Lion of the Blogosphere

Do females play D&D?

According to Wizards of the Coast, in 2017, 38% of D&D players were female. Of course you need to take what WotC says with a grain of salt, because they have a financial interest in presenting their player base as diverse and growing so that more people will want to buy their products.

However, there is lots of other evidence that female participation in D&D has been increasing. There has been a D&D renaissance with more people than ever playing. There are popular YouTube and Twitch series of people playing D&D. As something becomes perceived as less weird and more mainstream, more females will be willing to try it. (The female sex is turned off by the weird and the non-mainstream.)

Based on differences between what men and women look for in games, it’s logical that D&D would be more interesting to women than most other tabletop games. D&D is more verbal and cooperative, very much the opposite of chess which is a pure competition between two people with a winner and a loser, with no talking involved. It’s not surprising that chess players skew heavily male (allegedly 85% male, 15% female) despite chess being perceived as a non-weird mainstream game (as far as board games go).

On the other hand, women always played card games. Both of my grandmothers played cards. And there was a time when Mahjongg was very popular with old women, despite the rules being pretty complicated. Scrabble is also popular with women.

But like with all things, among those who go all-in, for example the kind of D&D players who have memorized all of the “core” rulebooks and every supplement, they are going to be predominantly male.

Because being a dungeon master requires being more all-in than merely being a player, I predict that the percent of female dungeon masters would be lower than the percent of female players.

Because D&D was perceived as weird and nerdy in times past, it also follows that older players will skew more male, while there will be higher rates of female participation among younger players who are unaware of how D&D was perceived in the 1980s.

I think it’s possible that in another twenty years, D&D could be perceived as more a game that women play than men! As a cooperative, non-competitive game that involves narrative and improvisational acting, it should theoretically appeal more to women than to men.

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Sid writes in a comment:

I’m a white man, and my hobbies have skewed towards the nerdy.

That said, the two times I played D&D were in college, and I was invited by a girl. There were at least two girls in the games I played.

The girls definitely weren’t queen bees. They were into the “geek chic” look. Over the last 15 years or so, there’s been a certain category of girl who get into geeky interests for whatever reason, and it seems like D&D is an area where they gravitate.

Too bad those girls didn’t exist when I was young.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

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  1. See my last comment on the other thread.

    But here’s a good photo of what D&D most often looks like in the real world:

    It’s not really the opposite of chess at all when much of your time is spent taking turns moving pieces (representing your characters) around a chess-like grid.

    Note all of the men at the table staring at their character sheets in thought, contemplating the tactical possibilities of each character’s unique set of abilities as they attempt to defeat their foe. And see the one female at the table staring blankly into the distance, as she derives no enjoyment from this aspect of the game.

    Wency

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • They’re playing the game the wrong way.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Lion, “those girls” did exist when you were young. And when I was young. Maybe the weren’t into RPGs, but they were the quiet, studious ones who guys like us wouldn’t have given a second look. And then they went to college, became grew into their looks, got kick-ass jobs making major bank, and are now married with three kids. And not married to a Chad, but rather to a regular guy who had the brains to treat her like a human being, neither pedestaling nor negging her.

        Please pass this to any teen boys you know.

        I feel like Yul Brynner, dying of cancer and warning people not to smoke like he did.

        njguy73

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I’ve known attractive women in their early 20s lose their beauty after pursuing a PhD program in a matter of years. They have short hair, an aged look from all the research and study, with a Dr. in front of their names. It’s a very depressing, yet fascinating transformation.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I presume only older and less desirable younger women take part in these games. For the older ladies, they are past their prime and they have Non-SMV. As a result, they are spending their days numbered playing these games, in otherwise depressing state.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I work with a ton of uber-nerds and I have never known a elderly lady who plays. Mostly it’s thin but facially unattractive young women, and a few middle aged women.

        SC

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Middle aged women who are single belong to this older demographic. When you have Non-SMV as a single woman in your late 40s, life doesn’t seem exuberant anymore.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • SC is right (though there are certainly plenty of fatties among the female D&D crowd, I have encountered my share of thin-yet-unattractive types). I’m trying to think how old the oldest female D&D player is that I’ve ever met. Certainly none older than 40, and most likely none older than early 30s.

        Meanwhile, among men there are old-timers in their 50s or even 60s who got into the hobby in the 1970s and never stopped playing.

        Wency

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

    • The only correct way to play D&D is larp:

      Lightning Bolt

      SlushFundPuppie

      August 9, 2019 at EDT am

  2. Anecdotal data:
    My little D&D group, circa 1984, sophomore/junior year in HS, had about 5 nerdy guys and one cute nerdy chick who played with us a couple of times but wasn’t part of the core group. In retrospect I think she enjoyed being the center of attention from this group of betas and omegas. And I think she was hot for me and perhaps using D&D as an attempt to connect with me, but I was too dense at the time to see that. I never played D&D after HS.

    Kosher Kowboy

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • For your own good, do not look up your female D&D friend on Facebook.

      njguy73

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Why. Do you suspect that she has become really old and really ugly?

        SC

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • No, the opposite. That she’s now a top-of-the-line MILF and you’ll be kicking yourself for letting her get away.

        njguy73

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • What is SMV?

      On another topic, maybe there are a lot of men who cant find a girlfriend because they are too fussy. They are used to seeing stunningly beautiful women on TV, movies and Internet.

      200 years ago they would have only been exposed to girls in their village, or maybe the next village over. They wouldnt have known that more beautiful girls existed.

      Rosenmops

      August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • A person’s Sexual Market Value.

        For men, it’s not only their physique that determines their SMV for the ladies, it includes career, social status and resources. There are dating gurus who tell men that women don’t judge a man’s physical appearance but his other qualities, and as long as he has game. Of course, we know this is not entirely correct.

        If you know who was George Sodini, he had beta male rage and shot up a group of women in a fitness center a decade ago. He was longing for a woman for eons and couldn’t find one. He attended a dating seminar where the instructor told him that nice guys don’t get any women.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • That goes both ways, though. There are women riding the carousel/postponing marriage because they can’t get commitment from an uber-alpha, while in the past they never would have known that Chris Hemsworth existed.

        Hermes

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • Plenty of men are certainly too picky (especially, as I noted elsewhere, in wanting women who share their hobbies) but I think the fussiness affects women more. Men are more disposed to take what they can get; women have a more firmly-established minimum standard which can quickly become unrealistic. Cue all the women who say they’ll only date a guy taller than 6′ (a single-digit % of the population).

        I also think that with the War on Beauty — facial piercings, obesity, tattoos, and mannish haircuts — a man doesn’t necessarily need TV to have unrealistic standards, he just has to compare the women around him to how he remembers girls in high school and college, before most of them self-destructed. Actually, things were a lot better among 20-something women as recently as 5-10 years ago.

        And while plenty of women don’t have these things, they are extremely common among single women. I probably auto-excluded 60-70% of women based on these four criteria alone when I was single (not very long ago). Still found myself a good wife, but took a lot of sifting.

        Wency

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • Ordinary Janes need to realize that they don’t have a shot a Chris Hemsworth any more than ordinary Joes have a shot at Margot Robbie.And it has nothing to do with looks or game. The Janes and Joes don’t exist in Hemsworth’s or Robbie’s orbit.

        njguy73

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

  3. I have never played it. I never had any friends who played it. I might have tried if so, I don’t the first thing about it.

    In my day, we played board games, card games and stuff like that. Chinese checkers. Cribbage.

    I classify games as either “competitive-passive” or “competitive-aggressive”. The passive games were like running in a race. Each person ran alone and the winner was the fastest. Chinese checkers like this, although you did have the ability to foresee the other person’s move and block it. The winner got all his or her pieces to the other side first.

    In the aggressive game, you fought with each other. Regular checkers: you could seize your competitor’s checker pieces. Sports analogy would be contact sports like football, hockey.

    I never like the competitive-aggressive. In regular checkers, I felt bad if I seized my opponent’s piece. I tried chess a few times but 1) I had no friend who knew how to play it and 2) it involved seizing your competitor ‘s pieces so I didn’t miss it.

    I don’t know anything about D&D. Is it a video game or what? I was busy with other activities when it came out.

    I found video games boring. I’d rather play solitaire than Pac Man. A complete bore. I never tried any other game.

    From what I’ve seen of recent video games they’re aggressive and I know I wouldn’t like them.

    I’m over 65 so it was definitely not around when I was young.

    Frau Katze

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I agree with that breakdown on board games, though my preferences are the opposite. The “euro” games that have become more popular in the last 15 or so years have very passive competition, often feeling like everyone at the table is playing his own game of solitaire. I find these more boring than ones where the competition is much more direct, where you are able to thoroughly and directly crush your opponent.

      I suspect this preference is most correlated with the “agreeableness” personality trait. Women tend to score higher on it, but plenty of men are agreeable too.

      Wency

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I strongly suspect the absence of women in high stakes chess but their presence at bridge games would be related to a tendency to not want to harm the other person. There would be exceptions of course.

        I never played bridge because you needed four people.

        I mostly played games with a girl next door (both in our early teens). I would play classical music while we went at cribbage or Chinese checkers. My mother had a lot of classical music and I was permitted to buy a few that weren’t her collection.

        I lost touch with my neighbor but met her again by chance as an adult. She said what she most remembered was the music. It gave her a good introduction to music she had to other opportunity to hear at that age, she told me.

        Frau Katze

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I have played bridge and I thought it was stupid because it’s too easy to cheat with your partner. I much prefer every-man-for-himself games like Hearts.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I tried to play Catan, and I found it a bore.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Directly competitive games have a problem when played in a setting other than 1 vs 1, namely the weakest player usually decides who wins the game. This is generally seen as not desirable. Also, games where there are more than 2 players means there’s often times where one or more people are literally sitting around doing nothing.

        Although I agree, playing a “game” where each person is only solving their own puzzle is clearly bad.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I’ve noticed that same trend in modern board games, where it feels like everyone is playing single player and you just compare arbitrary scores at the end. I don’t like it. I don’t need to crush opponents but there should be some sort of interaction.

        ack-acking

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @Panther:

        This is true — kingmaker scenarios are very common in free-for-all games with direct competition. The victory has the potential to feel more hollow as a result; was the winner the best player, or the one who happened to be targeted the least? Was the game just a popularity contest?

        When all is said and done, I prefer this to that “multiplayer solitaire” feeling, but it’s a personal preference.

        The purest form of competition is a game that is deterministic and 2-player — e.g. chess. But often more fun can be had with the chaos generated by randomness and multiplayer.

        Wency

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

  4. I dated this chick who was a very well-known Magic The Gathering card player many years ago. She was very thin (in a good way) and relatively attractive but not a knockout, but you’d thought she had looks like Giselle Bundchen considering the number of dudes she had on a string lurking on her every comment in social media. She was (literally) known amongst male Magic players all across the country, and she wasn’t even a top player.

    And nothing was more annoying that hanging out at her place and having to watch that awful old Buffy the Vampire show (with Sarah Michelle Gellar) all day and night.

    Camlost

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I liked Buffy! Except for the horrible 7th season.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I liked Buffy! Except for the horrible 7th season.

        I can’t get over the fact that she always seemed so unprepared for every single contingency – always – even though she got jumped by Demons or werewolves on every trip to homeroom.

        Camlost

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  5. There’s definitely been a shift in the way it’s played over the years. My impression is that it used to be mostly a tactical wargame (which is what it was orginally, “Chainmail” was the precursor to D&D). The DMs would throw merciless fights at the players, and the players would have to find clever combat tricks and min/max builds to survive.

    Now it’s apparently a faux-paux to think too much about combat (“Murder hobos” is the common derogatory term for players who just want to fight). You’re supposed to put all your effort into “telling a story” while the DM basically takes care of combat for you. Apparently it’s pretty common now for DMs to cheat and fix the dice rolls to basically guarantee that all the players survive. Or they just make the fights really easy so you’ll win no matter what.

    ack-acking

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Again, I think the way the game is played in the real world is much more in the “murder hobo” direction, with focus on combat tactics. Certainly anyone playing the game in a public setting (like the photo I posted above from some convention) is playing it this way. There is still an overarching story to bind things together and opportunities to act discussions out, but at least half the time at the table is generally involved in combat.

      Worth noting that D&D is a more combat-focused game — almost all the rules are related to combat, most of your abilities relate to combat, etc. So if you’re ignoring combat, you’re ignoring most of the material in the rulebooks. There are other RPGs that are more narrative focused, where you have more rules that relate to peaceful resolutions, more ways to award good storytelling, etc., but I haven’t played them very much. D&D remains far and away the most popular.

      Wency

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • D&D is the most popular tabletop RPG for the same reason that Coke is the most popular soda. It was first. It has name recognition.

        There are many non-combat spells. Like Disguise Self, Detect Magic, Detect Good and Evil, Identify, Tenser’s Floating Disk, Illusory Script, and those are all just first level spells. (No, I haven’t memorized the Player’s Handbook, I am just reading through the spells online at a website that has a list of all the spells.)

        In the first two episodes of the second season of Critical Role, many more non-combat spells were cast than combat spells.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Anyone doing a D&D show is going to play up the non-combat material because it’s more interesting to watch, for the same reason that an improv comedy show is more interesting to watch than a chess tournament. Also, by definition anyone putting out a show is by definition more of a performer, perhaps even a trained actor, and acting comes more naturally to them than to typical nerds.

        The point is, there are people who play D&D like that, but in my experience a small minority. And most of them, if they’re dedicated to the acting side of RPGs, will eventually gravitate away from D&D and towards other games, especially White Wolf LARPing, or games like Fiasco.

        Wency

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I agree with Wency. The idea of making rules to control your play-acting is generally going to lean toward something conflict-focused. That’s a natural inclination as soon as you systematize what would otherwise be free-form improvisational acting. Making rules for social situations is hard, but for physical challenges is less so.

        The appeal of the game for most guys is less about creating amazing, dramatic stories, but rather in playing out mostly archetypal roles while meeting & overcoming challenges. Same reason why most comic-book superheroes have similar backstories (and even personalities), but are still popular.

        The emphasis on acting is a trend away from the root of the experience, and naturally situations that downplay rules and emphasize acting will draw in more women.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • To feminize it by reducing active conflict. That’s a bad idea IMO. Clearly ever society needs men who are aggressive when it’s needed. Like, say, WW 2. Although I suspect all attempts to change human nature will fail.

      I object to all this adult engineering of kids. It wasn’t like that in my day. No one was particularly interested on what games kids and teens played. It was considered completely recreational and kids were free play what games they liked.

      Actually, some girls weren’t even up for cribbage or Chinese checkers. My best friend, with whom I have been friends since high school strongly dislikes such games. But we did other things.

      Frau Katze

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Murderhobo is more about how players see NPCs as loot sacks to be used and abused at will. The default player morality is somewhere between serial killer, serial rapist, and loot hoarding dragon.

      At this point, I’ve come full circle on the issue. Playing Kromgar the Terrible, dragon suplexer, and enslaving peasant villages to build a nacho cheese cannon may not be poignant high art, but it is a lot of fun.

      Monsieur le Baron

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. I’m a white man, and my hobbies have skewed towards the nerdy.

    That said, the two times I played D&D were in college, and I was invited by a girl. There were at least two girls in the games I played.

    The girls definitely weren’t queen bees. They were into the “geek chic” look. Over the last 15 years or so, there’s been a certain category of girl who get into geeky interests for whatever reason, and it seems like D&D is an area where they gravitate.

    Sid

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. Would be interesting to see the BMI statistics for those women

    Fact Checker

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I only have anecdotes, and I live in an area of the country where waistlines are more similar to the ones in Europe than in flyover America. Take this with a grain of salt: the D&D girls and women in my area tend to be young, thin, and facially unattractive.

      SC

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • There is only about 10% difference in overweight between the states with the highest and lowest rates. And most of that has to do with a state’s racial make-up. For example, people from the same race have similar obesity rates. So states with more blacks and hispanics will have a higher percentage of overweight people. But there’s always some status whore trying to turn a racial issue into a class / regional issue.

        Similarly, there’s always some status whore spouting off about europe. Which brings me to a second point. White Americans beat Europeans on almost everything from education to income. But just like with the demographic differences dragging some state’s numbers down, America’s larger NAM population drags America’s numbers down.

        This “thin” nonsense is some kind of weird class marker where women try to status signal by being underweight. The ideal is lean and fit not “thin”. I doubt many men prefer women who are skinny and titless. Except maybe pedophiles or homosexual fashion designers.

        destructure

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • If those young and thin women were wearing makeup and showing a lot leg skin and heels, you would have a different opinion of them. It’s really the overweight and middle aged women who are nonredeemable to men.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • @Ok what

        But if you were to have a relationship with a thin and facially ugly woman, you’d eventually see her without makeup. So makeup only helps facially ugly women attract boyfriends, not keep them.

        Most men can tell the difference between a beautiful face and an average or ugly one with makeup on.

        SC

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • Many women look gorgeous with makeup, but most of them look like they just woke up after a night of binge drinking in their natural state.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • “Many women look gorgeous with makeup, but most of them look like they just woke up after a night of binge drinking in their natural state.”

        Absolutely true. Most women without makeup look disgusting. Apparently, SC thinks she’s the exception. I doubt it. She suffers from some weird kind of class narcissism.

        destructure

        August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

  8. I asked my 15 yo daughter about the gender makeup of her group. She says all boys except for her, there was one other girl but the boys scared her off. So maybe that 38% includes dabblers.

    My girls are nerdier than most and in terms of entertainment/ games they prefer video games, usually non violent ones like Sims, or if it is violent it has to have a story line, ie walking dead or the last of us. Minecraft is also huge for them as are creative platforms where they can design short animated pieces. They also love binge watching streaming shows. I don’t see d&d gripping the hearts of females in the future, sorry.

    toomanymice

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Similiar here, daughter likes minecraft, sims or any other game which involves creating environment or characters, I don’t think she even knows what D&D is. But one of my ex used to play it with her group of male friends in the 90′, she was not nerdy at all and tried to drag me to a game once. They were all south Americans and south Europeans, not nerdy at all, maybe they didn’t get the memo that it supposed to be a nerd’s game.

      Hashed

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • It definitely includes dabblers.

      Among hardcore players it’s probably like 85-15.

      SC

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  9. Chess is only 85% male? That’s surprising.

    Looch

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Possibly a fake statistic.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

      • What’s also surprising is that there are blacks who enjoy playing chess such as the ones you see in Union Square Park across from Whole Foods in Manhattan. However, these blacks tend to be completely disenfranchised and older, and playing chess is what the better specimens take up to spend their idle days.

        In a blue moon, you can find a White female playing chess with one of these guys. It’s creepy to watch, but it’s once in a blue moon.

        Union Square Park is an urban cesspool of these chess players, the Hare Krishna, the farmer’s market, the protests, and the gaming guys who are trying to get a girl’s number as she walks by.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  10. A recent attempt at calculating the proportion of female video-gamers found that although women were 18.5% of gamers overall they constituted 36% of those playing fantasy MMORPGs*, 33% of those playing Japanese RPGs**, and 26% of those playing Western RPGs***. This seems consistent with about one-third of D&D players being female.

    * Specifically, World of Warcraft, Rift, Lord of the Rings Online, EverQuest II, The Elder Scrolls Online
    ** Specifically, Fire Emblem Fates, Bravely Default (series), Tales of Zestiria, Pokemon Sun and Moon
    *** Specifically, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Fallout 4, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

    D.

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. Working at a renaissance faire might seem to the uninitiated as about as nerdy an activity as you can get. Yet I have it on very good authority that after hours, in the workers’ campgrounds, there is invariably an enormous amount of salami-hiding.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • There’s a Big Bang Theory episode where the main four go to a Ren faire and Sheldon points out all the historical inaccuracies, leading to this:

      Howard Wolowitz: Renaissance fairs aren’t about historical accuracy. They’re about taking chubby girls who work at Kinkos and lacing them up in corsets so tight their bosom jumps out and says “howdy”.

      Sheldon Cooper: Bosoms would not have said “howdy” in the Fifteenth Century. If anything, they would have said “Huzzah!”

      Howard Wolowitz: I don’t care what the bosoms say, Sheldon. I just want to be part of the conversation.

      Now that’s a show Lion need to discuss.

      njguy73

      August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • I never watched it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • Early seasons Wolowitz was GOLD.

        The actor, Simon Helberg, is more talented than the lot of them.

        fakeemail

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

    • You’re surprised that unattractive people have sex with each other when they are together in an isolated area after hours?

      ScarletNumber

      August 12, 2019 at EDT am

  12. Do females play D&D?

    No.

    kingmaker

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. 30% trannies and 8% biological females.

    snorlax

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

  14. OT: Those two young men who killed three people in BC then headed for the bush country of northern Manitoba have been found dead. The article did not say how they died. It was a huge manhunt in a very empty part of the country.

    The boys did not know or have anyone obvious reason or to kill three people, two of them were a young American women and her Australian boyfriend.

    People speak of being “eaten alive” by mosquitoes. There would be other biting insects in that country.

    Frau Katze

    August 8, 2019 at EDT pm

    • That story made the front page of reddit- I hadn’t even heard of the crimes/ manhunt in the US msm- maybe lion can do a psychological profile of the killers.

      toomanymice

      August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • They didn’t kill their victims with a gun, so they were alpha. But they weren’t alpha enough for Mother Nature.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 9, 2019 at EDT am

      • @OK The news reports are still far from complete. Were they armed? I can’t figure it out. Hunting rifles are common in Canada although handguns are much more tightly regulated than in the US.

        Exactly how did they kill their victims? I can’t find that info either.

        Frau Katze

        August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

      • This story was front page news in Australia. I know a few Aussies online and was told it was big news there.

        The unfortunate young man was ironically the son of a man at a high level in New South Wales police.

        That one victim was American has not drawn much interest from the US.

        Frau Katze

        August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “That one victim was American has not drawn much interest from the US.”

        There was no component of the story that could bash Trump (ie-racial element) so therefore in the US it’s not considered news.

        Mike Street Station

        August 10, 2019 at EDT am

  15. @njguy73

    Yes, “those girls” did exist and most us us were too busy drooling over the lookers and beating ourselves up for not being good enough.

    There are nice smart girls who are 4, 5 or 6s who with the love of marriage and children bloom up 2 points. Smart young betas should scoop them up early and they will end up ahead.

    But there are not enough of those girls.

    All the hotties are fiercely competed for and taken. Of the rest, there is a sizable undateable amount because too fat or too feminized. (NOTE: by fat, I mean FAT. Big or chubby girls should not be discounted; they make good kids.)

    I’m for OPEN BORDERS for women of childbearing age. Asian, Latina, Eastern European, all of it. These women are still women and want to wives. This country is a fucking sausage-fest.

    fakeemail

    August 9, 2019 at EDT am

    • White nationalist men: “Interracial marriage is white genocide! It should be outlawed! White women who marry black men should be stoned to death!”

      Also white nationalist men: “Our own interracial marriages should be the exception!”

      SC

      August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Our own interracial marriages should be the exception!”

        Said no white nationalist ever. That’s the second time you’ve made that claim. I think you’re confused about what white nationalists think.

        destructure

        August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Also, lot of the good catches I describe above are off the table for a while cause they’re looking at just the alphaboys.

      Fakeemail

      August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “I’m for OPEN BORDERS for women of childbearing age. Asian, Latina, Eastern European, all of it. These women are still women and want to wives. This country is a fucking sausage-fest.”

      Problem? Meet solution.

      Mike Street Station

      August 10, 2019 at EDT am

      • Anthony Weiner back in 2008 was pushing to expand the scope of the P-4 visa program to allow more fashion models. Too bad he was forced out of being a politician. He could have been running for President by now.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 10, 2019 at EDT am

      • That sounds exactly the type of immigration Weiner would support, only underage models.

        Mike Street Station

        August 10, 2019 at EDT am

  16. The girl I liked in high school played dnd but quickly stopped after realizing she was attracting betas and omegas, she’s married to a Lebanese chad now who’s a huge Bernie bro

    Gm

    August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Open borders and welfare hurts beta men economically and romantically.

      I see little reason for loyalty to a country that cant get a good guy paid or laid.

      Fakeemail

      August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

    • You can’t be a chad and support Bernie. Or any democrat.

      Chads and Stacys are mostly apolitical because politics is for ugly nerds.

      SC

      August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Chads and Stacys support the status quo because the status quo has been good to them. Right now, the status quo is Democrats and RINOs.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 9, 2019 at EDT pm

  17. I think WotC is presenting an accurate number here. Before the guys get too excited though, just remember that while the odds may be good, the goods are odd. Conventionally attractive women don’t play D&D.

    ScarletNumber

    August 12, 2019 at EDT am


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