even more racist in their eyes. Anything that helps white people but goes not let non-whites horn in, is racist.

      Lowe

      December 28, 2018 at 5:53 PM

  8. And not only all that, but an end to “gender studies” in Hungarian universities as well.

    a bee ee?

    December 28, 2018 at 5:31 PM

  9. Getting control of Hungarian language media is a lot easier than English.

    Aron

    December 28, 2018 at 5:48 PM

  10. One of the first things Putin and his allies did when they successfully reconquered Russia from the capitalist oligarchs was to break the mainstream media bringing them to heel. They also seized their assets and gave away lucrative media properties and broadcast licenses to partners/friends. Conservatives need to start using the power of the state if they hoped to achieve anything similar.

    redarmyvodka

    December 29, 2018 at 3:25 AM

  11. Euro rightwingers wldnt want healthcare & welfare if 30% was nonwhite, and 50% of benificiaries either.

    I think the US wld have a national health care system if it was homogeneous.

    Maciano

    December 29, 2018 at 4:33 AM

    • If it were homogeneous, the US absolutely would have a national healthcare system. After entering the 20th century, when these programs became technically feasible, the US has always been increasing its ethnic and racial diversity, letting in groups that the natives neither trusted nor wanted to support.

      If anything the charitable giving of Americans suggests they would be all for various social benefits for the poor, and everybody, if the state could be trusted to administer it correctly, and the money could be trusted to go to Americans. Neither of those things can be assured when racial and cultural diversity is growing.

      It is harder to trust people when you aren’t related to them. This is very straightforward. I am glad at least one other person sees this obvious effect.

      Lowe

      December 29, 2018 at 2:06 PM

    • Don’t they have a lot of gypsies? Or is that Romania? The gypsies sound like complete total losers. Live a clan lifestyle, make money by stealing stuff.

      I have a theory that comes from Greg Cochran. The current gypsies are what’s left of a “boiled off” group.

      They’ve been in Europe for centuries. Lots of time for the brighter ones to see the gypsy life was awful. Much more promising to leave and blend in with other Europeans.

      What’s left is awful.

      Frau Katze

      December 29, 2018 at 6:41 PM

      • That could also be true about First Nations people in Canada who still live on remote reserves. Though the ones in western Canada haven’t had as long to boil off.

        Rosenmops

        December 29, 2018 at 10:26 PM

  12. Economically Orbán has been a disaster, turning Hungary into a low wage destination for foreign corporations. Poland is thriving, Hungary is rocked by protests over the „slave wage law“ and massive emigration. Good summary here:

    https://meanwhileinbudapest.com/2018/12/07/orbans-simplistic-economic-vision-backfires/

    Peter Akuleyev

    December 30, 2018 at 3:41 AM

    • The article makes no sense

      1. It says the factory left because wages were too high and there was a labor “shortage”.
      2. It says that Orban has a vision of “cheap labor” and people are unemployed.

      1 & 2 are opposite of each other.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 30, 2018 at 10:12 AM

      • It’s not a contradiction, just perhaps badly explained. Orban for years tried to keep wages low, to encourage foreign investment. It worked, but low wages also drove a lot of skilled labor out of the country. Orban’s policy of favoring foreign corporations (like car manufacturers and call centers) inhibited the growth of local entrepreneurs and a thriving private sector. As a result there are very few dynamic Hungarian owned companies of any scale, particularly notable if you contrast Hungary with Poland or the Czech Republic (or even Romania). Now, thanks to low birth rates and emigration, Hungary doesn’t have enough labor to continue growing as an attractive low-cost manufacturing site but also doesn’t have much in the way of high value adding local industries, and is pretty much screwed. Classic “middle income trap”.

        Peter Akuleyev

        December 30, 2018 at 10:42 AM

      • @Peter Akuleyev: None of that matters as long as Hungary stays full of Hungarians (and not Arabs/Africans). Economic factors can always be tweaked later, but once you turn over your country to hordes of third world invaders, it’s ruined forever.

        Pete

        January 2, 2019 at 3:04 PM

      • @Pete You are correct, mass immigration cannot be reversed, economic policies can be easily be changed. Mass immigration is forever.

        Frau Katze

        January 2, 2019 at 6:36 PM

  13. Hungary is 400 km from Vienna. How could Viktor Orban keep skilled cheap labor in hungary? It is so easy to go to Áustria and earn more…

    Bruno Brazil

    December 30, 2018 at 3:06 PM


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