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1. Videogames are absolutely not contributing to violence of any sort. They have the opposite effect, pacifying young males and consequentially causing a reduction in all sorts of crime. Why has crime been falling year after year? Videogames are part of the reason.

2. It’s wrong to call someone mentally ill just because they kill a bunch of people. Soldiers kill people, their commanding officers order them to kill people, the generals order the commanding officers to order the soldiers to kill people, and no one in this chain of command is considered mentally ill.

3. The problem is with our public school system which is a Lord of the Flies type of environment where the beta males are bullied, and naturally those who are mercilessly bullied have revenge fantasies, and a very tiny percentage of those beta males actually carry out revenge fantasies using easily obtained and legally purchased semi-automatic weapons with large clips.

4. The vast majority of murders are caused by alpha-male (mostly NAM) violence and not beta-male ragers. 17,000 murders per year in the United States, and only a small fraction of those murders can be attributed to rage shooters.

5. Paragraph #4 is more of a reason to support gun control than paragraph #3, but in both cases, making it harder to obtain guns would reduce the murder rate because murderers are commonly lazy and stupid and have low future-time orientation, so with gun control fewer would-be murderers would have guns. Guns are the easiest and most effective way to kill people (with the exception of more advanced military hardware like attack helicopters, although the typical murder would be way too stupid to figure out how to fly an attack helicopter, even if the army mistakenly left one in their backyard along with an instruction manual). To kill with a gun, all you have to do is load ammo, turn off safety, and pull the trigger.

6. Gun nuts will say “but we need guns to protect ourselves from home invasions and overthrow the leftist government or whatever fantasies we have!” People who support gun control have great statistics showing why the gun-nut fantasy about using guns to protect themselves is really nonsense, they just create an illusion of empowerment. With respect to the government thing, there are no good modern examples of people with guns shooting at each other leading to good results. But we can look to Hungary as a way that patriots can retake their country from leftists, without a single shot being fired, without anyone being put in prison.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 5, 2019 at 1:17 PM

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  1. Pretty obvious that whole wretched speech was written by Ivanka or somebody. Don’t put too much in to it. Trump often puts out ridiculous statements at the behest of the idiots around him before wising up and coming out with his real opinion later. Remember, Trump only gets his news from TV and Tucker has aired in the East Coast yet so he literally doesn’t even know that the Dayton Shooter was an Antifa Sympathizer who strongly supported Pochahontas.

    BTW- Big Tech used this tragedy to quality shut down the upstream servers of BitMitigate, which is the only free speech alternative to Cloudflare. 8Chan, DailyStormer, and host of other sites are temporarily down.

    FatDrunkAndStupid

    August 5, 2019 at 1:36 PM

    • I think Trump’s real opinion is pro gun control. He’s from New York City, where only the bad guys and cops/security guards have guns, so taking them away from everybody but the latter group is an obvious solution.

      “Pretty obvious that whole wretched speech was written by Ivanka or somebody. Don’t put too much in to it. Trump often puts out ridiculous statements at the behest of the idiots around him before wising up and coming out with his real opinion later.”

      Why should it make a difference? If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, what’s it matter if it’s a duck or a duck-puppet?

      Alexander Turok

      August 5, 2019 at 2:17 PM

      • It makes a difference if he eventually gets it right. Nobody remembers Trump’s wretched initial comments after C’ville. They just remember him blaming the bad actors on both sides a day later when stopped reading from Gen. Kelly’s script and gave his own opinion. Let’s wait and see what the Big Guy says when he’s actually speaking in his own words.

        FatDrunkAndStupid

        August 5, 2019 at 3:17 PM

      • It might not make much of a difference. Apparently alpha NAMs in London, England are even more violent than those in New York City. Because of gun restrictions they use knives. Knives have been banned too, but you know they’ll find another way.

        Frau Katze

        August 7, 2019 at 3:27 AM

    • Trump has had a concealed carry permit for years. And his son Don Jr is also an enthusiastic hunter. So I the president is against guns.

      destructure

      August 6, 2019 at 9:54 PM

  2. Will you do an in depth analysis of how the Hungarians took back their country from leftists?

    Jjbees

    August 5, 2019 at 1:43 PM

  3. “With respect to the government thing, there are no good modern examples of people with guns shooting at each other leading to good results”.

    Depends on your definition of good. People in Kurdistan and Chechnya might disagree with you.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    August 5, 2019 at 1:43 PM

    • “there are no good modern examples of people with guns shooting at each other leading to good results”.

      The Freikorps held off the Bolsheviks that way.

      Curle

      August 5, 2019 at 10:42 PM

  4. Trump is giving a wink-wink type of comment. He knows who he supports and is giving lip service to the zeitgeist. He then will go back to making dog-whistles to his supporters.

    Trump would normally have fought against making these types of comments, but after the backlash he received from his comments on Charlottesville, he learned he has to be more careful. You can say he’s learning on the job.

    Red pill aspie

    August 5, 2019 at 1:48 PM

    • Trump is never consistent and he stays away from partisanship. If you ran a campaign about taking back America for real White people, then implement the policies, instead of trying to appease to certain elements from the Left.

      One thing I never understood about him, is his marriages with Slavic women, sort of what a loser from America would do, because he couldn’t get laid with the women on his own soil. Given the fact that Trump has associated himself with Playboy Playmates and Penthouse Pets, he could have fathered children with Becky the model.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 5, 2019 at 3:02 PM

      • The best gold diggers come from Eastern Europe?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 5, 2019 at 3:58 PM

      • Oh please. The women in bicoastal cities are terrible. What females enable the Kardashians to break free? Ones with no sensibilities to culture and posterity. Anti-aristocratic, or more glibly, trash that thirst for luxury without the sophistication to retain it is exactly what Trump has avoided.

        An Austrian-Hungarian legacy does breed a better woman. Hopefully when the Marxian mutagent is corrected in our universities women will go back to appreciating the efforts at restraint as a condition of moral excellence.

        A Dilettante

        August 5, 2019 at 4:11 PM

      • Trump is a real man and appreciates feminine beauty. Slavic women are unapologetically feminine. I once dated a Russian woman who loved to go outside in skirts and high heels. She had to gradually abandon it in the US as people would stare at her. East Asian women are also unapologetically feminine. Today’s American women under the poison of feminism have become inferior versions of me.

        Red pill aspie

        August 5, 2019 at 4:16 PM

      • Men

        Red pill aspie

        August 5, 2019 at 4:16 PM

      • Donald Trump doesn’t care what country his sex partners come from, just so long as they shut up and do what he says.

        njguy73

        August 5, 2019 at 4:56 PM

      • It is not Trump. Eastern European women beat their Non-Eastern European competitors by looking more attractive and behaving better.

        My 2¢

        August 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM

      • I agree with A Dilettante. Too many shallow people who sell out for money, status and popularity. I’m not even against money, status and popularity. I’m against putting them on a pedestal and compromising oneself to get them. What has happened to people’s integrity and loyalty? It’s tragic.

        destructure

        August 5, 2019 at 10:27 PM

      • “he could have fathered children with Becky the model.”

        Marla Maples was as home grown as they come.

        Curle

        August 5, 2019 at 10:44 PM

    • You mean the press manufactured backlash. And you mean that he’s learning to conform to press standards and pressure for the type of person they want in office. Which is a major problem for democracy.

      The United States press is an antidemocratic institution that needs to be stripped down to the studs if this nation is to survive.

      Jack

      August 5, 2019 at 9:08 PM

  5. I am going to repost from below about Hungary. You really should visit sometime. Beautiful country, but not the patriotic refuge you seem to think it is.

    Hungary is not a model for American conservatives or Christians. It is a kleptocracy run solely for the benefit of Orban and his cronies, and the economy has been reduced to a subsidiary of the German auto industry and tourism. What patriot reclaims his country by making his economy completely dependent on sucking up to rich foreigners? No patriots have re-taken anything, they’ve been conned. When the auto industry inevitably crashes, Hungary is in for a bad patch.

    The real success story in the world is Denmark – they keep immigrants out, preserve their country, have a diversified strong economy, and have remained a functioning democracy where working class whites still have a voice (not the case in Hungary). Danes are smart, they stay below the radar, fund programs to keep unwanted immigrants out and don’t attract attention. Czechs are the same way, and the Austrians have thankfully moved more towards that model than the Hungarian model. The loud populist regimes in Europe (Hungary, Italy, Russia, Poland, Turkey) are sadly almost universally run by thieving hypocrites looking to loot their own economies for the benefit of a few insiders. The real success stories, and they are very few, are the functioning right-wing democracies, but probably better for them if outsiders remain ignorant.

    Peter Akuleyev

    August 5, 2019 at 1:53 PM

  6. Haha. No, Hungary is a colony of Germany and their gov is not right wing in any sense of the word nor nationalist.

    Only Poland is.

    I don’t know where your definitive opinions come from, how can you state things with such a certainity with obviously very little knowledge of the issue. Sub 130, Lion.
    On the gun issue, I am one of the few EU subjects with a CCW permit and I know others that have used a gun like that to protect themselves, including disabled persons both against free dogs and criminals. A gun has indeed a good self defense value, you just have to avoid using it for your suicide (don’t know about such a case within that circle). Anyways, there are much better ways to do that.
    The only gun homicide in my town/city in the last 50 years has been a self defense shooting in an attempted carjacking/targeted attack 3 on 1 (with serious violence on the part of the attackers) .

    Bombexpert

    August 5, 2019 at 2:00 PM

    • How is Hungary non-nationalist? Only objectionable thing I’ve heard of is booting out Richard Spencer, and considering the harm he has done to his own movement since then, I’d say it was a prudent move.

      Alexander Turok

      August 5, 2019 at 3:46 PM

  7. This country is awash with guns to an extent never before seen in history, and despite that you have to look hard to find gun violence except in certain areas. Banning guns, or a subclass of guns will only serve to remove them from people like *me* with a good job and status — a pretty good thing going on — with too much to risk by taking my guns underground and risking a felony if ever discovered. But there’s a huge fraction of guns in the hands of proles (yeah, guns are prole, lol!) with prole jobs and a rebellious, zero fucks given attitude. Those guns, a couple hundred million of them, aren’t going anywhere.And now you would turn a huge fraction of the country, who were otherwise solid law abiding citizens, into gun owning felons. What could go wrong? ( BTW, if we’re just talking “assault weapons,” i.e. modern sporting rifles, there’s an estimated 15-20 million of them in circulation in the US.)

    Kosher Kowboy

    August 5, 2019 at 2:15 PM

  8. Mostly agree, but here are some additional thoughts –

    “GUn control ” (whatever that means) won’t do it. For example, Mexico has very strict gun laws (on a par with the UK), and there’s only one legal gun store in the entire country, yet the murder rate is about five times higher than the US, which has liberal gun ownership laws. OTOH, Switzerland and Israel have high rates of gun ownership but low rates of homicide.

    The vast majority of mass shootings (defined as three or more persons shot in one incident) are committed by NAM’s. For example,in the two weeks prior to the Gilroy shootings, 34 of 36 mass shootings were carried out by NAM’s.

    The headline-grabbing mass shootings such as El Paso and Dayton tend to be committed with high-capacity assault-type weapons, and I have no problem at all with banning them, but it’s not going to make much of a difference. As you correctly state, the vast majority of murders are committed by alpha-male NAM’s using illegally carried concealed weapons, so banning assault weapons won’t have much of an impact. This appears to be a magic-dirt/tragic-dirt problem, but don’t expect the corrupt MSM or sleazy politicians to pick up on that.

    Black Death

    August 5, 2019 at 2:18 PM

    • When one is speaking of NAMs, they need to distinguish blacks from Hispanics. The latter group is far more dangerous and organized than the former. Hispanics are not only more organized, they are more intelligent and more dangerous than blacks when committing violent crimes. One missing component of black riff raff is their lack of methodical planning and going long distances to hone in their intended target, which Hispanics are very capable of executing, as one can observe with the drug trafficking scheme to the US from Latin America. The same reason why White beta males on the rampage are to be feared more than Tyrone or Jamal in the hood. Patrick Crusius traveled from Dallas to Western Texas, which was a 10 hr drive to commit his act of terror.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 5, 2019 at 9:38 PM

  9. “2. It’s wrong to call someone mentally ill just because they kill a bunch of people. Soldiers kill people, their commanding officers order them to kill people, the generals order the commanding officers to order the soldiers to kill people, and no one in this chain of command is considered mentally ill”

    I don’t accept this argument. It’s similar to people who compare the delusions of the mentally ill with people who believe in the strange stories of their native religion. But there is a world of difference between socially sanctioned, widely accepted violence or belief and those which people act out purely out of a personal compulsion that they know their society would consider immoral. That’s not to say that there aren’t a few crazy people in the army who have only joined up to kill people, but such people are likely to have other traits that would see them weeded out of a first-world army, such as an inabiity to follow orders or problems following routines.

    Under the right circumstances, most of us could kill someone. But if you take the example of one of the most controversial aspects of modern war–the high altitude bombing of civilians in World War Two–you would surely accept that the British and American airmen who bombed countless civilians in Japan and Germany were not men who under other cirumstances would have gone out and shot random people at a garlic festival. ‘I was only obeying orders’ really does make a world of difference.

    The effects of school however is a different matter. It’s not something you ever hear discussed as a factor, yet knowing what we do about children, the idea of sticking them all in a building together seems quite a revolutionary idea, and it’s not surprising that the weak get crushed by it.

    prolier than thou

    August 5, 2019 at 2:46 PM

  10. When I heard about the El Paso shooting it made me think of all the comments I have read on American blogs from people in places like Texas who always make the point that ‘if they tried anything like that in my neck of the woods. there’d be a dozen men who would shoot them’. They often make points about states that have conceal and carry permits and things like that. But that doesn’t seem to actually happen very often, does it? Perhaps in the El Paso case this is because he was in a Hispanic area, and they are less likely to have guns?

    But as a general rule, nobody ever does seem to shoot back. Is this pro-gun argument a false one? Or have the shooters we’ve seen been lucky or just picked vulnerable targets?

    prolier than thou

    August 5, 2019 at 2:53 PM

    • Yes. I’ve been to El Paso. The city proper was majority White in 1960, but now lists as 80% Hispanic. That number seems low when you walk the streets in the downtown on a weekend. In reality El Paso and Ciudad Juárez are one city with a national border running through it, and 2/3 of the population on the Mexican side of the border. So the metro area collectively is 93% Mexican. Of the remaining 6%, non-Hispanic population only 4% are white.

      El Paso was chosen by the shooter because the city represented what he feared would happen to the rest of Texas, and he said he couldn’t bring himself to shoot fellow whites even if they were his enemies.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      August 5, 2019 at 5:07 PM

      • I am attracted to Mexican girls. Back in the 90s I took a trip to El Paso. I figured it had the maximum amount of Mexicans where you could still get by speaking English. It was a good choice. Pretty Mexican girls galore everywhere I looked. I met some girls at a club and they took me to Juarez and I enjoyed that as well. I don’t think it was so dangerous back then.

        If I planned that same trip today….a single white guy going to El.Paso for no reason….I wonder if I would be profiled as a possible threat?

        Jay Fink

        August 5, 2019 at 9:54 PM

    • Prolier, the national mainstream media intentionally under-reports “good guy with a gun” stories, so you never hear about them beyond local media reports. The story doesn’t fit the narrative so it gets buried. The NRA magazine “American Rifleman,” (which I get monthly as I’m an NRA life member), has a column in which they report “good guy with a gun” stories, several every month, with local media sources cited.
      Here’s a “good guy with a gun” story in story in Texas Monthly, a magazine with a liberal slant:
      https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/stephen-willeford-sutherland-springs-mass-murder/

      Sort of unrelated, as the hero wasn’t armed at first, so it doesn’t support my thesis, but interesting nonetheless… An unarmed man who disarmed a shooter, only to get himself shot by police, in my part of Texas… I remember this when it happened, but it was overshadowed by he Parkland FL shooting which occurred the same day
      https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-police-shoot-man-who-disarmed-possible-12704202.php
      Does emphasize that one problem with being a “good guy with a gun” is that the police might shoot you.

      Kosher Kowboy

      August 5, 2019 at 5:16 PM

    • This part of El Paso is full of Mexican national and illegals that are largely unlikely to carry concealed.

      map

      August 5, 2019 at 5:26 PM

    • First, to say El Paso is a “Hispanic area” is an understatement. The city is really just the part of Ciudad Juarez that sits on the American side of the river and is almost entirely Mexican. So this was not “Texas” at all in the sense you are talking about. The attack might as well have happened in Mexico and in fact close to half the victims were actually Mexican nationals.

      As for examples, New Life Church in Colorado would be the most prominent example I can think of where a gun owner shot a mass shooter before he could really get going (I think he did kill two or three before he was shot). Most mass shootings occur at schools so there is no chance of anyone having a gun there. Then you have synagogues, churches, and gay night clubs which are also low chance of people bringing their guns with them. The Las Vegas shooting happened at a concert that presumably screened for weapons and he was up too high for it to have made any difference even if anyone had a gun. So I would say it really hasn’t been tested, but I’d say there is a high chance of somebody shooting back if you tried to pull a mass shooting in a White Walmart in Texas. I know my Dad always wears his gun when he goes to Walmart.

      PerezHBD

      August 5, 2019 at 5:32 PM

  11. Can somebody provide me with number or percentage of US homicides caused by whites in a given year? Or point me to a website which gives racial breakdowns for homicides. Most liberals actually believe that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by rednecks and racists. It would be good to have a reference to shut them up.

    Roli

    August 5, 2019 at 3:03 PM

    • Here’s something I did just recently: in a search box, enter the words ‘murder’ and ‘arrest’, along with any well-known city that’s not majority black. So, Denver, Milwaukee, Omaha, Wichita, Charlotte, Albany, Little Rock, Fresno, Jacksonville. Nine times out of ten, it’ll be a black shooter. And that’s just events of 2019.

      Department 11

      August 5, 2019 at 5:20 PM

    • Those stats do not exist anymore.

      map

      August 5, 2019 at 5:27 PM

    • Check the FBI website, there’s a whole section giving crime stats by race/ethnicity. Everything you need is right there.

      driveallnight

      August 5, 2019 at 8:34 PM

    • Roli —

      https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2014.xls

      When the race of the offender was known, 53.0 percent were black, 44.7 percent were white, and 2.3 percent were of other races. So where are the hispanic offenders? US law enforcement lumps them in with white offenders because they consider hispanic offenders white — even when those hispanic offenders are black! I’m not joking. I’ve seen arrest records where someone who looks completely black is listed as white.

      In order to find the true white offender percentage you have to subtract the hispanic ethnicity from the white race before dividing by the total (white + black + other). So whites are over 60% of the US population but only commit 31.8% of homicides.
      ***

      For others who may be interested in where to go for crime stats, there are two main crime databases maintained by the United States Department of Justice (DOJ): the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Report (UCR). Non-fatal violence is reported in the NCVS, which measures rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and simple assault reported by households surveyed by the U.S. Census Bureau. The UCR tracks similar non-fatal violence, plus murder and non-negligent manslaughter recorded by law enforcement.

      Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) 2017
      https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6466

      Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Report (UCR)
      https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/violent-crime/violent-crime

      Finding what you want on these websites can be difficult.

      destructure

      August 6, 2019 at 5:09 AM

      • Thanks for the information. I recall reading something similar by Steve Sailer a few years back where he talked about how racial crime stats are often fudged, something that started happening at the DOJ when Eric Holder was AG.

        Roli

        August 6, 2019 at 5:49 PM

  12. Lion is generally correct in these points (except as others say, I have doubt that Orban’s Hungary is the best example). Though I still disagree on gun control, while acknowledging that the idea of gun control as a means of preventing a citizen uprising is probably mostly far-fetched.

    It’s worth pointing out that #4 indicates that if gun control were to be implemented intelligently and sincerely, it would be focused primarily on handguns, not longarms of any kind — the former accounts for the vast majority of gun homicides, while the latter, put together, kill about as many people per year as bare fists. Also, longarms are debatably better for home defense and are the only sort of gun useful for sporting; handguns are optimized for killing other human beings in public places.

    The main pragmatic purpose of guns, as I’ve pointed out before here, is to reduce the probability of burglaries, especially “home invasions” or “hot burglaries” — i.e., burglaries against occupied dwellings. I included some links when we talked about this before:
    https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/another-gun-control-post/

    Here’s some more discussion with references:
    http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/LawyersGunsBurglars.htm

    One stat of interest is that a burglar in the U.S. is about as likely to get shot as he is to go to jail, and U.S. burglars themselves invariably express fear of getting shot as their greatest concern, not fear of arrest. So if we believe burglars are deterrable, it’s being shot that deters them.

    Wency

    August 5, 2019 at 3:09 PM

  13. Yes, gun control legislation will probably be least effective at stopping mass-shooters. As noted, a lot of death involves stupid, impulsive people chimping out. Countries with relatively stricter gun control still have mass-shooting atrocities (e.g., right-wing terrorists in Norway and New Zealand).

    The El Paso shooter even says his manifesto and attack were hastily pulled together. Granted, he still managed to murder a lot of people, but older, more disciplined males have spilled even more blood. Knowing so many bombs are duds, Anders Breivik made sure to test his design on a farm during thunderstorms.

    Vince

    August 5, 2019 at 3:18 PM

    • Making effective bombs is hard – esp. the part where you need to diagnose the problems (or even know that they exist). Once you know it is is relatively easy. He did not have that accumen and almost got caught due to a chemical that he didn’t need. Also, his bomb was a failure because he didn’t have the IQ to find out why the OKC bomb worked and how shockwaves work. He spent almost a year making it with relatively incredible amounts of money.

      Almost all the bombings I see are about 10× less effective than they could have been, sometimes 100×. This knowledge is not available online. It has been censored by Google and the people in the know don’t share much.

      Ca(truck)r-borne flamethrowers are another matter. That’s starightforward prole work and the results would be legendary.

      Bombexpert

      August 5, 2019 at 4:45 PM

  14. If I live in a house and an armed person breaks in while I’m at home in the middle of the night, should my distress at my inability to defend myself and my family
    (perhaps from being murdered after being tortured, which has happened in some cases I’ve read about) be assuaged by the fact that it was statistically unlikely for someone to have broken in, and that, even if I had a gun, I still might not be able to prevent us from being murdered?

    One should be practical, not vainglorious. I think living situations often make gun ownership impractical. You would want to store it in a safe way while still having time to get it ready when you hear someone breaking in. That probably isn’t possible in most apartments. But if you live in a 2-story house it might be. You hear someone coming in downstairs, and have time to get your gun ready, and you tell your wife to call the police while you keep your gun trained on the stairs, or something. That could work. Of course it’s very dangerous, but it’s also very dangerous to be at the mercy of vicious animals.

    Another thought I’ve had is that owning a gun, even if it were stored in a way that made it unavailable during a break-in, could still be helpful during temporary periods of social breakdown. It might allow you to protect your home until order was restored.

    Furthermore, why should a government that obviously doesn’t have the ability or the resolve to protect us have the right to require us to be helpless? Especially a government that is fomenting social disintegration.

    Perturabo

    August 5, 2019 at 3:26 PM

    • People like you keep making these “practical” arguments while forgetting why the left wants gun control in the first place.

      The left wants you disarmed because they want to do bad things to you that would otherwise be extremely hard or costly to do when you are armed. They want to enable NAM street-crime and home invasions by using gun control laws to signal to their pets that the open-season on white people has been declared. Gun control is, in other words, a left-wing dog whistle.

      You don’t let some limited “fact” designed for counter-factual situations get in the way of the Truth: that an entire political party is dedicated to your destruction and the first step for that is gun control. Because of that, I would not care if there was a mass shooting every single day…I care even less when these shootings are conducted by democrat operatives.

      map

      August 5, 2019 at 5:36 PM

      • I’m not sure what this has to do with my use of the word “practical,” which was about the usefulness of gun ownership in different life situations.

        Perturabo

        August 5, 2019 at 8:54 PM

      • This could only strengthen and embolden the White fringe groups, which the MSM calls them White Supremacists or White Nationalists. The media has recently declared them a present and clear danger to society and especially to the American gov’t.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 5, 2019 at 9:54 PM

      • Good point, map! The Truth is Out There, sure enough. That’s why I lined my MAGA ball cap with tin foil to deflect the mind control waves broadcast by the Democrats from their redoubt in Hyannis, Mass. The Kennedys are behind it. That’s why they killed RFK’s granddaughter because she found Jesus at Boston College and learned The Truth. To silence her, you see. With a bullet made of fentanyl.

        King of the Hymenoptera

        August 5, 2019 at 10:02 PM

      • This is yet another example of people’s inability to understand that their opponents actually believe what they say. Most liberals don’t believe in some insidious plot to disarm white people to expose them to NAM violence. They genuinely believe in hippy-dippy crap about beating guns into plowshares. They think that with gun control, they could get rid of all the guns and then everyone, including NAMs, would join hands in a circle and sing Kum Ba Yah and there would be no more violence.

        Hermes

        August 6, 2019 at 12:09 AM

      • “This is yet another example of people’s inability to understand that their opponents actually believe what they say. Most liberals don’t believe in some insidious plot to disarm white people to expose them to NAM violence. They genuinely believe in hippy-dippy crap about beating guns into plowshares. They think that with gun control, they could get rid of all the guns and then everyone, including NAMs, would join hands in a circle and sing Kum Ba Yah and there would be no more violence.”

        Thank you Hermes. Yes, the believe what they say, it’s not a cover for a secret plot. Although as for the reasoning, I would more simply say that liberals have Europe-envy, and they want law that are like laws they have in Europe. They don’t want their European friends to think they’re a bunch of dumb hick cowboys.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 6, 2019 at 6:56 AM

      • Perturabo,

        The “practicality” comes from the knowledge that there is a distinct possibility of someone getting shot in a state with widespread gun ownership in the home plus a castle doctrine. A few examples of this happening is enough to deter a criminal. It’s why you don’t have widespread home invasions of white people in places like Texas…or Antifa scumbags.

        The security only tangentially comes from engaging in a gun fight in the home during an actual home invasion. Plus, guns can be holstered in-between a mattress at night for easy accessibility.

        There are no practical limitations at all. Ammunition can be purchased that will not go through the wall of an adjoining apartment. Gun ownership can be tailored for an infinite variety of living situations.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 1:28 AM

      • Ok, what, who’s this again?

        A “white fringe group” or “White supremacist” is any white person who refuses to slit his own throat.

        It’s nothing more than the usual media “2-minutes hate.”

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 1:30 AM

      • King of the Hymenoptera,

        The Deep State has been offing Kennedys since the 60’s. There is nothing to see here.

        When you make a deal with the Devil, the Devil will eventually collect.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 1:31 AM

      • Hermes,

        I never mistake for stupidity what can better be interpreted as malice.

        The point is that you stop taking people at their word when their actions reveal their intent. How often do the results have to stop matching the intent before you really that the actual results are what is intended?

        Only fools operate on some other metric.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 5:38 PM

      • Lion,

        “Although as for the reasoning, I would more simply say that liberals have Europe-envy, and they want law that are like laws they have in Europe. They don’t want their European friends to think they’re a bunch of dumb hick cowboys.”

        That’s ridiculous. Clearly they don’t want European laws. Look at how they complain about taxes. When their SALT went up, they started bitching and moaning about the taxes they have to pay.

        Only fools believe in liars.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 5:40 PM

    • Shotguns are excellent firearms for defending oneself at home, and unlike modern sporting rifles (AR-15’s a d the like) or handguns they’re not too heavily regulated. Shotguns don’t present too offensive an appearance, except for a few idiotic models like the Shockwave or KSG, which can actually work in a gun owner’s favor if he has to shoot a criminal.

      Interestingly, as a sign of the shotgun’s generally noncontroversial nature, despite Britain’s generally very strict gun laws it’s quick and comparatively easy to get a permit to own a shotgun, provided it has a capacity of no more than three rounds (as many do). Permits for larger capacity shotguns and for rifles require more time and paperwork but are still do-able.

      Requisite video:

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      August 5, 2019 at 5:57 PM

      • Nope…not the case.

        A shotgun fired in a bedroom distance will take off the head and half the torso. It will turn your place into biohazard.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 1:33 AM

      • True. Shotguns are even easier to acquire in most Western European countries. Italy produces some beautiful pieces.

        Peter Akuleyev

        August 6, 2019 at 2:09 AM

    • Why is someone breaking into your house to murder you? If someone wants to murder you, then that person is probably not a complete stranger. If it is a complete stranger, then it’s probably because they want to rob you (and it’s rare for a home invader to murder someone in their home).

      Periods of social breakdown? WHERE do you live?? Think about all of the times in your life you’ve been hurt. How many of those injuries were due to violent assaults versus you’re own stupid ass doing stupid ass things? This reminds me of some “preppers” who stocked up on alcohol and ammunition because they figure these will be “currency” in the post-apocalyptic landscape. Cool. Now… what’s more likely, the end of civilization, or their house catches on fire?

      Vince

      August 5, 2019 at 8:59 PM

      • If you think home invasions are bound to be someone you know and not murderous, and you can’t imagine periods of social breakdown, then you are a moron.

        Perturabo

        August 6, 2019 at 5:41 AM

      • In any vent, a ban on sale of AR-15-style guns wouldn’t prevent you from buying another type of gun for home defense.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 6, 2019 at 7:01 AM

      • Why should I have to buy a different gun for home defense? There’s nothing wrong with modern sporting rifles.

        destructure

        August 6, 2019 at 9:37 AM

      • I’ve been hurt 5 times in my life, and 4 out of 5 involved violence by street punks, 2 white, 2 black. The only exception was when my nose got broken in a basketball game, by a tiny Asian woman, if you can imagine that. You’re a dork.

        Marty

        August 6, 2019 at 12:35 PM

  15. Aren’t “beta guys” at the bottom of every social heap in every culture?

    If so, why are there so much more “beta rage shootings” in the USA?

    SC

    August 5, 2019 at 3:27 PM

    • in other cultures, women are at the bottom of every social heap and betas get to lord over them, which makes them feel less shitty about being a beta

      gm

      August 5, 2019 at 4:09 PM

      • Women are at the top of every social heap in the history of mankind.
        However, some cultures allow for there to be spheres (politics, work) where men might have status that is denied to women.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 5, 2019 at 6:53 PM

    • Accelerated social disintegration.

      Perturabo

      August 5, 2019 at 4:24 PM

      • The boring and ugly Anglosphere might have something to do with the deranged nature of its citizens. I find the cities and suburbs outside of London in the UK, insanely boring and ugly. The British are also insanely unattractive, when you compare them to the Continental Europeans and Scandinavians. Anglophone Canada is also insanely boring, ironically, the prairie or middle provinces are nicer than the coastal provinces which are more Anglo as in American or British influenced. Australia and New Zealand are literally down under, low brow, crude entities of the English speaking world, so that’s boring to any highly intelligent and sophisticated person. Last but not least, the vast American sprawl is atrocious and inhumane, just a massive wasteland of human refuse who drive in and out, day in and day out, in a land of redundancy.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 5, 2019 at 9:08 PM

    • It’s a good question.

      So why isn’t Javier and Ignacio going on a shooting rampage in Spain, Emmanuel and Jean going on a shooting rampage in France, or Hans and Wilhelm with their Germanic anger, shooting in Berlin or Munich?

      In America, there is less social cohesion and a lack of generous welfare. Then there’s the multicult environment not found outside of the Anglosphere, and the women in the Anglosphere are reduced to perpetual children who suck on lollipops, while oogling at the most superficial guy with his looks and money. The attractive ones are just eye candy for men who could afford them.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 5, 2019 at 4:49 PM

      • “So why isn’t Javier and Ignacio going on a shooting rampage in Spain, Emmanuel and Jean going on a shooting rampage in France, or Hans and Wilhelm with their Germanic anger, shooting in Berlin or Munich?”

        Because they are all too busy getting pushed in front of trains or run over by vehicles or home invaded by the Muslims they imported. Then they get lectured about racism from a lying media that covers up these crimes.

        The absence of gun murders is not the absence of murders. It doesn’t matter how someone else tries to kill you.

        In America, we have an intelligence agency, whose job is to undermine foreign nations from within, deciding that undermining the USA is a far more lucrative activity…since America still has stuff worth stealing. Consequently we have everything from pop culture to mass shootings manufactured toward that end.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 1:41 AM

      • …you clearly have never visited France or Germany.

        Most urban and suburban places in these countries are very diverse. France and New Zealand are just as diverse as the United States. Germany and the Netherlands are just as diverse as England. Canada and Singapore are in between. Australia is a little bit more homogeneous, but it’s still a racially diverse country.

        SC

        August 6, 2019 at 8:42 AM

      • Not really a good answer.

        The average American is impulsive and pushy.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 6, 2019 at 9:16 AM

      • The most racially diverse countries are in Africa. Are you from there?

        My 2¢

        August 6, 2019 at 9:19 PM

    • Maybe because the leftists in the US have come down so hard on whites, and many are openly racist towards whites. As was Obama at times.

      Rosenmops

      August 5, 2019 at 4:56 PM

      • Stats for Canada show that Québec with a significant population of 8 million is the 2nd lowest in homicides among the provinces. Newfoundland Labrador with a tiny population of only 500K has a lower rate.

        There are several possibilities. non-whites and Anglo Whites tend to be more violent than French Canadian Whites. But interestingly, 1st Nations in Québec commit far fewer homicides than their counterparts in the prolier Anglo provinces.

        https://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/provincial/society/homicides.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 6, 2019 at 9:59 AM

      • Now, could it be that Québec’s welfare state has something to with it? You know, it’s welfare system that mirrors the other side of the Atlantic, specifically Scandinavia and Western Continental Europe.

        And again, the welfare system of the Anglo world in Europe is crap:

        https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/blog/social-benefits-europe-isnt-britain/

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 6, 2019 at 11:00 AM

    • This is a good question. Western societies have become defacto polygamous societies like many Muslim countries, where the top 20% of men monopolise the dating market. It just hasn’t become official here yet. It seems natural that we would therefore have some of the same social problems of polygamous societies, but there are some differences.

      Perhaps one is that men here still hold on to a romantic belief that society should be organised another way, that there ought to be a ‘special someone’ out there waiting for them. Maybe poor men in Muslim countries never become disillusioned because they never believed it could be any other way, They never held any illusions, so they never become disillusioned.

      Maybe in third world countries people know that their families will suffer more stigma and persecution because of their actions and that holds their impulses in check. Families in the West are not held responsible for the actions of their children in the same way. Generally speaking people in the West are a lot more atomised and it’s easier in many ways for them to think about doing stuff like this.

      Men in the third world perhaps hold onto the dream of escaping to the West and making a life for themselves there, whereas Omega males in the West feel there is nowhere better for them to dream of escaping to.

      Men in third world countries find other outlets for their violent impulses and sexual frustration: rape, sexual abuse of family members, inter-ethnic tribal conflict and terrorism, other kinds of crime. Whilst Lion is correct that these shootings are not true terrrorist attacks, I’m sure they’d be open to terrorism if that was an option. Lion compares these shooters to Islamic terrorists in the West and says they are not the same. That is true, but then in places like Iraq there is plenty of low-level violence, car bombings and lynchings and beatings that probably involve men who are a lot more similar to the shooters in America than the examples he has given.

      prolier than thou

      August 5, 2019 at 6:25 PM

    • I can think of two reasons: 1) the background stress caused by lack a welfare state and 2)the American stigma against going to prostitutes. In Germany or France a beta male doesn’t have to stress about health care, the government generally helps you if you lose your job and there are fewer rich alpha males rubbing your inferiority in your face. Also Europeans tend to attribute success to luck and the social position you were born into. There is less stigma associated with being a loser. In the US you blame and hate yourself.

      In Europe a guy who can’t get laid just goes to a prostitute. In many countries prostitution is legal, prostitutes are easy to find, and men of all social classes frequent prostitutes, even rich businessmen. Americans like to idealize and sacralize concepts like guns, sex or the Flag. Europeans tend to have a more cynical practical outlook in daily life.

      Peter Akuleyev

      August 6, 2019 at 2:28 AM

      • “Europeans tend to have a more cynical practical outlook in daily life”

        I’m still reeling from the shock after knowing two fairly attractive European women who don’t use a smartphone, just a cellphone without internet and texting.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 6, 2019 at 9:09 AM

      • You don’t know anything about the German healthcare system.

        I have friends in Germany. Doctors, for example, have no appointments. You go and wait. And wait. And wait. So…if you have huge blocks of time before getting to see a doctor…then…yes…German healthcare is great.

        These medical systems take advantage of that level of patience in a particular population.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 5:49 PM

  16. Guns were plentiful in the 1950s and much easier to get than they are today (no waiting periods), yet no one was shooting up schools, Macy’s or the workplace. So no, it’s not guns. There’s something insidious in the culture.

    Brendan

    August 5, 2019 at 3:45 PM

    • Children are not taught the story of God, it’s that simple.

      A Dilettante

      August 5, 2019 at 5:04 PM

      • I agree that this is the result of a major shift in the way people think.

        destructure

        August 6, 2019 at 10:47 AM

    • Great scene in “The Getaway” (1972) where Steve McQueen goes into a hardware store and in 3 minutes buys a shotgun and shells for $18 or something like that.

      Vipltd

      August 5, 2019 at 5:31 PM

      • “Phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range.”

        “Hey, just what ya see, pal.”

        Oswald Spengler

        August 6, 2019 at 12:48 AM

    • While guns were plentiful in the 1950’s they weren’t quite like today’s guns. Mostly people had hunting rides and shotguns, which had relatively smaller capacities and rarely came with detachable magazines. AR’s were still in the future. Handguns weren’t as common as today, and for the most part were revolvers with 6-shot capacities. Automatic pistols with higher capacities existed but weren’t popular.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      August 5, 2019 at 6:06 PM

      • So what? The Va Tech shooter did a shitload of damage just with handguns. Ditto the Va Beach shooter. People in the 50’s could have inflicted similar damage with the weapons of that era but didn’t. And the AR-15 has been available to the public longer than you think.

        Brendan

        August 5, 2019 at 11:31 PM

      • The AR-15 fires a round smaller and slower than a typical hunting round.

        map

        August 6, 2019 at 1:49 AM

      • I believe John Browning would disagree. His Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle with 5, 10 and 15 round detachable box magazines has been around since 1905. And, of course, the M1 Carbine with 15 and 30 round detachable box magazines became available to civilians shortly after WW2. Both of those would be similar enough to an AR15 to refute your point.

        destructure

        August 6, 2019 at 10:17 AM

    • In the 1950s the NRA still promoted responsible gun ownership. It was only in the 1970s that it started turning into a lobbying organisation for gun manufacturers determined to scare Americans into buying as many guns as possible and making gun ownership “sacred.”

      Peter Akuleyev

      August 6, 2019 at 2:46 AM

    • No fear of hell maybe?

      We are a much more nihilistic culture than we were in the 50’s. I think the Dayton and El Paso shooter, despite their divergent politics, seem to have this in common.

      Mike Street Station

      August 7, 2019 at 5:39 AM

  17. “3. The problem is with our public school system which is a Lord of the Flies type of environment where the beta males are bullied, and naturally those who are mercilessly bullied have revenge fantasies, and a very tiny percentage of those beta males actually carry out revenge fantasies using easily obtained and legally purchased semi-automatic weapons with large clips.”

    Public schools have always been like that. They were like that in the 1950s and 1960s, but mass shootings were rare. The difference was that young men could not go purchase “semi-automatic weapons with large clips.”

    The first mass shooting I remember was the 1966 University of Texas tower shooting, 14 killed. The shooter was an ex-Marine. He killed his wife and mother the night before to spare them future humiliation according to a note he left. In the morning he purchased additional guns and ammunition. He went to the UT campus and gained access to the observation deck of the tower of the main building on campus. He had a number of rifles and other guns including a M1 carbine that may or may not be considered a semi-automatic assault rifle depending on your definition. He started shooting people on campus from the observation deck. It took 90 minutes for police to reach the observation deck and kill him. Police were slow to reach the tower because the shooter would fire at them, making it difficult for them to approach the building. One officer was killed trying to reach the building. One of the two officers who eventually killed the shooter reached the building using underground tunnels.

    The shooter in the UT case had sought professional help for violent impulses including the fantasy of shooting people from the tower. The autopsy of the shooter revealed he had a tumor in the hypothalamus portion of his brain. It is not known if that was a factor in his violent impulses.

    The UT Texas shooter was an ex-Marine and used his military training to help plan his mass shooting. Today any young person can buy powerful rifles with high capacity magazines. Even without a lot of training those weapons can be very deadly.

    MikeCA

    August 5, 2019 at 5:00 PM

  18. I’m old enough to remember when gun control people said they weren’t interested in long guns. It was handguns that they wanted to ban. Ban the Saturday Night Special! You can’t conceal a rifle! Etc.

    Steverino@steverino.com

    August 5, 2019 at 5:05 PM

    • Do most gun control advocates want to ban long guns? Most serious people want a European solution where handguns and semi-automatic weapons are not available to non-professionals but hunting rifles, shotguns, muzzle loaders, etc. are fairly easy for citizens to acquire.

      Peter Akuleyev

      August 6, 2019 at 2:49 AM

  19. Once again, the headlines use the phrase “GUN VIOLENCE.” Not so long ago, “shooting” was used. This replacements must be a deliberate effort in order to brainwash readers and make them feel that among the factors that affect the murder rate, gun ownership is the most important one. Which is nonsense because the number of homicides is a fraction of what it was at the peak (in 1990) even though it is not a lot harder to buy a gun than in 1990.

    It’s almost like the USSR – they had guys in the Kremlin who were instructing newspapers on which expressions should appear and which ones should disappear.
    Look at the Ngram:
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gun+violence&year_start=1960&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cgun%20violence%3B%2Cc0

    WRB

    August 5, 2019 at 11:15 PM

    • Why would it be different here from the USSR?

      My 2¢

      August 6, 2019 at 9:24 PM

  20. Can we try to convert 2nd amendment into states rights from federal rights? Just asking.
    I’m from California and anti gun. I would be happy if we had state laws that u could not have any guns in ur possession as long as u in California. Then I have no problem with people owning assault rifles in Ohio or Missouri. Let them all have guns. Most of us could care less if there is a massacre 4 states away. People panic because they think it could happen in their neighborhood.

    Is this doable?

    Mpt

    August 5, 2019 at 11:32 PM

    • The Gilroy Garlic Festival shooter bought his gun a few weeks before in Nevada. The gun he used is already illegal in California. He illegally imported it into California. It is very hard to enforce gun laws state by state.

      MikeCA

      August 6, 2019 at 12:33 PM

  21. MEH 0910

    August 6, 2019 at 12:57 AM

  22. I’ll preface my comments by saying that the El Paso shooter was evil and stupid. That being said I’ll have to agree with Lion that he was not mentally ill. We’re going to see more of these shootings as a result of Trump’s election but not for the reasons that leftists think. We will see more shootings because Trump is failing on the issue of immigration. He tries to build a wall and the Republicans stop him in Congress. He tries to ban travel from certain, terrorist producing countries and the courts stop him. He orders his Secretary of Homeland Security to conduct deportations and they nab two people in what is reported to be a major operation. Anti-immigration nationalists will look at this and rightfully conclude that elections no longer matter. We elect the guy who appears to genuinely want to tackle this issue, along with a Republican House and Senate, and what happens? Nothing. Nothing changes, in fact it gets worse. If your Government refuses to enforce laws, passed by the elected Representatives of the people and even if they do they are stopped by the unelected judges and bureaucrats, what course of action is left? The American Revolution was started over far less serious issues. The reason this guy is an idiot is because indiscriminately targeting innocent civilians as a lone wolf will never succeed. I don’t know how to regain control of the country but I don’t think that violence is the answer. That being said I can’t help but wonder though how many others out there feel that they have no other recourse left besides violent revolution.

    Novanegativist

    August 6, 2019 at 9:53 AM

    • This is why the targeting of innocent civilians make it a false flag.

      map

      August 6, 2019 at 5:56 PM

  23. I’d consider restricting modern sporting rifles to 10 round magazines and raising the age to 21 like they do for handguns. Provided the age for alcohol and tobacco was also raised to 21. If gun grabbers aren’t willing to do that then they’re hypocrites. Because alcohol and tobacco kill a lot more people than firearms.

    destructure

    August 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM

  24. With the exception of the congressional baseball attack a “clip” is typically not used with these rifles. The AR and AK pattern rifles all feed from detachable box magazines. Very rare to use some WW2 or early Cold War era rifle that takes stripper clips.

    Boswald Bollocksworth

    August 6, 2019 at 12:26 PM

    • SKS use stripper clips. And there are tons of those around. The kid in Gilroy used one.

      destructure

      August 6, 2019 at 12:52 PM

  25. “Gun nuts will say “but we need guns to protect ourselves from home invasions and overthrow the leftist government or whatever fantasies we have!” People who support gun control have great statistics showing why the gun-nut fantasy about using guns to protect themselves is really nonsense”

    Most times when you are about to use a deadly weapon in self defense, the mere fact that you have it dissuades the attacker, so you don’t have to use it, and therefore the incident never shows up in the statistics. Question: Have you ever confronted someone while holding a deadly weapon? I have.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    August 9, 2019 at 4:07 PM


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