Lion of the Blogosphere

Why was Epstein taken off suicide watch?

The most obvious reason is that keeping someone on suicide watch costs money. Suicide watch means that he has to be continuously monitored to make sure he doesn’t commit suicide. Prisons are the most underfunded of all governmental institutions. No one on the outside cares about prisons as long as the prisoners don’t escape.

Also, it seems to me that there was pressure not to give special treatment to Epstein. Florida took a lot of flak for giving Epstein the special billionaire’s treatment while he was serving his sentence. The feds seemed determined to treat Epstein just like any other scumbag in prison, and scumbags in prison don’t get their own 24/7 guard to make sure they don’t commit suicide.

Furthermore, it’s kind of ironic that commenters who are adamantly opposed to government healthcare because they say government is too incompetent to run anything are the ones expressing disbelief that there could have been any incompetence at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. If you want to know more about the MCC, read this Gothamist article from a year ago (before Epstein was in the news).

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 10, 2019 at EDT pm

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  1. The medical examiner is about to start Epstein’s autopsy when he gets an urgent phone call. “We have your wife. You are going to find that Epstein was a suicide, and your wife will be released safe and sound. And of course you’ll never do anything silly like mention this to anyone.”

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    August 10, 2019 at EDT pm

  2. You’re really beclowning yourself on this topic. Sad.

    Peterike

    August 10, 2019 at EDT pm

  3. When I was in Rikers, our cell was under 24 hour video camera surveillance. What’s special about that?

    Yakov

    August 10, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. That”s a colossally stupid comparison. Preventing inmates from killing each other requires no expertise or communication skills, just a willingness to keep one’s eyes open. ‘Course, you being the kind of trimmer who never stubs his toe, I can forgive you for not knowing how basic things are inside a jail. Have you ever even punched anyone in self-defense? Jeez.

    Jeez

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

  5. Baloney. At the jail in our jurisdiction there are mental health cases that are in a hall that is monitored by a guard. It isn’t that onerous. And they don’t have a problem staffing it because the ACLU angrily monitors the situation.

    Joe

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

    • Right. This whole thing reeks to high heaven.

      Curle

      August 11, 2019 at EDT am

  6. According to some reports, Epstein was apparently in good spirits and there was no need to monitor him.

    Now why was he put into solitary confinement? Was it because of Tartaglione or some other inmate who would assault him and he needed to be separated?

    For sure, solitary confinement can put you into a depressive mode and useful to the authorities who want you to say what they want to hear, like a torturing device used on a captive, to force him to cooperate.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

    • Maybe he faked being in good spirits to get another attempt at offing himself.

      IHTG

      August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • I think the authorities wanted to have it both ways with Epstein. Let’s demoralize and torture him by solitary confinement, and he will oblige to their terms, while at the same time, keep a eyeful watch on him so he doesn’t kill himself.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. Maybe MCC should be turned into a real-life Escape From New York place. Just send all the incorrigibles there. No guards, just the prisoners and the world they make. Once you go in, you don’t come out.

    njguy73

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

  8. This is the primary witness in the what is probably the biggest political scandal in modern history. He’s already suffered one alleged “suicide” attempt/attack. The idea that calling off the suicide watch was anything other than bald corruption is simply inconceivable. They didn’t have any trouble keeping Khalid Sheikh Mohammed alive, did they?

    PerezHBD

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

  9. It’s laughable that so few of your readers have figured out that Lion is, and always was, Jeffrey Epstein, and that right now he’s probably blogging this in a bunker under Benjamin Netanyahu’s house. His posts about value transference were his way of telling us how he made his mysterious billions. He wanted us to figure this out, but recently he has despaired of us picking up his hints and has had to make it a little more obvious.

    LION OF THE BLOGOSPHERE=EPSTEIN HELLO, HOBO FROG.

    You will note that frogs are an unclean and unkosher animals. Epstein was mocking the readers of this blog whilst justifying his nefarious lifestyle.

    prolier than thou

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

    • I wish I was Jeffry Epstein.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • Jeffrey Epstein was a rapist with money, and not a casa nova with money.

        It’s one thing to entice women using money in exchange for sex, and it’s another thing to entice women using money, insidious deception and then rape, to have sex with them. Epstein belonged to the second category. Although there are grey areas in seducing women, because the fairer sex are hypergamous by nature and are drawn to men with resources and status.

        Significantly older men who want to sleep with young females, perhaps have an easier time, deceiving teenage girls, who are less psychologically developed than college age girls, to sleep with them.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • O/t – but related to physical attractiveness of men, and how it’s a priority for women in the initial mating process, debunking the fact that women value a man’s personality and other attributes more than his looks, when selecting a potential boyfriend, just like a fleeting f#ckbuddy for a one night stand.

        Quite hilarious, that the experiment also involved older women who were to select a younger man for her daughter as a potential boyfriend, and physical attractiveness was indeed a very strong factor, more than personality.

        https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mens-looks-matter-more-than-women-admit-study-shows_n_58ecf563e4b0ca64d91978be

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • Your IQ is similar to Epsteins, correct (140s, thereabouts). Probably similar NYC working class Jewish backgrounds. So what happened?

        GondwanaMan

        August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • Epstein wanted to commit suicide, and he did.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • Im talking about your financial success. What happened to yours versus his

        GondwanaMan

        August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • “Epstein wanted to commit suicide, and he did”

        Are you saying this:

        If LoftB comes to a stall, with no more posts. Then…

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • “Im talking about your financial success. What happened to yours versus his”

        Personality, ambition, goals and Hive Mind resource networks all play a part in this, not to mention that there probably isn’t enough money floating around to permit all the trust funders and IQ 140 people to keep their money or take it from someone else.

        Curle

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • [Jeffrey Epstein was a rapist with money, and not a casa nova with money.]

        It’s kind of sad lion can’t perceive this distinction. I guess we can chalk it up to his being aspergery.

        From everything I’ve read I doubt JE hanged himself. Maybe he got his grubby hands on a plastic bag and klonopin, or some of the NAM guards lacked future time orientation/ the gravity of this case.

        toomanymice

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Significantly older men who want to sleep with young females, perhaps have an easier time, deceiving teenage girls, who are less psychologically developed than college age girls, to sleep with them.”

        Perhaps. But, I never got the impression it was overly hard to seduce college girls if you are older and mildly attractive as Epstein was. In fact, I think it’s rather easy.

        The underage girl thing has to be some sort of mental wiring problem that I’d like to have explained to me. I’ve never slept with a teen, not even as an teen, so I wouldn’t be able to compare. But, I can’t imagine why a teen would be preferable to women in their twenties.

        I do wonder if this tendency explains his desire to become a school teacher. A friend who used to recruit for big brothers said they like to use networks of average guys looking for men displaying no previous interest in working with teens, to introduce them to the concept and then to sell them on the idea rather than have candidates find them. It’s an harder way to recruit, but it seems a sensible approach.

        Curle

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

  10. Most interesting hypothesis :

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/jeffrey-epstein-rip/

    I didn’t know that Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who probably was an Israel agent.

    Bruno

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

    • I usually avoid Giraldi (I can pretty much predict what he’s gonna say) but that link was golden – thanks. Most important sentence:

      “Barry Krischer, who may have been the source of the comments to Acosta,”

      YES. Acosta must be questioned.

      Krischer is the missing link in this.

      gothamette

      August 11, 2019 at EDT am

  11. Why couldnt Epstein just have bought himself off of suicide watch?

    His lawyers file some papers and an assistant warden somewhere removes him from the list in exchange for an envelope.

    Lion of the Turmabar

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

  12. The most obvious reason is they wanted him to kill himself, and he duly obliged.

    I believe it was assisted suicide.

    BUT – no one has explained why/how Epstein’s suicide will hinder the truth from coming out. He was never gonna talk. Never ever. So his being dead doesn’t matter.

    Does it have to do with the discovery proceedings of a trial? Is that it? What would discovery reveal that a thorough review* of the documents would not?

    *PUBLIC REVIEW

    gothamette

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

    • “The most obvious reason is they wanted him to kill himself, and he duly obliged.”

      ^^^^^
      This.

      Curle

      August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It reminds me of the scene in ‘the godfather’ where Tom Hagan visits an imprisoned accomplice to the main character.

        Newyorker

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Gothamette,

      So the shadow government is at war.

      The good guys may have faked a suicide to rendition him out of the cell and to a black site. Notice how the guy on the cart does not look like Epstein. The nose and the ears are off. Epstein was moved before this happened and the “suicide” was his double, an agent who was actually extracted.

      The bad guys suiciding Epstein for real does not make sense. Why didn’t they do it before? Why wait until the 2000 pages of documents comes out where Prince Andrew, of all people, was fingered, plus an ex-president and other prominent people? The cats out of the bag.

      More importantly, the witness claimed that Trump not only did not rape anyone, he did not even flirt with anyone. Trump is, basically, exonerated.

      With Epstein gone, there is no way for a “Michael Cohen” situation to develop.

      If trues, then this was well-played by the good guys.

      map

      August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. Suicide watch doesn’t cost money. It’s not like guards get OT for it. And even in psych wards suicide watch usually doesn’t go past 24 hours.

    In nyc jails the majority of prison guards are barely literate NAMs who don’t exactly approach the job with panache and dignity. This is an ongoing problem at rikers- the guards and the prisoners often grew up together in the hood. Anyway my point is the potential for lax judgement and ineptitude (as opposed to conspiracy) here is tremendous.

    toomanymice

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

    • The only people who would work in prisons are people who can’t get jobs doing anything better, and just about anything is better than working in a prison.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • Hate to contradict our host, but I believe being a prison guard is safer than a lot of public jobs, less stressful than many, theres’s alway’s tons of overtime for senior guards, and employment standards are less rigorous than cops.

        There are few jobs out there where an moderate IQ prole can make air traffic controller/government lawyer money without taking an overly competitive test.

        Curle

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • >>The only people who would work in prisons are people who can’t get jobs doing anything better, and just about anything is better than working in a prison.

        Wrong. Lots of competent and intelligent proles take prison jobs. They pay is good and the benefits are excellent. If you live upstate, in an otherwise beautiful old rural town/city – you grew up there, married a local gal from there – a prison guard job is an attractive option to the dismal opportunities available in the post industrial service economy. NY State prison system is an economic lifeblood for much or rural New York. This is why the jail guards union is always advocating for politicians who are “tough on crime”. It’s good for business.

        Daniel H

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I don’t know how well the counties and state pay their guards where you are. They pay really well in my state compared to a lot of alternative semi skilled jobs. In spite of having to deal with society’s $hit, they don’t have to deal with a hardened professional criminal class like thay do in NY. Full pension after 20 years. Big city problems cost a lot and they have a lot of problems. Guards here don’t have to deal with that.

        Drop that meme

        August 12, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I would agree. Most likely, it was an incompetent NAM schlub who was overseeing Epstein, and missed the fact that he was trying to off himself when he wasn’t looking. Epstein who had an higher IQ knows he would eventually off himself with ease, when these schmucks were on their smartphones perusing tinder, porno or texting.

      Did you follow the recent news of the two FDNY ambulances that collided and those on board were seriously hurt? It involves a few EMS workers and drivers who are NAMs. These guys should not be EMS workers coming from a low empathy and highly impulsive profile. The wonders of an open society that believes all men are created equal.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • But how did he off himself? Unless you bash yourself against the wall. Otherwise, there is nothing to hang from. The prison uniform and the bed-sheets are too thin to hold any weight.

        map

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Normal bedsheets are more than strong enough to choke a person.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I don’t know for sure, but I strongly suspect that guards aren’t permitted to have their personal phones on them when in the cellblocks.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • No bedsheets when on suicide watch.

        Lion, you are being more than usually silly here, and that’s saying a lot.

        They didn’t take him off SW to save money. They took him off SW because they knew he was suicidal.

        Apparently Barr actually visited the center some time ago. Not usual.

        This stinks to high heaven.

        gothamette

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

      • “No bedsheets when on suicide watch.”

        Epstein was taken off suicide watch, so whether or not Epstein could kill himself with suicide-watch bedding is a moot issue.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

  14. I’m beginning to doubt the suicide.

    gothamette

    August 11, 2019 at EDT am

    • Epstein was taken off suicide watch. So whether or not it’s possible to commit suicide while on watch, it’s a moot point.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • Why was he taken off suicide watch? Lion, you are not merely beclowning yourself here, you are besodomizing yourself.

        gothamette

        August 11, 2019 at EDT am

      • Lion, tell us how many other suicides happened in that facility?

        gothamette

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • https://newrepublic.com/article/154729/completely-predictable-death-jeffrey-epstein

        “… inmate suicides are such a regular part of life in American prisons and jails that none of us should be surprised whenever they occur. They are the leading cause of death behind bars, and have been for many years, and the problem seems to be getting worse. The latest statistics, from 2014, tell us the rate of suicides in jails was the highest it’s been since at least 2000.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • If it was so predictable why did they take him off suicide watch?

        Gotcha!!

        gothamette

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I asked, “happened in that facility?”.

        ??

        IN THAT FACILITY.

        gothamette

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • That quote from Huffpost is laughable.

        Huffpost does its own count (reliable?) count and determines there were 256 suicides in American jails and prisons last year and calls it an ‘epidemic’ and the single leading cause of death in prisons/jails. Yet, the same article claims there were are 1000 jail and prison deaths per year without specifying the cause of death for the other 750 approx. deaths.

        There are up to 2.3 million prisoners at any one time in America’s prisons/jails. Certainly more if spread out over the same year that is the basis for the suicide #. In other words, suicide occurs at a rate of less than 0.00011%.

        Wow! Some epidemic.

        Curle

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • The other deaths are categorizes so no category exceeds 256.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Epstein died of asphyxiation by hanging himself, presumably with a strip of material wrapped around his neck.

        Did he wear prison pajamas without pockets? Most probably they would have patted him if he had weapons, poison pills and other objects before entering his cell.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “The other deaths are categorizes so no category exceeds 256.”

        Sure, but are the other categories things like ‘death by knife attack’, ‘death by strangulation’, ‘death by beating’, ‘cancer’, ‘heart attack’, etc.

        Without knowing the other categories one is simply asked to infer significance to a category whose single distinction is the unwillingness of record keepers to divide it down further.

        Curle

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

  15. Instead of quoting stupid articles without numbers you could do a simple search and learn that suicide in prison happens at the same rate as suicide in the US. Suicide watch is very simple task that can be / is outsourced to AI today.

    My 2c

    August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

  16. Some reports claim this was the first successful suicide in the history of the MCC. I suppose we’ll eventually find out if that’s true.

    curri

    August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Michael Tracey is a sane ant-Russiagate liberal:

      An inmate who had been incarcerated at both places once said that he found Guantanamo “more relaxed” than the Metropolitan Correctional Center, where Epstein was held. Former SDNY prosecutors say they can recall zero suicides there in recent history… 🤔 pic.twitter.com/wp70y1HsYJ— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) August 11, 2019

      https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

      curri

      August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Besides, Epstein, the Metropolitan Correctional Center has some real interesting crime fellas being held there.

        You have a few Al-Qaeda members, the notorious, El Chapo Guzman, a guido from the Bananas family, the Central Asian terrorist who mowed down a few SWPLs on their bikes around Tribeca in 2017, and the Bangladeshi pipe bomber who hurt himself by setting off the explosive in one of the subway stations in Midtown Manhattan.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

  17. Lion,

    “Furthermore, it’s kind of ironic that commenters who are adamantly opposed to government healthcare because they say government is too incompetent to run anything are the ones expressing disbelief that there could have been any incompetence at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. If you want to know more about the MCC.”

    This is specious reasoning. The government has a duty to provide collective goods, like law enforcement, national defense and border protection. Private entities cannot do this because they can’t isolate the benefits to paying customers only. Once provided, everyone free-rides from the good.

    Healthcare was never a collective good and healthcare was perfectly fine before the government got involved. Unnecessary “governmentization” is just as bad as unnecessary privatization.

    map

    August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

  18. I’m not surprised at all of the bullshit conspiracy theories. A third of suicides in prison are for inmates on suicide watch. People are taken off watch because it exacerbates suicide ideation. Epstein was also (probably) a narcissist and psychopath, so punching his own ticket allowed him a measure of autonomy.

    Of course, the president is happily promoting conspiracy theories. Again. Ted Cruz’s father may have been involved in the JFK assassination; Obama is a Kenyan-born, socialist-atheist-Muslim terror baby; Scalia was found with a pillow over his face.

    Vince

    August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Obama is definitely an atheist.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

      • But is the God Obama doesn’t believe in Christian or Muslim?

        Rosenmops

        August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

  19. I wonder how long before someone comes forward claiming to be Epstein’s offspring?

    Rosenmops

    August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I’ve wondered that myself.

      destructure

      August 12, 2019 at EDT am

      • I am SURE that Epstein’s will disinherits any of those people.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

      • I’m not sure it even matters what his will says. They could still sue the piss out of his estate.

        destructure

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

      • They WILL sue his estate. Lawyers are going to make a lot of money.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

      • And they’ll make even more when they get hold of Wexner’s ass.

        destructure

        August 12, 2019 at EDT pm

  20. O/t – Lion, you can use your legal training to analyze this document for its authencity:

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

    Complaint filed against Trump and Epstein for rape and child abuse with the Southern District of NY in 2016.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 11, 2019 at EDT pm

  21. This is actually the most fact-based article about the subject:

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/12/why-the-most-likely-explanation-for-epsteins-death-is-suicide-by-negligence/

    However, she’s basically excusing the most massive instance of negligence imaginable. But it’s plausible.

    gothamette

    August 12, 2019 at EDT am

    • “Let’s not forget who we’re talking about here: a man who convinced one of the richest men in the country to give him complete control over his vast fortune. (Google “Epstein and Lex Wexner” if you’re not sure to what I am referring.) Do I think Epstein could talk himself off suicide watch? Absolutely.”

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 12, 2019 at EDT am

      • I find it odd that Lex Wexner was the founder of Victoria’s Secret ladies wear that attracts more men than women.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 12, 2019 at EDT am

      • “Let’s not forget who we’re talking about here: a man who convinced one of the richest men in the country to give him complete control over his vast fortune. Do I think Epstein could talk himself off suicide watch? Absolutely.”

        It’s much more plausible, following the same line of reasoning, for Epstein to not kill himself because he would be confident in his ability to influence the outcome of his trial.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  22. Why would Epstein kill himselve while the trial was still going on? Surely he would hold out hope for reaching some sort of deal. Or at least getting into a less unpleasant prison.

    Rosenmops

    August 12, 2019 at EDT am

    • Not even that. Why would he killed himself now that his weird sex addiction is finally under control?

      My 2¢

      August 12, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Of course we know that he did not kill himself. Either he was killed or he is still alive. I did not see any solid proof of what actually happened.

        My 2¢

        August 12, 2019 at EDT pm


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