Lion of the Blogosphere

Hispanics to become non-minority?

Peter from Long Island, who normally posts off-topic comments about girls shooting guns, writes the following:

This may be a very controversial thing to say, but based on my dealings with people, especially while working at the Major Home Improvement Retailer, it’s my very tentative impression that Hispanics are *not* permanently destined to be minorities and barred from assimilating into the white population. Ones who speak unaccented English and appear to accept mainstream culture just don’t give off a “minority” aura even if they look a bit different from ordinary white people. You more or less stop thinking of them as minorities at all. This is different than with blacks, who regardless of culture and physical appearance do not cease being obvious minorities.

I totally agree with this. My experience working at a corporation is the same. Most of the white collar Hispanics at my company speak perfect unaccented American English (such that you couldn’t detect their race if you only knew them from the telephone) and don’t have any chip on their shoulder about being a minority. I would say the opposite about most blacks. Plus blacks are disproportionately likely to be annoying to work with or incompetent. (Not ALL blacks, but a disproportionate share compared to Hispanics or whites.)

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May 23, 2019 at EDT am

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  1. Obviously many Hispanics are white. White and Hispanic are by no means mutually exclusive even if most Mexicans are mestizo.

    Max

    May 23, 2019 at EDT am

  2. But who are the majority of hispanics? Lighter-skinned white collar workers OR short & portly parking attendants, custodians, construction workers etc?

    BTW, I’d say the latter probably do more valuable and harder work.

    fakeemail

    May 23, 2019 at EDT am

    • The point that Lion was trying to make is that Hispanics are a better group of people to deal with than blacks in workplace settings. You go to a Whole Foods in Manhattan and pay top dollar for their products, only to get some snarly black person at the register who hates you, because he or she thinks that you’re a snob with deep pockets for organic food.

      Then you got them proles who got other issues, quite a number of them are like them n–gas, man. It must be an American chip on the shoulder thing!

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • > get some snarly black person

        This is actually a northern thing, I was surprised to find. When you are properly down south most of the blacks you’ll deal with are in a good mood and pleasant.

        bobbybobbob

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Then you got them proles who got other issues, quite a number of them are like them n–gas, man. It must be an American chip on the shoulder thing!”

        Of course, there are some really bad working class people. And people tend to remember the bad ones more. But the typical working class person (white or black) is actually much more genuine and friendly than the typical swpl. I would even go so far as to say that I prefer the average working class black to the average swpl. Of course, there’s a non-insignificant minority of blacks who are violent criminals whereas that’s extremely rare among swpls. And that violent minority is enough to make people’s lives miserable. But I’m talking about the average not the outliers.

        PS: Have you never heard of a demonstrative pronoun?

        destructure

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “This is actually a northern thing, I was surprised to find. When you are properly down south most of the blacks you’ll deal with are in a good mood and pleasant.”

        As a Southerner, that has mostly been my experience.

        Mike Street Station

        May 25, 2019 at EDT am

  3. This argument is sometimes given to debunk White Genocide. That is, some argue that immigration and other policies are systematically reducing the status of white people, as a percentage of the population and in influence. Others argue that hispanics will eventually be considered white, so the white population is not really declining.

    Roger

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • They’ve always been considered white (until relatively recently). Look at the history of the U.S. census, which still classifies them as white because of bureaucratic inertia. The only question is whether current social forces (white guilt, victimization hierarchy, affirmative action cash/prizes, mass immigration leading to ghettoization) will be enough of a push to permanently dislodge them from the social grouping. I don’t think there’s any question that, were they left to their own devices, American Hispanics would just merge into the general white population through socialization and intermarriage.

      Richard

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • None of the Hispanics I’ve known have given off any signs of buying into the victimization scheme or having a sense of entitlement.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. Peter’s contention can be refuted with one word: Carranza. Don’t you NYC’ers keep up with the news?

    Department 11

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Who really likes Eastern Asiatics? Elites Whites aren’t so fond of them for the same reason as Carranza.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The left needs to stop pushing racist radicals like Carranza. In the meantime, I find it amusing that smug new yorkers are getting beat with the same stick they’ve spent decades beating my folks with.

      destructure

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  5. I dunno, they still look pretty Hispanic and clearly “not white.” In New York City, it seems that all the doctors and dentist offices are stuffed with Hispanic women working the administrative jobs. They seem to do a competent job, but they are obviously alien and don’t in the least present as “white.” I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a truly white Hispanic in this kind of job. Seems heavily Dominican and Puerto Rican. Maybe higher end Mexican as well. It’s never a dumpy little Mestizo, though. Higher white admixture, yes, but not white.

    There’s even something obviously different about the very white Argentinian, Brazilian, Chilean types you occasionally come across. It’s just like you can often easily spot white Europeans as being not American. I don’t care if they’re British, German, French, Swedish, Russian, Polish, etc. They stand out clearly. It’s even more the case with South Americans. I couldn’t put my finger on why, but I bet I could guess right (as in, “not American”) about 80% of the time.

    peterike

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • My dentist has a tall white blonde woman with tattoos.

    • You can spot the immigrants but will you be able to spot a second generation or third generation European looking immigrant? I am not so sure.

      Hashed

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. Peter’s right about Spanish-speaking immigrants lacking that chip-on- shoulder so often seen on blacks. But then, they also obviously lack blacks’ size and strength (Peter being blind to the latter). A friend of mine, Mexican/Puerto Rican, and a professional cellist, looks like any white guy. He once co-taught a paralegal class, in which he gave a latina woman a near-failing grade on a test. She told him, “you’re grading me by white standards.”

    Marty

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. Hispanics will have the same experience as Italians in America. Remember that just 50 years ago most Wasps didn’t consider Italians to be white. The northern (non guido) Italians have successfully assimilated into white high society. The southern guido Italians (who are of partly African and middle eastern origins) have not. In much the same way, the Hispanics of Spanish “conquistador” ancestry will fully assimilate into white culture and will be a key bloc of the GOP in coming years. The lower class Amerindian/Mestizos will not. The cuckservative argument of Hispanics being natural conservatives does have some merit but mainly among those who can eventually pass for being white. Again, race is ultimately the most powerful social and political signifier.

    B.T.D.T

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The difference is that after an explosion of Italian immigration (as well as many other groups) we cut it off and greatly reduced immigration. This allowed several generations to assimilate without the drag of a constantly renewing immigrant community. Unfortunately there is no end to our immigration explosion. We are constantly renewing the first generation immigrant community, which retards the assimilation of everyone else.

      Obviously if we could greatly reduce immigration, than Hispanic and other groups would assimilate (“whiteshift” I think they’re calling it now) and just become a normal generic ethnic American given a few generations of assimilation. I just don’t see how we get that space to assimilate with immigration going full bore with no end in sight.

      Mike Street Station

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • BTDT made a reference that Italian Americans with a Renaissance tradition will successfully assimilate into White norms.

        There aren’t many Northern Italians in America, except in California, especially in the San Francisco-Bay Area.

        The bulk of Italian immigration in America comes from the south of Rome.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • A significant portion of the italians on SI are descended from northern italy and have blond hair and blue eyes. This was extremely confusing for me when I first moved here. My mechanic is italian but looks like thor.

        toomanymice

        May 24, 2019 at EDT am

      • There aren’t many residents of Northern Italian descent in SI.

        The blue eyes of guidos come from intermarriage with Northern European Americans who are Catholics like the Irish, German and Polish.

        The Northern Italian community in California is one of the oldest. It predates any Neapolitan or Sicilian entering Ellis Island.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 24, 2019 at EDT am

    • Certain academics who study race and immigrants in America, including an IA made an analogy that Hispanic immigrants are like Italians in America, with a preponderance in manual work, with mid-tier status in the professional world.

      But by far, Italian Americans are irrational hardballs, parochial minded and haven’t made the last step of “being open minded” among the White groups in a world of liberalism. Hispanics aren’t any of this. This is where the similarities end, just because IAs tend to lean Republican, it wouldn’t be the same flavor with Hispanics leaning Republican.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • My rich restaurateur friend, who came here from Sicily in 1978, recently did a 23&me. His result came back 0% African, 96% euro, 4% “caucasian.”

      Marty

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  8. What about illegal “immigrants”?

    Or are these not the droids you’re looking for? Likely not a whole lot of “white collar Hispanics” there, right?

    1.2 million (over 100k/mth currently) non-white collar illegal Hispanics per year vs. 100,000 (maybe?) white-collar legal Hispanics per year.

    I’m no Math scholar, but even I can see that Peter’s “very tentative impression” is doomed to be recalibrated.

    gda53

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I see these very short and very dark-skinned Hispanic types delivering food, none of the white-collar Hispanics look like that.

  9. I have noticed this as well. Many of the young Hispanic guys and gals in their late teens and early 20s that you encounter in retail stores and stuff speak unaccented American English and don’t act foreign.

    However, it was never really about whether or not Hispanics could assimilate. The insinuation that Hispanics would never be able to do basic stuff like speak unaccented English was obviously always bogus. It was/is mainly a way to oppose immigration in relatively PC terms.

    Tom

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  10. Doesn’t their assimilation depend on their willingness to reject tribal politics, like white people have, and to decide issues on their merits irrespective of tribal interests? You won’t know that by their accent. I would speculate that on this test, middle class Hispanics generally still have a way to go towards assimilation.

    lioncub

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. I do read the news and I can refute your refutation by saying that Carranza gets his power from white traitors such as de Blasio and other white SJW scum.

    The majority of Hispanics don’t subscribe to or practice Carranza-ism.

    I can also personally attest to what Lion and Peter have pointed out. Also most of the assimilated Hispanics I deal with tend to be more prole. Yet they speak virtually unaccented English, or unaccented English.

    It will be interesting to see the long-term effects of successful Hispanic assimilation in the country.

    Fun fact: 25 years ago I was visiting Texas and staying with a Texas-born friend. She pointed out that when Mexican-Americans assimilated they did not speak English with a Texas accent. All white Anglo Texans have something of a Texas accent. LBJ had a thick one, Laura Bush has a slight one, Molly Ivins had one, and so on. Not Mexican-Americans. They speak English like white mid-Westerners. Maybe this has changed but I noticed that her observation was accurate then.

    Occasionally I visit Queens and on the subway there are many 1st generation Mexican-American kids. Same thing is going on with them: they are taller than their parents (a lot!) and they speak non-New York English. Their behavior is middle-class white American.

    This is not true of Dominican-Americans. They do NOT assimilate to middle class white norms. They are assimilating to a semi-African-American Dominican-American ghetto norm. Not good.

    What’s going on?

    I can also attest to the fact that the smallest interactions with blacks are fraught and tense. It’s so tiresome. I’ve learned to ZFG.

    gothamette

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • African immigrants and Caribbean blacks are often friendly and helpful, in my experience.

      Gozo

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Agree, but what do their kids assimilate to?

        By the way, I have noticed that the children of Haitian immigrants learn to speak standard English.

        Never heard ebonics coming from any of them.

        gothamette

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • But Dominocans are perhaps one of the self-hating Hispanics you come across and wish they were White.

      Some of the bank tellers in NYC, whether it’s Chase, Citibank, whatever, I can see the Alex Rodriguez among them, especially when they interact with snowflakes. They strive to look proper when Whites are around.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • What’s going on? Dominicans are of African descent, Mexicans are not. Isn’t it that simple?

      Peter Akuleyev

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “All white Anglo Texans have something of a Texas accent. LBJ had a thick one, Laura Bush has a slight one, Molly Ivins had one, and so on. Not Mexican-Americans. They speak English like white mid-Westerners.”

      For example, Julian Castro, who indeed sounds like a white midwesterner despite being obviously Mestizo.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      May 24, 2019 at EDT pm

      • What accounts for this strange phenomenon in your opinion?

        gothamette

        May 25, 2019 at EDT am

      • I know there is an anti-Hispanic sentiment on this blog as with most right-o-sphere blogs.

        Mestizos, Middle Easterners and South Asians will be accepted into the White Anglo majority without questions asked. It’s only a matter of time. Their roles aren’t very threatening like that of the Eastern Asiatics who have higher IQs, or too stupid and physically different like blacks, and from a HBD standpoint, Eastern Asiatics and blacks also behave very differently from Caucasoids.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 25, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “This is not true of Dominican-Americans. They do NOT assimilate to middle class white norms. They are assimilating to a semi-African-American Dominican-American ghetto norm. Not good.”

      Not the case with the Dominicans I’ve known. Even the more African-looking ones do not assimilate to black ghetto norms, to be fair I haven’t known all that many Dominicans but I believe it’s a reasonable assumption. And Washington Heights, the heavily Dominican part of Manhattan, is a very safe area.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      May 25, 2019 at EDT pm

  12. Quote from iSteve commenter today:

    I live in NYC where every group hates every other group.

    Vipltd

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • NYC is a microcosm of what the Anglo Monde is about. Segregated groups who only associate with others in a very petty and mercantile fashion.

      However, outside of NYC and London, the entire Anglosphere is total time-bomb ready to tick and explode.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. True for mestizos and “white Hispanics,” who have constituted the vast majority of Hispanic immigrants for most of American history.

    However, more and more of the immigrants (particularly from Central America) are, for all intents and purposes, Native Americans, not mestizos. Also, when we are constantly refreshing our supply of brand new Hispanic immigrants, it’s hard for the assimilated ones to shake that aura of “otherness.” Imagine if we hadn’t had a big immigration break from 1926-1965, and Italians and Eastern Europeans had kept poring in: they’d still give off a vibe of “otherness,” too.

    If we closed the southern border for forty years, the “Hispanics are the new Italians” line would come true. But I’m skeptical, given the current situation.

    /son of well assimilated mestizo.

    • Agree with Seth.

      “I live in NYC where every group hates every other group.”

      False, but to be expected from a from an Unz commenter. I expect heartiste to show up there any day now.

      gothamette

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  14. Many blacks live in a totally paranoid world. I was sitting on a park bench next to a middle aged man and woman, both black, a few days ago. They were not ghetto, but rather working class. They were discussing, absolutely seriously, how Donald Trump is building big prisons all over the south, to put black people in. I have overheard similar conversations many times, including from upper-middle-class blacks. They won’t say this to a white person’s face, but they really believe it, and discuss it amongst themselves.

    I don’t get the impression that Hispanics bother with this racial paranoia. Whatever their socio-economic class, they are too busy working to bother with such nonsense.

    Amused Observeron a

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Can’t speak for Hispanics as don’t have any such acquaintances there. But second generation Indians have also less accents and also are not going to be crowding in lower pay IT industry but rather going to be pursuing lucrative careers such as medicine or medical.

      mpt

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • People often confuse Pakistanis, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis as Indian, who tend occupy lower occupational niches. They aren’t that different from Indians in appearance and accent. But most of them have an association with Islam. The only silver lining coming from them is their willingness to listen and appreciate, if you start talking about anything Islamic, even if it pertains to snobby academic intellectual stuff. Most Indians know nothing about Islam (except the Moguls and Pakistan) and often speak negatively about them.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • > Ok, what, who’s this again?: People often confuse Pakistanis, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis as Indian

        What’s the confusion? Three of the 4 were the same country until 1947, and the other is just off the coast. Ethnically, they are all the same.

        ScarletNumber

        May 27, 2019 at EDT am

    • This reminds me of how Lawrence Auster wrote that one of the turning points in his thinking about blacks was when he saw a “Nightline” with a panel of successful, articulate black professionals endorsing the notion of a white conspiracy to commit “genocide” against blacks. (Auster didn’t say if there was a specific conspiracy theory they endorsed, but given the time period, it might have been the idea that the US government created the HIV virus to decimate blacks, a popular idea at the time.)

      Hermes

      May 24, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The false myth inherited by Blacks is that their self-evident troubles are caused by slavery genetics rather than the poverty trap, ie public welfare administration. They are the group with the lives with the most government intervention in the country, from cradle to grave, de facto inhibiting social promotion from the natural aggregation of stable family network effects.

      A Dilettante

      May 24, 2019 at EDT pm

  15. IME it’s been touch and go, maybe 50/50 at best. Not sure it can be broken down clearly by nation of origin but puerto ricans have a chip on their shoulder attitude that other hispanic groups lack. They and dominicans seem more vulnerable to ghetto influence. I know a mexican family (not white hispanic and definitely poor) where the kids speak perfect, no accent english. Two of the kids have engineering and comp sci degrees respectively. They listen to classic rock.

    It would seem nyc mexican culture is very different from, say, LA mexican culture but that’s just my impression(?).

    White south americans don’t even consider themselves in the same category as most hispanics. My father was born and raised in argentina but if you ask him ‘what he is’ he will usually say german. He does root for argentina over germany when it comes to soccer.

    Rodriguez would be a good example of a 1rst generation mexican who completely assimilated to white culture. He sounds exactly like bob dylan, just better.

    As an aside, first generation indians often seem assimilated in a similar way when it comes to standard english and culture (pop culture or otherwise).

    toomanymice

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • It has to do with greater Meriprolestan and its requirement to integrate by adapting to White norms, if one needs to become successful, as in the case with Mexicans.

      Puerto Ricans and Dominicans live mostly in the NYC-Tristate Area, where bubbles of self-segregation like Staten Island does more harm to Italians than benefit them. Furthermore, many of them are found in Florida, who attract these New Yorkers, who relish their prolier and less worldly saavy manners in a warmer climate.

      Now the question begs as to why NYC is a status central, the mecca of the world, despite many of its citizens are some of the most ignorant and insulated fellas you will find on planet earth. The city is both very cosmopolitan and parochial at the same time.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “I know a mexican family (not white hispanic and definitely poor) where the kids speak perfect, no accent english.”

      Do they even have a New York accent? The Mexicans in New York who grow up speaking English don’t even have that.

      “Two of the kids have engineering and comp sci degrees respectively. They listen to classic rock.”

      One Mexican-American kid of my acquaintance is a fanatic Beatles fan.

      yes, I do think there’s a difference between Los Angeles Mexican culture and NYCB Mexican culture. The latter is much more conducive to white middle class assimilation. Los Angeles Mexicans assimilate to a low class cholo culture.

      gothamette

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Mexicans were huge contemporary fans of The Doors. Hard to find a whiter group than that. I don’t know the racial makeup of the Mexican Doors fans in the late 60s. [In case this comment appears as a general comment, I was trying to comment on Gothamette’s comment on Mexican Americans. I clicked on the Reply button below her comment, I really did]

        Stronger Than Dirt

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • They have the slightest nyc/SI accent but nowhere near approaching the thick accent of SI guidos. My italian neighbor grew up in canarsie and we have genuine difficulty understanding each other. In its thickest form guido-speak approaches a dialect.

        I guess the mexican kids are learning english from teachers and tv which might explain the lack of regional accent. Even teachers who speak with a local accent usually steer out of it somewhat in the classroom.

        toomanymice

        May 24, 2019 at EDT am

      • “Hard to find a whiter group than that”

        You bet. Jim Morrison’s father was an admiral in the US Navy. I think I read somewhere that he commended a ship that had something to do with the gulf of Tonkin incident.

        “Learning English from TV”

        Blacks could do that, but they don’t. Six generations off the plantation, and they still speak the dialect.

        There’s something going on with Mexicans. They really want to assimilate!

        gothamette

        May 24, 2019 at EDT pm

      • > gothamette: I think I read somewhere that [Jim Morrison’s father] commended [sic] a ship that had something to do with the gulf of Tonkin incident.

        It’s 2019, you don’t have to wonder any more.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephen_Morrison

        ScarletNumber

        May 27, 2019 at EDT am

      • Never doubt me.

        gothamette

        May 27, 2019 at EDT pm

  16. The south Florida neighborhood I reside in has a high population of Venezuelan immigrants (who tend to be well educated) and middle class Cuban-Americans —— in appearance and cultural behavior, they are white. Calling them “non-white” would be quite bizarre.

    markus

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  17. Lest anyone think I’ve abandoned my usual commenting style, here’s a short video of a chick shooting a lever action 45-70. Laura is not a hottie but seems to be an everyday sort of girl, the sort who works in the next cubicle or is your friend’s new girlfriend, that sort of thing, even if she isn’t the type you’d expect to be a VIP hostess at a top Las Vegas sausage party nightclub.

    Anyway, Laura does a reasonably good job handling a beast of a round; developed in 1873(!) as the US Army cartridge the 45-70 is the most powerful standard round for lever actions and is capable of dropping a moose or Alaskan brown bear. She’s not afraid to shoot it, which is really the most important thing. I just wish the boyfriend would talk less.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  18. As Las Casas said in the 16th century, violating PC standards even then, blacks are irrational, and thus can be enslaved in the New World, to take the place in bondage of LC’s beloved Indios, whom he presumably found to be rational.

    Las Casas had a point, though. Blacks of all stripes in the U.S. are hugely touchy and paranoid about whites. They think we’re all rich, powerful, and endlessly planning with each other, through some gigantic invisible network, how to deprive black people of…everything. Sure sounds like something an irrational person would think.

    Canistear

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “Blacks of all stripes in the U.S. are hugely touchy and paranoid about whites. They think we’re all rich, powerful, and endlessly planning with each other, through some gigantic invisible network, how to deprive black people of…everything. Sure sounds like something an irrational person would think.”

      That’s exactly how alt-right anti-Semites think about Jews.

      • I’m quite fascinated it how the alternative right has responded to the end of The Game of thrones.

        Most of them are very pleased with it, but the chief Nazi hates it because it made a blond woman look bad. Which is weird because he hates women and thinks that women are at base crazy. So he really should have liked it. But his hatred of Jews outweighs his hatred of women. It’s very difficult to keep up with these guys.

        gothamette

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It’s a minor thing, Lion, but often enough when I click on the reply button to a certain commenter, when I post my comment it becomes a general comment, and not put where I meant it to be put. In this particular case I was trying to comment on Amused Observeron’s. But, uh, that’s OK! HA HA! (Please don’t report me to the commissar. I won’t complain about illustrious wordpress again. Thank you.)

        Canistear

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • A Jewish journalist did get Sam Hyde’s show cancelled with one article he wrote in Buzzfeed, which is owned by Jews. You probably don’t know who Sam Hyde is because you’re an old ass Boomer.

        adfadf

        May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Canistear, are you posting on mobile? I’ve had the same problem. The reply field ‘jumps.’

        toomanymice

        May 24, 2019 at EDT am

    • black people are conservative by nature, hence their paranoia and irrationality, which are attributed to their lower Intelligent Quotients. As are Republicans, cuckservatives, bible thumpers, guidos, and on and on…

      Libertarians are the most intelligent among those who are attached to an ideological/political label.

      This blog attracts libertarian types.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Or reformed libertarians. But still the same basic cognitive/personality profile.

        GondwanaMan

        May 25, 2019 at EDT pm

  19. Hasn’t this always been the case before the anti-immigration panic? I mean one way an African American could avoid segregation in the South in the past was to adopt a Spanish name and accent.

    Harmony Pax

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  20. I live in a majority Hispanic city. Around 75% of my workplace is Hispanic both co-workers and customers/clients. Unlike many blacks, Hispanics are not angry people. They don’t have a chip on their shoulder. They think of themselves as people who happen to be Hispanic, unlike many blacks who think of themselves as black first and see the world through a racial lens.

    Jay Fink

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  21. There are three Hispanic women, I believe Salvadoran, who take care of the plants at the Major Home Improvement Retailer. They seem pleasant, although I don’t know them too well as they work for a nursery rather than the MHIR. All three of them women are quite dark, obviously more Indio than mestizo, and speak somewhat limited though understandable English.
    One of the women, the youngest one who seems to be in her early 20’s, dyes her hair electric blue and has multiple facial piercings (and God known how many I can’t see). I’d say that she has assimilated to American culture very well indeed!

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    May 23, 2019 at EDT pm

  22. I’m Hispanic. Black hair, nearly black eyes with very light brown skin. In another life, I was a sales person for a chemical company. Most of what I did was on the phone but I would be expected to meet customers.

    I often received two responses in my initial meetings. First, they thought I’d be taller. The second was that they thought I was a blonde surfer dude.

    I am from SoCal, so I kinda get the surfer thing. I do say “dude” too much. I’m not sure why anyone and everyone thought my height was an appropriate topic for discussion. I’m 5’8, not exactly a wee man.

    My dad didn’t speak any English the first day he went to school. Now, in his seventies, he has trouble speaking Spanish. My entire life, neither my father or mother spoke English with any hint of an accent.

    Just my personal experience.

    ibejeph

    May 24, 2019 at EDT am

    • I work with a young Hispanic woman who grew up here and can’t speak a word of Spanish. She lives with her grandma who can’t speak a word of English. They have a close bond but have never had a conversation before.

      There is a blog I read where they insist Hispanics don’t assimilate. They call it “anti-assimilation”. They must not be around many Hispanics if they actually believe that.

      I am around your height (5’7) and was a radio DJ for many years. Anytime I met listeners they would comment on my height “You don’t sound short”. Once a grade school teacher requested that I read a book for her students. I was nice enough to do it. As soon as I walked in the door she was shocked and disappointed “I didn’t know you are short…you don’t sound short”. She seemed so pissed at my height I thought she was going to kick me out of her classroom.

      Probably because many are short themselves, Hispanics do not seem height obsessed like whites are. I have never had a Hispanic make a negative comment to me about my height. One thing that amazes me is I will see Latinas wearing high heels which make them taller than their husband/boyfriend and they are totally comfortable with that. White women would have a serious problem with this.

      Jay Fink

      May 24, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “I will see Latinas wearing high heels which make them taller than their husband/boyfriend and they are totally comfortable with that. White women would have a serious problem with this.” – this is also true with Italians and Spaniards.

        anonymous1001

        May 24, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Around ’93 I was at a baseball game and Don Drysdale, the 6’5″ ex-Dodgers pitcher, tgen a broadcaster, walked by. The lady next me goes, “he doesn’t sound that tall.”

        Vipltd

        May 26, 2019 at EDT pm

  23. Mestizo America is promising from a civic nationalist perspective, but troublesome from an explicit white identity perspective, for the same reason. The reason is that by definition mestizo people are of mixed, partly white ancestry. This makes it impossible to draw a clear line of who is white and who isn’t. I’ve certainly known some Hispanic people who clearly had non-trivial Latin American Indian ancestry but nevertheless were culturally de facto whites. In addition to the key fact of growing up in the U.S. rather than being immigrants, this de facto white-ness presumably correlates somewhat with higher IQ and higher % of European ancestry (higher than the average mestizo American).

    If mass immigration were to end tomorrow, what would stand in the way of Hispanic Americans being fully adopted into the “default white American” category the way Italians were would be: a) lower heritable IQ, which will depend a lot on the family’s ancestral mix; b) modern Poz culture that promotes anti-white racial grievance, creating a strong incentive to maintain an identity as non-white; c) explicit affirmative action rules creating the same incentive; d) cultural traditions, if any, from the old country that define “us” as a specifically non-white people. The last one, if it exists in the first place, would presumably fade on its own in the absence of Poz culture if the people in question aren’t obvious visible minorities.

    Blue Tribe Dissident

    May 25, 2019 at EDT pm

  24. > Peter from Long Island, who normally posts off-topic comments about girls shooting guns

    Peter from Long Island, who normally posts off-topic comments about the grooming habits of women and Home Depot and his failed career as an insurance salesman.

    ScarletNumber

    May 27, 2019 at EDT am

  25. American Hispanics undergo what’s called “ethnic attrition” meaning they stop identifying as Hispanic and start identifying as generic American white guys.

    Think about it. In 2000 Florida split evenly between Bush and Gore. After 18 years of diversification it has become more Republican. Why? Answer is that lots of Hispanics in Florida have started identifying as white.

    Its very hard to pick up on this because pollsters ask people “Are you Hispanic, yes or no?” There is no question, “Are you really Hispanic but identify as white due to ethnic attrition.”

    They should do a poll where they ask Americans, “Did 2 or more of your grandparents speak Spanish as a native language?”

    Jimi

    May 28, 2019 at EDT pm


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