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Roger Stone indictment

There’s absolutely nothing in this indictment about real crimes committed with respect to Donald Trump’s campaign. This is all about Mueller punishing anyone who is perceived as having helped Trump become President, and creating the perception for the public and the mainstream media and the Democrats in Congress that Trump is surrounded with criminals and thus Trump, by association, must be a criminal himself and should be impeached.

How the Mueller scam works is that people are made to FEEL guilty even though they didn’t commit any prosecutable crimes, so they spin things or tell what they think of as little white lies to put themselves in a better light, and then Mueller interprets that as lying or obstruction of justice.

Stone never should have voluntarily testified before Congress, and if he was subpoenaed then he never should have said anything besides “I invoke my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.” And of course he should have lawyered up, because once you have a lawyer then all communications between you and investigators have to go through the lawyer, and the lawyer won’t be suckered into feeling guilty because lawyers assume all of their clients are guilty anyway. All lawyers know that their clients’ most dangerous enemies are not prosecutors or police, but rather their clients’ own loose lips.

I urge Trump to pardon Stone ASAP. If anyone is deserving of a pardon, it’s Roger Stone. But I predict that Trump won’t do that because Trump has continuously demonstrated that he’s afraid to use his veto power to help victims of the witch hunt. Liberals call Trump “authoritarian,” but actually he’s the most powerless president of my lifetime.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 25, 2019 at 9:22 AM

Posted in Law, Politics

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  1. Not worried in the least. Trump is in control.

    Andrew E.

    January 25, 2019 at 10:19 AM

  2. Process crimes: in other words, crimes that didn’t exist before the investigation, and only became crimes BECAUSE OF the investigation.

    Here is one thing Stone was indicted on. When being interviewed, the investigators asked if Stone had communicated with Person 2 by email. Actual questioning:

    Q: So you never communicated with your intermediary in writing in any way?

    Stone: No

    Q: Never emailed him or texted him?

    Stone: He’s not an email guy.

    Q: So all your conversations with him were in person or over the phone.

    Stone: Correct

    Welllll, since they had Stone’s emails and texts, they found out he HAD emailed and texted Person 2!! Oh the humanity.

    So you see, saying “nah I called the guy and didn’t email him” now becomes a “crime.” Seriously, an actual crime he was indicted for that required a bunch of armed goons to invade the house of an old man and take him away at gun point.

    The FBI is no better than the Stasi.

    peterike

    January 25, 2019 at 10:20 AM

    • Thanks for telling us the actual conduct involved, since Leon apparently wasn’t up to it. The FBI really needs to be subjected to a massive public shaming campaign – “can’t find Seth Rich’s killer, so this is what they …”

      You know me

      January 25, 2019 at 10:58 AM

      • The indictment is online at news sites, and it’s very long and convoluted.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 25, 2019 at 11:42 AM

      • If you want to publicly shame the FBI, you’d better come with something that people care about, not tinfoil hat talk about Seth Rich. You need to talk about the FBI coming up short in cases involving children, or perhaps drug cartels.

        Lowe

        January 25, 2019 at 1:49 PM

      • I think the Seth Rich murder is central to the Russian collusion hoax hence why its being covered up and never discussed despite the fact it remains unsolved and a private detective who took on the case was subjected to a murder attempt.

        redarmyvodka

        January 26, 2019 at 9:43 PM

    • This is honestly eye-opening. If the media were at all concerned with the truth, they would report this as front-page news. “Man indicted over saying that he called someone instead of emailed them.”
      Pathetic!

      Mueller should be thrown in jail over this.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      January 25, 2019 at 2:35 PM

    • You are full of it.

      Prosecutors gave Stone multiple opportunities to say he communicated via other means. Also, you’re quoting a second, separate exchange in his testimony (which can be inferred from the first question). Previously Stone participated in this exchange:

      Q: How did you communicate with the intermediary?
      A: Over the phone.
      Q: And did you have any other means of communicating with the intermediary?
      A: No.
      Q: No text messages, no — none of the list, right?
      A: No.

      These are not fleeting moments of understandable, mistaken recollections. He knowingly lied. If he had communicated in writing, then prosecutors could ask to see those exchanges. Also, Stone instructed someone to pull a “Frank Pentangeli” and lie before Congress.

      People want to complain about how long the investigation has been going on. Obstruction doesn’t help. I love how apologists are reduced to insisting that “process crimes” are somehow not real crimes.

      Vince

      January 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM

      • You are a total fraud Vince. Roger Stone told Corsi that he should exercise his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself because Mueller’s Stasi would use any testimony no matter how truthful against him. And that’s exactly what the Stasi did! It should not be a crime to tell an American to exercise his constitutional rights. And who cares how Roger Stone communicated, email vs. phone, it’s totally immaterial. Comey testilLIED to Congress and said he didn’t remember or couldn’t recall over 250 times!!! Where’s his indictment? Mueller needs to be fired and then indicted.

        JimBonobo

        January 25, 2019 at 3:52 PM

      • Jerome Corsi? What the hell are you flapping about? Stone’s remarks were directed at Randy Credico. I do enjoy the whataboutism regarding Comey. Does Regan get a pass for Iran Contra? I’m sure people here will insist Alger Hiss was convicted of perjury, not espionage.

        The scene from The Godfather II: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjjzwIrebQ

        Vince

        January 25, 2019 at 6:47 PM

      • From the indictment: “On or about September 26, 2017—the day that STONE testified before HPSCI and denied having ever sent or received emails or text messages from Person 2 — STONE and Person 2 exchanged over thirty text messages.”

        Vince

        January 25, 2019 at 8:55 PM

      • It’s immaterial because your phone number and your text is usually the same number.

        map

        January 26, 2019 at 7:58 AM

      • “Over 30 text messages” sounds like a small number. Has the FBI released the content of those texts?

        Panther of the Blogocube

        January 26, 2019 at 5:54 PM

  3. The Roger Stone I know probably was the one who suggested the feds arrest him in a predawn raid with guns drawn and body armor. He probably tipped of CNN too.

    I’m surprised he didn’t hide in a closet like Elian Gonzales and have someone take a picture with a gun in his face. (He would have done this naked, to illustrate his heartlessness and show off his giant Richard Nixon tattoo.)

    Paul Rise

    January 25, 2019 at 10:23 AM

    • Hah. Maybe you’re right. The FBI looks so pathetic. What do they need to arrest a truly violent criminal? Tanks and howitzers?

      Stilicho

      January 25, 2019 at 10:47 AM

      • They don’t arrest real criminals, too busy harassing the duly elected President of the United States and covering up for Democrat felons.

        JimBonobo

        January 25, 2019 at 3:54 PM

  4. You’ve identified a major weakness with Trump. His failure to support allies will result in government colleagues becoming increasingly risk averse – hardly what one wants when in a war-like confrontation with the Democrats. His stance on funding the wall (ie negotiations and compromise) no doubt is meant to be statesmanlike, but in fact further portrays weakness to the enemy. He’s starting to look like a tired old man.

    lioncub

    January 25, 2019 at 10:28 AM

  5. Stone has a poor reputation with libertarians. He boasted he was responsible for a phone campaign denouncing the Libertarian Party as a communist organization and should be denied ballot access before it had even started, and a NY LP candidate is suing him for a smear campaign. Reagan was purportedly convinced he was a communist disruption agent. Trump was wise to get rid of him.

    Recently, probably for camouflage, he suddenly joined the Libertarian Party and I understand then told anyone who would listen he was a secret libertarian all along. Sure it was him all along. Like Barzini.

    The Old Libertarian

    January 25, 2019 at 11:00 AM

  6. Listen to libertarians. The only FBI agent they trust is Mulder.

    The Old Libertarian

    January 25, 2019 at 11:02 AM

  7. trump does not need to pardon stone asap. he has plenty of time

    grey enlightenment

    January 25, 2019 at 12:28 PM

    • Why wait? Do you think he is winning points with someone by waiting?

      Lowe

      January 25, 2019 at 2:00 PM

  8. Lion, as service to your readers you should include a link to this Internet classic every time one of these Mueller indictments hits.

    Never Talk to the Police

    Portlander

    January 25, 2019 at 1:56 PM

    • Great video. I remember it being posted on new media/alternative media and WN sites years ago. It has withstood the test of time and would have done a lot of good had more people heeded its warnings.

      redarmyvodka

      January 26, 2019 at 9:47 PM

      • The only three lines you need to remember when dealing with police/prosecutors.

        “I have nothing to say”.

        “I want my lawyer”.

        “Are you detaining me or am I free to go?”

        redarmyvodka

        January 26, 2019 at 9:55 PM

      • Better to say “I invoke my right to remain silent.” Saying “I have nothing to say” might be interpreted as they can ask you more questions.

        “Are you detaining me or am I free to go?” is a great thing to ask, because it establishes whether or not you are under arrest from a constitutional perspective. And of course, if they say you are free to go, you should go ASAP.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 26, 2019 at 11:52 PM

  9. An ethnical prosecutor would ask the person about inconsistencies or contradictions and give them a chance to correct or amend their statement. They would only charge them with perjury if it was a deliberate attempt to mislead or cover up something.

    Dershowitz has been describing what Mueller’s team is doing as “perjury traps”. They question a lot of people at length. Then they comb through all the other interviews, records, etc looking for any inconsistencies or contradictions no matter how unintentional or insignificant. Then they charge the person with perjury. Once they’ve charged someone with perjury, they threaten them with years in prison unless they incriminate others. Veracity and innocence has nothing to do with it. Just the fact that someone they’ve squeezed implicates someone else is enough to expand the investigation, get warrants and charge them as well. Basically, they’re cooking up specious perjury charges and threatening people with years in prison unless they incriminate others. Most people would plead guilty and falsely incriminate others to avoid spending 10 years in prison on cooked-up perjury charges.

    I ask myself what I would do in that situation. I might plead guilty or incriminate others if it was some minor “slap on the wrist” thing that wasn’t worth the hassle. But I wouldn’t allow myself to be bullied into pleading guilty or incriminating others of something serious if we were innocent. I don’t think much of anyone who would. The prospect of years in prison may be scary but the selfishness and cowardice of incriminating innocent people is unforgivable. Bearing false witness violates one of the 10 Commandments. I’m not religious but I find what Mueller’s team is doing very offensive.

    destructure

    January 25, 2019 at 2:09 PM

    • If these are innocent lapses in memory, defendants can take that argument to a jury.

      Vince

      January 25, 2019 at 2:38 PM

      • Idiot Vince,not everyone is a billionaire, they run out of money to defend themselves and Mueller has endless taxpayer money, he never runs out. And this is ALL political, they take these cases to a jury in the DC suburbs where 93% of people voted for Hillary and hate Trump. No chance of a fair trial. Your argument is Mueller can frame people, bankrupt them, threaten family members like they did with war hero General Flynn and it’s all okay because you hate Trump.

        JimBonobo

        January 25, 2019 at 4:03 PM

      • Stone, Manafort, Cohen, Gates, Corsi, Trump… these are all rich guys.

        Vince

        January 25, 2019 at 7:10 PM

      • Furthermore, if Trump weren’t tangentially involved, do you really think the FBI would be busting out SWAT teams and arresting people for disputes over whether they communicated over phone or by text in an investigation where they determined there was no underlying crime anyway!

        PerezHBD

        January 26, 2019 at 2:37 PM

      • Even most rich people don’t have enough money to fund that kind of legal team for as many years as this will drag on. Nor should they have to.

        destructure

        January 26, 2019 at 5:15 PM

      • I’m sure they can get a loan and can work out an arrangement with local grocers.

        Vince

        January 26, 2019 at 10:00 PM

    • This is not a perjury trap. This is suborning perjury. This means Mueller is threatening people unless they lie about the crimes committed by others.

      map

      January 25, 2019 at 9:00 PM

  10. Stone and Manafort have been swamp creatures for decades. They were lobbyists for third world dictators, for the love of God. This is why it was always incredibly risky to nominate a notoriously corrupt New York real estate developer like Trump for President. Trump has been linked publicly to Italian and Russian organized crime bosses repeatedly over the past 40 years (i.e. http://www.madcowprod.com/2008/06/26/trump-mansion-sold-to-mobsters-sans-frontieres/).

    No candidate in modern history has been as obvious a target for criminal investigation. He walked into the White House with a giant target on his back. What did he expect? Imagine if Al Sharpton had managed to become President on some lefty populist program, the Republicans would have torn him down the same way. The fact that conservatives rallied to Trump’s standard is unfortunately probably evidence that there is no longer a viable “conservative movement” in the traditional sense in the US. In a perfect world maybe Gregory Cochran would be President, but not in this world.

    Peter Akuleyev

    January 25, 2019 at 4:11 PM

    • Donald Trump can’t control who bought his property, he has a responsibility to other investors to sell to the highest bidder. We should look into who paid Bill and Hillary for those expensive speeches.

      This meme about Trump being “crooked” only happened after he became a politician. When he was just a publicity-craving rich guy, no one said that about him. I always had a positive impression of Trump, until he got involved in Obama’s birth certificate fiasco, and then I thought he was a bozo.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 25, 2019 at 4:56 PM

      • Trump has to be the cleanest politician in Washington. The entire world, Mueller, Democrats, the media, even the Republican establishment have been desperately trying to find crimes or scandals to bring down Trump for THREE YEARS now and they got jack squat. He used his own money to pay off a bimbo? who cares? Russia collusion has been a total bust. Firing incompetent and corrupt blowhard Comey was long overdue, he should have been canned on day 1.

        But..but…the EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE, yeah that’s the ticket. They got nothing.

        JimBonobo

        January 25, 2019 at 6:03 PM

    • “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” – Soviet NKVD

      redarmyvodka

      January 25, 2019 at 6:33 PM

    • “Stone and Manafort have been swamp creatures for decades. They were lobbyists for third world dictators, for the love of God.”

      Stone and Manafort are no more crooked than anyone else in Washington. Regardless, I’m tired of all this guilt by association horse shit. Mueller is going after people connected to Trump. But he hasn’t indicted anyone for anything connected to Trump. He’s simply trying to squeeze people into making false statements he can use to charge Trump with perjury, obstruction, etc.

      “This is why it was always incredibly risky to nominate a notoriously corrupt New York real estate developer like Trump for President.”

      If Trump is so “notoriously corrupt” then why hasn’t Mueller been able to find something in almost 2 years of investigations? And what, specifically, has Trump done that was corrupt? I had assumed Trump must have done a few shady things over the years, too. But if this investigation has convinced me anything it’s that Trump was incredibly honest. Otherwise, they would have found something on him long ago. This investigation has also convinced me of one more thing — how corrupt and out of control the deep state is. Democracy is a fraud.

      destructure

      January 25, 2019 at 7:03 PM

    • Hopefully, the cuckservative movement is dead.

      map

      January 25, 2019 at 8:55 PM

  11. “There’s absolutely nothing in this indictment about real crimes committed with respect to Donald Trump’s campaign.”

    Lying under oath to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction are real crimes. He was not charged with collusion, which is actually not a crime anyway or conspiracy.

    The question is why was Stone lying under oath to Congress? What was he trying to keep secret?

    That is why people are charged with these process crimes. To get them to co-operate and tell prosecutors what they were trying to avoid revealing.

    MikeCA

    January 25, 2019 at 4:18 PM

    • “Lying under oath to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction are real crimes.”

      No they are process crimes.

      And Bill Clinton committed perjury, and that wasn’t just a he-said she-said type of perjury, they had the semen-stained dress to prove beyond doubt that he was lying.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 25, 2019 at 4:57 PM

      • It’s obvious that this is a partisan witch hunt/cover-up/soft coup against the President. Only total idiots believe in the Russia collusion nonsense. The whole thing was based on a political dirty trick paid for by the Clintons. They paid millions to Democrat law firm Perkins Coie who hired oppo research firm Fusion GPS to create the dirty dossier and then shopped it around to the media and to Dem operatives in Obama’s Justice Dept. and FBI. The ENTIRE Mueller investigation is a scam. If we had a decent AG he would shut it down. If we had an honest, courageous federal judge he would dismiss all charges. The system is a joke. Either patriots get angry enough to imitate the Yellow Vest protesters or we will all be living under a left wing dictatorship.

        JimBonobo

        January 25, 2019 at 5:57 PM

      • We know what Bill Clinton was trying to keep secret by lying under oath in a deposition.

        What was Roger Stone trying to keep secret by lying to Congress?

        MikeCA

        January 25, 2019 at 6:41 PM

      • I don’t know, mike. What was he trying to keep secret? I’ll bet it was something illegal that Dems could use to impeach Trump, right? Right??? Or maybe he just forgot about an email. Can you remember every email you sent 2 years ago? No??? I wonder what you’re trying to cover up. Hmmmm….

        destructure

        January 25, 2019 at 7:23 PM

      • “Or maybe he just forgot about an email.”

        On September 26, 2017 Stone testified to the House Intelligence Committee that he had only spoken to Randy Credico, who he describes as an intermediary with Assange, by phone. He claims to have never exchanged text messages with Credico. Stone and Credico regularly exchanged text messages during August – October 2016. On the day of his testimony Stone and Credico exchanged more than 30 text messages.

        This is not a case of forgetting an old email he once sent. Stone just flat out lied.

        MikeCA

        January 26, 2019 at 10:35 AM

    • The problem is that Stone is accused of lying before a House committee whose testimony is secret. None of us can actually review what was said in front of that committee. Furthermore, if the committee had a problem with Stone and his “lying” why didn’t they have him arrested and charged? Congress has the power to do that.

      What we have here is merely Mueller’s opinion of what is a lie, not anything substantiated as a lie. With Clinton, as Lion mentions, there was an actual piece of physical evidence contradicting his story and that evidence was publicly available.

      map

      January 25, 2019 at 8:20 PM

      • As I indicated above, Stone testified to the House Intelligence Committee that he only spoke to Randy Credico by phone and never exchanged text messages with him. On the day he testified alone, Stone and Credico exchanged more than 30 text messages.

        Mueller has all those text messages. This is a open and shut case of perjury. Stone was trying to hide those text messages.

        MikeCA

        January 26, 2019 at 10:42 AM

      • If you have access to phones, then you have access to texts.

        Your phone number and your text number is the same.

        map

        January 26, 2019 at 3:40 PM

      • Text messages and phone messages have the same number.

        Phone records will yield text messages.

        map

        January 26, 2019 at 3:42 PM

      • “Stone just flat out lied.”

        Good. I hope Trump pardons him. Why should Dems be the only ones to get away with lying?

        destructure

        January 26, 2019 at 5:04 PM

    • In mob circles, “witness tampering” means threatening or bribing a witness.

      Who did Stone threaten or bribe?

      map

      January 26, 2019 at 8:05 AM

      • The person is thought to be Randy Credico. He urged Credico to to lie to Congress and not to cooperate with FBI investigators. Stone wanted Credico to tell Congress lies that supported the lies Stone told Congress.

        MikeCA

        January 26, 2019 at 3:11 PM

      • “He urged Credico to to lie to Congress”

        And Vince Foster was rubbed out by the Clintons.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 26, 2019 at 8:11 PM

  12. Liberals like MikeCA have zero principles. You know if the establishment/deep state was doing this to Democrats he’d be saying the EXACT opposite things that he says now. Zero principles, zero integrity, just a pure partisan hack. Mueller is running a scam, a coverup of Obama administration crimes that is also an attempt to create oppo research for the Democrats, weaken Trump and scare other people from taking on the establishment. No honest, patriotic American should support this.

    JimBonobo

    January 25, 2019 at 7:03 PM

    • JimBonobo just took the words right out of my mouth. 100%

      destructure

      January 26, 2019 at 5:17 PM

    • “Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

      MikeCA

      January 27, 2019 at 2:10 AM

  13. MEH 0910

    January 25, 2019 at 11:05 PM

    • If Trump don’t pardon him, he will sing and compose and thunder, were it possible, faster than a lightning bolt

      Bruno

      January 27, 2019 at 11:33 AM


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