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NY Post immigration op-ed

I agree with this excerpt from a NY Post op-ed by Marc Thiessen:

President Barack Obama deported far more illegal immigrants than Trump has. ­Axios reports that “under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009 to 2011 and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012.”

I don’t recall Democrats in Congress accusing Obama of a “crime against humanity” or actions “outside the circle of civilized human behavior.”

Back then, Democrats agreed, as Sen. Charles Schumer put it in a 2009 speech, that “illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple.” Since Trump took office, Democrats have become the party of illegal immigration.

They want to decriminalize illegal border crossings, cut ICE detention beds to force the agency to release illegal immigrants and then refuse to enforce lawful deportation orders.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM

Posted in Immigration

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  1. According to Mickey Kaus, Obama was very bad at cracking down. I don’t have all the details so you can just Google it. But he disputes those figures.

    Not that Trump has been any better.

    gothamette

    July 18, 2019 at 12:15 PM

    • Obama registered any illegal that was stopped at the border as a deportation.

      I believe this was called a “touchback” deportation, I believe.

      map

      July 19, 2019 at 2:34 AM

  2. The reality that the democrats even have a chance of winning the presidency in 2020 shows this country is done, finished, over with. I’ve never seen politicians of any political party of any country say people who cross into their country illegally have a place or a right to be in that country, until I saw the democrats say it at their last debate. It’s bad enough that the democrats support abortion at any stage, but the fact that they are so proud of supporting infanticide makes it even more troubling that so many people would be willing to vote for them. Again, even if Trump squeaks out a victory in 2020, the demographics are not on our side. In the long term, this country is through. done, over with.

    pinche perro

    July 18, 2019 at 12:55 PM

    • “It’s their country now.”

      Hermes

      July 18, 2019 at 2:41 PM

    • MSN has a poll about affordability of rent:

      Is housing affordability a problem where you live?

      33% Major problem
      38% Somewhat of a problem
      24% Not a problem
      5% I don’t know

      More riff raff in America, is good business for landlords, who own property in nice neighborhoods.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      July 18, 2019 at 5:31 PM

    • Republicans and capitalists having been silently saying open borders for decades.

      Capital demands an *endless supply* of cheap labor. It doesn’t care about training/educating it’s own people and paying First world wages.

      Say what you will about Latinos/Mexicans, lots of them KNOW HOW TO DO SHIT. They can fix things and build things; they know tools; they know cars, construction, etc. They learned it since they were very young and didn’t need no steenkin’ education. Add to the fact, they didn’t need no steenkin’ house or money to pop out 4 kids by the time they’re 19 years old either.

      Meanwhile, the American male has been wasted and destroyed in school learning the liberal arts, feminism, porno popculture, and then trying to get some clean office drone job and begging some 35 year old whore to marry them. NOBODY TAUGHT THEM SHIT.

      Capitalism is the greatest wealth producing economic system there is, but it will lead to Third Worldi-zation if it is divorced from healthy people-hood.

      fakeemail

      July 18, 2019 at 8:09 PM

  3. Obama prioritized deportation of recent arrivals and those with serious criminal records. Obama also instituted DACA giving semi-legal status to illegals that arrived as young children.

    During the Obama administration the problem at the Mexico border changed to mostly being people from failing central American countries seeking asylum. These people don’t try to evade the border patrol, they turn themselves into the border patrol. They cannot be immediately deported because they are not from Mexico and it requires a hearing before a judge to evaluate their asylum claim. The Obama deportation numbers declined in 2015 and 2016.

    The decline in deportations was probably in part because the border patrol is caching fewer easily deport-able Mexicans near the border and in part because the load of asylum cases is taking resources from the border patrol and ICE.

    Right now the border patrol is stretched close to the breaking point by Trump’s insistence on holding all the asylum seekers in prisons or making them wait in Mexico. Don’t blame Democrats for failing to adequately fund the border patrol. The House proposed less funding, but the Republican controlled Senate increased the funding and the House passed the Senate version of the bill over the loud protest of left wing members. So the current funding bill for the border patrol was written by Republicans in the Senate.

    MikeCA

    July 18, 2019 at 12:58 PM

    • “Obama prioritized deportation of recent arrivals and those with serious criminal records. Obama also instituted DACA giving semi-legal status to illegals that arrived as young children”

      I guess Obama must have overlooked these dudes:

      https://www.dailynews.com/2019/07/16/22-suspected-members-of-ms-13-charged-in-angeles-national-forest-machete-murders-valley-glen-park-shooting/

      “MS-13 street gangsters from the San Fernando Valley butchered and bludgeoned their rivals with machetes, knives, baseball bats, and pipes in a series of gruesome killings in the Angeles National Forest, according to a federal grand jury indictment unsealed Tuesday.”

      gothamette

      July 18, 2019 at 2:17 PM

      • “Of the 22 defendants, 19 are undocumented immigrants, having arrived in the U.S. within the past three or four years.”

        So some probably arrived under Obama and some under Trump.

        “MS-13 traces its roots to Los Angeles, where the group was formed to protect El Salvadorean immigrants in the 1960s. When many of those original members were deported back to El Salvador, the gang proliferated in Central America, prosecutors say.”

        Because the LA police could not protect El Salvadorean immigrants from other LA street gangs, they formed their own street gang which became MS-13. Then the US started deporting MS-13 members back to El Salvador where they overwhelmed local authorities.

        MikeCA

        July 18, 2019 at 8:36 PM

      • “So some probably arrived under Obama and some under Trump.”

        To join their confreres who came under Obama and of course previous presidents. Glad you agree that there is a problem with these illegal criminals.

        “MS-13 traces its roots to Los Angeles, where the group was formed to protect El Salvadorean immigrants in the 1960s. ”

        Most of whom were probably illegal.

        “When many of those original members were deported back to El Salvador,”

        Because they were here illegally.

        gothamette

        July 18, 2019 at 9:22 PM

    • First of all, asylum is always applied in a neighboring state. Second, Obama was not deporting anybody. They were just making up statistics.

      It’s like crime statistics.

      map

      July 19, 2019 at 2:40 AM

  4. They say that Obama inflated the numbers by reclassifying deportations to include people caught in the act of crossing into the U.S. I don’t know though if the Trump admin reclassified it back.

    Wency

    July 18, 2019 at 1:00 PM

  5. Seemingly, the election politics inherent in democracy are innately divisive and a force unto themselves.

    ie:
    Someone we want is in office: issue X is not a problem.
    Someone we don’t want is in office: issue X is a problem and chaos will ensue now as a result.

    Inevitable widespread social chaos, driven purely by a party’s desire to be elected, is a fairly large and potentially fatal flaw in democracy as a system.

    Especially if one views this aspect of democracy as prone to increasing in intensity as social division widens. When baseline social division is normal, it may become necessary to widen it with ever more extremist rhetoric as a matter of election politics. As the gap widens, so must the extremism to speak past the gap and widen it further.

    The Right has known for centuries that democracy is a ticking time bomb, a slow growing virus, or pick your preferred metaphor. Very obvious political media and politician voter manipulation, in this example, is just a particularly clear illustration of what the Right has known.

    Jack

    July 18, 2019 at 1:31 PM

  6. It’s simple as this: The narrative is that Trump ran a campaign courting White Nationalism and keeping tabs on NAMs.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 18, 2019 at 2:12 PM


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