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Greece and out-of-wedlock births

Greece has the lowest rate of out-of-wedlock births in the EU. 9.4% in 2016.

Greece has least gender equality in the EU.

Once again, we see that out-of-wedlock births are highly correlated with gender equality.

Religion-wise, Greece is heavily into Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

Posted in Males and Females

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  1. Yes, but 90% of babies are born with full uni-brow.

    Tired Employee in Need of Some Tacos Very Soon

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  2. Then wassup with Russia? Something like half of the female population there has had an abortion. Is it because of their communism?

    And I’ve heard that abortion is worse in Japan than the official stats show. Some data shows as high as 20% of Jap females have aborted a fetus at some point.

    GondwanaMan

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • In Russia they have cavalier attitude to birth control.

      Yakov

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Does this involve vodka?

        Rosenmops

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • In Russia they have a cavalier attitude.

        gothamette

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @Rosenmops

        What involves vodka? Abortion is a form of contraception on Russia.

        Yakov

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

    • Russian family life was thrown into decades of chaos by insane male mortality rates during WWI, Civil War, and WWII. They’re arguably still recovering from the disaster of the early 20th century. There was basically state sanctioned polygamy in the 50s and 60s.

      bobbybobbob

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • > as high as 20% of Jap females have aborted a fetus at some point.

      People don’t get how different the attitude to life is in east asian countries. In Japan every year there is a big problem with abandoned dogs. People get lap dogs around new year, and then a few months later decide they’re way too much hassle. So they just leave them out on the street. Tokyo is also probably the child porn capital of the world. It’s all done with foreigners, so the authorities don’t care and take bribes.

      bobbybobbob

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • But Cat things this is the best hat humanity is capable off. As close to the ideal as possible, right cat?

        Yakov

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

    • Russia is not a religious country. The fastest growing religion is Islam. Russian women are far more “equal” than women in Greece. For the most part Russian women are forced to fend for themselves because Russian men are often dysfunctional. If you ever do due diligence on a Russian business you will usually find a woman “buchgalter” (chief accountant) and she will be the one who actually knows what’s going on. Russian men in leadership positions (especially in state owned businesses) are often braggarts and loud, but useless.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

    • Birth control was rarely available in the Soviet Union. Abortion took its place.

      Matt

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

      • Don’t make me laugh now! We as kids found plenty of used condoms on the streets and outside people’s windows and that was in the 60s and 70s. What’s the problem today?

        Yakov

        February 10, 2019 at EDT pm

  3. would be interesting to see the religious affiliation (or that of one’s parents or grandparents) vs bastardy plot in america, canada, australia…my guess is gender equality is almost all of the cause (of bastardy)…that is, so far as religion doesn’t influence gender equality, which it may a little.

    charles murray's black husband

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. Bulgaria is also into Orthodoxy (although maybe not as much as Greece), but it is doing quite badly. I also suspect that Romania, the other major Orthodox EU country, is a lot closer to Bulgaria than to Greece in this regard. And while Bulgaria might have a bit more gender equality than Greece, it is certainly not something for which the country is well-known.

    PrinzEugen

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Bulgaria is also Slavic, if one thinks of Slavs as culturally or intellectually, untermensch.

      No one thinks highly of Slavs when it comes to Europeans.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I think highly of them because Slavic women are the most attractive to me.

        Jay Fink

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

      • Well, Bulgarians have something going for them. As a mean measure, the Bulgarians are the best looking race on earth. They counts for something.

        Daniel Heneghan

        February 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Bulgaria was run over by the Turks and then run over by the Communists. That country is a mess. I have met quite a few brilliant Bulgarians, but all of them live abroad.

      (Also, Bulgarians speak a Slavic language, but genetically I would guess they are much more closely related to Greeks and Turks than they are to Poles or Belarussians (the purest Slavs). Anyone know?

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

  5. Gender equality, i.e., WEIRDness.

    JayMan

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • This presumes that the rise in out of wedlock births in WEIRD countries corresponds to monogamous lifelong pair bonding, just without the formal customs of marriage. That’s probably not the case. There’s probably greater gender inequality now, along with greater intra-gender inequality.

      Tom

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. Off topic:

    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2019/02/07/davis-marks-evil-is-banal/

    We are DONE

    We are not going to take your junk anymore

    Jerry Corn

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. [Once again, we see that out-of-wedlock births are highly correlated with gender equality.]

    Or, shotgun wedding pressure is highly correlated with gender inequality.

    toomanymice

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  8. well it was my challenge and you met it, but I wonder if some of these definitions are reflective rather than casual…

    “In terms of time: In this section, gender inequalities are measured in the distribution of time devoted to care and domestic work and social activities. Here Greece scored 44.7 compared to an average of 65.7 in the EU.

    It seems to me that if you are going to have in-wedlock births then necessarily you are going to have women devote more time to “domestic activates” (ie child rearing)

    Likewise, woman who are raising children in wedlock are more likely to be at home taking care of their children not in full time employment and hence these two categories will be elevated:

    “In the workplace: The extent to which women and men can benefit from equal access to employment and good working conditions. Greece scored 64.2 compared to an average of 71.5 in the EU.

    Money sector: Here, gender inequalities in access to financial resources and the economic situation of women and men are measured. Greece achieved a score of 70.7 compared to a 79.6 average in the EU.”

    Lion of the Turambar

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • It’s a complicated issue, and you raise some good points.

      I don’t have time to think about it now, but I’ll something that I don’t think has been mentioned and probably relates. Monogamy is not an expression of equality between the sexes; it’s an expression of equality among men. In a state of nature, greater inequality among men leads to more polygamy. In the case of female-to-male equality, as others have noted, the man’s provider status is relatively superfluous: If a woman can generate her own income (or rely on the welfare state), then she need not marry a relatively low-status man.

      There are so many confounding variables, but I’ve got to believe female hypergamy plays an important role. The Scandinavian countries are known for their relative equality, but having a child out of wedlock is not nearly as burdensome for a wealthy man in Sweden vs. the Untied States. Blacks having children out of wedlock is routinely blamed on a “degenerate culture,” but certainly one of the drivers is that Black men don’t NEED to marry. With so many Black men imprisoned, the ratios work to their favor (especially since not a lot of non-Black men seek Black women). When presented with the option of not having children, or having children out of wedlock, most females, regardless of race, will choose to breed. In a sexual free market, most men will not breed, and indeed, two-thirds of our ancestors are female.

      Vince

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • A stupid definition of gender equality. Gender equality should be defined by the laws of the country (do they treat people equally), not by the choices individual people make.

      chris

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

      • yes but it is really typical of the current trend of defining statistics in such a way that you can then use what sounds like a neutral statistic to buttress some partisan argument.

        Like the whole Gross National Happiness instead of GDP scam

        Lion of the Turambar

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

  9. Greece’s fertility rate is well below replacement. In 100 years, there will hardly be any Greeks.

    Half Canadian

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • There will be plenty of Greeks a hundred years from now. They’ll just be African. You don’t think that territory is just going to sit empty do you?

      Mike Street Station

      February 9, 2019 at EDT am

  10. What’s bizarre is that out of wedlock birth is proven to be linked to low status, low IQ, low social involvement and still it is seen as a sign of a progressive society where individuals can thrive.

    Bruno

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. Greece and Japan both have very low birthrates, well below replacement. So they still have a crisis.

    Dan

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • You know this, but let me say it again. It’s only a crisis if they make it one make it one by letting foreigners immigrate permanently, and lay claim to resources that would have supported future native Japanese and Greek births.

      How many more founding stock Americans would there be today if there had never been a push starting from the 1960s to let in more people of color from around the world? Immigration into developed nations is literally letting foreigners cuckhold the natives in small degrees: use their resources, past and present labor, to bear and raise other’s children.

      Lowe

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

  12. Iceland, Turkey, Greece… Who cares? Pick something that people know and can argue about.

    My 2¢

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. Take a look at Israel’s stats. The only European country (yes, Turkey and Israel are European) with a lower rate of out of wedlock births is Turkey. Israel is a prole country. Proles should look for some guidance towards Israel.

    https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide

    Daniel Heneghan

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Don’t make me laugh now! Apples and pineapples again. Israel has a huge religious population and close to 20% Muslim. What European country has anything close to this? But yes, they should look for guidance in some somethings.

      Yakov

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

      • Low out of wedlock birth rate. 20% Muslim. I guess honor killings are good for something.

        Wonder what the out of wedlock birth rate in Kiryas Joel is?

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

      • Don’t make me laugh now! Zero, obviously.

        Yakov

        February 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  14. Reposting this.

    According to this website (and it’s from Yale, so we have to believe it, right) Iceland has had a high rate of out of wedlock births for quite a while. As far back as 1964, approximately 25% of births were to unwed mothers. Might be just a real Icelandic thing. More distressing is the increase in the formerly continent cultures of Europe. Just look at the embedded chart on the link. Compared to the small percentage of out of wedlock births in 1964, all the European nations have run off the skids as far as sexual continence goes. I blame the Beatles.

    Interestingly, Israel has a very low rate of out of wedlock births. I understand that approximately half the population is Jewish orthodox in some sense, but about half is secular, yet prole Israel hasn’t gone off the skids (yet).

    https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide

    Daniel Heneghan

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  15. Off topic, John Derbyshire mentions and quotes Half Sigma’s classic “Why a Career in Computer Programming Sucks.¨

    https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2019-02-01.html

    I’m not sure that Derbyshire understands the “Learn to Code” meme though.

    Steverino@Steverino.com

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  16. Very low OOW births in Israel and South Korea as well. Correlate that!!

    gothamette

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Don’t bring shame on your family gothamette.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

  17. Off topic, it’s amazing how fast things disappear down the memory hole. Already the Chicago race attack hoax is forgotten. There will be no follow-up. We will never learn the details of the real story, even in the unlikely event that it did happen. NEXT!

    Philly

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  18. Lion, if you haven’t, you need to read America Alone by Mark Steyn.

    njguy73

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  19. I wonder if Greece doesn’t have a welfare state for unwed mothers?

    Jay Fink

    February 8, 2019 at EDT am

  20. Another issue brought about by sexual liberation, which someone alluded to in one of the previous posts, is the dearth of white babies available for adoption. I wonder if the current non-white adoption craze among Goodthinking whites ever would have happened if it had not been for that? In the past, if some college girl accidentally got pregnant, she’d give the baby up for adoption. Now, if she’s SWPL she gets an abortion, while if she’s prole she just keeps the baby and raises it as a single mother (with plenty of governmental, i.e. funded by taxes paid by hard-working beta males, support.)

    Hermes

    February 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  21. O/t – but speaking of a nation in the EU which is very different from Grease, with its implementation of BI (Basic Income).

    Test of Finland’s basic income: It creates happiness but not jobs

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/test-of-finlands-basic-income-it-creates-happiness-but-not-jobs/ar-BBTk2k4?li=BBnb7Kz

    What does this mean?

    No-strings-attached, supplemental income is very different from unemployment benefits which is taxable, temporary and can’t be drawn for the days worked.

    “Proponents say it can empower people to start new businesses, knowing that they would continue to receive monthly income no matter how well their new venture does. It can also encourage people to try a new job without the fear of losing their unemployment checks or having to go through the paperwork of reapplying for benefits.

    In the Finnish experiment, the basic income is below what unemployment benefits pay, which is 32.40 euros a day, or almost 1,000 euros ($1,135) a month — subject to income tax of about 30 percent. The basic income is tax free, but barely enough to live on for someone paying rent, so it keeps pressure on the recipients to join the work force.

    Minna Ylikanno, a researcher with Kela, said the basic income recipients appeared less stressed, healthier and more confident in the future than a 5,000-member control group of unemployment benefits recipients”

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    February 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  22. It’s really hard to get pregnant from anal sex

    Al

    February 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  23. You do understand that having kids out of wedlock isn’t bad in and of itself, just that it selects for certain traits, right? All those single mothers whose children are doing badly, their kids wouldn’t do better if they married their baby daddies and stayed married. You’d just skew the stats in the other direction. And frankly, there are a lot of smart white women out there who it’d be in the country’s best interests to pay to have children with a selection of specially chosen (smart) sperm if they can’t get a quality man.

    The religious right bullshit is destroying the country and torpedoing the birthrates.

    Jesse

    February 9, 2019 at EDT am

    • Video games and the internet is what torpedoes birthrates in developed countries. The situation is made worse by allowing third worlders to immigrate and thus take up resources that might have gone to native children. Particularly taking up rental properties and homes in low and middle class areas.

      The religious right has little to do with those trends. You are also wrong about low class kids being unaffected by not having present fathers. Nurture or the lack of it has an effect on people. You don’t have to adopt your worldview wholesale from Greg Cochran.

      Lowe

      February 10, 2019 at EDT am

      • “Video games and the internet is what torpedoes birthrates in developed countries

        Or women don’t need men in developed countries, so men use their free time to play videogames instead of supporting women.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 10, 2019 at EDT am

      • Okay, technology broadly then. Computers, automation, and entertainment media. My point is that religion right bullshit isn’t the cause; the cause is a social and technological effect which shows up everywhere.

        We’re only making things worse for ourselves and our descendants by letting the demographic spillover of the third world into our country. Eventually the reproductive slow down will hit those places too, but not before the demographic make up of the West is changed forever.

        Lately I have wondered whether it is worth it to care, whether western civilization and the white people of the world are worth caring about. I’m leaning toward no.

        For you things may be different. The decline in the West is slow, and not all unpleasant, but if all the strength is sapped from the West, Israel could be conquered outright one day. I don’t know how you feel about that. I know you already know this, just pointing it out.

        Lowe

        February 10, 2019 at EDT am

      • By the time this happens, Israel will have 15-20 million Jews, take most Nobel prizes in science and be in a better position then ever before. Time is on Israel’s side.

        Incidentally, my nephew from Israel just had his computer science book published in Japanese. How many Muslims have accomplished this? He had written it in English, obviously.

        As far as the Western European nations are concerned, they are facing genocide and fascism is the only answer. Nothing else will save these poor countries.

        Yakov

        February 10, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The religious right is no longer critical of unwed mothers. They are obsessed with one issue… abortion. They like out of wedlock births because they are births not abortions.

      Jay Fink

      February 10, 2019 at EDT am

      • I don’t buy the idea that the religious right has any agency in this matter. Their acceptance of single motherhood is mostly an effect, not a cause.

        Lowe

        February 10, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Since Jesse thinks it’s OK for kids to grow up without a father, I wonder: would he give up his own father to prove the point? And if he would do it now, would he have done it as a child?

      Having a high IQ is important in life, but it isn’t all there is. People can’t learn and reason themselves into maturity. But as long as we think that high IQ and socioeconomic status are all that matter, why not do away with mothers also? After all, does the mere presence of a mother in a child’s life matter? Why not just raise children in boarding schools run by well-educated geniuses?

      I will agree with him on one thing, though. It is true that a lot of fatherless children wouldn’t be better of if their father magically appeared in their lives or even lived in their household with them all of a sudden. That’s because a lot of those men are awfully irresponsible and would probably not even try to be good fathers. But I do think most of these children would have been better if their fathers had been in their life from the start and however imperfect they were, at least made a serious attempt to be good fathers. Most kids love their parents and forgive a decent parent many sins and foibles. The fact that most men are not Dads out of a 1950’s sitcom doesn’t mean that fathers are superfluous.

      maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      February 10, 2019 at EDT pm

  24. Yakov, when you say that it will take fascism to save the western world, do you mean from the right rather than from the left?

    Oden's Raven

    February 11, 2019 at EDT pm


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