Lion of the Blogosphere

I don’t care about Martin Luther King

George Washington shouldn’t stop being the Father of our Country just because he owned slaves.

And Martin Luther King shouldn’t stop being a great civil rights leader just because he had a healthy sexual appetite.

I also don’t care about Trump’s locker-room talk with that stupid Access Hollywood host.

Let bygones be bygones.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 30, 2019 at 10:51 AM

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  1. I also don’t care about Martin Luther King, but what that means to me is that I don’t think every street in America should be renamed after him.

    Hermes

    May 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM

    • Every street isn’t. There are several times as many streets named after George Washington.

      • The guy had a personality and mode of operation very similar to those of Joe McCarthy:

        But Dickstein, a Democrat from New York City who served in the House of Representatives from the early 1920s to the mid-1940s, conducted himself in public life with none of the refined elegance that his self-presentation suggested. At a time when Joseph McCarthy was still an unknown lawyer in Wisconsin, Dickstein invented the modern practice of naming names—broadcasting the identities of suspected subversives without the slightest pretense of due process. If anyone can be credited (or blamed) with introducing the phrase “un-American activities” into the nation’s lexicon, it is he. An unusually shameless publicity hound in a legislative body full of them, Dickstein had a habit of inviting his antagonists to step outside and settle matters like men, once announcing such a fistic challenge to Rep. Thomas L. Blanton of Texas on the House floor. (Blanton appears to have declined.)

        curri

        May 31, 2019 at 12:27 PM

  2. This is the problem with SJWs : if a historical figure lacked ’21st century western values’, he’s evil.

    markus

    May 30, 2019 at 11:26 AM

    • The allegation that’s new to me is that MLK watched a pastor rape a woman while giving the rapist advice about how to better rape her. If that’s true, he’s evil.

      When it comes to MLK, the problem with SJWs is that they now view his notion of “colorblindness” as an unforgivable form of racism. If you feel comfortable stating that you try to judge people as individuals, you might as well start casually using racial slurs.

      Horace Pinker

      May 30, 2019 at 1:34 PM

  3. Washington was great for leading the revolution, for being the first president, and for being a great example of a leader.

    King was great because he discouraged violent race riots, and he was shot.

    No one is afraid to say Washington owned slaves.

    The truth about King has been largely known for a long time, but people are afraid to say it, because it is devastating to his reputation.

    Roger

    May 30, 2019 at 11:59 AM

  4. The recent MLK revelations aren’t new, they just have more detail. And the MSM has basically ignored them, so I don’t think you have to worry about MLK getting the revisionist history treatment.

    Mike Street Station

    May 30, 2019 at 12:01 PM

    • “The recent MLK revelations aren’t new, they just have more detail.”

      The rape revelation is new, and Garrow said that the scale and brazenness of Kings infidelity was shocking. He had already written about Kings infidelity in his 1987 biography. He thought that King had had about 10 or 12 extramarital affairs.

      He wasn’t looking for more dirt on King. Really, the reason he was researching was because he wanted to nail down the extent of the FBI surveillance of King, who is still a hero to him. Apparently these revelations were inadvertently released with respect to JFK.

      By the way, and I think that this is extremely important, I wasn’t aware that David Garrow wrote a book about Obama a couple of years ago called Rising Star. It was buried by the literary political establishment because it examines the chosen one with the sympathetic but critical eye, and it discovered previous girlfriends and cast his marriage to Michelle in a rather cynical light.

      I’m going to take it out of the library now.

      gothamette

      May 31, 2019 at 9:39 AM

      • I think that King has been dead for 51 years and no one cares except for the alt right.

        (Of course, if a dead white guy had the same #metoo problems, SJWs would care a lot about that because they are hypocrites.)

      • No, you are wrong that no one cares.

        I’ve already read things by white historians who say that it’s going to change their opinion of MLK.

        Blacks will stand by him, of course, but the decent liberals, which everyone here makes fun of but they do exist and they do have some honor, will turn away.

        it’s not going to happen overnight. Nobody’s going to start shrieking oh I hate MLK. But the coldness will be there. I see it already.

        concurrent to that will be the destruction of David Garrow’s social standing and reputation.

        gothamette

        May 31, 2019 at 6:23 PM

      • When you finish, please give a review of the Garrow book on Obama.

        Mike Street Station

        June 1, 2019 at 8:01 AM

      • Ok, but as the book is over 1000 pages you’ll have to wait!

        gothamette

        June 1, 2019 at 1:32 PM

      • “Ok, but as the book is over 1000 pages you’ll have to wait!”

        I’m sure that will be quicker than me reading it.

        Mike Street Station

        June 1, 2019 at 5:03 PM

      • I was reading Dave gyros website yesterday, and I saw that he has wandered off the reservation with respect to Trump as well.

        Not that he’s a Trump fan, but he thinks that the investigation was basically the FBI gone mad based upon a flimsy fabricated intelligence hoax, i.e., the Steele dossier.

        Y’all go over to his website davidgarrow.com and look for the article.

        This, plus the Obama book, plus the MLK revelations will destroy his career irrevocably.

        By the way, he wasn’t looking to harm MLK, he was simply interested in seeing if there was anything new on a website about the JFK assassination that had to do with MLK.

        gothamette

        June 2, 2019 at 9:10 AM

    • “Garrow said that the scale and brazenness of Kings infidelity was shocking.“

      Just shows how effective defamation is and how unreliable the practice of history. FBI agents said much the same in contemporaneous reports but were given the ‘not credible’ treatment. As it turns out, they were reliable narrators.

      Curle

      May 31, 2019 at 10:38 PM

  5. Saying that MLK had a “healthy sexual appetite” is like saying that a compulsive eater has a healthy food appetite.

    I sometimes wonder about you, Lion. So smart, and yet, so dumb.

    gothamette

    May 30, 2019 at 12:02 PM

    • Yes, Lion can be so daft that one does wonder if he knows anything. Very superficial thinking.

      This wasn’t a “healthy” appetite. This was degenerate, predatory, and hateful. It’s not that MLK wasn’t a saint in reality; he was a THUG!

      MLK and the civil rights was a fraud. Only cuckservatives still believe in “the dream” of “content of their character” colorblindness or somesuch baloney.

      fakeemail

      May 30, 2019 at 2:20 PM

      • I agree with Ann Coulter on this. vil Rights

        gothamette

        May 30, 2019 at 5:07 PM

      • Oops sorry click to quickly. The civil Rights movement was won in the courtroom. All the rest of it was theater.

        Sometimes I wonder why I waste my time on Lyon. I guess I have time to waste.

        gothamette

        May 30, 2019 at 5:07 PM

      • “The civil Rights movement was won in the courtroom.“

        The civil rights movement was won when Germany collapsed and FDR’s nationwide network of Bolsheviks were able to kill off Roy Cohen’s resurgent Right replacing it with Buckleyism.

        Curle

        May 30, 2019 at 10:25 PM

      • I was reading Dave gyros website yesterday, and I saw that he has wandered off the reservation with respect to Trump as well.

        Not that he’s a Trump fan, but he thinks that the investigation was basically the FBI gone mad based upon a flimsy fabricated intelligence hoax, i.e., the Steele dossier.

        Y’all go over to his website davidgarrow.com and look for the article.

        This, plus the Obama book, plus the MLK revelations will destroy his career irrevocably.

        By the way, he wasn’t looking to harm MLK, he was simply interested in seeing if there was anything new on a website about the JFK assassination that had to do with MLK.

        gothamette

        June 2, 2019 at 9:11 AM

  6. The real issue here is what happens in 2027 when all the tapes are to be released. I say it will never happen.

    And in 100 years? What will people make of MLK and our enforced worship of him then? Will the US even exist then?

    gothamette

    May 30, 2019 at 12:03 PM

  7. The only place less safe than MLK Street for a white guy is Malcolm X Boulevard.

    Oswald Spengler

    May 30, 2019 at 12:05 PM

    • Malcolm X was a lot smarter than MLK. King was just being used by the Democrat establishment, and still is to this day.

      B.T.D.T.

      May 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM

      • Yes. The wisest thing I understand X to have said is something like the 60s civil rights movement is happening way too suddenly, overnight, and that it can only work if it’s done gradually, for maybe 100 years, before there will be a chance at black assimilation into the U.S.

        He was right, whether or not one thinks Americans as a whole owed blacks anything at all and whether or not there should have even been acceptance of such a movement.

        I Can Read!

        May 30, 2019 at 7:49 PM

      • MLK was an commie. Malcolm actually cared about black people.

        Curle

        May 30, 2019 at 10:26 PM

      • Booker T. Washington was by far the most insightful Black leader. He understood the intellectual and behavioral limitations of the large majority of Black citizens, which is something few realize even today.

        Lewis Medlock

        May 31, 2019 at 10:07 PM

    • Reminds me of the old Chris Rock joke about the time he got a call from a friend who said “I’m lost. I’m on MLK Blvd. What should I do?” “Run!”

      370H55V

      May 30, 2019 at 5:33 PM

    • I was in Chattanooga once in 2008. I found myself on a street called Martin Luther King and it had sidewalk cafes with actual 20 somethings, many of them white, sitting there outside behaving like normal 20 something white people. I couldn’t believe it. Talk about an exception that proves the rule.

      Ice Cream

      May 30, 2019 at 6:47 PM

      • Is Chattanooga actually in mountains or is it in a valley surrounded by mountains? Is it pretty?

        I drove through Scranton once, and I was surprised at how charming it was. It’s in the mountains or rather hills.

        gothamette

        May 31, 2019 at 9:45 AM

      • I was in Chattanooga once in 2008.

        You expected to see lots of black people in a small city in the Appalachian mountains?

        Black people flee from uplands and high altitude areas the same way that they flee from responsibility. Blacks have little appreciation for natural beauty or for low-density living, and mountains and hills make it hard to walk to the store or access government services.

        Tennessee is only about 15% black, which is very low for the South, and a huge fraction of those are in the Memphis region.

        Both Nashville and Chattanooga are very white for Southern metros. You even have some poor whites living in the urban core in both places, but you no longer see poor or working-class whites who are urban in places like Charlotte, Birmingham or Atlanta.

        Camlost

        May 31, 2019 at 3:43 PM

      • “Blacks have little appreciation for natural beauty”

        I don’t know if all of that is true, but I have definitely observed that black people don’t care much trees. Or nature in general. While Germanic whites love trees and nature the most.

      • It’s 33% black.

        gothamette

        May 31, 2019 at 7:35 PM

      • Chattanooga is in a valley, but its nearby western wealthy suburb, Lookout Mountain, is on top of a mountain. Lookout Mountain, the mountain not the town, was mentioned by name in MLK’s I Have a Dream speech. That’s why it’s appropriate for Chattanooga to have a street named after him, and not just as a meaningless token “gift” to local blacks.

        Both the mountain and the city are very pretty. The mountain to the east of Chattanooga is also famous, for the Confederate forces’ collapse in the battle of Chattanooga.

        Ice Cream

        May 31, 2019 at 6:30 PM

      • “I was in Chattanooga once in 2008. “

        Did you see Rock City? It’s painted on every barn roof for 50 miles. I figured, “I’m headed there anyway. With so much advertising it might be worth seeing.” Well, it wasn’t.

        destructure

        May 31, 2019 at 7:16 PM

      • “Tennessee is only about 15% black,“

        Tennesseans can thank Andrew Johnson for that. Unlike every other southern state at the end of the war where the Union Army played the rarely mentioned role of keeping blacks bottled up and out of the North, Johnson as president allowed Tennessee blacks to leave, much to the chagrin of northern congressmen. There’s a great scene in one of Faulkner’s novels where migrating slaves attempting to travel north out of MS are met by Union soldiers telling them to return home.

        Curle

        May 31, 2019 at 10:25 PM

  8. I’d like MLK to be judged by the same standard that the founding fathers are judged by.

    Half Canadian

    May 30, 2019 at 12:23 PM

  9. Neiter do blacks. With all that “content of our character” shit, he might as well be Booker T. Washington. By the way, I’ve slept with 11 black women, more than this entire board combined.

    Marty

    May 30, 2019 at 12:30 PM

    • Wow, tell us more!

      • One of them told me she was the sister of the Oakland crack king, Felix Mitchell (who was in federal prison at the tine), and that she had an Uzi under her sweater.

        Marty

        May 30, 2019 at 1:23 PM

      • “more than this entire board combined.”

        I doubt that.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        May 30, 2019 at 1:57 PM

    • Bullshit.

      GondwanaMan

      May 30, 2019 at 2:24 PM

      • No I seen him in da hunters point bars. He’s that white guy with the black wife in all those totally realistic chase bank ads.

        driveallnight

        May 30, 2019 at 6:58 PM

      • BS because 1) a nerd on this site can’t be a player; 2) unlikely a white dude, if he is white, especially on this site, scored that high with black girls; or 3) unlikely his 11 tops the board or even constitutes a top individual score?

        Curle

        May 30, 2019 at 10:39 PM

      • “1) a nerd on this site can’t be a player; 2) unlikely a white dude, if he is white, especially on this site, scored that high with black girls”

        I’ve been a visitor to this blog and others in the Sailersphere, and therefore a believer in HBD and many other things that people discuss here, for a decade. Just about a year ago, for whatever reason, I began finding black women very attractive. Since then I have found that I behave more like a player among black women and that it excites many of them when they learn that you are down with the swirl. I don’t use Tinder right now, but when I did I noticed I swiped right more frequently on black women and that I was much more likely to match with a black woman than a white woman whom I found similarly attractive. Perhaps Marty has experienced something similar.

        Genserico

        May 30, 2019 at 11:16 PM

      • I’m no player but was hit on by a quite a few young black women back in the day. Personally, I would never. But 11 is hardly unrealistic for someone who would.

        destructure

        May 31, 2019 at 2:34 AM

      • Girls really ain’t hard, curle.

        But you’re right that the nerdism/autism on display here does not exactly scream “playas in da house”

        driveallnight

        May 31, 2019 at 10:28 AM

      • We should all be disciples of the prophet Mike Damone

        driveallnight

        May 31, 2019 at 10:56 AM

      • BS because 1) a nerd on this site can’t be a player; 2) unlikely a white dude, if he is white, especially on this site, scored that high with black girls;

        Getting black women in bed is not difficult at all, they’d love attention from men of other races but they don’t get much of it.

        Camlost

        May 31, 2019 at 3:45 PM

      • Do black women even like attention from Asian men?

      • Lol no lion, they don’t

        driveallnight

        June 1, 2019 at 1:16 AM

      • “We should all be disciples of the prophet Mike Damone”

        Yep, he was the Ur-PUA

        Mike Street Station

        June 1, 2019 at 8:26 AM

      • Black women find all Asians and about half of white dudes icky.

        GondwanaMan

        June 1, 2019 at 11:27 AM

      • “Black women find all Asians and about half of white dudes icky.”

        If I were to guess, the percentage of white dudes that black women find icky is probably a lot higher than just half, but since Hollywood has done a lot of AM-BF couples over the past few years, I wonder if the propaganda will pay off eventually.

        Mike Street Station

        June 2, 2019 at 8:49 AM

  10. George Washington built a country. King, according to other civil rights activists, not just the FBI, beat his wife, slept with many dozens of prostitutes, engaged in drunken orgies on a regular basis, beat more than a few of the prostitutes he hired, plagiarized his doctoral thesis, and let marxist revolutionaries write his speeches for him because they thought he was a “slow thinker”. The whole cult of personality built around King is a fraud. All of these revelations about King have been an open secret for decades, but the prestige media has suppressed them, so as not to tarnish the Civil Rights struggle.
    Black people don’t care what King did behind closed doors, because he “helped his people”. It was, and is, whites who have built an aura of holiness around a man that in any other light would be classified as a degenerate.
    If we are going to tear down Jefferson and Washington, then we tear down King as well.

    DaveNYC

    May 30, 2019 at 12:39 PM

    • Not to nitpick but the “cult of personality” is real. The man himself was a fraud.

      Ann Coulter has a great article up about this. Thurgood Marshall despised MLK’s street tactics. The facts are taken from the standard books on the civil rights movement. Read it.

      gothamette

      May 30, 2019 at 2:05 PM

    • `The bees pilfer from this this flower and that, but they turn what they have stolen into honey which is their own; it is no longer thyme or marjoram.`

      Sure King plagiarized, but while he was plagiarizing, he also edited. The works he produced were of better quality than the ones he stole from.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      May 30, 2019 at 2:21 PM

  11. The Founding Fathers will continue to be attacked while King and the Kennedys get a pass. Only a matter of time before someone proposes that Mount Rushmore be blown up.

    Brendan

    May 30, 2019 at 12:59 PM

  12. “And Martin Luther King shouldn’t stop being a great civil rights leader just because he had a healthy sexual appetite.”

    Watching a woman get raped? Yet being a leftwing icon?

    chris

    May 30, 2019 at 1:03 PM

  13. OT: this looks like a good story for Lion and his readers, but is behind a paywall.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2204958-most-atheists-believe-in-the-supernatural-despite-trusting-science/amp/

    Gozo

    May 30, 2019 at 1:03 PM

    • I do not see a way to break through that paywall.

      • The article seems to be a summary of this:

        Click to access UUReportRome.pdf

        WRB

        May 30, 2019 at 1:40 PM

      • Outline has gotten wise to NY Times & WSJ and I can no longer read either for free.

        gothamette

        May 30, 2019 at 2:04 PM

      • You can read NYT for free by opening the link in an incognito window.

        Last I checked, Outline still works for WSJ. Go to http://www.outline.com, and paste the WSJ link into the box.

      • The actual 24 page study (in color!) is available for those who are seriously interested.

        Click to access UUReportRome.pdf

        Gozo

        May 30, 2019 at 2:51 PM

      • The New York Times has a way of detecting incognito windows and if you exceed your allotment, you can’t get in.

        Have you tried outline recently? I just tried it and I got this.

        “Not Supported
        We’re sorry, but this URL is not supported by Outline”

        gothamette

        May 30, 2019 at 6:36 PM

      • wow the Japanese atheists are really a depressed bunch

        Lion of the Turambar

        May 31, 2019 at 5:55 PM

    • Yes.

      Most atheists worship the Devil.

      map

      May 30, 2019 at 6:42 PM

      • You speak a profound truth, map.

        gothamette

        May 31, 2019 at 4:17 PM

  14. “Research on atheists and agnostics around the world has revealed that almost nobody can claim to completely reject irrational beliefs such as life after death, astrology, and the existence of a universal life-force.”

    That puts me in “almost nobody” category. Great. In reality, ~20% people do not have irrational beliefs.

    My 2¢

    May 30, 2019 at 2:50 PM

  15. Ever since Trump became president, there’s been a resurgence of interest in “1984.”

    Well, I’m not a Trump supporter, but it can’t be said that he or his supporters are interested in “unpersoning” anyone.

    njguy73

    May 30, 2019 at 2:55 PM

    • The resurgence is in the form oif SJW’s claiming to be Emmanuel Goldstein. The lefty book store in SF sells blue baseball cals reading, Make Orwell fiction again.” SJW’s always lie.

      Marty

      May 30, 2019 at 6:05 PM

  16. I support dismantling MLK’s legacy if they keep on pushing down our statues. If they let us be, we should let them have icons too.

    Sid

    May 30, 2019 at 2:59 PM

  17. Recently I went to an event at a progressive public high school in a SWPL area. It was pretty striking to see the posters and slogans on the hallway and classroom walls. I don’t recall seeing a single image of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the Pilgrims, or any of the “classic” American founders and heroes. I think Abraham Lincoln was the only exception, but he wasn’t featured very prominently.

    Most of it was focused on famous civil rights movement figures like Rosa Parks, but especially on Martin Luther King. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that, to kids growing up in this milieu, MLK is the most important person in American history. Certainly he’s the only one with his own federal holiday. More generally, the civil rights movement of the 1960s has replaced the American founding as the central event the in country’s history, and the progressive ideas driving that movement have replace the classical liberal ideas of the founding documents.

    PG

    May 30, 2019 at 3:37 PM

  18. Owning slaves was not considered evil by most Americans in Washington’s day. A minister having orgies with the prostitutes and sitting in while another minister raw dogs some parishioner very much would have been considered evil in the 1960’s. By the same token, the government secretly and illegally recording such escapades and then threatening to release the tapes unless said minister killed himself would also have been considered evil in the 1960’s. Trump’s locker talk in the 2000’s was considered locker talk then as it would be now. So while I can understand you not caring, I don’t think the three situations are in any way equivalent.

    Ripping on King because he didn’t believe in Gay Marriage or Tranny Rights or because he didn’t understand that Communism doesn’t work would be more analogous to the Washington thing.

    PerezHBD

    May 30, 2019 at 4:08 PM

  19. Not all supernatural beliefs are the same. It is easy to discredit Astrology but phenomena such as The Enfield Poltergeist and The Scole Experiment are another matter.

    martin2

    May 30, 2019 at 5:42 PM

  20. I just read that Mahatma Gandhi was also a big womanizer.

    CamelCaseRob

    May 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM

    • All it is is just an indication of the evolutionary fitness.

      Yakov

      May 31, 2019 at 11:24 AM

  21. Correction there was no negro slavery only negro serfdom. Being forced to live/work on a big farm while only being compensated in food, clothing, housing, and maybe basic education is NOT slavery but serfdom. No big deal.

    Thurgood Marshall is a much better leader for so called “civil rights” than that negro fraud/criminal MLK.

    Like or not our elites and “deep state” have been onto MLK for years/decades even if the mainstream media worshipped him.

    redarmyvodka

    May 30, 2019 at 7:11 PM

    • Look up what the difference is.

      My 2c

      May 30, 2019 at 9:24 PM

      • I understand most people are historically illiterate but slavery existed only in antiquity think Egypt/Rome if you want to know what slavery was really like.

        People like you act as if humans have no impulse for creativity, benevolence, decency, and reform. They have it in abundance but even if you deny that the simple reason slavery no longer existed was because slave labor is inefficient and it costs too much to guard/oversee slaves. This became apparent in late antiquity where massive armies, professional soldiers, police forces, and citizen soldiers became too burdensome on elite finances/treasuries. A new system of control was needed one where property could be maintained and elite power entrenched but where the masses would police themselves. To that end religion serves that precise function and hence the middle ages were dominated by theology, faith, religion, and belief.

        The Muslim empires including the Ottomans at their apex had lots of war captives and prisoners of war but most were amnestied in exchange for conversion to Islam. Others were pardoned after negotiation with their governments and released into their custody. Many lands simply paid tribute while others converted to be in good standing with the Muslim powers. Men volunteered to work in harems because employment in royal palaces was easy and comfortable while giving them access to the halls of power where they could whisper into the sultan’s ear. Christian boys were converted into Islam and made into Janissaries elite frontline troops who had no alliance to anyone other than the sultan himself and were thus immune to palace intrigue. Many non-Muslims and previously independent farmers conquered by Islamic armies were made into serfs and required to work on massive agricultural lands while Muslim overlords enjoyed the good life often taking their women.

        None of that counts as slavery though. What you’re describing is feudalism and was absolutely necessary for agricultural production, agricultural wealth, food exports, and higher end exports like cotton.

        redarmyvodka

        May 30, 2019 at 11:42 PM

    • A serf can’t be sold.
      A slave can be.
      Thank you and drive through.

      njguy73

      May 31, 2019 at 6:07 PM

      • Serfs underwent changes in owners/lords be it through sale of land or direct transfer. This was uncommon however because change is always hard and usually undesirable. Much like the nobility of the old world only the top one percent of southerners could afford plantations/estates as well as the serfs to work them. Anyone who left the farm without consent was subject to police arrest and punishment. The purpose/meaning of the free market is distorted it originally meant freedom from the rentier economy of feudalism and NOT some new type of oligarch control. Nevertheless serfs were happy, safe, comfortable, enjoyed a twenty hour work week, and got wives/husbands something modern society struggles with.

        I’m convinced most people including educated people simply know little to nothing. It is my sacred duty as well as others like me to illuminate the world.

        redarmyvodka

        June 1, 2019 at 12:44 AM

      • If you’re so adamant that everything that has ever been called “slavery” is not slavery, why don’t you tell us what slavery is?

        Hermes

        June 1, 2019 at 10:03 AM

      • We’re having this conversation solely because the Bolshoi narrative that blacks have been uniquely injured by history hinges on elevating points of difference between serfdom / indentured servitude and black slavery. Slavery needs to be distinct enough to rationalize a belief that ‘history’s’ violence against blacks was sufficiently severe to account for conditions in the present. In reality, the distinction was marginal at best.

        Curle

        June 1, 2019 at 11:07 AM

      • Actual slavery is what existed during the Soviet GULAG with mass incarceration, mass executions, hard labor, food deprivation, being worked to death, and being worked/housed in areas unsuitable for civilization a sort of expendable canon fodder for development.

        An otherwise pleasant farm and agrarian way of life with tight control is repeat NOT slavery but serfdom.

        redarmyvodka

        June 1, 2019 at 4:04 PM

      • @ Curle

        Exactly. There is nothing special or unique in negro history.

        Stuff they complain about could be applied to most people.

        Their claims of victimhood are totally false and illegitimate.

        redarmyvodka

        June 1, 2019 at 4:10 PM

      • Blacks were owned as slaves because they were black, that’s pretty unique.

      • Negros were owned as serfs mostly on southern plantations. Non-whites can absorb heat well and are good at farm labor. In Latin America serfdom included both mestizos and blacks. Europeans/Asians moved beyond serfdom via a free market. The desire of feudal landlords to trade on the world market unleashed a series of forces which led to their undoing. History can be a very dangerous mistress. The Confederacy existed for similar purposes and lost spectacularly for similar reasons. International political economy transcends borders and ideology which is why most people don’t even have a basic understanding of issues.

        redarmyvodka

        June 1, 2019 at 5:21 PM

      • “Blacks were owned as slaves because they were black, that’s pretty unique.”

        Not exactly. You were a slave if your mother was a slave. You were not a slave if your mother was not a slave. Look it up.

        But yes, there was a distinct the relationship between being African and being a slave. It says so in the Confederate Constitution.

        Look, about King here is what I think. As soon as black people hear the words “FBI wiretap” they’re going to turn off and say “I don’t believe this. The government had it in for Martin and they were going to find whatever dirt they possibly could.”

        And you know what? If I were black I would say the same thing.

        All this is going to do is drive a wedge between the races even further. Kind of like a cosmic OJ.

        And you will be surprised at how many white liberal historians will take another look at MLK.

        gothamette

        June 1, 2019 at 9:02 PM

      • “Blacks were owned as slaves because they were black”

        Whites were used as indentured servants at first because 1) East Coast Native Americans were simply too tough and dangerous to submit to slavery on a large scale (a real tribute to them) plus, at least at the beginning, British were hoping to recruit Indians as warriors against the Spanish; and 2) Whites were scared of fleeing remote plantations to traverse Indian controlled territory. Plus, the plantation owners were generally able to trap the servants into service for life through various 17th century debt schemes fully supported by accommodating colonial administrators and judges so there was little need for formalized slavery.

        Things changed as the white population grew and it became easier for indentured servants to flee into the night without being killed by Indians and to hide among the masses. The solution was to find a group who would stand out and thus could not easily flee; Blacks.

        Focusing on the legal aspects as opposed to the operational aspects clouds the story. A look at Ag labor use tells the story.

        17th century: Only a smattering of black laborers. Overwhelmingly white workforce. Cultivation limited to fertile ground around rivers. Mostly in VA and NC. A little in SC.

        18th century: Cultivation expands in SC and GA but still largely confined to rivers. Gentry start acquiring Blacks. By end of century White ag. (ind. servant) workforce replaced as majority with Blacks at about 60-40 split black/white.

        19th century: at beginning of century most of the King Cotton South is still undeveloped wilderness including MS, AL, LA, western TN and western GA. For 60 years wilderness is steadily cleared, cotton is planted, plants and industry mature, then war. The world we see in Gone with the Wind was a short lived thing.

        Curle

        June 1, 2019 at 9:32 PM

      • I repeat there was absolutely no slavery only negro serfdom.

        Words matter especially from a historical & legal perspective.

        redarmyvodka

        June 2, 2019 at 5:39 AM

  22. Does anyone think that a man who had that many affairs and prostitutes, a man who stood idly by making jokes and encouraging another “pastor” to rape a parishioner wasn’t a rapist himself?

    destructure

    May 31, 2019 at 3:05 AM

  23. The problem is prog hypocrisy, of course. They have the ubiquitous and unquestioned assumption that Drumpf’s character flaws disqualify him as a leader and also mean that all of his supporters are tainted by association. But the same standard can never be applied to MLK.

    Blue Tribe Dissident

    May 31, 2019 at 9:39 AM

  24. Hey Lion, OT but in the Miss India thread at Sailer, a commenter responds to a quip that only a few of the contestants look anything but white:
    … in the real world, you would know straight away they are Hindoos because you would have smelled them long before you would have seen them.

    Department 11

    May 31, 2019 at 6:54 PM

  25. I hate statues of MLK, FDR, and Lincoln. I”m for tearing down the statues of MLK. He was always a fraud and would have become an unknown nobody if not for his federally sponsored assassination.

    Someone

    May 31, 2019 at 6:59 PM

  26. I hate rapists, I hate bullies.

    I am not sure that MLK was a rapist, so let his statues stay up unless there is proof , by a preponderance of the evidence, that he was guilty of rape or accessory to rape.

    howitzer Daniel

    June 1, 2019 at 3:21 PM


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