Lion of the Blogosphere

China is not Japan

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There were some comments in the nature of “the U.S. felt threatened by Japan in the 1980s and that turned out to be a false scare, China is no different.”

There are many huge differences. Japan has less than half our population and about 1/20th of the land area. China has four times our population and their land area is about the same as the United State. Japan never had the raw size to be as dominant as the United States. China does.

Post World War II Japan has shown no military ambitions. Unlike China which has built an arsenal of nuclear weapons and is now busy creating aircraft carriers (which are not directly threatening to the United States, but rather they demonstrate a desire by China to be able to bully third-world countries). China is aggressively spreading it’s sphere of military influence into international waters.

Japan is like other western Democracies with freedoms including free speech. China is non-Democratic and is not free. People aren’t even allowed to use Instagram in China; even Iran’s censorship isn’t that oppressive (I see lots of Iranians posting on Instagram). I may also point out that China believes it’s OK to make it illegal to have more than one child.

China supports rogue nations like North Korea and Iran.

China has been aggressively spying on us and getting away with stealing secrets from both government and private companies.

When will we wake up and realize the danger that China poses?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

Posted in International

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  1. China is a threat because globalist traitors in the U.S. have made it a threat. Hollowing out our manufacturing and sending it to China was not done at the point of a Chinese gun: we did it to ourselves, deliberately, in order to put even more money into the pockets of the 0.5%. And then we outsourced everything from wiffle ball bats to hyper-sensitive electronics. Stupidity all the way around, from a nationalist perspective.

    At the same time, we stupidly allow millions of Chinese into the country to work in sensitive industries, and to fill up valuable seats in the most highly regarded universities on earth.

    But as easily as we built up China we could hurt it. Herewith the PeterIke Program to Weaken China (it’s too late to completely knock them down).

    1. Cancel all Chinese student visas ASAP and never issue another. This includes teaching assistants.

    2. Cancel all Chinese work visas ASAP. No Chinese national should be working in an American company.

    3. Begin the immediate re-patriation of our industries, starting with the most important and moving down the line. How? Well, to take a simple example, tell Whirlpool they have three years to start making all their appliances in America, including all parts. After three years, they will not be allowed to important anything, not even a screw. Impossible? They outsourced it in less time. They can get it back. Will it destroy corporate profits for a decade or so? Yeah. So what?

    4. All Chinese nationals currently in the process of attaining citizenship will have their paperwork revoked.

    5. Revoke citizenship for all Chinese born of immigrant (non-citizen) parents in the last fifteen years. Deport them. Racist? So what.

    6. Empower the IRS to specifically target Chinese Americans and their businesses for tax audits. Racist? So what.

    7. Empower ICE to specifically target Chinese illegals for deportation. Racist? So what.

    Oh, I could probably come up with some more. Though unless they make me God Emperor of America, none of these will come to pass, even the 100% common sense ones like #1 and #2.

    peterike

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Eastern Asiatics and other non-whites are in great numbers in America to serve as a buffer zone for Elite Whites in this Darwinian process to exclude blacks n proles. Opioids are administered to harm proles and the breakdown of the black family is destroying blacks. Chinese and Hispanic immigrants are here to provide an additional arsenal to render these groups obsolete.

      I was at the Whole Foods meat section the other day and 2 brown skinned workers behind the counter were speaking to each other in Spanish like it was a meat corner in a “bodega” in the El Barrio. Mind you, Whole Foods could have hired an entire staff of babbling snowflakes at the butchering department or blacks who speak in their ebonics. But somehow, these recent immigrants are cheaper with less workplace drama. And it’s NYC, where people want things right here and right now.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 16, 2019 at EDT am

    • None of this will happen, and here is the reason why. There is no political will, no Dems and most Republicans will not go along with that, especially after liberal activist start screaming racist/xenophobe, and big money business interest will be on the phone threatening to pull campaign dollars quick.

      That ship has sailed. That might have been possible in early 1980s, but not now. Not unless a war starts.

      GrassMudHorse

      May 16, 2019 at EDT am

    • Governments especially like Chinese bringing loads of money, enough to pay cash for houses in expensive cities. The cities become unaffordable to most young people but also greatly enrich the owners of said homes. So the locals aren’t complaining. I’m in BC, Canada but there also half a million Chinese in Toronto.

      Even my sister and I benefited. After our mother passed, we put her condo on the market and a bidding war broke out. The prospective buyers weren’t Chinese themselves, but prices all over the city have gone up.

      They’re are also considered prime foreign students, who are eligible to start the path to citizenship when they graduate. Foreign students pay high fees and they tend to be good students.

      I see your point about security but your suggestions are unrealistic.

      Frau Katze

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Can we say that opening up to mass immigration in the 1960s was a terrible mistake? It still wouldn’t have stopped jobs going overseas.

      I was reading a book about life after Columbus. By the 1600s the Spanish were selling silver from South America to China and buying silk. The Chinese suggest they could also make the clothes too if they had a pattern. Tailors back in Spain were furious, the Chinese would make the clothes for less.

      Jobs going overseas started a long time ago.

      Frau Katze

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

    • What Peter said. And let me add this.

      I don’t think the Chinese Supermen or the master race. I see them as being very competent and on the high end of average.

      They have a very large population, and thus the absolute number of competent people is in the several hundred millions.

      Compare that with the United States. We have a much smaller population, and the bottom has fallen out of our society, thus the competent normal middle-class is under siege. we used to be the country of the high average competent person. No longer. Now it’s China.

      We did this to ourselves.

      gothamette

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It’s only going to get worse. The SAT scoring is going to take various things including ethnicity into account in the final score. More mediocres.

        AFAIK, in Canada, only natives get preferential treatment. But we’re so small in population we’re just an afterthought country. Still there’s about half a million Chinese in both Vancouver and Toronto. The Chinese dominate the University of B.C.

        But being over-represented at university sure beats being over-represented in prisons (a common scenario amongst North African Muslims in Europe.). Overall, I still say they’re good immigrants, if you are determined to have immigrants.

        Frau Katze

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “It’s only going to get worse. ”

        Ain’t that the truth. Well since it’s only going to get worse, I suggest that we all have some fun and suggest the various ways in which it will get worse. Such a target-rich environment I can hardlymake my mind up, but to begin with, there will be diversity hires at the New York philharmonic. Now it’s your turn.

        gothamette

        May 17, 2019 at EDT am

      • @Gothamette I think Canada will copy the US affirmative action. Not completely, because the big immigrant groups (India, China) don’t need it. But once we get enough low IQ groups, what will be done? Already there is a black community in Toronto (mostly from the Caribbean) that are known to be prone to violence.

        Once there are sizeable groups of these people in every city, what then? They can blame in on British slavery in the Caribbean and Canada was a British colony.

        Frau Katze

        May 17, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Look on the bright side. You don’t have somalis. Somalis make Jamaicans look like the model minority.

        gothamette

        May 17, 2019 at EDT pm

  2. Japan is only like western democracies because they were bombed into submission and occupied. 30s Japan is highly comparable to China. Their 80s boom while under military occupation is not all that relevant.

    Also, Japan is in a lot of ways actually a bigger problem for Americans right now than China. Japan continues to gobble up high value add pieces of the global supply chain with unfair trade practices and government coordinated strong arming of western business partners.

    The only reason we don’t talk about what a huge problem Japan and South Korea (and Germany) are in terms of trade is because they’re allegedly “allies.” What exactly we get out of this alliance is a bit of a mystery to me. We should cut Japan and Korea loose and let them get into inevitable tiffs with China that we can sit out and watch.

    bobbybobbob

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “Also, Japan is in a lot of ways actually a bigger problem for Americans right now than China. Japan continues to gobble up high value add pieces of the global supply chain with unfair trade practices and government coordinated strong arming of western business partners.”

      That’s just not accurate. Our trade deficit with Japan is around 1/6 or 1/7 or deficit with China. Magnitude matters.

      Japan has tried really hard to work with America, to point of hiring Americans to manufacture cars in America. They have been sensitive to our manufacturing workers for decades. My Honda Odyssey was made in America. And it’s not like its cheap to manufacture in America or something.

      Is China creating manufacturing jobs in middle America? Hell no. Instead they kill vast numbers of middle Americans with opioids / fentanyl, an arrangement they seem quite content with. Japan isn’t killing Americans by the tens of thousands. We wouldn’t have to beg the Japanese to please stop killing huge numbers of us. They just wouldn’t do that.

      Dan

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • Japan works systematically to extract the highest value add pieces of the global supply chain. An increasing share of the value in a 777 or Iphone is made in Japan.

        bobbybobbob

        May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • Japan and Germany were basically forced to manufacture in the US. The US government strong armed and heavily incentivized them in the 80s/90s. One big incentive was non-unionized labor in the South.

        The Chinese manufacturers are mostly sub-contractors for US brands. They generally don’t have the brands, scale, and capital to set up manufacturing in the US, even if they wanted to. It’s not like Toyota or Volkswagen. Brands have pricing power to make the economics work. Subcontractors and manufacturers without strong brands can’t charge the premium necessary to set up factories in the US.

        Tom

        May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

    • China will never follow the Japanese to democracy. They need to keep Tibet because of its water. Even worse are the Muslims in western China. The Muslims are currently being savagely oppressed but it’s hard to find people anywhere who care about them, Muslims are the most unpopular people on the planet.

      Japan is almost mono ethnic. I think a nation has to be for democracy to take root. Whether or not our western democracies can survive is anyone’s guess.

      The UK government is becoming more and more authoritarian. London is a violent place. Knives have been outlawed, surveillance cameras are everywhere. Racist tweets can result in jail time.

      I’ve never seen a breakdown of crime by ethnic group. But it seems worse than it used to be, prior to mass immigration.

      Frau Katze

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  3. Millions of Chinese are living in the West and buying up land. They also have a big presence in Africa. So they may not need to use military to take over–they will just buy us. They have pretty much already colonized Vancouver.

    They execute prisoners for their organs, and they can arrest anyone they want arbitrarily. They recently arrested two random Canadians to get back at Canada for arresting Wanzhou Meng, chief financial officer for Huawei Technologies. She was arrested in Vancouver and is being sought for extradition to the United States. She is under house arrest in one of her Vancouver mansions.

    Rosenmops

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The two Canadians arrested in China were drug dealers, it’s hard to feel any sympathy for them.

      Armando

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Rosenmop’s anti-Chinese sentiment in Canada (a strictly Anglophone phenomenon, because Québecois don’t dislike or like them, due to their low profile and small numbers) has a lot to do with Anglo Capitalism of zero sum greed, which Asians have perfected for centuries. Eastern Asiatics are allergic to White countries with a strong national, intellectual and cultural unity. Anglo Saxons seem to be weak in this regard and have a penchant for selling anything for a dime, if it benefits the elites.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. I think this might be a racial thing. White liberals are unable to connect the faces of the beta Asians they went to school with a foreign threat. And as I’ve said, the Chinese somehow appear harmless and non-threatening in their “inscrutability”. Like, they’re so psychologically different that to whites it appears they can’t possibly be competing with them, because they’re not even on the same playing field.

    IHTG

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  5. China’s population density on livable territory is about the same as in Japan. However, China does not have resources enough to become as developed (per capita) as Japan (not enough resources in the world). China will sputter out at development level much lower than Japan.

    My 2¢

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. Many people even here do not seem to understand that industrialization eventually causes population decline. Japan did not stop developing because of population decline. It reached maximum possible development level and started population decline as result of it. The same is happening to China.

    My 2¢

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. Interestingly, people were much more hostile to Japan in the 80s than they are towards China today. The relatively positive image Japan has today is a recent creation, and seems significantly driven by its image of being hapless and nonthreatening. Hence the love for all these “Weird Japan” news stories in the press that portrays them as hapless exotics.

    In the 80s lots of people hated Japan. Lots of WW2 vets and people that were alive during the war were still alive. Lots of people refused to buy Japanese cars and electronics. Also, many Americans still worked in manufacturing at the time, and Japanese brands were competing with US manufactured goods. Whereas Chinese manufacturing is mainly for US brands, and not many Americans work in manufacturing these days anyway. And there was less PC back then, so people were more openly hostile to foreigners, non-whites, etc.

    Tom

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • There are hundreds of differences between Japanese and Chinese. But China’s massive destruction of female babies exemplifies the chasm. China’s massive destruction of female babies implies a really primitive and barbaric level. Japan doesn’t have that at all.

      Japan is one of the cleanest countries in the world. China is one of the dirtier ones. I don’t say dirtiest because I have been to India.

      Japan has one of the lowest levels of corruption among nations. China’s level of corruption is among the highest.

      Japan does freedom. China does not.

      These are major, categorical differences and they reflect on the people that make up the two countries. It is eminently reasonable to be favorable toward Japan and unfavorable toward China.

      Dan

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • Gender selective abortion implies a sexually inegalitarian, patriarchal culture that values paternal lineage. Until recently, Japan did have such a culture. It doesn’t now as it’s a decadent and declining society, and that’s partly why people have a more favorable attitude towards it. It’s regarded as a dying society of hapless, non-threatening, sexless weirdos and pushovers. But as recently as the 80s, and further back, people had a much different attitude towards Japan.

        Culturally, China and Japan are very similar, especially form a Western perspective.

        Tom

        May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Gender selective abortion implies a sexually inegalitarian, patriarchal culture that values paternal lineage. ”

        If you look at gender selective abortion (or its predecessor female infanticide**) and see something positive, you need your head examined. I don’t think it has ever been a thing in America. Not only does it show an incredibly primitive standard of morality, but an extremely low level of social cooperation. You would kill your own daughters and screw your society for a slight perceived gain. Patriarchy is supposed to mean men protecting their womenfolk, not killing them.

        Even in Islam, which is as patriarchal as things get, they don’t do this generally, and we know because of sex ratios.

        ** Wiki: “China has a history of female infanticide spanning 2,000 years. With the arrival of Christian missionaries in the late sixteenth century, the missionaries discovered female infanticide was being practiced – newborns were seen thrown into rivers or onto rubbish piles.”

        Dan

        May 16, 2019 at EDT am

      • I didn’t say it was “positive”. There are other ways to do this. The British aristocracy for example had primogeniture and would just keep having kids until they got sons. Or they would divorce and marry women who would bear them sons. Of course they were wealthy so it didn’t matter if they had lots of girls until they had boys, because they could support the girls and marry them off. But the less wealthy you are, the less able you are to support girls.

        “Protecting womenfolk” is a modern platitude that does not describe what patriarchy actually is, which is the dominance of paternal lineages.

        Islam is a monotheistic religion, and not as patriarchal as traditional pagan and Indo-European religions like Chinese, Hinduism, Greek/Roman, etc. Allah and the Ummah replace your father and the paternal lineage as your lord and lineage.

        Female infanticide goes back to the Greeks in the West:

        https://www.lifenews.com/2014/12/23/sex-selection-infanticide-dates-back-to-the-greeks-girl-babies-were-killed-thrown-into-sewers/

        Tom

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

      • How much of that is due to Japan lacking the so-called wonders of diversity?

        I don’t think all of it can be attributed to that. For example, they’re clean to the point that second-hands cars are shipped elsewhere for resale.

        I always like looking at the minimally cluttered houses. In the West, a lot of, say, Victorian-era decorating involved organized clutter.

        Frau Katze

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I had a positive opinion of the Japanese in the 80s for two reasons. My mom owned a Chevy Vegas in the 70s. It was the worst car ever. It was constantly in the repair shop. She traded it in for a Toyota in 1978 and it ran perfectly. No problems ever and it was good on gas. I remember being thankful the Japanese made quality cars that helped our family save money by not having repair costs. She traded it for a new one in 1981 and that one was perfect as well.

      My second reason might seem shallow..oh well. In 1982 my dad drove me through different neighborhood in Los Angeles. We went through Chinatown and then Little Tokyo and he noticed right away the Japanese girls were prettier. Yes they were! That made me like Japan all the more…I was a horny teenager at the time.

      I might have a chance to travel to Japan next year and that would be really interesting to me. For some reason visiting China wouldn’t excite me.

      Jay Fink

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

    • The Japanese were really bad in WW2. I read a book about a reporter who was one of the first to Nagasaki after the bomb. But his book had no chance being a best seller and used widely in schools like Hersey’s “Hiroshima”.

      The first part of the Nagasaki book interviewed some prisoners of war. The Japanese were extremely cruel. After you read that part, you didn’t care that much about Nagasaki.

      They were also very cruel when they invaded China. It’s still a sore point.

      Frau Katze

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  8. I assume China has their own national Instagram like program.

    I think countries should be able to have their own national internets and apps and media environments. Having everyone in the world use the same media and social media is a globalist view.

    Tom

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • China has counterparts to most Western social media, and they have a “captive 1 billion person market” so these companies are quite wealthy, some of them are the wealthiest tech companies in the world, as they are monopolies in China.

      http://www.dragonsocial.net/blog/social-media-in-china/

      GrassMudHorse

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • The social media are effectively monopolies here too.

        The market doesn’t produce two competing Facebook-like programs. The whole point of Facebook is that everyone is using it. Same with Twitter.

        Small alternatives are growing only because the Facebook, Twitter and Youtube keep banning people.

        Frau Katze

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  9. Pretty much agree. However, one correct, the one child policy is over. It is a two child policy now, and the government is considering having no policy regarding reproduction due to demographic issues.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/chinas-two-child-policy/2018/12/04/a8d9f07a-f807-11e8-8642-c9718a256cbd_story.html

    However most Chinese now don’t want more than one kid due to cost of raising a child to the educational standards they believe are necessary.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/beijings-one-child-policy-is-gone-but-many-chinese-are-still-reluctant-to-have-more/2019/05/02/c722e568-604f-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html

    GrassMudHorse

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Correct and I was surprised to see lion cite the now defunct 1 child limit.

      The sad fact is even without dictates or forced abortion the fertility rate of western wonen, particularly whites and asians, remains not much higher than one child per woman. So all those draconian measures for nothing.

      China has a skewed sex ratio due to gender selective abortions, they have tens of millions of ‘extra’ males. The long term social implications of this have yet to be seen but I doubt it will be good.

      toomanymice

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • Agreed about the western world. Multiculturalism is just a visual proxy for egalitarianism which itself is a categorically Christian social ordering phenomenon.

        A Dilettante

        May 15, 2019 at EDT am

  10. I have a fiduciary duty to speak up since I source product from China.

    As someone said in another post, Chinese hegemony != Western hegemony. The culture does not reward individualism, which is a succinct “durable competitive advantage” America possesses, however eroded and sclerotic its political economy has become. China is a reactive power trying to maintain national stability. What, for instance, is the historical atavism of the Han?

    A Dilettante

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. China IS like Japan… circa 1910. I’ll admit there’s a thin-skinned arrogance in China that’s starting to get unbearable. Fortunately we live in the age of nuclear weapons so nationalist adventurism won’t go too far. And most Chinese remain apathetic to the outside world.

    That said, the western world with its “freedom and democracy” is exactly why you people are in the position you are now. Japan hasn’t fallen to multiculturalism because it’s actually a one-party conservative state run almost entirely by old men with authoritarian personalities. As all societies should be. Why wish liberal democracy on anyone?

    Jason Liu

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Lion refuses to acknowledge that so called “freedom” is precisely the cause of all the problems he laments. In an ideal society fewer people should have rights, wealth needs to be strictly controlled, and bad influences eradicated. This is exactly what Red China has enacted and their country is massively better off.

      However I’d argue Japan is somewhat pozzed in that radical feminism does have free reign.

      redarmyvodka

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

    • There are uncounted numbers of Westerners envious that Japan has not opened the floodgates to immigration.

      Some leftists are actually scolding them about it.

      Mind you, it’s not a very big country. Even if they wanted to, they couldn’t take many.

      Frau Katze

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  12. As Lion said, China is playing the long game. While they have many liabilities–the one child policy and resulting huge surplus of “bare branches” single young men being one–their overwhelming advantage is their commitment to an ethnically homogeneous society of 99% Han people. Unlike the West, they realize that diversity + proximity = war, and are taking measures to reinforce homogeneity by any means necessary. Hence the persecution of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang. The rest of the world may tsk-tsk away, but given the history of Islam and the atrocities it currently commits worldwide, the Chinese are doing the right thing to try to nip any potential upheavals in the bud.

    Meanwhile, the feminized West continues to worship at the altar of “diversity”, while its white women are not only permitted, but encouraged to compete with men and have the outcomes fixed in their favor. Why is it not surprising that Angela Merkel, Theresa May, and Emmanuel Macron have zero kids among them?

    The Chinese don’t have to worry about conquering the West. All they have to do it wait it out until sharia is imposed in Europe and the US, and our Constitution completely shredded, then finish off the job as conquest of much lower-IQ Muslims should be a breeze.

    370H55V

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • They “realize” nothing. The one-child policy was not some one-off failure of judgement resulting in too few wives. It transformed their society. Their middle class women are in their 30s with multiple fake degrees and no husbands, because people no longer view their children the same way. The problem is not low-class people rejecting female babies, it is the middle class sending their daughters – their one child – to endless “education.” That is what is actually happening, to this day. It did not end with the end of the one child policy. And now, people don’t even want to have multiple children, because it is “too expensive.” You think they “realize” something that makes them superior to us? They are already just as bad. They are worse. Only just getting started with consciously progressive attitudes (they’ve now got TV shows about “professional” childless women, similar to Sex and the City), yet they’ve managed to keep pace with our feminists in terms of social disintegration. Now, that’s an achievement.

      Perturabo

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • When are rightists going to realize nobody wants ten kids all living in squalor?

        Like it or not society is becoming more complex/demanding hence education.

        However unlike the west real education still exists and is totally worth it there.

        redarmyvodka

        May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Redarmyvodka, this country needs an influx of kids because labor too expensive here. Can you imagine if you could afford a servant to clean your house and another to cook for you and one do other housework. You could if people started having kids they couldn’t afford.

        mpt

        May 16, 2019 at EDT am

    • As Muslims like to say, we Americans may have the nice watches, but the Chinese have all the time.

      njguy73

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. Yup.

    JayMan

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  14. People are not allowed to use instagram in the US either. We have the same censorship now, whether it is a dictator or a CEO doing it makes no difference. So we can no longer claim the moral high ground. China might rule the world in a more enlightened way at this stage. At least they aren’t science denialists.

    DataExplorer

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The US was never able to claim high moral ground due to two major problems: killing off Native Americans at the beginning and consistently having slavery based economy. We are still using slavery today. It is just renamed as illegal immigration.

      My 2¢

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Multiculturalism has made me more sympathetic to the North American natives. Even though most of the dead were killed by diseases, dead is still dead. But we can’t change the past.

        Frau Katze

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “People are not allowed to use instagram in the US either. We have the same censorship now, whether it is a dictator or a CEO doing it makes no difference.”

      Yes. I recall the First Amendment: “Neither Congress nor any CEO shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition either the Government or any corporation for a redress of grievances.”

      njguy73

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Russia has the military China has the money. A Russian/Chinese dominated global order is in everyone’s interest.

      redarmyvodka

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Are you just trying to be provocative, or are you simply crazy? You’re wishing for a nightmare scenario.

        Mike Street Station

        May 16, 2019 at EDT am

      • Unlikely they could form a long lasting durable partnership. Strictly a marriage of convenience.

        Speaking of Russia, Chinese must visiting as tourists. I was reading some Russian writing about good spots for photography near Moscow. At one point he mentioned, this is a good spot unless busloads of Chinese start coming.

        Frau Katze

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  15. The United States never properly reassessed and readjusted its foreign policy after the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    It was quite a coup for Richard Nixon to take advantage of the Sino-Soviet split by going to the People’s Republic of China, establishing diplomatic relations with them, and bringing them onto the Western side of the Cold War. In that geopolitical context and with China only starting to gradually implement economic reforms in the 1980s, it was defensible to ignore ongoing Chinese repression and the potential future threat posed by China in favor of the near-term gains from defeating the Soviets.

    With the fall of Soviet satellite states in Eastern Europe at the end of 1989 and the collapse Soviet Union itself at the end of 1991, however, the reasons for supporting China became far weaker. Meanwhile, China’s economy continued to expand at a prodigious rate as China’s government adopted better policies and as China exploited its trade relationship with the United States to steal intellectual property.

    By trying to disentangle America from China, Trump is merely attempting what should have been done a quarter-century ago.

    D.

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The insane status quo of US foreign policy is driven by three factors.

      The military industrial congressional complex grew totally out of control. Literally millions of people are wetting their beaks in a bloated system, and they wield political power. The correct maneuver right now is to retrench closer to home, and reassert the Monroe doctrine. Tell the Europeans and Japanese to have fun asserting their security interests on their own dime. Close the bases and repatriate the forces and reduce US Defense expenditures 80%. Hillary Clinton actually made a series of comments effectively about a New Monroe Doctrine. I would voice support at the time and get attacked by MAGA shills.

      There is a fundamental global monetary policy problem. The global economy has always reset on a new system for settling international trade very roughly every 50 years or so. The last “soft” reset was arguably 1971 when Nixon defaulted on gold convertibility. Before that it was Breton-Woods. All of this is wrapped up in WWII and the Cold War and the current system makes no sense at all today. Currently US dollars that the American banking system creates out of thin air are still needed all over the globe by everyone to buy basic commodities. This gives enormous power and wealth to US financial institutions and the American government, and both are loath to compromise that power. The problem is it necessarily guts the productive capacity of Americans. We print the dollars, get stuff we didn’t make, but Joe Blow is left wondering why he’s getting a phony disability check and has no job. On paper Global Dollar Hegemony is a net gain but in reality it destroys our people in favor of the financial class.

      The third problem is insane neocons who have shrewdly subverted the system to drag America into mid-east entanglements of no national interest what-so-ever.

      bobbybobbob

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • This whole comment progression is so unbelievably lotb.

        Lion says something, everybody jumps in and beats his ass, and then BobbyBobBob dourly contributes a dose of acid realism.

        I agree with everything he says, including the business about neo cons. I support Israel, but the relationship between the United States and Israel is way too close. It will eventually turn sour, as all such relationships do.

        gothamette

        May 17, 2019 at EDT am

    • Yes a major reason America embraced lopsided trade deals with Red China was to lure they away from the USSR. This was indeed a major turning point in the history of the Cold War. The Cold War may have ended in Europe but it never ended in the far east.

      redarmyvodka

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “It was quite a coup for Richard Nixon to take advantage of the Sino-Soviet split by going to the People’s Republic of China, establishing diplomatic relations with them, and bringing them onto the Western side of the Cold War.”

      Everyone thinks that but it’s incorrect. It was actually China who approached Nixon. They realized they needed technology and economic growth. Nixon thought that if he extended an olive branch and developed relations that China would eventually join the free world. But that was never their intention. In fact, they’ve used that hope as bait to win concessions and stave off criticism which would not have happened if people knew what their true goals were. I hate to admit it but they played Nixon. And they’ve been playing the world ever since. Anyone who hasn’t realized it yet (and most haven’t) is still getting played.

      Read The Hundred Year Marathon by Michael Pillsbury.

      destructure

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • That’s not really true. Nixon and Kissinger did not really expect China to join the free world. They formed the policy to balance the more powerful USSR, and both imagined that in the future the policy would have to shift to balance China if China became more powerful. And why would China joining the free world i.e. having pointless elections and gay rights jammed down your throat change anything? People were worried about Japan in the 80s despite Japan being part of the free world and even having US military bases. If anything, if China were part of the free world, it’s economy would be less communist and even bigger than it is now.

        Tom

        May 16, 2019 at EDT am

      • “That’s not really true.”

        Yes. It is. They didn’t think it would happen overnight. But they did think China would move towards normalization as trade and contacts with other countries increased. That’s been a cornerstone of sino-american relations for decades. We put up with their bs because people thought they were moving in the right direction and didn’t want to jeopardize it. They played us.

        But, yes, their more immediate goal was to use China to balance the Soviet Union. And it worked, too. Unfortunately, it’s ended up in a Mexican standoff that, in the long term, only benefits China.

        destructure

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I disagree. I’ve read Kissinger’s and Nixon’s books. Both of them were foreign policy realists. In their realpolitik philosophy, there is no such thing as countries “moving in the right direction.” There is only relative power.

        If China had the same government today but were much poorer and weaker, and Japan was ascendent, we would be turning to China to balance against Japan.

        Tom

        May 17, 2019 at EDT am

      • I’ve read Kissinger’s and Nixon’s books.

        In that case, you’ll be familiar with his 1967 seminal piece Asia After Vietnam, calling for China to break out of its “angry isolation” and join “the society of nations.” Or writing in Foreign Affairs a year before his election: “There is no place on this small planet for a billion of its potentially most able people to live in angry isolation.”

        Yes, Nixon and Kissinger were into realkpolitik. But they were also anti-communists. They wanted to end communism. And they hoped this would lead to that.

        destructure

        May 18, 2019 at EDT am

  16. I assume this post was intended for Mr. Trudeau (a daily patron of your blog, I expect!):

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1120513/Justin-Trudeau-Japan-Canada-Ottawa-Shinzo-Abe-China-Huawei

    S.J., Esquire

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  17. at least the china govt does not sell out its citizens by encouraging mass immigration

    anon

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Neither did the nazis. That doesn’t make them my friends.

      destructure

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

    • They might if there was any advantage to it. They’ve got all the cheap labour they need. They don’t need to import voters, since they don’t have elections.

      Russia happily brings in Muslim Central Asians for cheap labour. Apparently Russia really is part of the West, at least by that metric. There’s an ongoing debate that they’re not Europeans but some other category.

      Frau Katze

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  18. I agree with a lot of what you wrote but this bit left me shaking my head:

    “Japan is like other western Democracies with freedoms including free speech. China is non-Democratic and is not free. People aren’t even allowed to use Instagram in China; even Iran’s censorship isn’t that oppressive (I see lots of Iranians posting on Instagram).”

    In what bizarre world is China’s decision to not allow itself to be cucked by Silicon Valley leftists a sign of societal ill health? You yourself have made numerous posts about the power exerted by Silicon Valley leftists and the utterly political creatures these social media companies have become. You have said they need to be stopped right here in America, but now you propose that China must allow them to sow their cancerous seeds among its own people?

    China already enjoys an extremely vibrant domestic social media ecosystem. In many respects it is more advanced and sophisticated than what is available in the West. Everyone uses wechat, which is a platform that combines all the functionalities of whatsapp, instagram, and paypal in one seamless service and is far superior to anything put out by SV. There are dozens of other alternatives as well. So what exactly is the advantage of letting in Facebook, Google, and the rest of the subversive left coast filth into the Chinese market? The only addition Chinese society would “gain” from such a development would be the addition of POZZ and its worship of the holy trinity of The Homosexual, The Woman, and the Black Athlete.

    The Chinese elites would have to be truly mad to allow something like this to happen. Yeah, let’s open the gates and let in Facebook so that Mark Zuckerberg can become one of the most powerful men in China. While they’re at it they should probably privatize Chinese state media as well and sell them to the guys running such things in the USA. Africa’s population is ballooning after all, so it’s about time the Chinese public is made to understand that you can’t expect to be The Middle Kingdom without letting in a few million horny Africans into China each year.

    Wut?

    May 14, 2019 at EDT pm

    • You don’t understand what is going on in China. The government clucks about corrosive Western influence, but they ALLOW the progressive Western influences that are ACTUALLY corrosive. Do you think it’s less socially corrosive for childless 30-year-old female “PhD” students to endlessly peer at phone-screen photos of each other’s food, just because it’s on a platform where you can’t make fun of the dictator’s wife? Meanwhile, their own one-child policy was as destructive to society as 100 years of our feminism. It was like a fast-forward button on their social disintegration. Their rulers are concerned about their own ability to hold on to power, not about the health of Chinese society. To them, those two things are synonymous. That’s why they freak out when people are calling the dictator “Winnie the Pooh,” but don’t bat an eye when Chinese Sex and the City is broadcasting on their own state television.

      Perturabo

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • I think there’s plenty of evidence that the one-child policy didn’t have that big of an effect. China’s birthrate was substantially higher than that of South Korea and Japan for most of the period and remains much higher today.

        The Chinese government is making efforts to encourage larger families and promote motherhood, and because they control the media, they have the potential to get this message across more thoroughly than Western governments that attempt the same thing but have to compete with Hollywood’s messages. But at the moment, you are correct that Xi is still allowing the media to still send out mixed messages.

        But as I have posted elsewhere, I agree fully that the leadership is primarily concerned with its own ability to hold onto power. They are worried that the economic disruptions caused by an elderly-dominated population could lead to instability. On the other hand, the surge of youth produced by baby booms can also lead to instability (see: Ceausescu’s bullet-riddled corpse). So I think their ideal is to creep back towards 2.0 TFR and then stay there.

        Wency

        May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • +1

        Tanturn

        May 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • What would a 2.0 TFR stabilize their population at? It would obviously be much smaller than the current 1.2B because a lot of people are past the child bearing age.

        destructure

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  19. Regarding Japan, it’s actually traditionally run by the LDP, the Liberal Democratic Party, and ex Imperial Japan fascists and their descendants. There wasn’t an aggressive de-Nazification campaign like in Germany after the war. Right after the war, the US became alarmed at communist expansion in Asia, so they just basically just reinstalled the Imperial Japanese and fascist leaders, aside from executing a few of the top figureheads like Tojo, in order to quickly set up an anti-communist regime in Japan.

    Japan does have military ambitions, and have been patiently biding their time to work towards revoking the pacifist constitution imposed on them by the US. They just haven’t been able to do anything significantly because they’re still militarily occupied by the US. A lot of their leaders are historical revisionists regarding WW2 and are working to remilitarize, but they have to wait for the US to decline and leave the Pacific first.

    Tom

    May 15, 2019 at EDT am

    • (1) The fact that they are following the expectations of the US instead of re-militarizing on their own is shows their alliance with us.
      (2) Of course they want to be ready if the US pulls out.
      (3) Japan militarizing would surely be good for America. They obviously want to counter China, not America.
      (4) The interesting thing is that the US and Japan were friends long before WWII. The cherry blossoms at the National Mall were a gift from Japan in 1912.

      Dan

      May 15, 2019 at EDT am

    • After 70 years under the American nuclear umbrella, the US still does not totally trust Japan and Germany. Many American lives were lost a few decades ago. Why do you think American troops are still stationed there?

      cesqy

      May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Why do you think American troops are still stationed there?”

        Because His Sanctified Highness John Bolton wills it. And all the neocon establishment before him.

        Dan

        May 16, 2019 at EDT am

    • “They just haven’t been able to do anything significantly because they’re still militarily occupied by the US.”

      They haven’t been able to do anything significantly because they’re desperately dependent on the US to keep China at bay.

      “A lot of their leaders are historical revisionists regarding WW2 and are working to remilitarize, but they have to wait for the US to decline and leave the Pacific first.”

      True dat. I’ve run into some of their historical revisionists. Their story is that they weren’t trying to conquer Asia or massacre people. They were just “liberating” them from western imperialism. *rolls eyes*

      destructure

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  20. OT: Lion, this is important. The White House has a site for reporting censorship on media platforms. Please help promote this link:

    https://whitehouse.typeform.com/to/Jti9QH

    peterike

    May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

  21. I agree with your basic point, put according to Fingleton this is not true: Japan is like other western Democracies with freedoms including free speech.

    gothamette

    May 15, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Not really. There is no clear correlation between legal and constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and actual practices among Asian nations, including Japan.

      My 2¢

      May 16, 2019 at EDT am

    • Free speech rapidly disappearing outside the US. I was watching a vid today. Some woman was carrying an “Allah is gay” sign in the UK. The police forcibly seized it.

      Frau Katze

      May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

  22. china is not a danger…china may be the savior of the white race…we need someone to take down our evil, out of control elites…our elites have gone against the white majority and have facilitated mass immigration and waged war on whites…china could wage war against our elites…china could put a nuke up washington DC’s tailpipe and allow us to start over again…china, russia, iran, all our friends…the enemy is in DC…I assumed you understood this…strange…

    anon

    May 16, 2019 at EDT am

    • “china may be the savior of the white race” That sounds like a fevered dream. Just because our elite hate us, how does it follow that China will save us? They almost certainly favor Biden and the left-establishment that will not challenge them. They happily participate in the destruction of Americans by supplying opioids / fentanyl. Has there been any evidence that they care about us?

      Dan

      May 16, 2019 at EDT am

      • “That sounds like a fevered dream.”

        It sounds like a chinese guy making very transparent arguments. See the other comment he made on this thread.

        destructure

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @destructure China pays people to write favourable comments at various news sites. Lion would really be hitting the big time if he had one such. More likely a volunteer.

        Frau Katze

        May 16, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Red China will be a vastly better overlord than our current rulers. The US economy is largely kept afloat by them and they’re basically keeping American film making alive with their massive market forcing Hollywood to produce decent stuff and not just cater to the woke demographic in America/Europe. Anyone NOT aligning with America’s enemies is controlled opposition, a cuck, or simply deluded. America and the so called “free world” is toxic. The final red pill is the communist one and understanding that America’s salvation will come from abroad.

        redarmyvodka

        May 17, 2019 at EDT am

      • Red China doesn’t have useless parasites that suck and loaf in their “hoods” and “barrios” with an attitude. Their majority aren’t slothful and shiftless at the expense of taxpayers. Repressive Eastern Asiatics aren’t generous with their own to induce such activity.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 17, 2019 at EDT am

  23. There is an example that Trump should use on protectionism.

    In 1993, Europe decided to put an 48% tariff on bike importation. The industry has been saved in Europe.

    The USA didn’t . The industry is dead and 95% of the bikes come from Asia. Are the european consumers any worse off because their bikes are not coming from China ? No. Bikes have a better quality/price ratio and there is a premium market.

    Bruno

    May 17, 2019 at EDT am

  24. And electrical bikes weren’t tariffed. In 2017, UE decided tariffs between 20% and 80% on electrical bikes and importation went from 120k a month to 10k a month or more than 90% reduction.

    And it has pushed production. Now UE exports bikes to the USA …

    Trump should give the bike example because it’s simple.

    Bruno

    May 17, 2019 at EDT am

    • Those are good examples that I wasn’t aware of, but the US has plenty of similar examples in our trade history. In the 80’s Reagan imposed “voluntary” quotas on Japanese automobiles, and the upshot of that were Japanese companies building assembly plants in the US to avoid the “voluntary” quotas. We wouldn’t have a foreign car assembly industry in the US today were it not for that.

      Mike Street Station

      May 18, 2019 at EDT am

  25. I wonder if you are referring to a comment I made. My point about China being like Japan is the demographic comparison. China is doomed because of the self inflicted demographic disaster the one child policy created. Not having children and stopping nearly all immigration is the issue that caused Japan’s GDP to stall for the last two decades and it is going to hurt China economically big time. They are transitioning to a consumption economy right at the time they are rapidly becoming an old nation…following the path of Japan. When (not IF) the Chinese economy stalls and hits a recession in the next five years and unemployment rises, the unelected government may struggle to hold it all together. Unemployed people tend to march…which is dangerous in China.

    However, I am not suggesting the current unelected government in China is not dangerous. Even in decline the leaders will be dangerous (even more dangerous) until they are eventually thrown out and China become a democracy like Taiwan. No idea how long that will take but I believe a dictatorship has to end eventually.

    • ” Not having children and stopping nearly all immigration is the issue that caused Japan’s GDP to stall for the last two decades…”

      What? Japan used to have open immigration? I’m not buying that.

      Mike Street Station

      May 18, 2019 at EDT am


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