Lion of the Blogosphere

Is the seder appropriate for today’s children?

The purpose of the seder is to tell your children the story of Exodus, but is this brutal story something that today’s children should be learning?

It began because a bunch of Jews showed up as refugees in Egypt. A globalist, more liberal, Pharaoh took them in. And the Jew proceeded to multiply in number much faster than the native population, without ever assimilating.

Then a more illiberal and Egyptian-supremacist Pharaoh took over. In order to control these foreigners living amongst the Egyptians, foreigners who refused to accept the truth of the Egyptian religions, this Pharaoh enslaved the Hebrew foreigners, and after they continued to breed like rats even when enslaved, attempted to control their population by ordering that all male children be killed.

It should be pointed out that, while killing infants seems icky to us modern people, it was a lot more common and no big deal back then. No bigger a deal back then than abortion is a big deal today. (According to Wikipedia, describing the practice in ancient Greece: “After a woman had a baby, she would show it to her husband. If the husband accepted it, it would live, but if he refused it, it would die. Babies would often be rejected if they were illegitimate, unhealthy or deformed, the wrong sex, or too great a burden on the family.”) The real sin of the Egyptians is not that they were slavers or baby-killers, their real sin is that they worshiped false gods.

Yahweh’s ultimate solution to this problem was not Egyptians and Hebrews living peacefully together in a Democratic society. No, the solution was complete separation of the two peoples, with the Jews eventually conquering the land of Israel and setting up there (and too darn bad for any non-Jews who happened to be living there).

The lesson of the Book of Exodus is that different nationalities with different religions can’t live peacefully together in the same country. Each nationality should have their own country.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

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  1. “….while killing infants seems icky to us modern people”

    Ummm, that statement seems somewhat ironically naive considering it’s now the law of the land in NY and elsewhere that it is permissible to kill infants if they survive an abortion up to and including the full term.

    Let’s say it seems extremely “icky” to normal people. Not to progressives, obviously.

    Seen “Gosnell” yet?

    gda53

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  2. ‘The lesson of the Book of Exodus is that different nationalities with different religions can’t live peacefully together in the same country. Each nationality should have their own country.’

    Nice interpretation, but it’s not the simple meaning. All it says it is that the Jews cannot live among other nations. As it says in the book of Numbers (23:9): ‘Lo, it is a people that shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations’. And this, like everything else that is written in the Torah, is very appropriate for the children. A child has to learn what is right before he becomes aware of the incorrect views of the society. When a child is brought up that males are circumcised, animals are sacrificed and homisexuals, after due legal process, are stoned, he faces the outside world with formed beliefs and the knowledge of what is right.

    Happy Passover!

    Yakov

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  3. Well, that’s an interesting take on Exodus that God realized that multiculturalism wasn’t going to work and just pulled off the band aid and separated the two groups….wait, does that make Derb a prophet?

    Mike Street Station

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Tend to agree with this view of multiculturalism. By and large it doesn’t work. It didn’t work in the end for the European Jews even though their culture wasn’t very different.

      It totally fails with Muslims who can’t even get along with each other. It’s true that the old Catholic-Protestant split only disappeared after most of the elite population became atheists. At one time, some Protestants would be celebrating the burning of Notre Dame along with the Muslims.

      There’s a theory that religions with detailed sacred texts are more inflexible. However, that tradition, started by an obscure tribe in the Middle East has spread to well over half the population now.

      Frau Katze

      April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The fact that multiculturalism is not going to work was already established in the tower of babel story

      Hashed

      April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. The story in Exodus is known as a “founding myth” which is actually fairly common. It usually consists of some type of hardship that must be overcome in order to establish one’s worthiness as a nation and right to possess some territory. It’s not unusual for founding myths to include stories of founders who came from some far off land. But archeology actually indicates a native Canaanite origin for ancient Israel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_myth

    “Thus Greek and Hebrew founding myths established the special relationship between a deity and local people, who traced their origins from a hero and authenticated their ancestral rights through the founding myth. Greek founding myths often embody a justification for the ancient overturning of an older, archaic order”

    destructure

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Of course the story as told in Exodus and Numbers is fiction!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Lion, do you believe the Bible is fictional whole cloth or do you just believe the supernatural parts of the Bible are fictoonal?

        Oswald Spengler

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It’s mostly fiction. For example, there were never a bunch of Jewish slaves in Egypt.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 20, 2019 at EDT am

      • Dude, learn more history. Egyptian sources talk about a semitic group called the Habiru (sounds suspiciously like Hebrews) who worked as mercenaries patrolling the desert border to keep other semitic tribes out. According to Egyptian records, they got in a dispute about their pay, stole what they could, and left. You don’t have to believe either group’s partisan version to see that some of the tribes that ended up in Canaan could have had some service in Egypt. They might have been running the Canaanite area for the Egyptians (Under Rameses II the Egyptian border went up to Tyre in Lebanon). A lot like Frankish and Lombard tribes working for the Romans just kept France, or how Arabs working for the Persians and Byzantines took over when the empires got weak from fighting each other.

        Hammerstein

        April 20, 2019 at EDT am

    • Archaeology is an insufficient account of the Jewish cultural heredity, namely: the 12 tribes, the reccurence of the ritual sukkah building by Jews, the Levitical ancestry, the Davidic monarchy’s submission to one God, etc. Cultures this rich don’t spontaneously emerge, suggesting a historical Moses.

      A Dilettante

      April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  5. I am reading Goodman book Rome and Jerusalem , and I realize that diaspora is a fundamental part of being Jewish, in contradiction to exodus teaching.

    PS : when I was a student I lived in Marais Paris were you’ve got 2 communities, gays and Jews. I once saw there a ultra -orthodox Israeli kissing an aryan looking English Punk . I wish I had taken a picture of those kissing.

    Bruno

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “I once saw there a ultra -orthodox Israeli kissing an aryan looking English Punk . ”

      A shabbos goy.

      gothamette

      April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. The media is the new religion. They preach what they thing is good or wrong and feel entitled to ban whom they disapprove. They also feel themselves like gods thinking that the world is what they say it is. If they don’t speak about a problem (immigrants colonizing western culture), it doesn’t exist …

    Bruno

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. “Pharaoh enslaved the Hebrew foreigners, and after they continued to breed like rats even when enslaved, attempted to control their population by ordering that all male children be killed.”

    Which was stupid because if you wanna control the population you should kill the women. One man can impregnate thousands of women.

    One day some crazy rich dude will set up his own country with mechanized breeding.

    Buttegiegistan?

    gothamette

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “Which was stupid because if you wanna control the population you should kill the women. One man can impregnate thousands of women.”

      Agree with this 100%. Pharaoh was obviously not very smart.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Should have written “crazy rich gay dude.”

        Buttegieg & his man are going to have a child. No word on who rent-a-womb is.

        gothamette

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • You obviously dont understand what was going on. Why don’t you just study our tradition and find out. I’m too busy to explain it now.

        Yakov

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Hoping that the women would be assimilated by marrying them off to Egyptians. I suspect that scenario usually worked in history. Still, he really should have gone after the grown men.

        The grown men are always killed in tribal fighting and the women and young children taken. The women are valuable to the winners too, as they can be impregnated by the winners.

        Notice that children ALWAYS pick up the language and accents of their peers, not the language of the parents (assuming they’re different). Must have been a trait strongly selected for.

        Frau Katze

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • But surely families and societies are patriarchal. If you want to understand what Pharoah was maybe trying to achieve, then you only need to look at black housing projects in America or British council estates to see where communities without men end up. Chaotic, but easily dominated.

        prolier than thou

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Pharaoh knew what he was doing . You kill the Hebrew men , then the women cannot defend them self or sustain a society and culture on their own. All is left is to impregnate the women by Egyptian men.

        eyaldavid

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Pharoah wanted a docile compliant slave workforce. Kill all the women, you have a pissed off underclass fifth column in your midst with nothing left to lose. And since they’re males only, Pharoah’s helot class dies off in a couple of generations.

        Kill all the men, it breaks the back of possible rebellion and destroys the Jewish culture. The Pharoah of Exodus was attempting to practice ethnic cleansing, several thousand years before it had a name

        Oswald Spengler

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Exodus was attempting to practice ethnic cleansing, several thousand years before it had a name”

        It had a name, ‘us against them’ or ‘our country’. If they didn’t live among each other there wouldn’t be anything to cleanse.

        Curle

        April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • obvs the plan was for there to be lots more unattached, sex-starved women hanging around for the benefit of Pharoah and his Hamite pals

      Blue Tribe Dissident

      April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • If you kill the men you can use the women as breeding stock and increase your own population.

      diversityischaos

      April 20, 2019 at EDT pm

      • but according to Orthodox Judaism that’s not the way it works. Their mysterious Jewish essence would be handed down from generation to generation by the mom.

        gothamette

        April 21, 2019 at EDT am

  8. If already, a better source would be this verse: ‘Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.’ Deuteronomy 22:10. One might think like what’s the difference already? Do they really mind? So the Torah tells us that they do and it makes them feel uncomfortable. So we should not make them suffer by making them closely assosiate with each other. Same goes for human diversity: they look similar but they are different and can’t live harmoniously together.

    Yakov

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  9. but is this brutal story something that today’s children should be learning?

    Dunno man, I was thinking about this during today’s Good Friday service, we took the kids and of course not being a regular Sunday service there was no kids’ service so they sat in with us. I was thinking the same kind of thing as the pastor was describing the crucifixion, wow, is this appropriate for kids?!

    Then I thought 2 things further:

    1) I suppose that it depends on how seriously you want your kids to have these stories impressed upon them

    2) I suppose it goes to show that, as with pretty much everything else, we are a good deal weaker than our forebears, who presumably lived in a grittier, harder world, and had no qualms about teaching this stuff to their children.

    S.J., Esquire

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Kids today are incredibly sheltered.

      Throughout history, most folks grew up on farms. On a farm, you learn about sex and death and the other realities of life at an early age.

      Disney bowdlerized all of the old fairy tales. Some of them were pretty gory.

      Stan Adams

      April 20, 2019 at EDT am

    • “but is this brutal story something that today’s children should be learning?”

      No. We must not allow our precious tots to have their minds polluted and their souls corrupted with this horrible, violent filth.

      They must be immersed in wholesome, life-affirming media. Grand Theft Auto. Saw movies. Game of Thrones. Cardi B albums. Hunger Games books.

      njguy73

      April 20, 2019 at EDT pm

  10. So now Bibles and Torahs for SJW progressives will be required to have trigger warnings accompanying them?

    Oswald Spengler

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. What about the Hyksos and Exodus?

    “Immigration by Canaanite populations preceded the Hyksos. Canaanites first appeared in Egypt at the end of the 12th Dynasty c. 1800 BC or c. 1720 BC and established an independent realm in the eastern Nile Delta.[5] The Canaanite rulers of the Delta regrouped and founded the Fourteenth Dynasty, which coexisted with the Egyptian Thirteenth Dynasty and was based in Itjtawy.[citation needed] The power of the 13th and 14th Dynasties progressively waned, perhaps due to famine and plague.”

    “In about 1650 BC, the Hyksos invaded the territory of both dynasties and established the Fifteenth Dynasty. The collapse of the Thirteenth Dynasty caused a power vacuum in the south, which may have led to the rise of the Sixteenth Dynasty, based in Thebes, and possibly of a local Abydos Dynasty.[5] The Hyksos eventually conquered both, albeit for only a short time in the case of Thebes. From then on, the 17th Dynasty took control of Thebes and reigned for some time in peaceful coexistence with the Hyksos kings, perhaps as their vassals. Eventually, Seqenenre Tao, Kamose and Ahmose waged war against the Hyksos and expelled Khamudi, their last king, from Egypt c. 1550 BC.”

    Curle

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  12. OT:

    From the US DOJ.

    Refugees’ and Asylees’ Right to Work

    This free webinar will educate refugees, asylees and the professionals working with them about workers’ rights under the anti-discrimination provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act, and special issues facing refugees and asylees related to this law. Representatives from the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division’s Immigrant and Employee Rights Section (IER) will describe how this office assists refugees and asylees discriminated against based on their national origin or citizenship status. Attendees will learn how to identify possible discrimination in the process of verifying a worker’s authorization to work in the United States.

    IER representatives will also discuss free resources relating to this law, including for individuals with limited English proficiency, such as IER’s worker hotline. In addition to providing the public information on the law that IER enforces, IER’s hotline intervention program informally resolves problems. Examples of issues that IER may be able to assist with include when an employer: rejects a refugee’s I-94 as a valid Form I-9 receipt, does not allow a refugee to start work without a Social Security number, rejects an asylees’s or refugee’s driver’s license and Social Security card as valid Form I-9 documentation, or rejects an Asylee I-94 as a valid List C document for the Form I-9.

    Thursday, June 13, 2018 at 2:00-3:30 pm ET

    IER Training for Refugee and Asylee Service Providers

    map

    April 19, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. India tried this approach by splitting into two separate nations, giving Pakistan to the Muslims and India to everyone else. It has been a mess w/ the two countries skirmishing constantly.

    Tbone (@SavorDaJourney)

    April 20, 2019 at EDT am

    • The India-Pakistan border mostly has no natural boundary. There’s just an imaginary line the runs through farmland. Coherent national identities are usually bounded by mountains/rivers/desterts/oceans.

      bobbybobbob

      April 20, 2019 at EDT pm

    • You think the “mess” wouldn’t have been worse if they hadn’t split???

      destructure

      April 20, 2019 at EDT pm

    • India still got a huge Muslim population, about 170m which is not much less than Pakistan itself.

      Hashed

      April 21, 2019 at EDT am

  14. I don’t usually agree with you about much but this time you nailed it.

    diversityischaos

    April 20, 2019 at EDT pm

  15. Today’s Children, as Dave Barry would say, would be a great name for a rock band. Yesterday on youtube I saw Today’s Children’s set at Monterey Pop, all five songs, but today it’s not there anymore because of legal wrangling with their manager, even after five decades, ferchrissakes.

    Pylon

    April 20, 2019 at EDT pm

  16. My Jewish family is neurotic, so like every Seder we’ve ever had bitching and kvetching broke out and it was a disaster. If my own family can’t get along, what hop is there for different races. In the end, I walked out and orders Thai food.

    Destroyedbywow

    April 20, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Thai food is so much better tasting than Passover food!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 21, 2019 at EDT am

      • Have you met Jews who dine Italian during the days of Passover?

        That’s some guido-oriented rebellion for you.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        April 21, 2019 at EDT am

      • I ate Mexican pork tacos today, they were delicious!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 21, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Eating Mexican as a Jew could be offensive in Passover. But Mexican is nowhere as offensive as Italian where you have meatballs that are made of pork and beef (mixing meats is very un-Kosher, especially with pork). Then there is the cheese part with the array of pasta and bread and it just takes the cake as something a Jew should always stay away for Passover.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        April 21, 2019 at EDT pm

      • There is no such thing as a Passover food. You can make whatever food you want within the kosher parameters. A prole makes every holiday about his physical needs. Ask a prole how was his Pesach and the first thing you gonna hear what he are and drank. An insight into Haggadah? Fugget about it. Incidentally, the hotel where I’m staying had a fine variety of meats and wines and Manishevitz wasn’t represented. Think, who’s gonna pay a fortune of money for anything but the best?

        Yakov

        April 21, 2019 at EDT pm

      • The hotel had a pizza party just now. First time in my life I tasted something like this. Excellent. Pizza, pasta and all sorts if italian dishes and all kosher for passover. Live and learn. I dont know why you always having problems, Lion.

        Yakov

        April 22, 2019 at EDT am

  17. “The lesson of the Book of Exodus is that different nationalities with different religions can’t live peacefully together in the same country. Each nationality should have their own country”

    Are the tensions between the Mizrahim (the Sephardim for Middle Eastern Jews) and Ashkenazim in Israeli society trivial that they do not need to segregate?

    For one, Israeli propaganda has instill its citizens that their common enemies are the Palestinians and Muslims who live in the midst of Jews regardless of their different origins, phenotype and customs. A similar tactic has been used in America to divide and conquer, where Elite Whites have been hinting NAMs that their fellow lowers (proles) are racist against them.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    April 21, 2019 at EDT am

  18. That’s the first time I’ve seen the word asylee. I know that Robert E. Lee’s eighth illegimitate son, that he had with Sally Hemings, was affectionately known as “Asy” Lee, but that’s not really the same thing.

    Stuffed Shirt IV

    April 21, 2019 at EDT pm

  19. I was invited by my kids to spend the Pesach holiday in a hotel with them. There were 900 pretty high IQ Jews in the program. I was impressed. The story of what happened in Egypt is the story of the Jewish nation in exile ever since. The Jews multiply, prosper, rise to positions of power because of their superior abilities and social framework and inevitably enter a period of persecution and decline to be followed by the next ascension. Orthodoxy, which is the only true Jewery, is in the period of a very strong expansion and advancementfight now. Won’t last forever, though.

    These Jews never heard of the foundation myths, nor do they doubt the Exodus or the fantastic miracles that had taken place and have large families. The future belongs to them.

    The story of Exodus gives us a natural explanation for the anti-semetism. Think, very high IQ Jews in Poland were 10% of its population. Obviously, they would come to dominate the country. What nation would like this? This alone would be enough to cause the hatred.

    In Ukraine a Jewish comedian defeated a half Jewish president.

    Can’t a country of 45 million people produce a president of it’s own stock? Just like Joseph ascended to be the ruler of Egypt, these Jews rise to power by their superior abilities.

    The Biblical account of the Egyptian exile has repeated itself many times in the Jewish history. Why would anyone doubt?

    Yakov

    April 21, 2019 at EDT pm

    • USA might have a Jewish president in a few years. Doubt many here would be celebrating though…

      SFG

      April 24, 2019 at EDT pm


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