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Who wins the Democratic nomination in 2020

Only a lot of old geezers running. That leaves Beto O’Roarke as the only non-old-geezer.

Could Hillary Clinton return?

The Democratic Party decided to abolish “superdelegates” for 2020.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 31, 2018 at 11:59 AM

Posted in Politics, Uncategorized

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  1. As I mentioned in the previous thread, Elizabeth Warren has announced. So getting the genetic test results out there was definitely an attempt to get her past lies out there, and talk them to death, in advance of her campaign.

    I think I would prefer Hilary Clinton came back and won the nomination, over Elizabeth Warren. Warren is unbearably schoolmarmish, and a proved self-serving liar. Electing her president would be a national embarrassment.

    People have mentioned Kamala Harris as a hopeful for a while, and Beto O’Rourke comes up as well, as you mentioned. It is also possible Bernie Sanders runs again. Of all outcomes I can imagine now, Sanders taking the nomination and debating Trump on the merits of immigration and trade seems the best.

    There being no superdelegates would help Sanders. But he is ancient now, 77 y/o. Wouldn’t that make him the oldest to run, ever?

    Lowe

    December 31, 2018 at 12:26 PM

    • “I think I would prefer Hilary Clinton came back and won the nomination, over Elizabeth Warren. Warren is unbearably schoolmarmish, and a proved self-serving liar. Electing her president would be a national embarrassment.”

      And Hillary is not cut from the same cloth?

      a bee ee?

      December 31, 2018 at 4:01 PM

      • Not as bad.

        Lowe

        December 31, 2018 at 7:12 PM

  2. Will Otis the Sweaty return, now that presidential campaigns may start?

    Lowe

    December 31, 2018 at 12:29 PM

  3. Perhaps a dark horse? Shultz, the Brooklyn born CEO of Starbucks has made some noise.

    Steve

    December 31, 2018 at 12:30 PM

    • Soeaking of dark horse candidates, what about Mike Bloomberg?

      Oswald Spengler

      December 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM

      • He’s not liberal enough for today’s Democratic voters.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 31, 2018 at 2:31 PM

      • What about Chucky “No Cheese” Schumer as you suggested?

        I really don’t see him as a liberal or democratic brat, but a politician who is pragmatic.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        December 31, 2018 at 2:44 PM

      • Do you expect the toilet law, guido graduate, Ricky Santa Forum to make a reappearance?

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        December 31, 2018 at 5:09 PM

      • Ricky Santa Forum was actually involved with the production of a Christmas Movie.

        So his last name is fitting – I’m Santa, now let me speak in the Forum.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christmas_Candle

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        December 31, 2018 at 5:19 PM

  4. Many people like O’Rourke, but there’s the fact that in the recent election he failed to unseat an unpopular incumbent who was just begging to be defeated.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    December 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM

    • It was Texas. Democrats can’t win in Texas.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 31, 2018 at 1:31 PM

      • Not as true as in the recent past. Texas is steadily getting more and more Hispanic, and because of its strong economy it’s also attracting an increasing number of white migrants from other states who aren’t necessarily conservative.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        December 31, 2018 at 1:40 PM

      • Pundits used to say the same thing about Orange County, California.

        Oswald Spengler

        December 31, 2018 at 1:50 PM

      • Well, O’Rorke lost by 2.5%. That is not nothing.

        Lowe

        December 31, 2018 at 2:55 PM

      • Ironrails is right, but the trend is mitigated by greater GOP support among Texas Hispanics compared to their California counterparts.

        a bee ee?

        December 31, 2018 at 4:04 PM

      • HBD and Mejicanos:

        California Mexicans tend to be paler, and more Castizo-like (White Hispanics who are slightly less European in appearance due to Amerindian admixture) than their prolier, browner, Mestizo kin of the Lone Star State.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        December 31, 2018 at 5:35 PM

      • The California Mexicans vs. Texas Mexicans video is funny, but one thing I noticed is that the California couple are very light Mestizos with a high proportion of white ancestry (as far as I’m concerned the woman is basically a white woman), while the Texans have much more Indio ancestry. If I’m not mistaken it’s more often quite the opposite.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        December 31, 2018 at 5:56 PM

      • Hispanics vote about the same whether they live in California or Texas. The real reason Texas isn’t California is because TX whites vote 70% GOP, while in CA the white vote is split down the middle.

        Richard

        December 31, 2018 at 7:36 PM

      • Strange factoid: the numbers of black, white and Hispanic inmates in the Texas prison population are just about the same.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        December 31, 2018 at 10:25 PM

  5. “The Democratic Party decided to abolish “superdelegates” for 2020.”

    Wow. History is determined by small things that get little attention. Now, let’s all shift our attention to the Russian non-conspiracy conspiracy.

    Curles

    December 31, 2018 at 12:45 PM

  6. Hard to predict. But a lot of petty a-holes wanting to unseat Trump is the game.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    December 31, 2018 at 2:02 PM

  7. Admiral Peter McRaven will run.

    Paul Rise

    December 31, 2018 at 3:02 PM

  8. It’s Kamala. Audacious Epigone has predicted this in a couple of posts, and I’m 100% in his camp here. She’s ruthless, has good political instincts, and has impeccable intersectional credentials. She’s also reasonably young and attractive. She’ll capture the minority vote, being the strongest minority candidate by far, and that gets her most of the way there.

    The only way for people low on the intersectional totem pole to plausibly win is if there are no credible intersectional candidates running. Kamala is a credible candidate and is on top of the pole among credible candidates, therefore, she wins unless she self-destructs (rendering herself non-credible).

    The more intersectional candidate has won both Dem primaries since 2008 (the first time credible intersectional candidates began running), and we should expect that model to continue going forward. In fact, we should expect their advantage to only increase, as attacks on whiteness and maleness that were unacceptable in 2008 are now much more mainstream.

    Warren (or whoever) will look helpless before the withering attacks Kamala will deliver against her whiteness. What Warren cannot say, cannot even suggest: It’s OK to be white.

    Wency

    December 31, 2018 at 3:22 PM

    • “Warren (or whoever) will look helpless before the withering attacks Kamala will deliver against her whiteness. What Warren cannot say, cannot even suggest: It’s OK to be white.”

      By the 2032 election, the Democratic presidential nominee will be running on a barely concealed “kill Whitey” platform of racial retribution, expropriation, and replacement.

      Oswald Spengler

      December 31, 2018 at 7:29 PM

      • But Liz Warren is Native American, not white, so checkmate Kamala!

        Tarl

        January 1, 2019 at 9:35 AM

      • With any luck, Pocahontas is sunk.

        Wency’s logic seems good. Harris seems like the favorite.

        Lowe

        January 1, 2019 at 12:22 PM

    • I think it will be a O’Rourke for president and Warren for Veep.

      gothamette

      December 31, 2018 at 8:03 PM

    • Why do you refer to one by her first name and one by her last name?

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      December 31, 2018 at 10:26 PM

      • Well, I just see her as much more of a “Kamala” than a “Harris”. Elizabeth Warren, by contrast, is very clearly a “Warren”, an Anglo-Norman elitist.

        While I decided some time ago that she will very likely one day be President, I still think “who?” for a moment when people refer to “Harris” as a Presidential hopeful. I just have trouble attaching that name to her.

        Wency

        January 2, 2019 at 9:51 AM

    • I basically agree with this. The days of a white male at the top of the Democratic ticket are over. One of the lessons of 2016 is that you need someone resembling the Obama coalition to get them to the polls, and a Biden, Hillary, or Warren ain’t it.

      Mike Street Station

      January 2, 2019 at 6:14 AM

      • Well I think the real lesson is you definitely need someone who can turn out an intense base.

        I think a white male governor will enter late as a dark horse centrist when the chaotic scramble for the leftist fringe gets too damaging for the general

        Lion of the Turambar

        January 2, 2019 at 10:18 AM

      • I’ve not doubt that a white male governor or two might throw their hat in the ring, but can you think of one that the base would be excited about? I can’t.

        Mike Street Station

        January 2, 2019 at 4:54 PM

  9. If the foaming at the mouth faction seizes control of the party (and I think it will), the nominee is going to be whoever shows themselves to be the mostly militantly pro-impeachment. As more and more candidates jump in, it will start with calls for impeachment, and progress from there to suggesting that Trump be forcibly removed without due process to clamoring for his arrest and prosecution for his attempts to stop illegal border crossings. By the time the whole process finishes playing itself out, it will be very, very difficult for the nominee to move toward the center for the general election without incurring the wrath of the howling left wing mob.

    This is dangerous stuff. The more insane the left becomes, the closer we get to a 1968-like level of political violence.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    December 31, 2018 at 4:36 PM

    • “The more insane the left becomes, the closer we get to a 1968-like level of political violence.”

      Good, maybe it will result in further culling if the Ryanista-Goldberg-McCain faction.

      Curles

      December 31, 2018 at 9:22 PM

  10. Beto O’Roarke is young and telegenic like Obama, but he also boasts of playing in indie bands and writing short stories. I think those qualities might appeal to urban hipster-losers, but most red-blooded Americans with real jobs on the left or the right would find those qualities to be pretty unpresidential, not to mention deeply beta male; nobody wants a guy like that running the show. He also has a criminal record for drunk driving, which would be magnified a million-fold if he were to run, with photos of maimed drunk-driving victims etc.

    Bogo

    December 31, 2018 at 6:49 PM

    • The DWI conviction was 20 years ago, I don’t imagine that it would be a huge issue any longer. One thing that might work in his favor is that just a few years after the incident his father was run over by a car while bicycling; while there was no alcohol involved, one could argue that O’Rourke now knows about the importance of safe driving in a way that most people do not.
      As for being Beta, when he was a Columbia University student he was the captain of the rowing squad, which may not have quite the Alpha credibility of The Most Important Sport in the World (though it may at Columbia), but is nonetheless extremely physically demanding.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      December 31, 2018 at 10:37 PM

      • Nah. Every effort to make Beto look manly last year was completely cringe-worthy. Him being on the rowing squad ages ago isn’t going to make him look alpha at this point.

        Tarl

        January 1, 2019 at 9:40 AM

    • I don’t know the details, but I doubt one DUI would hurt his chances much. Almost everybody has known somebody who got a DUI. I am not saying that is a good thing, just trying to be realistic.

      Lowe

      December 31, 2018 at 10:55 PM

      • Agree. Trotting out Bush’s DUI as an October Surprise didn’t help Gore win in 2000.

        Tarl

        January 1, 2019 at 9:38 AM

    • One thing that might help O’Rourke is that even though he’s completely white, he’s sort of an honorary Hispanic: he speaks Spanish well, represented a heavily Hispanic constituency in Congress, and even has had a Spanish nickname since childhood. This could give him an edge over some of the other Democratic contenders. Native Americans might like Elizabeth Warren, but they’re a much smaller group. Even though Kamala Harris’ mother is from India, she has more or less ignored her Indian ancestry and once again there are far fewer Indians than Hispanics.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      January 1, 2019 at 1:50 PM

      • Beto is walking embodiment of “White Privilege”. Rich, good looking, white guy who LOST his Senate race gets the nomination over two accomplished Blacks who actually won their Senate races and are sitting US Senators? How does that work in the world of Democratic grievance politics? Would not be hard at all for Kamala that a vote for Beto is a vote for systemic racism. Hell, I could see Beto dropping out the second the issue is even raised and offering to be the running mate and manservant of whatever POC wins.

        PerezHBD

        January 2, 2019 at 7:46 PM

  11. If all it takes to usher in a new era of socialism is an above average IQ, being decent looking, and mouthing all the right talking points, then the Democrats have about a million people they could run. Beta is nothing special face-wise, but he has the tall thin thing going for him. Also, why is he allowed to dress like a privileged white preppy boy? Answer this and you will understand everything about how our “elites” function.

    Fact Checker

    January 1, 2019 at 1:25 AM


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