Lion of the Blogosphere

The hell of being a French teacher at a NAM school in NYC

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https://quillette.com/2019/02/10/public-educations-dirty-secret/

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 11, 2019 at EST pm

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  1. It’s interesting she didn’t have much to say about the second school. Was it that the kids weren’t disruptive ? My only thought is she didn’t want to emphasize that the Asian kids were not disruptive.

    America has a NAM problem but the left just looks away. What’s really scary is that the Caribbean kids transformed into the same behavior.

    Uman

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • Brooklyn Tech? She hated the bureaucracy but the kids were OK.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • Bill De Blasio’s son went to Brooklyn Tech. It says a lot about the school in terms of prestige and demographics.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • It’s not a bad school. I have a friend whose son went there. He went to USC and is a programmer now (late 20s).

        toomanymice

        February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • Tech used to be a great school; maybe a shade under Stuyvesant but still very good. Her demographics look a bit suspect. Even when my brother went there in the 70s the pop was heavily Chinese.

        gothamette

        February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  2. Very interesting – thanks. I attended a so-called “elite” public school decades ago, where the emphasis was very much on learning, and no backtalk was tolerated. How times have changed…

    My one connection currently with public education is through my dentist, whose husband teaches in a high school. He used to be at an inner city school with all the problems described in the article, but the only other option he could find was an “alternative” school in a rural area. The “alternative” meant that the school was a halfway house between regular schools and reform school, or whatever they call it nowadays. This was in a small town, and there were about sixty students, almost all white, except for a few Hispanics. All were there because of past disciplinary problems. The teacher-student ratio wasn’t bad, three full-time teachers plus a principal who taught part-time.

    Of course, very little learning took place. Just keeping the students quiet and orderly was enough. The principal was an old-line education bureaucrat whose main activity was avoiding work. The teacher was required to schedule conferences with the parents, and both were supposed to show up. Usually they never came, and the one time that both parents did appear, they were both drunk. One student, a 17 year old male who weighed over 225 pounds and looked like a linebacker, was particularly difficult. When the teacher tried to get this young thug to behave, he threatened to kill the teacher, who immediately reported the threat to the principal. She told him to forget about it – the student probably didn’t really mean it, and doing anything about it would require too much time and paperwork. So the teacher reported the incident to the police. Turned out there was, as the cops say, “paper” ( i.e., an outstanding warrant) on this student, and the cops showed up at the school the next day and took him away in handcuffs. The principal was furious and tried to get the teacher fired, but he got the union involved and she backed off. Still, she didn’t speak to him for six months.

    Black Death

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • Conservatives like to portray teachers’ unions as the source of all public education’s woes. Based on your story and the Quillette article, they seem to be the only reason the teachers have any discipline options available at all.

      Wency

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • “conservatives like to portray teachers’ unions as the source of all public education’s woes. ”

        Right, and the reason why Detroit sucks is because it’s run by democrats.

        Boomer conservatives are a particular species of idiot.

        gothamette

        February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • Unions saved the day? C’mon. Unions are an important part of the market, but corrupted by the far-left they have substantially created the problems (especially the AFT), then pose as anti-capitalist reformers as they demand shut-down of alternatives…

        “The new teachers were fervent believers in the prevailing ideology that the students’ bad behavior was to be expected, and that we should educate them without question according to the hip attitudes reflected in the total absence of good literature or grammar, and a sense of history that emphasized grievance. ” She hit that nail on the head. The object is to weaken the US, pure and simple.

        Apparently the parents at Irving got fed-up and have made parts a charter school. We’ll see.

        RE:https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2019/02/11/the-hell-of-being-a-french-teacher-at-a-nam-school-in-nyc/

        The Old Libertarian

        February 12, 2019 at EST am

    • I’ve had principals who would have been doing me a favor by not speaking to me for six months.

      Having said that, the dentist’s husband was in the wrong. If you willingly sign up to teach in an alternative school, death threats are par for the course.

      Also, is it odd having a woman dentist?

      ScarletNumber

      February 12, 2019 at EST am

      • That is indeed strange, I’ve never been to a female dentist, not ever.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 12, 2019 at EST am

      • My father had a business partner who was a female dentist. The two of them went in together on purchasing a small apartment building as an investment. She was on her third husband. I don’t remember what he did, but I don’t think she had ever had any children.

        Coincidentally in regards to this post, after she retired from dentistry and sold her practice, she decided to be a do-gooder and became a teacher in the inner city schools!

        Hermes

        February 12, 2019 at EST am

      • I recently got some dental work done at a dental school teaching clinic. At least half of the students and faculty dentists were women. If not more.

        Rabob

        February 12, 2019 at EST am

    • Still, she didn’t speak to him for six months.

      I’m astonished women think this is punishment.

      everybodyhatesscott

      February 12, 2019 at EST am

  3. “one particularly disruptive and dangerous boy was stabbed one afternoon right outside school. It appears he came to a violent death a few years later. What a tragic waste of human potential.”

    I’d like to believe that the writer was being deliberately ironic in the last sentence, but I think not.

    ice hole

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • Yeah, it was hard not to notice how hopelessly clueless she was, and still is. Check out the very next paragraph.

      “As the weeks dragged painfully into months, it became apparent that the students wouldn’t learn anything. It was dumbfounding.”

      Dumbfounding! Check out what else she said, this time about one of her fellow teachers.

      “The most impressive of all was a handsome black American from Minnesota. He towered over us all, both physically and what the French call morally. He exuded an aura that inspired something like awe in his colleagues and students.”

      He towered morally! I can practically hear her salivating. If you want to know why this woman really chose to work in ghetto schools, I think you have your answer.

      Lowe

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • I didn’t think so either.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • “The reason is that they know deep down that due to the color of their skin, less is expected of them”

      She still finds a weasely way to let them off the hook.

      Mrs Stitch

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  4. This woman has had a profoundly sad life. For those of you who didn’t read the article, her husband dies from an illness at an apparently young age. Not only this but it is abundantly clear that she learned almost nothing from her time with her “students,” or perhaps just nothing she can ever admit.

    “Why should millions of perfectly normal adolescents, not all of them ghettoized, resist being educated? The reason is that they know deep down that due to the color of their skin, less is expected of them. This they deeply resent. How could they not resent being seen as less capable? It makes perfect psychological sense.”

    It’s stereotype threat all the way down, people. This from a woman who finally quit because a large male student threatened to cut her. He no doubt did that because of his resentment at people thinking he’s not smart enough to cut people.

    Lowe

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • I think the author is talking not about stereotype threat but the way affirmative action leads blacks to slack. One quote in the story from a black student demonstrates that the student knows she will get an extra ten points on her entry exam to Hunter College.

      But, yes, I doubt the author thinks, or would ever say, blacks are inferior to whites.

      The craziest thing in the article, in my opinion, is the allegation that black students danced and celebrated upon hearing of the 9/11 attacks.

      Gozo

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • black students danced and celebrated upon hearing of the 9/11 attacks.

        Aside from, perhaps, one or two showoffs, this seems far-fetched. On the other hand, black students and black adults, nationwide, danced and celebrated when OJ Simpson was found not guilty.

        enwurd

        February 12, 2019 at EST am

      • That surprised me too, though I guess it shouldn’t have.

        I read all the quillette comments (most are depressingly clueless) and there’s a thread speculating her students must have been muslim but she was too afraid to state it. Obviously this is not the case.

        Lion did you see deblasio plans in integrate ‘all’ staten island public schools? This is probably the only borough with enough white kids to spread around.

        toomanymice

        February 12, 2019 at EST am

      • My hearysay was different.

        blacks were jubilee that most of the firemen and police officers who died in the towers were pre-affirmative action. Essentially, most of them were White proles who lost their lives.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        February 12, 2019 at EST pm

      • ” At break time word was spreading among the staff. Both towers were hit and one had already come down. When I went to my next class I told the students what had happened. There was an eruption of rejoicing at the news. Many students clapped and whooped their approval, some getting out of their seats to do a sort of victory dance.”

        They’re all adults now, voting….New America.

        Mike Street Station

        February 12, 2019 at EST pm

    • Excuse me. The gentle giant threatened to cut her because he was threatened by the stereotyped expectation that he WOULD cut other people.

      Lowe

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • You should have your own blog. Tell me, have you noticed this woman’s romantic view of NAM’s to be more prevalent among any certain generation, or about equally spread among boomers, Xers and mils?

      You know me

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • Thanks, maybe I should have my own blog so I can put comments on auto-approve and not lose my shit waiting on the Lion.

        Regarding women who like NAMs, I doubt that attraction to big tall black guys breaks down along social or age lines. It’s likely random. There is nothing wrong with liking black men, in my view. I was just pointing out how transparent this nice white woman is trying to save the poor negro children, don’t you know.

        Lowe

        February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • This is like asking why nerds don’t try harder in gym class.

      Dave Pinsen

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  5. The most interesting part of this to me is the perspective of the author. Her stories of how awful the NAM public schools are, while hair-raising, are mostly not news to those of us who read blogs like yours.

    But I get the feeling that the author isn’t like that. It seems like she used to be a genuine liberal who bought into all their rhetoric and wanted to make a difference as a teacher. She’s sloooowly coming around to the “race realist” view of things after living in that environment for years, but she still seems to censor herself (she’s shocked that she would ever do anything as horrible as saying “the n word”), and still has some faith in liberal solutions (we just need to raise expectations for those poor children!). She gives a lot of hints that she’s talking about mostly black children, but she never quite says so directly.

    ack-acking

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • I once read a very long account of teaching in a NAM school by a newly-qualified, highly educated, liberal teacher. If I remember correctly, the teacher was forced to leave eventually due to trumped-up charges of abuse by one of the students. The account brought to life all the horrors that HBD-aware readers would imagine were common place in near-100% NAM schools. The amazing thing though is how the truth has been kept out of the MSM for so many decades, and only non-mainstream sites such as quillette would ever publish such a story.

      lioncub

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • I remember that. It was a gay guy who was accused of sexual harrasment by a female.

        gothamette

        February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  6. Her ‘solution’ is pretty dumb though it would be a good idea to remove the few students who really do want to learn into separate facilities. The ‘vulgar’ book she mentions is probably ‘push’ which is actually a good book from a fiction standpoint (it was made into a horrible movie). It’s first person so written in ghetto speak but it’s done well sort of how the sopranos makes good dramatic use of guidoese. I remember a few quotes from that book including, ‘I hate crack addicts. They give the race a bad name.’

    toomanymice

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  7. Good read, and Washington Irving is about two blocks distant from the old Stuyvesant. Can you even imagine Stuyvesant students behaving as such? Do Stuyvesant teachers understand how good they have it?

    The author asserts that the teachers aren’t to blame – and I agree with her – but neither are the administrators nor the “system” to blame. All – teachers, administrators, “system” – are dealing with, basically, an untamed, uneducable population. Failure is inevitable. The best option for all is to shuffle the majority of this youth out into the workforce at age 15. There is no other constructive option.

    That bit about the NAM yough cheering when the towers were hit, I’m not surprised one bit. There is a convergence of NAM interest (black, latino, muslim) in hating on whitey. But the cucks believe that civic nationalism will carry the day. Dream on.

    Daniel Heneghan

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • “The best option for all is to shuffle the majority of this youth out into the workforce at age 15. There is no other constructive option.”
      I disagree. Shuffling them into the workforce just shunts the problem onto employers. What are they supposed to do with kids like this? Any normal employer will just fire these kids, and they’ll end up as criminal delinquents.

      The answer is to bring back corporal punishment in schools. It’s cheap, simple, and immediate- the sort of thing that even the dumbest of kids can understand, instead of a vague appeal to “this education is important for your future 10+ years down the road”. I don’t expect them to learn French or Shakespeare, but I do at least expect them to learn that threatening authority figures with physical violence is a bad idea.

      ack-acking

      February 11, 2019 at EST pm

      • The workforce idea is better.

        Many or most of these kids would wise up if they had a full-time job, because they won’t be around their peer group all day, but instead be around mostly older people at a job. I know that for certain because that’s what happens after graduation, in reality. Most kids at bad schools don’t go on to be criminals.

        But beyond that, the idea of paddling teenagers, or whatever other physical punishment you had in mind, is gross. Hitting kids at all is bad, but hitting teenagers that way is sexual.

        Lowe

        February 12, 2019 at EST am

    • The best option for all is to shuffle the majority of this youth out into the workforce at age 15.

      They have no skill that an employer would pay for. Other than a make-work, government-run work program, they’re unemployable.

      enwurd

      February 12, 2019 at EST am

  8. I taught medical students for 15 years. The black students were mostly either African or Caribbean in origin. The American blacks tend to have real issues with self confidence. One American black kid was so strange that I feared he might be schizophrenic. It turned out both parents were Black Panthers in Oakland CA and he did not know how to talk to white people. I made-up a script for him to interview patients, It helped and he went on to graduate.

    That is a comment by Michael Kennedy, on the article. That is a pretty sad story. I can see why having both your parents as political and racial extremists would make things tough. I wonder what the black guy thinks about it now.

    Lowe

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  9. That read like a troll. Though I don’t doubt the narrative, plausibility, and characters. I find it hard to believe that anyone would stick around environments like that for long. Especially considering the likelihood of injury.

    Living in a bubble

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • NYC public schools have decent salary (maxing out around 90k, more for special ed), benefits, pension and of course summers off.

      toomanymice

      February 12, 2019 at EST am

  10. She was a nice white lady.

    destructure

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  11. I don’t pity this woman or any of the liberal dunces who go into “education.” They never learn from their experiences, they just double-down on their horseshit.

    I knew what this teacher (should) know just from empirical evidence as a child; why is it these buffoons cannot see the obvious?

    Teaching schools, like journalism schools, are pure SJW/communist mills. The only reason Leftism got a foot in the door and is about to conquer America is because of increasing numbers of NAMs.

    White Americans would *never* have put up with terrible behavior or meat-head teaching theories. But once NAMs entered the picture, and could not measure up scholastically or in behavior, it had to be chalked up to racism of the system as opposed to the truth of their own shortcomings. That cudgel was used to force the country swallow all the lies whole and completely tear down all high standards in order to accommodate the r-selected. And they hate us anyway.

    fakeemail

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • If it weren‘t for NAMs, leftists would have conquered America decades earlier. NAMs are why poor and lower class whites vote GOP against their economic interests, why we even have charter schools and Christian private schools in the first place, and why the Second Amendment is a big deal. Without NAMs the USA would have ended up like Sweden/Canada decades ago.

      Peter Akuleyev

      February 12, 2019 at EST am

  12. she didn’t blame dem genes yo!

    she blamed dem low expectations numsay?

    bernie tulsi 2020

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  13. My cousin earned her teachig degree from a run-of-the-mill, state university and has been teaching for ten years in a wealthy, in-demand MA school district. She’ll earn $100K this year for 180 days of work. In twenty years, when she’s 52, her annual teacher pension will be almost six figures.

    Smartest Woman on the Internet

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  14. Washington Irving High School, on Irving Place, a desirable neighborhood, to say the least. In the 2000s it made the news because a fight in a classroom on one of the higher floors led to a desk being thrown out a window into the street. Every now and then you hear of an unfortunate pedestrian in Midtown who’s killed or hurt by a falling air conditioner. Imagine if you were unlucky enough to be walking by and crippled for life by a desk thrown out of a high school window by a “student.”

    Donor

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

  15. This is why I don’t grudge them their unions anymore. The students are in the driver’s seat so the teachers need big guns for self defense.

    Mrs Stitch

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • Same with police. Politicians are looking to throw them under the bus at the first opportunity.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      February 12, 2019 at EST pm

  16. The Quillette article is underwhelming. The author taught in a succession of bad to not-very-good NYC schools, some time ago (2001-2009). She had a bunch of frustrating and sometimes scary experiences, and wants to relate them to an appreciative audience… while maintaining her virtuous SWPL attitudes towards her students and colleagues, especially black ones. Okay then.

    Education Realist’s blog posts are more engaging and more informative, even though I can’t understand most of his (her?) discussions of pedagogy. Quillette lady should take a page from Ed and figure out what she wants to say, before sharing with her readers.

    amac78

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • I believe ER is female.

      lioncub

      February 12, 2019 at EST pm

  17. It never fails to amaze me when blacks or their apologizers/enablers say that white people frighten them or scare them. That is a baldfaced lie. No one is scared of white people. Maybe some used to be over 60 years ago. Today whites are the most agreeable, rollover-and-tickle-my-tummy-I want to love you and have you love me-types imaginable. White people are labradors and goldens, but there’s no longer any game to retrieve or slippers to fetch, or masters to feed and pet them.

    Donor

    February 11, 2019 at EST pm

    • Maybe not physically, but it’s true in situations where IQ differences stand out. Blacks know that they are inadequate.

      Yakov

      February 12, 2019 at EST am

      • But what’s being talked about in the mainstream narrative is the physical realm. In the fevered imaginations of liberals, blacks live in constant fear of being rounded up and hanged by a posse of roving white racist rednecks; poor innocent black kids like Trayvon Martin can’t set foot in a white neighborhood and come out alive. Whereas the reality is exactly the opposite; it’s non-blacks who must fear black neighborhoods, and white neighborhoods are safer even for blacks.

        Hermes

        February 12, 2019 at EST pm

    • Hilarious during the safety pin hysteria. It was the doughiest, least athletic, least physically imposing white people fantasizing about making freighted black-folk feel safe on public transportation.

      It’s like: Yesterday you were trying to resist the urge to clutch your purse when you saw a group of black teenagers. Today you think you’re going to make them feel safe by wearing a safety pin to let them know you’re willing to stand up to Trump voters on their behalf. Get out of here.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      February 12, 2019 at EST am

  18. This is a much better and honest article on black schools by a white teacher:

    https://www.amren.com/news/2016/08/a-white-teacher-speaks-out/

    Red pill aspie

    February 12, 2019 at EST pm

  19. I don’t get why people are complaining this isn’t a good article. It’s in Quillette, which is as close to a mainstream outlet as an article like this will ever appear. It’s by a Phd in French, which is the equivalent of being a member of the liberal elite (although not really because otherwise she wouldn’t be teaching in these schools). And it really is an honest article. She basically described the students as jungle people (dry humping performance was “Danteesque”).

    Leonard Skinnard

    February 13, 2019 at EST am


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