Lion of the Blogosphere

College, part 2

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I guess I don’t have to convince any of my readers that college doesn’t make you smarter. I’d be willing to say that education after the age of 17 has absolutely ZERO impact on intelligence.

On the other hand, I do have to convince some people that the rest of the world doesn’t think that way. What the rest of the world thinks is a very complicated mix of contradictory nonsense, but once again I have to remind you that people don’t believe what they believe because they’ve thought about it logically. A lot of people really do believe that college makes people smarter.

Education and training can, in some cases, impart useful knowledge and skills. I think college does this a little bit, for certain majors. Engineering majors have to know a lot more about advanced math than they did before they entered college. I have never worked as a real engineer (I don’t consider a title I may have had as “software engineer” to mean that I was a real engineer), but I would think that at least some of that knowledge is a necessary foundation for doing their job. And a degree in computer science would at least ensure that graduate has some basic computer programming skills, along with a bunch of advanced math that’s not relevant for 95% of people working as software “engineers.”

I don’t think I need to work too hard to convince readers of the paragraph above, there’s definitely a theme in the comments that engineering or STEM are the only “real” majors.

On the other hand, commenters routinely vastly exaggerate the number of people majoring in SJW majors like “gender studies.” The vast majority of college students are majoring in something that probably sounded career related to the student. “Business” is the most popular of all college degrees, demonstrating that most people go to college for the practical benefits they imagine from having a degree in “business.” The second most popular degree is in “health professions and related programs,” which sounds like a pretty practical degree for someone who’s not smart enough to get into some elite field. Although I suspect that a lot of those degrees are bogus degrees which confer no useful job skills, such as “healthcare management.” And definitely, the vast majority of people with “business” degrees learn nothing of any practical use. But a degree in nursing teaches real-world job skills and is a great choice for a prole who wants to make decent money (for a prole).

You hear over and over again how important it is to have a college degree in order to earn more money, and that’s despite the fact that it’s crap to just say “college degree” because there’s such a vast earning difference between a degree in engineering degree and one in “fashion design.” And also a vast difference between a degree from Harvard, and a degree in the same subject from a directional state school. If you did a proper study where you actually looked at degree quality (both in terms of prestige and the usefulness of the particular major), you’d find a pretty solid correlation between degrees and earnings potential.

However, except for the uncommon degrees where people are trained to do actual job tasks are that are in demand by employers, the overwhelming majority of degrees are pretty useless as far as creating an actual skill-based reason for why the degree holder should earn any more money on account of having the degree. This is a combination of the students not being smart enough to get anything out if it (I bet that the typical holder of a degree in “business” can’t even understand the financial statements in a company’s annual report), learning topics of no commercial use like Russian History or 19th Century English literature, and a vast oversupply of specialized degrees compared to jobs.

For the most part, people earn more money with a degree because our economy values the degree regardless of whether or not the degree holder has any useful skills compared to someone of equivalent intelligence without a degree.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 10, 2019 at EST pm

Posted in Economics, Education

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  1. I often wonder whether, if I’d majored in accounting (and actually understood it), I might have been able to successfully shirt phony companies like Enron.

    Vipltd

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

  2. I would speculate that not many people believe college makes anyone smarter. People who go to college tend to know more about the world, but knowing the knowing the capital of France has nothing to do with intelligence. This is so obvious that even people in HR understand it. Consider an adult who learns a young person is attending a selective school versus graduated from a selective school. The second is not much more impressive than the first (even if someone is ignorant of the high graduation rates at Ivy League institutions).

    Vince

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • Wrong. I commonly see articles that say things like “college teaches critical thinking skills,” and “critical thinking skills” is just a fancy way of saying “smarter.”

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • Also colleges indoctrinate their students to believe “college teaches critical thinking skills”, so when the students graduate, they believe that they are smarter than people who didn’t go to college, and that college made them smart. The art-history, and poetry-appreciation professors are really invested in propagating the belief that they are turning ordinary humans into liberally-educated humans who will make more valuable employees because someone who is liberally-educated person is much better at thinking.

        I can provide about a million sources to prove this point, but for now, I’ll just provide one:

        https://www.cabrini.edu/about/mission/qualities-of-a-liberally-educated-person

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • You’re reduced to one of the weakest types of responses: semantics.

        *Now* there are two things to separate: 1) Whether or not college improves critical thinking skills. 2) Whether or not “critical thinking” really is a fancy way of saying “smarter.” Suppose we have an engineering problem, and none of our solutions are working. We keep slamming into walls. We decide to change our approach, achieve a breakthrough and credit it to “thinking smarter.” We can think about something more intelligently without becoming any more intelligent, as anyone here who has radically revised their views about religion or politics will attest.

        Michael Sandel’s lecture for his introductory course on Justice is available on Youtube, and commenters say that the Harvard students (mostly freshmen) are surprisingly simple-minded. Well, sure, they’re uninformed 18 year-olds. There’s a huge difference between freshmen and grad students. If you don’t think so, then you just have your head in the sand. When people say they didn’t learn anything in college, what they usually means is they didn’t learn anything they couldn’t otherwise learn for “free” by browsing the Internet.

        Vince

        January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • My father’s hyper-liberal wife (herself a college dropout, whose worldview is dictated by MSNBC and Salon.com) is huge on this idea that the purpose of education is to “teach people how to think.”

        Hermes

        January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • I watched the first lecture on Linear Algebra by am MIT professor. So the guy starts doing matrices on the board. This is stupid! Shaum’s outline does that, geez. I expected the guy to tell us how the discipline came about, what problems it needed to solve, what are the current challenges. I mean, to pay all this money for that? Crazy. Obviously, not all classes are stupid, but that one was.

        I’m low IQ, so I can only speak for myself. I think the more I live – the more I learn and know and I feel that I do become a little smarter, not a whole bunch smarter, but a little. That’s good for me because even a little makes a difference on my level. Like they say ‘You live and learn’ and what’s then? You become smarter, otherwise what does this mean ‘live and learn’? Can it mean ‘you live and learn’ and remain stupid just like before you learned? I don’t think so.

        Life is a good teacher. Jews should serve in the Israeli army and Gentiles in the French Foreign Legion to start the life on the right foot and to figure out their situation. That’s what I recommend.

        Yakov

        January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • Yakov,

        College is a strange culture for a practically minded man. My wife comes from a country where you can go straight into medical school from high school. Just last week she was shocked to learn that American Colleges offer degrees in “Art History”. “What can you do with that?”, she asked.

        You (as a practically minded man) might imagine that the math professor who has the easiest time finding a job is the one who is best at teaching math. Not so. The most eligible math professor is the one who has done the best job of proving his math knowledge through academic publication.

        When I was in college, academics and administrators looked at how many papers a mathematician had published in respected academic journals. Thanks to computer analysis, that metric is being replaced by a new one. The new metric is how many times an author has been cited by all other authors.

        When I was in college, no one in the school was better at solving math problems than the head of our math department. If you gave him chalk and a blackboard, he could solve a problem as fast as he could write. If he wanted the answer to come out to a specific number, he could do difficult problems backwards in his head, and set the initial parameters so that the final answer would reduce to whatever he wanted.

        I didn’t consider him very good teacher. For starters, he had a speech impediment. He stuttered, and he couldn’t pronounce the names of the Greek letters. So when solving exact differential equations, he pronounced the letter psi as “pitchfork”, and all the math majors who learned from him also pronounced it as “pitchfork”.

        He never really taught us a heuristic for figuring out what theorems to apply when solving differential equations, nor did he teach us where any of the theorems he used came from or why they worked. Second order partial differential equations are extremely useful in Physics and Engineering, but I don’t remember the practical applications being mentioned even once in class. He really liked fifth order partial differential equations, which have no known practical applications.

        College can be a bit like a Ponzi scheme. There are college classes offered that won’t prepare students to do anything in life except teaching those college classes to future students. Of course, if there are more professors than students, and the students cycle through the programs at a faster rate than the professors (who stay until the retire), it’s a cinch to see that numerous students will graduate with a piece of paper and student debt, but no job doing what they learned in school.

        The top math student in my class is a lawyer now, and says he forgot all the math he learned in college. He had to spend 4 years getting a bachelors degree he wouldn’t use because law schools in America only accept college graduates.

        Sigh. Lionomics 101.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • When people say “college teaches critical thinking skills” they actually mean “college indoctrinates people to think, react, and talk in accordance with progressive dogma.” Progressives may well think this also means college makes you smarter, because they think they are smarter than the dumb reactionaries. But I certainly don’t think it makes you smarter to be exposed to progressive propaganda.

        Tarl

        January 13, 2019 at EST pm

    • @Yakov Mathematics can seem dry. That’s why it helps to takes Physics too. There you learn how powerful those equations are. The Physics profs often went over the Math too, in case the Math profs hadn’t made it clear.

      Frau Katze

      January 11, 2019 at EST am

  3. Fashion design like Graphic design is a proper profession which require skill, talent, practice and knowledge. It also decently pays from a certain level and upwards and there are huge industries requiring those skills. Even if you don’t end up as a designer per se you can still utilise it for various jobs in the fashion industry which is huge and thriving as long as there are women on this planet.

    Hashed

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • I don’t know about that. The college I went to had a top ranked fashion design program, and as far as I know from talking to some of the girls in the program all those fashion industry jobs pay virtually nothing.

      Two in the Bush

      January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • True, but success in that field is extremely dependent on where you went to school. An electrical engineering degree from Berkeley is more prestigious than one from U of Oklahoma, but both grads are probably going to do pretty well. Somebody with a fashion design degree from FIT is going to do well; the same degree from Mississippi State is a complete waste of time and money.

      “SJW majors like “gender studies”

      It’s true that grievance studies majors have gone from “practically unheard of” to “extremely rare”, but the critical theory crap they excrete has infected a lot of other fields.

      TWBC

      January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • I looked at the Stuyvesant High School course catalog. They have a bunch of grievance studies courses as electives. So many that one student couldn’t take all of them before graduating. I assume the courses wouldn’t exist if nobody took them.

        Since it has been traditional in the West to teach liberal arts classes on a variety of subjects, I don’t see why grievance studies can’t become part of the cannon imparted to all students. That’s far more dangerous than turning out a hand full of grievance studies majors.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • Fashion is a winner-take-all profession. There are significantly more job seekers than jobs, so internships, and (low-paying) assistant positions, are the norm *for years*.

  4. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, and also yes.

    Another trend I noticed was that a lot of students at my college started off as Biology majors, and then changed their majors to sociology, or psychology. They generally came up with excuses for why they were really more interested in the easy majors.

    I hired a college admissions coaching service for my wife’s younger brother. The first phone call I had with them, they told me that 80% of college students change their majors, and agreed with me that it was mostly changing to easier major, rather than changing majors for any other reason. Now that I think back on it, I’m not sure if the 80% number is for all colleges, or only elite colleges.

    To me, this is a serious social problem.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • In college I had a roommate who started out as a biology major, but couldn’t handle the workload, and switched to Education. So I assume now he is out there somewhere teaching biology. That seems to the source of a lot of Education majors; Education is the last stop on the college train before flunking out.

      Mike Street Station

      January 13, 2019 at EST am

    • “80% of college students change their majors, and agreed with me that it was mostly changing to easier major, rather than changing majors for any other reason”

      This is why you want your kid to attend a large school with lots of majors – so it is easy to change to an easier major. If they go to a small specialized STEM school, there is no way to fall back to being a history major.

      Tarl

      January 13, 2019 at EST pm

      • If they try to change to an easy major and I find out about it, there will be a family intervention. Graduates of Caribbean medical schools, and people with actuarial science degrees from Podunk U have better life outcomes than history majors who graduate from an Ivy.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        January 14, 2019 at EST am

  5. “I’d be willing to say that education after the age of 17 has absolutely ZERO impact on intelligence.”

    That is probably right, but I think that college does provide an important education in certain social and professional skills that are absolutely essential to competing in the job market in the kinds of jobs that lead to a decent upper middle class lifestyle. So in that regard, the meme that college is useless in the current day is pretty silly.

    Two in the Bush

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

  6. Anyone who lives in Manhattan will notice that a few computer shops are run by Eastern Asiatics who make a living, installing, repairing and upgrading computing systems. One thing I noticed is that these guys aren’t friendly or even curious about computers judging by their demeanor. The same cannot be said of all the shops owned by White proles, some of them demonstrating a flair for history and creativity. One of them sells vintage typewriters and even displays a Commodore 64 and an Apple IIe, presumbly for sale to a computer geek who loves collecting a piece of tech history.

    Now, are these racial differences due to training, college education or HBD? I say HBD!

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • Asians are in it for the money, white people who are in it are only in it because they love computers.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • I must agree. Once I worked with a Chinese man and I can remember him saying (I can’t remember the context) “Only thing [that] matters, [that] we get our paycheques.” His English wouldn’t have been good enough to say, write a user’s guide.

        But I did notice a trend: those born here were much more assimilated.

        Frau Katze

        January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • It’s not a matter of assimilation. Education doesn’t take the different outcomes into consideration in a HBD context.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • This is true in pretty much all other fields as well. The clinics that see the highest numbers of patients and provide sub-standard care are run by South and East Asians. The very best surgeons and specialists that other doctors go to see when they get sick… seems like it’s always an old white guy.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • @OK The Chinese born here speak English the same as us. That alone makes them seem more similar.

        Frau Katze

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

  7. Being smart is overrated. It’s smart + get things done + level of agreeability/obedience. If you are able to get a college degree, you’re at least signaling that you’re compliant, obedient, and willing to do work. Almost everyone I worked with who was difficult to work with did not have a degree or did very badly in school. IQ tests and job background don’t filter this as much as one would like. Even me, someone who thinks that college is a complete waste of time, would probably only hire college graduates for any kind of important role just because its a safer bet. Its too easy to fake your personality for a job interview. Not for 4 years though.

    ericsonmichaelj

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • Yes, the personality is extremely important too. You could be a whiz at Math but lazy. Like my ex. I’m sure he was smarter than me but he had poor study habits. I did all my assignments on time. He let them build up till the end of the term then pull all nighters.

      Frau Katze

      January 11, 2019 at EST am

    • True, faking the interview can be done well by those who are extremely lazy and dishonest. The college degree can’t.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      January 11, 2019 at EST pm

  8. Seems like Med School and Engineering are the only fields where one learns practical skills and knowledge.

    And doctors have the advantage of the most powerful guild union of all time (AMA) which has given them strong cash and prestige.

    fakeemail

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • Very little of value is learned in medical school. The learning is done in residency.

      jjbees

      January 10, 2019 at EST pm

      • The knowledge from medical school is useful, it’s just woefully incomplete. Let’s use the Engineering analogy. Imagine that in Brasil, engineering school teaches engineering classes and math classes. In Atlantis, engineering school only teaches math.

        When Atlantian engineering students graduate, they have to apply for residency programs. The students with the best grades get accepted into aeronautical engineering residency programs. The students with the worst grades get accepted into civil engineering programs.

        The residency programs don’t teach any math, because the residents learned that in engineering school. The programs only teach things not taught in Atlantian engineering school. Namely how to become a practitioner of whatever engineering discipline the residency is in. During the residency, engineering school graduates are expected to work 70-80 hours a week for minimum wage so that they can learn how to do their jobs.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • I would put law school in that category also. Only problem with law school is, you get out and you have to be a lawyer.

      Two in the Bush

      January 10, 2019 at EST pm

  9. The US senate apparently passed a bill today authorizing backpay for the furloughed Federal workers, once the shutdown ends. What a crock of shit. These dudes get paid for work they did not even do.

    I hope the shutdown never ends, Trump governs with emergency powers, and ignores all judges who issue injunctions. God, if you are real then hear my prayer.

    Lowe

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • It works that way every time there is a shutdown.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • I think there have been 2 or 3 other shutdowns where anyone’s pay was effected, so not many. It’s not a legal requirement they get paid for their time furloughed. Getting paid runs against the basic idea of “furlough.”

        It’s bullshit. Our gov’t is bullshit. If there were any justice Trump would extend the shutdown indefinitely, and use emergency powers to restore funding to the 3-4 gov’t agencies we need to function.

        Lowe

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • It’s a paid vacation and still all those furloughed Feds are whining.

      The government should at least pay for the furlough out of the workers current and future vacation time, because that’s what it is, a vacation.

      Tarl

      January 13, 2019 at EST pm

  10. Here is a list of majors/minors from a typical Big Ten school. I believe ~80% of these do require a college degree (or equivalent) to be able to work in. You could probably self-learn some of these by reading/solving problems. However, 95% of population would be unable to self-learn, while another 4.9% is too lazy to do it.

    Accounting ,
    Acting ,
    Aerospace Engineering and Mechanics ,
    African American and African Studies ,
    Agricultural & Food Business Management ,
    Agricultural Communication and Marketing ,
    Agricultural Education ,
    Agronomy Minor ,
    American Indian Studies ,
    American Studies ,
    Animal Science ,
    Anthropology ,
    Apparel Design ,
    Applied Economics ,
    Applied Psychology Minor ,
    Architecture ,
    Art ,
    Art History ,
    Asian American Studies Minor ,
    Asian Languages and Literatures ,
    Astrophysics ,
    Austrian&Central European Studies Minor ,
    Bachelor of Individualized Studies ,
    Biblical Studies ,
    Biochemistry ,
    Biology ,
    Biology, Society, and Environment ,
    Biomedical Engineering ,
    Bioproducts and Biosystems Engineering ,
    Business and Marketing Education ,
    Business Law Minor ,
    Cellular and Organismal Physiology ,
    Chemical Engineering ,
    Chemistry ,
    Chicano-Latino Studies ,
    Child Psychology ,
    Civil Engineering ,
    Classic & Near Eastern Archaeology Minor ,
    Classics ,
    Climatology Minor ,
    Coaching Minor ,
    Communication Studies ,
    Comparative U.S. Race & Ethnicity Minor ,
    Computer Engineering ,
    Computer Science ,
    Construction Management ,
    Corporate Environmental Management Minor ,
    Cultural Studies & Comparative Lit ,
    Dance ,
    Danish Minor ,
    Dental Hygiene ,
    Design Minor ,
    Dutch Studies Minor ,
    Early Childhood ,
    Earth Sciences ,
    Ecological Engineering Minor ,
    Ecology, Evolution and Behavior ,
    Economics ,
    Electrical Engineering ,
    Elementary Education Foundations ,
    English ,
    Entomology Minor ,
    Entrepreneurial Management ,
    Environmental Engineering ,
    Environmental Geosciences Minor ,
    Environmental Sciences, Policy and Mgmt ,
    Family Social Science ,
    Family Violence Prevention Minor ,
    Fashion Studies Minor ,
    Finance ,
    Finance & Risk Management Insurance ,
    Finnish Minor ,
    Fisheries, Wildlife, Conservation Bio. ,
    Food Science ,
    Food Systems ,
    Forest and Natural Resource Management ,
    French and Italian Studies ,
    French Studies ,
    Gender, Women and Sexuality Studies ,
    Genetics, Cell Biology, and Development ,
    Geoengineering ,
    Geographic Information Science Minor ,
    Geography ,
    German Minor ,
    German, Scandinavian, Dutch ,
    GLBT Studies Minor ,
    Global Studies ,
    Graphic Design ,
    Greek Minor ,
    Health Services Management ,
    History ,
    History of Science, Tech., Med. Minor ,
    Horticulture Minor ,
    Housing and Community Development Minor ,
    Human Resource Development ,
    Human Resources and Industrial Relations ,
    Individually Designed Interdepartmental ,
    Industrial and Systems Engineering ,
    Information Technology Infrastructure ,
    Information Technology Minor ,
    Integrated Degree Program ,
    Integrated Pest Management Minor ,
    Inter-College Program ,
    Interior Design ,
    International Agriculture Minor ,
    International Business ,
    Italian Studies ,
    Jewish Studies ,
    Joint Military Science Leadership Minor ,
    Journalism and Mass Communication ,
    Kinesiology ,
    Landscape Design and Planning ,
    Latin Minor ,
    Leadership Minor ,
    Linguistics ,
    Management Information Systems ,
    Management Minor ,
    Manufacturing Operations Management ,
    Marine Biology Minor ,
    Marketing ,
    Mass Communication Minor ,
    Materials Science and Engineering ,
    Mathematics ,
    Mechanical Engineering ,
    Medical Laboratory Sciences ,
    Medieval Studies Minor ,
    Microbiology ,
    Mortuary Science ,
    Multidisciplinary Studies ,
    Music ,
    Music Education ,
    Music Therapy ,
    Native American Env. Knowledge Minor ,
    Neuroscience ,
    Norwegian Minor ,
    Nursing ,
    Nutrition ,
    Ojibwe Language ,
    Pharmacology Minor ,
    Philosophy ,
    Physics ,
    Physiology ,
    Plant and Microbial Biology ,
    Plant Science ,
    Political Science ,
    Portuguese Studies Minor ,
    Pre-Law ,
    Pre-Med ,
    Product Design ,
    Psychology ,
    Public & Nonprofit Management ,
    Public Health Minor ,
    Racial Justice in Urban Schooling Minor ,
    Religious Studies ,
    Retail Merchandising ,
    Russian ,
    Social Justice Minor ,
    Sociology ,
    Sociology of Law, Criminology & Deviance ,
    Soil Science Minor ,
    Spanish and Portuguese Studies ,
    Spanish Studies ,
    Special Education ,
    Speech-Language-Hearing Sciences ,
    Sport Management ,
    Statistics ,
    Studies in Cinema and Media Culture ,
    Supply Chain & Operations Management ,
    Sustainability Studies Minor ,
    Sustainable Agriculture Minor ,
    Sustainable Systems Management ,
    Swedish Minor ,
    Teaching English as a Second Lang. Minor ,
    Teaching Pathways – education overview ,
    Technical Writing and Communication ,
    Theatre Arts ,
    Urban and Community Forestry Minor ,
    Urban Studies ,
    Water Science Minor ,
    Youth Studies

    My 2¢

    January 10, 2019 at EST pm

    • No Basket Weaving 101? The STEM students often made fun of the “artsies”.

      Frau Katze

      January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • I once saw a painting of a girl in my class hanging in the art building. When I saw her in person, I complimented her on it, because I thought it was a self portrait. It turns out that it was painted by someone who had a crush on her.

        I know this because she told me, and also explained: I don’t really do painting. I’m into pottery. So if you could be in college to study pottery, I’m sure there are some basket making classes mixed into the art major too.

        In an earlier conversation with her, back in freshman year, she tried to get me to agree that it was highly offensive and wrong for an art professor to tell her that her work wasn’t good. I said that I thought it was a necessary part of his job to tell students when the art they produced was not of high quality. She said: but don’t you think he’s a really terrible professor if he tells me my work is bad? We went back and forth several times, as if she thought I didn’t understand the question.

        Anyway, she never dated the painter who had the crush on her. After graduation, she married the boyfriend she had since first semester, he moved back to New Hampshire, and the two of them became organic farmers. Years later she divorced him, and married another New Hampshire farmer (which is weird because she’s from Staten Island). I guess that painter dude dodged a bullet.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

  11. Ruth Ginsburg is not recovering well and is about to depart.

    My 2¢

    January 11, 2019 at EST am

    • It’s mean-spirited to gloat about an old woman’s health declining.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • If she was liberal and a “guido” would Lion feel the same way? For the record, I intensely dislike RBG as a judge and a thinker, but wish her good health.

        maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • It’s not gloating, it’s just neutral observation and speculation.

        Hermes

        January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • She is a dangerous subversive public figure. If the resigns, I wish her to live till 120, if not, the sooner she is history the better. This is very simple.

        Yakov

        January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • But it’s not mean spirited to say a 13 year old must have been asking for it from her ‘drug dealer boyfriend.’

        toomanymice

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • I’m SURE that’s the first thing the police assumed, even if they didn’t say that publicly.

        In retrospect, had that been the case, the police would have found the guy a long time ago.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • She intends to die in action, like it was a war.

        Frau Katze

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • She’s devoted her life to destroying the country my ancestors expected we’d collectively preserve. We have no obligation to her.

        Curle

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • The liberals hate us. They want us dead. I don’t see any need to display generosity of spirit towards them.

        Tarl

        January 13, 2019 at EST pm

    • No 85 year old with freshly broken ribs is recovering well. But I think the rumors she’s about to resign are just psy-ops to try to pressure her into doing just that.

      Richard

      January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • I think she has no intention of resigning until she’s physically dead.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 11, 2019 at EST am

      • The implication being she is going to resign after she is physically dead?

        Hermes

        January 11, 2019 at EST am

  12. Your last paragraph is 100% correct.

    Bee

    January 11, 2019 at EST am

  13. [And definitely, the vast majority of people with “business” degrees learn nothing of any practical use.]

    My husband likes to tell people his one sentence MBA: Go into a dark alley with a knife, stab anything that moves and hope you come out alive.

    toomanymice

    January 11, 2019 at EST am

  14. I’m curious about business schools. What do they teach? Do they teach how to run a business, or do they teach some sort of management theory?

    The former is ridiculous because you can learn that by starting a business (AND POSSIBLY MAKE MONEY!), and the latter is useless trivia.

    • Business schools teach a good mix of marketing/finance/management/accounting/statistics/economics etc. + they force or help you to dress appropriately/socialize/find an internship/find a jobs. At some business schools you can get a feeling of what it is by taking Mini MBA, which is only one or two courses and inexpensive.

      My 2¢

      January 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • Social skills.

      Monsieur le Baron

      January 11, 2019 at EST pm

  15. I’d be willing to say that education after the age of 17 has absolutely ZERO impact on intelligence

    So education before 17 impacts intelligence?

    In The g Factor Jensen claimed that the preponderance of evidence shows g is a physiological variable, not ammenable to psychological manipulation (though I assume he was excluding extreme cases like sensory deprivation)

    pumpkinperson

    January 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • “So education before 17 impacts intelligence?”

      I did not say that.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • Intelligence is not invariant. Education does help.

        My 2¢

        January 11, 2019 at EST pm

  16. “My wife comes from a country where you can go straight into medical school from high school.”

    This is how things should be done.

    An extended and often directionless adolescent drives young people INSANE. Young people are begging to be taught and given a place by the adults. The sooner they are thrust into a world and mindset that they have to develop their skills/knowledge in order to contribute and get paid, the sooner they will be happy.

    For 18 year olds, there should be LESS CHOICES and MORE FORCE. Based on grades and IQ scores, HS grads go STRAIGHT to med school, law school, business school, Engineering, trades, and maybe a few other options. No waste of time, mental and physical capital, and sanity.

    fakeemail

    January 12, 2019 at EST am


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