Lion of the Blogosphere

The end of marriage

In Iceland, in 2017, 71.2% of children were born to unwed mothers.

It’s no coincidence that Iceland ranks first in gender equality, plus Iceland has generous social benefits. When men are longer necessary (from the perspective of supporting women’s children), we see that the practice of marriage comes to an end.

The destruction of traditional family values is not caused by liberal abortion laws. Iceland’s abortion laws are actually ranked as more strict than most other developed countries. Technically, abortion on demand is not legal in Iceland as it is in the United States.

Nor is destruction of family values caused by non-whites. Iceland is one of the world’s whitest countries.

In the United States, in 2016, only 28.5% of white births were to unwed mothers. (And 12% for Asians, 52.6% for Hispanics, 69.8% for blacks.)

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 7, 2019 at EDT am

Posted in Males and Females

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  1. Seems like you’ve tossed a couple of strawmen in there. I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing that either non whites or abortion is what threatens marriage.

    Mike Street Station

    February 7, 2019 at EDT am

    • “I don’t think anyone is seriously arguing that either non whites or abortion is what threatens marriage.”

      In comment sections of right-wing blogs, they do argue that.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 7, 2019 at EDT am

      • Hmmm….Mike caused me to re-read the post and I do think that the non-white argument is a strawman.

        Boomer conservatives like the NatRev, Gateway crowd do not blame the destruction of marriage on non-whites. They claim that non-whites are victims of this shadowy thing called “liberalism,” which they never define.

        And in alt-right sites, it’s the Jews (blame “the Jews” for everything).

        Somehow they’ll find a way to blame Nordic gender neutrality on “the Jews.”

        But the NatRev crowd does cite abortion as a cause of the decline of marriage.

        BTW, in Japan, which increasingly strikes me as close to an ideal society (yeah, I know about the Yakuza and the porn addiction, just saying it’s close to ideal), abortion laws are pretty strict, but a woman can easily get an abortion by claiming medical necessity, and a doctor will back her up. I really think that is the wise way to go. Disapprove, regulate, and allow.

        gothamette

        February 7, 2019 at EDT am

      • I read a lot of right wing blogs. Most of the blame is on the ability of women to completely blow up the marriage for no reason and 35% of them actually doing it. (70%, the percentage of divorces initiated by women x 50% the divorce rate) Even if I use the more favorable 41% of first marriages that still is a 28% chance of a woman taking half my shit. No thanks.

        everybodyhatesscott

        February 7, 2019 at EDT am

      • And yet, in the US, marriage continues to be most popular amongst white, hi-IQ women, who are the ones least likely to need that support. And least popular amongst low-IQ blacks who, incidentally, are the ones who (still) most need the support of men.

        Funny, that.

        Ah well, so much for that theory. Let’s just stipulate that Iceland is an anomaly, that no generalizations can be made from that peculiar island, and move on.

        Maybe try reading “Coming Apart” for inspiration.

        gda53

        February 7, 2019 at EDT am

      • @gda:

        Lion’s argument is basically right in the long run; societies where women can provide for themselves tend to be “matrilocal”, with weak marriages, women bearing the children of multiple fathers, and fathers providing little care to their children, whose paternity is always dubious.

        This describes the situation in the ghetto, whose inhabitants are really just recreating historical African conditions. And while poor, it is the case that a single woman can now provide for any number of children, with the aid of Uncle Sam.

        But it only partly describes the situation at this time in most white societies where marriage has largely broken down. Single mothers are essentially living a matrilocal existence, but there are also people (and I think this is now the norm in much of Europe) who essentially live as husband and wife, even raising children together, but choose not to become legally married. This is a separate phenomenon.

        There is probably a genetic propensity towards relatively long-term monogamy that evolved in societies where this was beneficial. So even if the economics behind it are no longer there, and the legal construct of marriage is no longer seen as beneficial for most people, the genes remain.

        Wency

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • charles murray is a moron. and abortions per live birth reached a peak in 1984. now they’re half what they were then.

        charles murray's black husband

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @Wency

        Well, let’s be a bit more specific and say “SUB-SAHARAN AND OTHER LOW-IQ societies where women can provide for themselves tend to be “matrilocal”, with weak marriages, women bearing the children of multiple fathers, and fathers providing little care to their children, whose paternity is always dubious.”

        That seems more accurate. I do not see where the same applies to most hi-IQ societies, the evidence is not there (at least that I have seen).

        The evidence does point overwhelmingly to the determined and continuing attempt by the left to replace the family unit as THE unifying force and cornerstone of society with a type of “individualism” dictated and promulgated by the state. So it’s not happening just organically, so to speak. And of course, there are other compounding factors.

        To the left, a household consisting of an adult male and female —— united in matrimony —— and their offspring is an antiquated, repressive institution standing in the way of constructing a ‘better,’ more egalitarian world. (see Marx & Engels et al).

        Your conclusion that “Lion’s argument is basically right in the long run” seems to willingly accept that bleak “egalitarian” future as inevitable.

        “There is probably a genetic propensity towards relatively long-term monogamy that evolved in societies where this was beneficial.”—— Agreed, and lets not discount the compelling genetic element by waving our hands and claiming that all of a sudden we can implement some cockamamy egalitarian theory, which. like numerous other intellectual fads and fashions, has managed to seep into the larger culture, and expect it to work.

        In case we forget, this breakup of the nuclear family has been tried before, when Israel’s socialist kibbutzim settlements took children from their parents and tried raising them collectively. How did that little experiment fare? Not too well, obviously, since it has been almost completely abandoned.

        “….there are also people (and I think this is now the norm in much of Europe) who essentially live as husband and wife, even raising children together, but choose not to become legally married.This is a separate phenomenon.” —— Separate phenomenon? I don’t think so. A nuclear family by any other name would smell as sweet……

        Genetics will overcome – regardless if the left still thinks they can change human nature. They can’t, but they will happily destroy countless families, and ruin the lives of countless others who will never know the joy of family, because their ideology tells them to do so.

        Not my family though.

        gda53

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @Everybodyhatesscott Could you please reword your comment, I’m not completely sure what you’re saying.

        You are saying that right leaning men are blaming women for divorce should it occur? Most places have no fault divorce now so how can you tell who is responsible?

        What does “taking half the shit” mean?

        I follow some right wing Youtubers and anti-woman comments are rife (I’m female), It’s so bad I’ve stopped following some of them,

        I’m trying to understand this animosity. Is it due to obnoxious feminists?

        Another strange prejudice is blaming “boomers” for all the trouble in the world. I’m baffled. (I’m also a boomer.). I’m unclear where this came from. Any ideas?

        Frau Katze

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @Frau Katze:
        What does “taking half the shit” mean?

        What it says on the tin. Women want to divorce men and then feel entitled to (a) the children, and (b) half of the man’s wealth.
        Why should a “strong independent woman” be entitled to half a man’s wealth? Is there any other sort of contractual legal agreement where you can enter into an agreement with another party, then break the contract and the state will step in and enforce that the party choosing to renege on the contract is owed half of the other party’s money?

        Even the doctrine that the mother should have the children is really quite ill-founded. By the time a child is past early childhood they are often beyond the need for direct mothering and should probably be situated based on who would be better able to provide for the child.

        “I’m trying to understand this animosity. Is it due to obnoxious feminists?”

        It’s due to the deep societal unfairness that is caused by feminism in addition to the built-in biological favoritism that women enjoy over men. If getting married is equivalent to signing yourself up for indentured servitude, well, no one on the servant end of that would really feel too happy, would they? Supposedly we eliminated slavery in the 19th century, but around comes a woman who cries and all of a sudden Big Brother Government is here to put the shackles on the man? Alimony is slavery, pure and simple. And child support and custody in the court system is a joke used to ruin mens’ lives.

        Beyond that we’ve had something like 70 years (or more) of non-stop feminist propaganda whereby women claimed all of the privileges of men but none of the responsibilities. It’s not even acceptable anymore to acknowledge basic realities about sex differences, or for men to have their own thoughts or interests that aren’t dominated by pro-women propaganda (see the hate for PUAs, video games, etc.). Society is being driven by a non-stop circlejerk of female empowerment for middling accomplishments while denigrating the actual achievements of men. This is all a feedback loop as well, so the more men are set upon the greater the burden they shoulder.

        Panther of the Blogosphere

        February 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @Panther Thanks. Yes, I think this what is causing the animosity. But this situation has been like this for many decades now and I did not hear these complaints much before the internet.

        Perhaps I just didn’t travel in the right circles. I recall a female friend who had made money in real estate complaining about having to give half of it to her ex-husband who was one of the guys that was a perpetual student. They drag on graduate school for just ages.

        In fact my ex was a perpetual student too and I received no child support till they were nearly grown up. I personally don’t know any women who have cleaned up from divorce. The perpetual student doesn’t have many assets.

        So neither of those guys could complain.

        While there were feminists back in the day too, the current crop do seem worse.

        Frau Katze

        February 9, 2019 at EDT pm

  2. “The destruction of traditional family values is not caused by liberal abortion laws.”

    I’m not good at responding to non sequiturs before my 3rd coffee of the day.

    By the way, having had a dyke as their leader from 2009 to 2012 probably didn’t help Iceland’s situation.

    Armando

    February 7, 2019 at EDT am

  3. Iceland is white trash writ large, so what? Iceland also has an opioid problem. Strong matriarchal authority and lots of welfare is something associated with the ghetto. Their economy is a tourist economy.

    The big books on marriage emphasize how the differences sit on class faults, not necessarily racial ones. 12% Asian single moms is still a lot.

    Monsieur le Baron

    February 7, 2019 at EDT am

  4. 58% were born to cohabiting couples, so maybe they r just eshewing the institution of marriage ?

    Yakov

    February 7, 2019 at EDT am

    • Lion is trolling here. The single parent rate is less than 15% in Iceland which is quite low. The real question is why aren’t parents marrying in Iceland (I have no idea why).

      toomanymice

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Many baby mommas shack up here in the states too. The stability rates of cohabitation both here and across the pond are quite low.

        Monsieur le Baron

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Scandinavian countries now have a bunch of strict laws for co-habitating couples that make it a legal bond comparable to marriage. If you’ve co-habited once, it’s not very easy to get the state to cancel that status, actually at this point it’s probably easier to get a divorce so co-habitation is actually the stronger bond.

        This is not optional. If you’re living together the state will find out (it is obligatory to register your residence and living arrangement with the state) and they will force the obligations of a couple on you. It is almost impossible to convince the state that you’re not a couple if you’re living together and if you have a child it’s literally impossible. Scandinavian socialists have ended up producing a system that’s pretty much identical to what a puritan theocracy would invent except the legal bond they force on couples is just not called marriage.

        Clueless foreign social conservatives will of course predict apocalypse from stats like this as if Scandinavians have started to act like blacks. No, the Christian institutions are dead, but there are now other institutions. There’s no reason to lament the death of Lutheran state churches as they’re so left-wing that at this point rejecting their institutions is the right-wing choice. Why go for marriage when co-habitation has the same legal stuff without the involvement of some transsexual priest who will preach about welcoming Muslims?

        Jaakko Raipala

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • baron, if these were casual and transitory shacking up arrangements we would see higher single parent rates since the former group would be in a constant state of flux.

        toomanymice

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • In Norway, 17% of high education cohabitators split up by the time their child is 12. Only 8% of the married split. We must caution ourselves and remember that married couples around the world tend to come from a higher social class, so the effect is not just marriage vs cohabitation. But there does appear to be a difference.

        Monsieur le Baron

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @Jaakko BC in Canada also recently passed laws making cohabitation the same as marriage. I only know about it because my son and his woman have been together for years without marriage and have two children. They both have his surname. They seem completely happy AFAIK.

        The reason for this is my son’s doing: he was married (for a short time and without children) to someone else when he met woman #2. That made immediate marriage impossible. I have no idea why they haven’t married despite all these years and don’t like to inquire in case I sound interfering.

        They’re for all intents and purposes the same as a married couple, but would his “wife” show up on statistical reports as a single mother?

        Frau Katze

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  5. Iceland is representative of the global European population stock to about the same degree as Tribeca is representative of all Americans.

    Armando

    February 7, 2019 at EDT am

  6. Religosity is correlated with marriage rates. It’s why the Eastern European countries (specifically Russia) still have relatively stable families compared to the West: Communism forced people to take refuge in religion, so the religions are not in the advanced state of cuckery as they are in the West, although there are signs they are heading that way.

    Red pill aspie

    February 7, 2019 at EDT am

    • What are you talking about?

      Russia has a very high divorce rate:
      https://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/russia-divorce-rate/

      Church in Russia?
      According to this, church attendance in Russia is dead last among all the world countries on the list.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_attendance#Attendance_by_country

      Mail order Russian brides to the West have been a thing since I was in high school 20 some years ago. I mean, isn’t that the very definition of cuckery, at least from the perspective of a Russian man?

      Dan

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • However, mail order brides to the West do more harm to the West than to Russia. This is how Russia spreads its influence. This is basically how most people in the world came to be Indo-European. It started in what is now Russia few thousand years ago and still slowly digests all surroundings.

        My 2¢

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I might be confusing him with someone else but Dan is a Russophobe. Make no mistake behind every anti-communist is a Russophobe. He grew up in central Europe during the Cold War in Austria a country previously conquered during WW2 but given independence by the USSR. However the threat of Soviet artillery bombardment, tank warfare, and helicopter gunships invading his country again remained. He’s still bitter and his comments to a large degree reflect that.

        The Russian Weimar Republic period is over Dan and the only people who hate Putin are Russia’s domestic and foreign enemies.

        redarmyvodka

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Is that red pill the red pill of Communist propaganda? Russia has disastrous family life. When you factor in how many men spend time in prison, the number of illegitimate children, drug abuse, and how many men father children with multiple wives, lower class Russian families resemble African-American families pretty closely.

      Most Russians are not religious. The Communists destroyed the Orthodox church, the current church is a government-controlled shell (almost mockery) of traditional Christianity. Russians who try to join “Western” Christian churches are considered traitors. Ironically, Islam is the healthiest and fastest growing religion in Russia.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 8, 2019 at EDT am

      • Russia is vastly better off than the west you know it but as a member of the Russian fifth column you can’t admit that. The reality is even the poorest areas of Russia are better, safer, and cleaner than most dumps in American cities. Literally entire races like blacks/hispanics are criminals which outnumber the natives in states like California while Russia’s undesirable/degenerate population is nowhere near as bad.

        redarmyvodka

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

  7. If you are a parent you understand why out of wedlock births are an atrocious idea.

    Raising children is a two-person job, at minimum. Even with all of the government assistance to replace men, a massive gap is left in terms of development and day to day care. The consequences of failing to satisfy these responsibilities are very real and horrifying. Witness the social dysfunction seen in inner cities and some rural areas.

    I hate to sound like some tru-con NRO dweeb but the traditional family is vitally important to humanity and no amount of clumsy social engineering or welfare program is ever going to change that. I don’t deny that traditional marriage is under threat but some form of biological pair bounding, sanctioned by religious institutions ( and the state) is here to stay.

    Tired Employee in Need of Some Tacos Very Soon

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Yup. Raising kids with two parents is hard. Single parenthood must really suck.

      Dan

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Single parenthood is a hard row to hoe (their father left us when they were very young). Self help groups help you keep going but the teenage years were awful.

        I always worked and never received govt hand outs. I was earning too much to qualify for such things. I’m retired now.

        Fortunately they’ve both settled down as adults and seem fine.

        Frau Katze

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “I hate to sound like some tru-con NRO dweeb but the traditional family is vitally important to humanity and no amount of clumsy social engineering or welfare program is ever going to change that.”

      Yeah I agree. Checks every month or visitation twice a month isn’t going to change the need for a father in the home.

      Mike Street Station

      February 9, 2019 at EDT am

  8. https://www.indexmundi.com/iceland/age_structure.html
    population 340k. population mariagable age between 25 – 35 – is 40k….

    I don’t know what the job situation is but besides crappy tourism jobs and fishing, do people have good jobs?
    No good jobs, no stability…

    uman

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Iceland has one of the world’s highest per-capita incomes.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It’s because money can’t buy a stable culture. Celebrities and athletes get tons of money and still implode.

        Monsieur le Baron

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Why so many opioids? I looked it up and Mr. Le Baron is right. It’s interesting to look at which countries have this problem and which do not.

        My hunch is that Italy does not. OK, I’m gonna check myself and return in a minute.

        OK, I have returned & found nothing but this, which doesn’t help, because the OD problem isn’t with prescription drugs. Or is it?

        http://news.jrn.msu.edu/2017/08/what-the-united-states-can-learn-from-italian-opioid-control/

        I just have a gut feeling that in Italy they don’t do this shit. They have a problem, they laugh at it, eat pasta, drink wine, and shrug their shoulders. That is their problem-solving approach and I heartily approve.

        gothamette

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “they have a problem, they laugh at it, eat pasta, drink wine, and shrug their shoulders. That is their problem-solving approach”

        Actually, Gothamette, the reality is that they don’t consider it a problem. Italian culture in general is not very sensitive to individual suffering. People are expected to view a high degree of pain as a natural part of life. Those with addictions are likely to be seen as having caused their own misery by recklessly trying to escape life with a high. Also, Italians generally don’t advocate psychological counseling or therapy for anyone but those who appear to need medication. People are expected to conform and do what they’re supposed to do without whining. So it’s less a matter of laughing at problems with an “eat, drink, and be merry attitude” than of shrugging one’s shoulders and thinking “what can you do?”

        maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        February 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  9. “traditional marriage” is not universally traditional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo#Walking_marriages

    according to dan everett the piraha practice serial monogamy with each “marriage” lasting ca 4 years. this is long enough for the child to develop enough to be raised by the village. so it may be that going back in time far enough “traditional marriage” is something new to the human experience.

    charles murray's black husband

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  10. Vanessa Tyson be ugly, man. Good thing she never met Fred Sanford.

    You know me

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. There is a long list of laws and social trends that have led to the downfall of marriage: no fault divorce, child support laws, feminism, Hollywood, same-sex marriage, decline of religion, welfare incentives, etc.

    Roger

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Japan has easy divorce and less religion than the U.S., but extremely low out-of-wedlock birth rates.

      But they don’t have Hollywood or feminism.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Japan is as close to an ideal society as humans can get.

        gothamette

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Japan is as close to an ideal society as humans can get.”

        You forgot to finish your sentence, as in “….because, as a hi-IQ society they never surrendered to the egalitarian BS, and thus kept their country for themselves”.

        gda53

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Another difference is that Japanese and other Asians are extremely reluctant to go against family expectations and social norms. Americans and western Europeans are not bothered by disappointing the relatives. So the viability of marriage in the West requires stronger cultural and religious norms. Once those norms disappear, so does marriage.

        Roger

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Is it all IQ?

        Eastern Europeans, the ones that were under Communism since WW 2 also have a different outlook. Mind you, the elites are currently under intense pressure to conform.

        Well, it might be partly IQ… but not being pressured by that wretched EU is a big help.

        Frau Katze

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

  12. But Iceland doesn’t have a lot of murder and violence, like American ghettos. Iceland has one of the lowest murder rates in the world. So I guess African American dysfunction isn’t caused by people not getting married. ( But we knew that. )

    In Canada if a couple live together for a year or two, the government basically considers them to be married. Probably the same in Iceland.

    Rosenmops

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The root cause is low-future-time-orientation low-IQ high-extroversion genes, But the stability of traditional marriage, I believe, goes a long way towards raising children so they behave better despite having genetic shortcomings.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I can take you to see a white Section 8 ghetto. The odds of you getting murdered are slim. But the collapse of marriage and other social ills have a very clear and visible effect.

      Monsieur le Baron

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I can take you to see a white Section 8 ghetto. The odds of you getting murdered are slim. But the collapse of marriage and other social ills have a very clear and visible effect.

        —————————————

        But it may not be the collapse of marriage that is causing the problems. More likely low IQ, mental illness and/or addiction is causing the collapse of marriage and most of the other problems in these white ghettos.

        Rosenmops

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • How could IQ have declined so much in two generations? Cultural and structural support networks collapsed. We don’t enforce norms anymore.

        Monsieur le Baron

        February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Monsieur,
        Well there have always been some whites with lower IQ’s, mental illness, etc. It is not a new thing. Since the 60’s divorces have become easier to get and single motherhood has become more socially acceptable. Sex outside of marriage is much more acceptable.

        The poor, low IQ whites (and everyone else) might have been stuck in bad marriages, or gave the babies up for adoption before the 60’s. These days, there`are a bunch of single mothers.

        I was suggesting that the low IQ and/or mentally ill whites might be concentrated in the white section 8 housing.

        Rosenmops

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

      • Oooh, yes, I see. Yeah, there’s little to no smart fraction there. The negativity forms a feedback loop.

        Monsieur le Baron

        February 8, 2019 at EDT am

    • They are replicating more African like social conditions enabled by technology and taxation whereby women can survive without mates. It takes time for these conditions to evolve the dysfunction you describe, although some of the effects can be more immediate, for example disincentivizing work and public duty among men.

      Tom

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. speaking ex catheter…

    1. as long as the “baby” is just a ball of goo, then abortion is merely gross not evil. “gross” because it disconnects sex from procreation.

    2. when the “baby” is recognizably human and not a “monster” i couldn’t be an abortion doctor. it would just be too sick-making. viability outside the womb is the wrong standard.

    3. “monsters” should be murdered at all stages. but what is a “monster”? for example, does it include future libertarians?

    charles murray's black EX-husband

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

    • ” i couldn’t be an abortion doctor”
      A lot of what doctors do is gross and disgusting to outsiders, and then they get used to it and it’s just another day at work.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  14. Life in Iceland sucks no matter how you look at it. I have friends who immigrated there, lived for ~10 years, then ran to the US. Weather sucks, scenery sucks, lack of daylight during Winter sucks, provincial culture on the island sucks. It is generally poor country. Net (after tax) salary is close to $2,200. You have to pay additional tax (VAT) when purchasing most of stuff at the store: 12-24%. One bedroom apartment (800 sq. ft.) rent is close to $1000. The same apartment to buy is $300,000. Even though daycare is subsidized and inexpensive at about $300/month and cohabitation equals marriage from legal standpoint, fertility rate goes down. If cohabitation equals marriage from legal standpoint, then why bother getting married anyway? My thought is that modern life discourages people from having children because they are cost center (no good use to children anymore). In the village they used to work on the farm (profit center). I have two children. I am still puzzled why I need them.

    My 2¢

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  15. According to this website (and it’s from Yale, so we have to believe it, right) Iceland has had a high rate of out of wedlock births for quite a while. As far back as 1964, approximately 25% of births were to unwed mothers. Might be just a real Icelandic thing. More distressing is the increase in the formerly continent cultures of Europe. Just look at the embedded chart on the link. Compared to the small percentage of out of wedlock births in 1964, all the European nations have run off the skids as far as sexual continence goes. I blame the Beatles.

    Interestingly, Israel has a very low rate of out of wedlock births. I understand that approximately half the population is Jewish orthodox in some sense, but about half is secular, yet prole Israel hasn’t gone off the skids (yet).

    https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide

    Daniel Heneghan

    February 7, 2019 at EDT pm

  16. The actual reason is that traditionally in Iceland you could only marry if you own land. Because most people do not own any land, they do not marry, even though they could now marry without owning land.

    My 2¢

    February 8, 2019 at EDT pm


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