Lion of the Blogosphere

Game of Thrones, S08E03

Of course there are spoilers, but I don’t think that knowing the ending makes the episode that much worse, but if you haven’t watched it yet, then read ahead at your own risk.

It was literally a very dark episode. As in poorly illuminated. An hour and twenty minutes of fighting in the dark, and for most of the fight I didn’t understand what was going on, and not even sure if any major characters had been killed. (I am sure that the little girl who was in charge of some minor Northern fiefdom got killed, as well as Ser Jorah Mormont, who I think may actually be some sort of relative of the little girl.)

Even though a huge budget probably went into the special effects, I found it boring. There was very little dialogue or character development.

This reminds me of the Battle of Helm’s deep in the Lord of the Rings. Bad guys in fantasy stories are always really bad military strategists. Although in this case, with the Night King simply able to create new undead, maybe losing a bunch of undead doesn’t matter much to him. Except that he went and got himself killed. And it’s my impression that’s the end of the whole undead-army-from-beyond-the-wall storyline that’s been going on forever is now over, just like that. It just seems too easy.

As far as who killed the Night King, that came out of nowhere. And I think that’s a bad thing. There was no logic to it.

And now we have three more episodes to find out who gets to be King or Queen of all of Westeros.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 29, 2019 at EDT am

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  1. Yes the little girl was Lyanna Mormont who was a cousin of Jorah. She was the leader of her House and was a precocious little mean girl.

    I get the illumination issue. The battle happened at night so it was difficult to tell what was going on in most of the scenes, so a lot of the money spent on special effects seem wasted.

    The casualties were all well known, but not major characters. I was surprised by that. I fully expected to loose some Starks but they all survived.

    Mike Street Station

    April 29, 2019 at EDT am

  2. What started as a fine fantasy has degenerated into clownish crap. The S08E03 was totally unwatchable both on visual and cognitive fronts.

    mapman

    April 29, 2019 at EDT am

    • Who puts trebuchets in front of infantry? Why have dragons if they fly around and do nothing? The whole episode was terrible.

      IHateGoT

      April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

  3. Thank you for tucking away the ending.

    Justice Duvall

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. [As far as who killed the Night King, that came out of nowhere]

    Hey I always assumed it would be arya to kill the night king, since she is the only one who could get close to him (in disguise).

    I hate to say it but this was a terrible episode because I couldn’t see a damn thing on the screen. At first I thought I was going blind (not an impossibility, I have terrible vision) but then heard complaints from well sighted people they couldn’t tell what was going on either.

    In defense of the show, if they’d executed this in a vivid and well illumined manner it would just have been a walking dead episode. But I think I would have preferred that.

    The previous two episodes were unwatchably dark in places too. Whose desk does this get past?

    toomanymice

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “The previous two episodes were unwatchably dark in places too. Whose desk does this get past?”

      It’s probably optimized for super-high-end televisions with true-black capability. And your run-of-the-mill high-def TV also often requires an endless amount of fiddling with color controls. Try re-watching the episodes while playing with brightness and contrast. It can make an enormous difference in what you see.

      Harry Potter movies suffered from this a lot as well. All the wandering around in dark castle corridors.

      peterike

      April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

      • no, I am amazed that this wasn’t shot down on this blog
        it is the compression algorithm that can’t take that (streaming) – not enough shades of grey
        even a high-end OLED or plasma can’t help – it will merely trade contrast for low picture resolution
        you need the original file or at least something like 20 GB on BluRay
        HBO managed to srsly fk up by not watching out for this – a sure sign of how much this series collapsed – but that is mainly thx to David Friedman….ahh, Benioff

        BAP

        May 2, 2019 at EDT am

  5. “As far as who killed the Night King, that came out of nowhere. And I think that’s a bad thing. There was no logic to it.”

    It also went against the whole Azor Ahai prophecy predicting either Daenerys or Jon Snow being the one to kill the Night King (which had been foreshadowed by the entire previous 7 seasons).

    Arya killing the Night King, by jumping out of thin air from out of nowhere, is like an author ending his book with the words “And then I woke up, it was all a dream.” It is incredibly lazy and anti-climatic. (They didn’t even include any scenes leading up to it, like her sneaking past the white-walker lieutenants to get to the Night King or even planning what she was going to do.)

    chris

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

    • She was one of the white walker lieutenants in disguise. That’s one of her super powers.

      toomanymice

      April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. The Army of the Undead was a bit too fragile. As for Arya coming out of nowhere, they DID spend most of the series building her up. It makes some sense that she’d be the assassin. I’m not exactly thrilled on how it went down, but whatever.

    It was difficult to see what was happening, not just in the big battle sequences, but in the castle (specifically Beric; it looked like he died three times).

    Vince

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. The writers haven’t got a clue since extending beyond the books. It’s been downhill since season 5.

    JW

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

    • they do, Cogman does
      it is David Benioff… eh.. Friedman that destroyed the show

      Bombexpert

      May 2, 2019 at EDT am

  8. Logical troops placement is overrated, let’s shake things up a bit:

    We have castle walls! Screw that, let’s keep our troops outside!
    Calvary, great for counter attacks! Excellent, first attack!
    Long range catapults! Super, let’s put them in front of the army!
    Spears, good to block the enemy frontal assault! To the back!
    Shock infantry! No need to attack, front line and stand fast (behind the catapults of course)!
    A palisade! Damn, it would be too easy if we use it to break the enemy assault, behind the troops!

    What are the producers smoking?

    Seingalt

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I’ve had tons of complaints on the military tactics on this show, from Dany using dragons to destroy vital supplies she needed and not utilizing the one giant they had effectively last season to this; having cavalry charge the undead army and being turned themselves, and putting infantry in front of their fortifications!

      Mike Street Station

      April 30, 2019 at EDT am

  9. The whole thing was rather shocking and not in a good way. A vast let down, considering most, including myself, were expecting either a wizard battle between Bran and the Night King, or a sword fight between Jon and the Night King. Unbelievably anticlimactic. It’s almost like they couldn’t figure out how to make jon and the Night king fight, so let’s have Arya sneak up on him. Too easy.
    Now we get 3 more episodes of Dany fighting Cersei ?
    WTF.

    DaveNYC

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

  10. A terrible climax to a terrible show. Is this a videogame? Beat the final boss and all the bad guys evaporate into thin air?
    The books became terrible after the third (the fourth was utterly dreadful, and the fifth completely filler and lost the plot).

    Panther of the Blogocube

    April 29, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. I don’t mind having Arya kill the Night King, but I strongly suspect the reason it was set up this way was to promote a girl power feminist political narrative. In a different political climate I would think it was interesting subversion of expectations but in today’s world and with GOT’s past history I suspect it’s feminist propaganda and not an honest attempt to tell a good story.

    Too me though the Arya thing did not matter very much. The real letdown was that the White Walkers, who had been built up as this mysterious presence for 9 years now, just end up being stereotypical evil guys who want the end of all life. We never get them speaking, we never here their point of view. I thought that GOT was supposed to be deeper and more fleshed out than LOTR with more nuanced and well developed characters. But in the end the Night King is just an evil death force like Sauron and the white walkers are like his Nazgul or mindless orcs or whatever. Really disappointing.

    Also I thought it was dumb how the Dothraki were basically thrown away. Like seriously they should have been behind the walls, since mounted assault troops where obviously useless in this battle. The real front line should have been the unsullied since they are trained never to retreat and just to hold their ground as an enemy breaks against them. But these flaws pale in comparison to what was done with the White Walkers.

    Observant Hebrew

    April 30, 2019 at EDT am

    • “But in the end the Night King is just an evil death force like Sauron and the white walkers are like his Nazgul or mindless orcs or whatever.”

      At least there was a chapter in LOTR where the orcs get to talk and you learn their point of view.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 30, 2019 at EDT am

    • “Also I thought it was dumb how the Dothraki were basically thrown away. Like seriously they should have been behind the walls, since mounted assault troops where obviously useless in this battle. ”

      It was an obvious if risky strategic move for Snow to weaken the Walkers while getting rid of the Dothraki. Whether the writers are that bright at this point, who knows.

      Robert

      April 30, 2019 at EDT pm

  12. 1) Arya Stark having killed the Waif is the second best killer – after Jaqen Hagar, so it makes perfect sense that she would kill the Night King (only Jon and Daenerys could have done it)

    2) the technique she employed is similar to the young lady Mormont killing the giant giving a cute parallel

    3) as she was helped to escape, it was clear she was on an important mission

    4) the 3 eyed raven wouldn’t have stand there if he knew that he was going to be killed and lose the war

    So that’s not stupid. But other scenari would have been better …

    Bruno

    April 30, 2019 at EDT am

  13. Arya asked Bran if dragonfire would be able to kill the Knight king and he said he didn’t knew because it has never been tested (meaning he is only able to see through actual worlds, not possible worlds).

    And then there are the inumeral references to past episodes and in particular to Melisandre.

    I start to understand who is the returning Azor Ahai – the person who is saving the world again – and who is the prince(ds) to come again that is worshipped by the fire cult (three of them were expedient in allowing Arya to kill the Knights king).

    I haven’t read the book but there is so much on each episodes, that while I am seeing it, I am overwhelmed by dozens of logical frames that shape my watching .

    Bruno

    April 30, 2019 at EDT am

    • Not seing all possible worlds mean Bran can’t really know the future.

      Bruno

      April 30, 2019 at EDT am

  14. I thought it was fine once we turned out the light, but we have a pretty big TV and were streaming it. I wonder if the cable signal gets autocorrupted somehow.

    Plot wise, the show jumped the ice dragon last season and I don’t expect as much from it. Previous battles have been nonsensical from a military standpoint, though the Dothraki debacle does seem a cut below the rest of it. In general there wasn’t enough dialog to follow it as a story as opposed to stumbling through it as fog-of-war.

    mcdemarco

    April 30, 2019 at EDT am

  15. Slightly off topic but I had a conversation with some coworkers about the show today. I stated that the iron born are one of my favorite cultures of Westeros. One of them, an SJW Dothraki admirer, pipes up and says “eww the iron born pillage and rape!” And my answer: “ the Dothraki do that too, plus worse things”

    Crickets.

    Amazing how it’s easy to hate on the white Ironborn than the far crueler brown Dothraki.

    markus

    May 1, 2019 at EDT pm

    • You should have reminded them of the Dothraki wedding scene. I think it was filmed in Jeffrey Epstein’s powder room.

      Joe

      May 13, 2019 at EDT pm


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