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Fake story about college admissions in NY Times

NY Times story, currently showing on the home page of their website, that claims that the college entrance scam that has been in the news shows how blacks are hurt worst by the admissions process.

Nothing could be further from the truth. The article is absolutely false. The true news is that blacks are given a handicap of approximately 200 points on the SAT. On top of that, other requirements (such as “leadership” activities) are less rigorous for blacks. Applying to college while black is like having a legacy father who donated millions to the college. Affirmative action for blacks is that strong.

The college admissions game hurts Asians most, and then poor and middle-class whites. Blacks come out on top.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 14, 2019 at EDT am

Posted in Education

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  1. It looks like the gist of the complaint is that Blacks don’t have the means or connections to cheat.

    Mike Street Station

    March 14, 2019 at EDT am

    • I just provided a link to a book written by a black person about the poor heading into prestigious schools like Harvard.

      Once they’re in, poor racial minorities including Asians are left to their own devices at the backdrop of the Winkelvoss and Kushner types.

      Here you have is a person who’s black telling the world that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side and most of the time it isn’t.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      March 14, 2019 at EDT am

  2. “Civilization Ending Asteroid to Strike Earth; Women and Minorities Hardest Hit”

    Oswald Spengler

    March 14, 2019 at EDT am

    • I miss James Taranto doing “Best of the Web” at WSJ. His replacement is OK, but not as good, for the main section but the headline jokes are down to a small number.

      I guess Taranto is writing editorials now. He can’t use his distinctive writing style there.

      Frau Katze

      March 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • Ditto. “Best of the Web” under Taranto was great. It’s very much a pale shadow now.

        Mike Street Station

        March 14, 2019 at EDT am

  3. The linked NYT story uses standard-issue MSM tactics to mislead the unwary. The reporters’ key tool is to omit or downplay important details. The first instance is in the lede paragraph, where the featured ghetto high school seniors “took standardized tests three, four, five times to increase their scores.” OK: but what were those scores?

    The reporters give paragraphs 7 and 8 to senior Khania Jackson, who says, “It’s frustrating that people are able to obtain their opportunities this way. We can put in work from fifth grade to 12th grade, every single day, come in early, leave late, and it’s still not enough. What does it take? You work every day, they still find a way.” The article unironically mentions that Ms. Jackson has already been accepted by her safety, the University of Chicago. Which is the #3 National University in the corrupt but widely-accepted USNWR rankings. The article unironically doesn’t mention the fraction of students with her qualifications who struggle at U of C, then flunk out. But we can guess that her test scores and academic preparation make those odds depressingly high.

    The rest of the article is more of the same.

    Judging from the 137 comments at this writing, about half the readers see through the baloney, and the other half are happy consumers of lefty fake news.

    amac78

    March 14, 2019 at EDT am

  4. At HYP, non Jewish whites are hurt the most. They are 70% of population and 25% of entry class. Asian are 5% of population and 15% of admits or more.

    Only the fact that Jewish white and non Jewish white are not distinguished in any category and then form 50% of intake allows to obfuscate that white gentile are the only victim.

    If you consider merit, asian are 25% of the best students (National merit semi finalist) and then are hurt by 40%. But white non Jewish are 70% and are hurt the most.

    The majority of the country – white Christian – who are the majority of the best students (they are average, black and jewish&asià canceling out) are one fourth of the intake.

    Then for leadership positions, due to asian lack of charisma, you ve got gentile and goyim compétitif 1 to 1 when it should be 35 to 1 based on number or 10 to 1 based on merit.

    The actual number of Jewish has been changed by Hillel since the question was pointed by Unz.

    It’s not antisemitism at all, it’s just a fact. Unz study is extremely factual and detailed. It has nothing to do with being a self hater.

    Bruno

    March 14, 2019 at EDT am

    • I don’t think it’s a conspiracy : more the consequence of legacy and culture dominance in intellectual circles.

      Bruno

      March 14, 2019 at EDT am

    • This is false anti-Semitic propaganda, Jews are only 7.7% of Harvard, but should be 14.4% based on merit (because Jews have much higher IQs): https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2017/12/31/does-harvard-still-have-jewish-quotas/

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • You should exchange data with Unz about who counts as Jewish and how to evaluate the merit . I tend to follow you on this because the number of Jewish Nobel prizes in hard science and math (fields medal) was 30% and now it’s aroung 20% . So that’s in line with your figures .

        Bruno

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • The best way to do it is to use last names as a proxy for Jewish ancestry. How overrepresented are names like Shapiro in Harvard’s entering class compared to the general U.S. population of 18-year-olds?

        pumpkinperson

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Just because someone had a great-grandfather names Shapiro doesn’t mean they are Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • You don’t actually believe that Jews are 7.7% at Harvard, do you?

        renault

        March 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • I 100% believe that Harvard is 7.7% based on the definition of a Jew as “someone who says they are Jewish when responding to a survey that asks their religion.”

        But anti-Semitic types have a one-drop rule about whether someone is Jewish.

        But you have to make apples to apples comparisons. When we say that the U.S. is 1.8% Jewish, that’s the definition being used.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • Just because someone had a great-grandfather names Shapiro doesn’t mean they are Jewish

        But having a Jewish last name correlates strongly with Jewish ancestry just as self-reported Jewish religion (your definition) correlates strongly with Jewish ancestry.

        In both cases the correlation is imperfect but as you said, the key is to use apples to apples comparisons.

        Census data tells how many Americans have last names like Shapiro so you simply compare the percentage with the percentage at Harvard by checking their directory.

        pumpkinperson

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • No the census doesn’t report on last names.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • pumpkinperson

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Bruno is right. As I’ve pointed out previously, whenever you have two different groups considered the same under affirmative action, the higher performing group will always benefit at the expense of the lower. If their category benefits from AA then the higher performing group will benefit disproportionately. And, if their category is harmed, then some of its affirmative action burden is transferred to the lower performing group. This is a mathematical fact. East Asians benefit at the expense of Southeast Asians. African immigrants benefit at the expense of american blacks. And jews benefit at the expense of white gentiles.

      destructure

      March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • In other words, it’s like I said, that Harvard discriminates against Jews, and if admissions were strictly based on objective measures of academic merit like test scores, then there would be more Jews at Harvard and not less.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Any discrimination that jews face would be a result of being white not being jewish. So it would be misleading to say “Harvard discriminates against jews.”

        We know that since jews have the highest average test scores among whites AA harms jews less.

        We also know that affluent whites are more than three times as likely to be admitted as poor whites with similar grades and test scores. And, since jews have the highest income among whites, this would benefit jews more.

        Whether these two factors would be enough to completely offset the harm done to jews by AA is difficult to say without data. But we can say that both of those factors benefit jews relative to other whites.

        We also know that some people will try to derail this discussion with charges of “anti-semitism” and shifting the focus to Asians because we’ve been down this road before. The most intelligent response would be to simply concede the point and say one doesn’t like it either.

        destructure

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • At Harvard, Jews are only 7.7% of the class, but should be 14.4% based on IQ, so affirmative action is hurting Jews.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • First, I’m not sure I agree with your numbers. Jews are only 2% of the population and have had a low birth rate for quite some time. So the percentage of college age jews would be much lower than 2%. There has also been a huge influx of immigrants as well as international students. Which would lower the percentage of college age jews even further.

        Second, unlike white gentiles a majority of jews support affirmative action. And the support would undoubtedly be much higher among the lefties at the ivies. It’s extremely hypocritical for jews to support affirmative action and then shift that burden to other whites, and especially to working class whites.

        And, third, you’re the one who divides the world into jews and gentiles not me. I told you it was a f*cked up worldview, didn’t I? You’ve even called jews a “minority” on your own blog. Jews can’t separate themselves from the goyim but then claim to be just another honky when it’s convenient. You can’t have it both ways.

        destructure

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “It’s extremely hypocritical for jews to support affirmative action and then shift that burden to other whites, and especially to working class whites.”

        Liberals, be they Jew or Gentile, are hypocritical about a lot of things.

        However, the college admissions process is very opaque, and only us red-pilled people think about the college admissions process like this, for liberals who have drunk the Kool-Ade, they only think “diversity is awesome!!!”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Agreed. Just so you know, I don’t give anyone a free pass.

        destructure

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

  5. If colleges were truly sincere about admitting the smart, overlooked, underprivileged kids they would be looking in white working class communities in red states.

    A lot of overlooked talent is there. Meanwhile urban, Black and Latino neighborhoods are scoured to find promising students.

    Jimi

    March 14, 2019 at EDT am

    • “If colleges were truly sincere about admitting the smart, overlooked, underprivileged kids they would be looking in white working class communities in red states”

      It would turn these institutions into the Breakfast Club.

      Liberals don’t care what class of White people are in, because White people are just White people with White privilege.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      March 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • Studies show that the admissions departments of highly selective universities are three times more likely to accept upper class whites than lower class whites with the same grades and test scores.

        destructure

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Studies show that the admissions departments of highly selective universities are three times more likely to accept upper class whites than lower class whites with the same grades and test scores.”

        This sounds correct, because the lower-class white applicants don’t have parents who direct them into activities like volunteer work and internships and leadership activities and the right sports.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Studies show that the admissions departments of highly selective universities are three times more likely to accept upper class whites than lower class whites with the same grades and test scores”

        Again, elite schools don’t want their demographics to reflect the Breakfast Club, essentially White prole types mingling with the White upper classes. It’s simple as that.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Need to separate schools with need-blind admissions from those with need-aware admissions. The latter will reject poor applicants.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Universities like HYP should become private schools that don’t accept Federal money. This would reflect its true intentions and no one would question their motives. We have several, expensive, private high schools in Manhattan, that has a 99% White demographic. One rarely sees an Asian or a black face in these schools. If a black guy like Abraham Jack is willingly to write a book that poor students don’t feel happy at Harvard, because they are surrounded by a sea of privilege and wealth, then Harvard should restructure its school to reflect that. But then again, people will call out hypocrisy that all of our upper echelons in society come from these schools, which is already in place.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        March 15, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. Lion, a guy who worked for Singer wrote a comment to Sailer. You’ll get a kick out of it:

    The regressed-to-the-mean-fuck-up children of plutocrats, on the other hand, usually ended up at TCU or ASU …

    Vipltd

    March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I guarantee both of those schools have plenty of students smarter than the guy who wrote that comment.

      destructure

      March 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. “The college admissions game hurts Asians most, and then poor and middle-class whites. Blacks come out on top.”

    That’s not true. And I think you know it. As I’ve repeatedly posted on your blog, according to a study by Espenshade and Radford on admission to highly selective universities…

    “When lower-class whites are matched with lower-class blacks and other non-whites the degree of the non-white advantage becomes astronomical: lower-class Asian applicants are seven times as likely to be accepted to the competitive private institutions as similarly qualified whites, lower-class Hispanic applicants eight times as likely, and lower-class blacks ten times as likely. These are enormous differences and reflect the fact that lower-class whites were rarely accepted to the private institutions.”

    Their study also found that rich whites were given preferential treatment over poor whites.

    “At the private institutions in their study whites from lower-class backgrounds incurred a huge admissions disadvantage not only in comparison to lower-class minority students, but compared to whites from middle-class and upper-middle-class backgrounds as well. The lower-class whites proved to be all-around losers. When equally matched for background factors (including SAT scores and high school GPAs), the better-off whites were more than three times as likely to be accepted as the poorest whites (.28 vs. .08 admissions probability).”

    destructure

    March 14, 2019 at EDT pm


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