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Epstein speaks about having sex with teenage girls!

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According to James B Stewart, columnist for the NY Times and journalist at The New Yorker and author of nine books:

[Epstein] was more at ease discussing his interest in young women. He said that criminalizing sex with teenage girls was a cultural aberration and that at times in history it was perfectly acceptable. He pointed out that homosexuality had long been considered a crime and was still punishable by death in some parts of the world.

Most of the rest of the stuff that Epstein says (according to Stewart) sounds to me like a lot of bullshit. But I believe this:

He said people in Silicon Valley had a reputation for being geeky workaholics, but that was far from the truth: They were hedonistic and regular users of recreational drugs. He said he’d witnessed prominent tech figures taking drugs and arranging for sex (Mr. Epstein stressed that he never drank or used drugs of any kind).

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August 13, 2019 at EDT am

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  1. It one time it was culturally acceptable to have children working in mines . That doesn’t make it good.

    Rosenmops

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • Children are still working in slave-labor-like conditions in third-world countries.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • @Lion: Do you support that? Yes or no?

        @Rosenmops: Epstein is narrowly right, but he’s being a self-serving prick. This is not some lonely 45-year old bachelor who falls crazy in love w/an 18 year old. He’s a modern Bill Sykes and GM was his Fagin (his procurer).

        Also, it’s one thing for a 19 year old to have sex with a 15 year old, which is why there are “Romeo & Juliet” fail-safes. He’s just a creepy predator.

        WRT to the Silicon Valley thing, that’s been common knowledge for a while. The New York Times leads from the rear.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • Child slave labor is justifiable on utilitarian grounds if the economic benefits are great enough. It’s usually something you should feel good about if the slaves live in developing countries.

        Horace Pinker

        August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • The fall and trail of Epstein has some Jewish people worrying about their safety from anti-semiticos.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I doubt lion would be so gleeful if epstein’s taste had been for 13-16 year old boys. Imagine an island with adolescent boys running around in thongs for the sexual indulgence of a man 4x their age, with reports of forcible rape being rampant.

        Age differences in relationships can work, but the key word here is relationship. I once met a couple on the SI ferry that had at least a 20 year age difference (her younger). They had a bunch of cute kids together and were clearly deeply in love.

        toomanymice

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • That sounds like an Oscar-nominated movie.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Good comment, gothamette. Epstein was a creepy predator. I read somewhere that he wanted 3 fresh teenagers every day .

        Rosenmops

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Aren’t you from Vancouver, BC? Are you playing at outrage because you’re an older woman with issues around older men sleeping with younger women who would be your competitors?

      Are you somehow unaware that the age of consent in Canada was 14 until recently?

      If it’s not all not cultural why was there no outrage at the age of consent only 20-30 years ago? (Back when gay marriage would have been met with total disbelief and outrage…)

      If you know Vancouver well the upper middle class school Prince of Wales had a group of teachers arranging sex with the teenage female students all through the 1980s. They ran their group like a cult, making the girls feel special due to their supposed superior smartness. To this day none of the young women have come forward.

      You may also know of several cases in Lord Byng involving the teachers who had sex with teenage girls in the 1980s.

      In Vancouver in the 1990s teenage young women were selling themselves for ‘gifts’ of their own volition on the North Shore with a good base of customers among the professional class.

      What all these had in common was the teenage young women sought out or easily accepted the offers from the teachers and procurers, just as the teenage young women took offers from people like Epstein over others.

      In any high school there are lots of 14-16 year old “girls” looking and acting like women. There always was and presumably still are teenage girls who pride themselves on getting into nightclubs young, on having sex with older men, on having sex with no commitment, on getting prizes for sex.

      What is modern is the blaming of the men only. In the past the young women would be blamed for luring the men and asked what they did to incite their lust.

      True Canadian Teenage Girls

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Ah yes, the nubile competition for those old dudes we’re so desperate to bed.

        Just because 14 year old girls might want to sell themselves doesn’t mean it should be legal. There are age limits on certain activities for a reason- kids are stupid. And vulnerable.

        If a teenage girl has her heart set on being a porn star or a sugar baby, it won’t kill her to wait until her 18th birthday.

        toomanymice

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • edit, meant to include this. as if it couldn’t get any weirder!

        https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-review-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post

        The strangest part for me is an fdny dude would even knew what 4chan is.

        toomanymice

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • You lack understanding of neurological development. Neurological development trails physical development by some years in humans.

        The median 16 year old girl *looks* like a woman, but does not act like one.

        If an older adult is into 16 year old girls or 18 year old guys, they are not physical pedophiles, but mental pedophiles. Society reacts in horror when people who are 30+ prey on mentally immature girls and guys. They’re not necessarily pedos, but they are ruining the lives of mentally vulnerable young people.

        SC

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • And the median 16-year-old boy certainly doesn’t act like an adult!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I am not playing at anything. I am a happily married older woman. I have grandchildren and I worry about them. I think it is disgusting that old men want to have sex with teenagers. It it is revolting.

        I remember when the scandal broke about the teacher who was molesting students in the 80’s. As I recall it was only one teacher, Tom Ellison. He taught at a school that did a lot of outdoor activity and field trips. The program was called Quest. Lots of women came forward. I know one of the women that came forward. She is married to a United Church minister, and is the daughter in law of a man who taught religious studies at UBC (his PhD is from Columbia in New York, but he lives in my little town in BC. ). Ellison was convicted on 5 counts but did no jail time. I dont recall any other big scandals at Vancouver high schools.

        I don’t live in Vancouver now, though i was born there and grew up there.

        Rosenmops

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • True Canadian Teenage Girls “If it’s not all not cultural why was there no outrage at the age of consent only 20-30 years ago?”

        Yes, there’s been a big cultural shift. It was called the “sexual revolution”. Prior to the “sexual revolution”, most people weren’t messing around unless they were in a serious relationship and planning to marry. There’s a big difference between teens in a culture where most people drop out of high school to work and get married versus a culture where most people don’t get married until their late 20s.

        But you’re implying that it would have been culturally acceptable for old men to prey on 14 year olds before the law was changed. It most definitely would not. If Epstein had pulled that crap 100 years ago, he wouldn’t have had the chance to hang himself because a mob would have done it for him.

        destructure

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • When I was in High School it was quite the thing for girls to let it be known they wouldn’t consider dating a high school boy. That they only dated ‘men’ which I took to mean college or older.

        When I was a junior or senior in college it was easier to date the pretty freshman girls than it had been when I was their age.

        My sister didn’t date in HS but when she did start dating it was always with guys at least two years or more older than her.

        Curle

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  2. The information of the article is
    1) he had sex with teens
    2) he knew lots of important people who had it too

    The 3 questions of the journalist are what power did 1&2 brought to him and what did he do with it, and for and/or with whom ….

    It’s a bit like in the Sin City I movie.

    Bruno

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • Props on the Sin City reference. Good analogy.

      destructure

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  3. But one possibility wich can’t be ruled out is that this practice didn’t give him any more (nor less) power than being gay or being a swinger couple …

    The problem with this is that those former activities aren’t criminalized. So the practice creates an all particular world.

    Bruno

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • Gays and swingers aren’t criminalized if only consenting adults are involved.

      Epstein was having sex with girls young enough to be his granddaughters. He was a creepy old man.

      Rosenmops

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. “Mr. Epstein stressed that he never drank or used drugs of any kind“

    Too bad. It might have redirected his more problematic habits.

    Curle

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • Exactly, Curle.

      Rosenmops

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  5. I read this article this morning and it is amusing how terrible a journalist James B. Stewart is.

    First off his breaking confidentiality “(I consider that condition to have lapsed with his death)”- too bad the failing NY Times got fired their Ombudsman for breaking up too many orgies because I would like a journalistic review of this! The topic was the Saudis bailing out Elon Musk and Tesla- and they entities are very much still around, so this isnt moot at all.

    Then for a supposed journalist he really goes out of his way to avoid stories. Epstein invited you to a private dinner with Woody Allen and you dont think anything newsworthy might come up there!? This was back when Satchel was on the war path and getting quoted every other day in your newspaper.

    Frankly, I doubt Stewards story all around- there is too much protesting of innocence. I think the authorities ought to draw up a warrant to start searching Stewards papers because a non guilt person doesnt spend so much time denying innocent things.

    “He insisted that I meet him at his house”- really? “Insisted”? Is the normal option for billionaires to come to your office so that they can help you with a story that has no benefit to them?

    Lion of the Turambar

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • Agree. It’s a pathetic attempt to salvage his reputation, not journalism.

      gothamette

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. Ordering sex like takeaway food is a beta activity. You’d think CEOs of tech companies are alphas and could boink their pretty female assistants with ease. High status tech men of the SF Bay Area have a significant lower SMV than the value transference frat boys of the East, and there is also paucity of attractive women in the region, because techies are not sexy to women. This is in due partly from cultural brainwashing and the non-white demographics that are entrenched in the industry.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • For the last time:

      You don’t pay hookers for sex.

      You pay them to go away after the sex.

      Is that clear?

      njguy73

      August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • Not really, again, ordering sex is what keeps beta men from raging, because of a dry spell, and beta men who are afraid of ramifications of sleeping with a random woman.

        There’s no such thing as a no strings attached arrangement with anyone. You sleep with a random girl for a one night stand, and she could file rape charges, because the sex was no good.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Yes. You’re right.

        Alphas are choosers.
        Betas are beggars.
        The rest are incels.

        njguy73

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “You’d think CEOs of tech companies are alphas and could boink their pretty female assistants with ease.”

      I’m sure they can, the problem comes after the boinking when the pretty female assistants expect a ring on their finger or a giant pile of money in their arms.

      Tanturn

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The share holders expect not to have the company lose millions of dollars due to lawsuits and bad press. Remember Dov Charney?

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I wonder if the true alphas are the not the value transference frat boys or any other man who works for a living. The true alphas are the men who convince a woman to support them, and who keep their women from giving them shit tests by keeping her so satisfied in bed that she wouldn’t think of giving him a shit test.

      njguy73

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • That would be a quintessential alpha guy who lives the life a true parasite. Not very achievable, but not impossible either. It would be more of a spectacular feat, if a young attractive woman bankrolls an older man, because she is infatuated with him.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I just saw an interview with “Slash.” Apparently, before they made it big, the band Gun’s n Roses lived by sponging off various groupies.

        verylongaccountname

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • And then they had to go an make mega-bucks and end up paying alimony to the likes of Erin Everly. Schmucks.

        njguy73

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It’s not uncommon for ultra orthodox women to bankroll the family so her husband can study talmud. In fact pretty sure in some areas ultra orthodox women have a higher employment rate than secular women.

        I guess the grandmothers are raising the kids? Or daycares?

        toomanymice

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Man, I was so raised in the wrong denomination. I would have been a kick-ass Talmudic scholar.

        njguy73

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. In Islam it is culturally acceptable to have sex with teenage girls whom you have previously married (the age at which girls can get married is 9 years). Therefore, you can’t truly have a tolerant, multicultural society if sex with teenage girls is banned.

    PrinzEugen

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • Muslims who had interactions with the Christians in Spain during the Middle Ages, criticized the hypocrisy and self destructiveness of Christianity that priests are to be celibate.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • Muslims have a mechanism simpler than the priesthood for controlling their gay population. They throw them off roofs. Making them priests seems a preferable option.

        Curle

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • To prince eugene ,

      Islam is fundamentally inconsistant with Western values. Muslims should live in Muslim countries unless they want to adapt to Western values.

      Rosenmops

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  8. What was perfectly acceptable in the past was marrying teenage girls, not pumping and dumping them and leaving them ruined as wives for normal men.

    Of course, our contemporary gynocentric feminist society thinks marrying teenage girls is evil too, perhaps even more evil than pumping and dumping them because marriage at least officially limits their choices by forcing them into a commitment, but that’s a separate argument.

    Hermes

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • “What was perfectly acceptable in the past was marrying teenage girls, not pumping and dumping them and leaving them ruined as wives for normal men.”

      Non-marital sex was not acceptable, period. But today, people who don’t have non-marital sex are considered LOSERS. So it’s a big difference.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • Good points. Removing some social protections means that following the remaining ones isn’t good enough, so people erect new social protections. Examples abound.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • So what? Do you think Epstein’s reason for doing what he did was to avoid being considered a loser for not having non-marital sex? Do you think it’s a A-OK for a 60 year old man to have his own private island where he lures 15 year old girls to keep them in a harem and act as his sexual servants, because hey, at least he’s not a loser for failing to have non-marital sex? It’s not like this is a man who at age 25 married a 17 year old girl and the two of them lived the rest of their lives together in a traditional marriage. It’s never been considered acceptable to do what Epstein did.

        Hermes

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Do you think Epstein’s reason for doing what he did was to avoid being considered a loser for not having non-marital sex?”

        No, I think he liked what he liked, and didn’t care about society’s rules.

        But in a time when sexual chastity was more highly valued, he would have had less success in getting what he liked.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Non-marital sex has always been ubiquitous, especially for unmarried men. Virginia City at its peak reportedly had one hooker for every fifteen men.

        Curle

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • This guy married a teenage girl and became president. Some of us may have voted for him.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush#Marriage_and_college_years

      njguy73

      August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • ” he married Barbara Pierce (1925–2018) in Rye, New York, on January 6, 1945.”

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Yes, five months before the bride turned 20.

        QED.

        njguy73

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Bush was 1 year older than his wife. A 20/21 year old marrying a 19 year-old is not creepy.

        Half Canadian

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • He was 20, she was 19. Hardly the same thing.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Also, a lot has changed since 1992. People didn’t commonly get married at 20 and 19 respectively by then, but they also accepted that people did in 1945. This idea that it’s shocking for a woman not to spend her twenties traveling the world and riding the carousel and not even start thinking about finding a husband until 30 is a 21st century development.

        Hermes

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I can’t speak for feminists, but most “normie centrists” think that both are bad.

      Obviously “pump and dump” is bad, but marriage to teen girls is bad too. Census data suggests a high divorce rate for couples where the man is more than 10 years older than the woman. Census data also suggests a high divorce rate for people who married before age 25.

      I don’t care if you’re a man or a woman. Don’t get married before age 25, and women should not marry a man who is more than 10 years older.

      People who call themselves “alt-right” or “white nationalist” are quick to cite facts and statistics when it comes to black and hispanic people’s behavior. But when it comes to marriage statistics, you guys are just as anti-truth and anti-fact as the liberals.

      “Alt-right red-pill” fools think that 40 yea old men who marry 15 year old high school dropouts will have a successful marriage. If you believe this you are no better than a liberal who refuses to see facts and statistics about blacks and hispanics.

      SC

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Excellent post. Agree with all of the above. I’ll go even further to suggest getting married after 30.

        Mpt

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Census data also suggests a high divorce rate for people who married before age 25.”

        I guess you’ve never heard of self-selection bias. Yes, couples who marry before 25 have a higher divorce rate. But it has less to do with getting married before 25 and more to do with the kind of people who are most likely to get married before 25. Back when it was common to marry young, the divorce rate was much lower than today.

        Whether YOU get married at 20 or 30, YOU’RE risk of divorce will be about the same.

        destructure

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Liberals actually do like certain facts, for instance, if kids in the ghetto get low test scores, then the “statistics” say living in the ghetto is causing the low test scores. You, like them, are just assuming causation.

        ““Alt-right red-pill” fools think that 40 yea old men who marry 15 year old high school dropouts will have a successful marriage.”

        This represents a strawman view of what the red pill people believe.(And it does promote some bulls***, I’ll give you that.) If you have a special magical bar that everyone is told they need to jump over, what will happen is that only physical weaklings and antisocial people won’t be able to jump over it. The statistics will say that jumping over it is associated with vastly better life outcomes. But that doesn’t prove the bar is magical. Likewise, being a high school dropout is associated in our society with either extreme stupidity or antisocial behavior. If you randomly selected a high school dropout, they will be likely to fail at everything they do including marriage. That doesn’t prove that high school gives you any super special skills to avoid divorce. ‘Cause I don’t remember learning any.

        Tanturn

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • “Census data suggests a high divorce rate for couples where the man is more than 10 years older than the woman. Census data also suggests a high divorce rate for people who married before age 25.”

        Go back and look at census numbers before no fault divorce. No fault divorce is the operative culprit. That and the mouthy ‘you go girl’ culture where family problems are aired among drama enhancing friends rather than hidden.

        Curle

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Most HBD / red-pill people would agree that it’s better for women to marry earlier and to men who are in their age cohort. This is common sense, but it’s not practical because so much cultural conditioning primes women to pursue schooling and jobs and casual sex when they should be looking to get married.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • @Panther

        Obviously one night stands are bad and nobody should pursue them. But school and jobs are a way for a young girl or woman to find a good husband. And vice versa.

        If you can find your future husband or wife in highschool, great. If not, go to university and find somebody there. If that doesn’t pan out, go to grad school.

        The great thing about education is that it selects for higher IQ, more conscientious people from good families. If you graduated from high school chances are you are not part of the underclass and your IQ is at least 80. If you graduated from university, you’re probably MMC or higher and your IQ is at least 106-108. If you graduated from grad school, you’re almost definitely UMC or higher and your IQ is probably 115+.

        If everybody were to forego higher education, there would be a lot less assortative marriage and a lot more divorce amongst the high IQ and the middle to high social class types.

        SC

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • Holy crap, finally a sensible poast from you

        driveallnight

        August 15, 2019 at EDT pm

  9. Yes Jeffy, it is ok for teen girls to have sex. That doesn’t mean they should ALL have sex with you and your rich buddies!

    Seriously, it’s a happier and healthier country if teen girls are MARRIED off to guys in their 20s or 30s.

    fakeemail

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • …All available statistics show a higher divorce rate for girls and women married to men who are over 10 years older than they.

      Also, both genders experience high divorce rates if they marry before 25.

      If you don’t like these facts, but are happy to sprout off every empirical study on black and hispanic crime, education, employment, and other factors, you are a hypocrite and no better than the average race-denying liberal.

      SC

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • We need to compare apples to apples. First marriages to first marriages, middle-class to middle-class. The type of people who get into weird marriage situations are different types of people than those who marry conventionally.

        In any event, if we had a society where people didn’t get divorced or commit adultery, and people didn’t have sex before marriage, then May-December marriages would actually be very rare. The numbers would support women marrying a man one year older than them. Young women with old men happens because of a licentious society where women are encouraged to engage in hypergamy with multiple partners.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • This kind of argument by SC reminds me of how Lawrence Auster took people to task when they would criticize him for advocating some traditionalist position, saying it would never work because of liberal principle X, Y, or Z. “Of course I’m not advocating this one narrow traditionalist position in the context of the entire rest of liberal society renaming the same,” he’d say. “I’m advocating that we have a whole society that believes in and supports traditional values, and saying that this position would be a part of it.”

        Of course people who marry young have a higher risk of divorce in an anything-goes, if-it-feels-good-do-it culture in which the dominant view is that you should spend your twenties partying it up and having adventures and exciting experiences. I don’t advocate that people marry young in vacuum. I advocate that we have a society in which the norm is to marry young, and the dominant view of society as a whole conforms to traditional morality, so that divorce is unthinkable (and largely unavailable,) unwed motherhood or adultery completely ruin one’s life, and the opportunity to live the “Sex and the City” lifestyle flat out doesn’t exist.

        Hermes

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  10. Does anyone want to hear my review of ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD?

    gothamette

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • From one Tarantino fan to another, yes. I saw it on its second day. What did you think?

      njguy73

      August 13, 2019 at EDT am

      • I’m not a Tarantino fan but I really wanted to like this movie.

        I have a negative review and a spoiler so if that bothers you, stop reading.

        *******

        As I said I wanted to like this movie. Wanted. So. Bad. To. Like. This. Movie. I have no problems with “slow burn” movies, so I didn’t mind that.

        I mean – Pitt and Leo, interesting subject matter… and most of all, as Sailer accurately said, it was about punching the damn dirty hippies, so what was not to like?

        The movie. Full of irrelevant, self-indulgent digressions. About fifteen extra minutes (that’s a lot of film time) wasted on this stupid movie in a movie.

        Other irrelevancies (the scene with Bruce Lee, funny, but didn’t advance the plot). The scene with Lee also had a horribly acted insert where very good actors actually broke character… bad!

        There was a core of great movie-making in the scenes at the Spahn ranch. The stuff that was actually about the Manson cult was excellent.

        Margaret Qualley was terrific. Margot Robbie was hypnotic. Tarantino gets rapped for not writing good parts for women – I thought the women were more memorable than the guys. But that’s a minor issue…

        If someone had actually disciplined Tarantino, this would have been a good movie.

        The ending was a huge let down. The Manson killers mistake Leo’s home for Tate’s, and of course, the heroes fight off the damn dirty hippies. The scene was more like a zombie movie than anything realistic.

        A horrible cop out. I had thought that brave gallant Brad would defend Sharon from the hippies, but it was all a big mistake.

        A swing for the fences that fell short. And that is being generous.

        I will say this: most movies are so inconsequential nowadays I forget about them as soon as I leave the theater. Not this – some of the scenes are indelibly etched in my mind.

        JMO.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • OK, I don’t know what you saw, but I didn’t see killers mistake Leo’s home for Tate’s. This is what I saw:

        Manson gang heads for home of record producer that Manson has beef with. Polanski and Tate are renting it. Leo comes out on street, yells at hippies to get the hell away. Then hippies have epiphany:

        “Hey, that was Rick Dalton! He was on that show!”
        “I had a lunchbox with him on it!”
        “He’s the guy who taught our generation that violence solves problems!”
        “I say we show him how well we learned!”

        Mayhem ensues.

        Tarantino has been accused his whole career of glorifying violence. So how does he get back at those self-appointed moral guardians? He puts their words in the mouths of psychopathic murderers.

        Well played, Quentin.

        BTW, feel free to quote me in your book.

        njguy73

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Again, thanks for the correction, NJ guy.

        But this points out my major prob w/the movie: the two white heroes didn’t heroically defend the damsel in distress, they inadvertently avoided her demise by defending…. themselves.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • @njguy

        You’re right – I phrased it poorly. Typed on the fly.

        Still, disappointing ending, extremely poor dialogue – and untrue to the cult-like atmosphere of the Manson family. If Manson told them to kill the record producer, that’s what they would have done.

        The exchange, which you rendered pretty accurately, implies that they realize violence is wrong. The Manson killers didn’t. Another fail.

        “”Manson gang heads for home of record producer that Manson has beef with.”

        Was that actually in the movie? I can’t remember. I know that happened in real life but I don’t remember it being explicit in the movie.

        I do actually think that the killers went to kill Melcher and that the others were unfortunate accidental victims. If Manson had killed Melcher, he would be forgotten. Murdering the lovely Tate ensured his immortality.

        gothamette

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I don’t think Melcher was named in the movie, but check out Melcher 2004 obituary:

        Through Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys, Melcher was introduced in 1968 to the cult leader Charles Manson, who wanted a recording contract. After attempting to record some of Manson’s half-formed songs, Melcher said no. They also discussed making a documentary highlighting Manson’s music. Melcher abandoned the project after witnessing his subject becoming embroiled in a terrifying fight with a drunken stuntman at the ranch to which Manson and his “Family” had repaired after being turfed out of Wilson’s house.

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1477227/Terry-Melcher.html

        njguy73

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • I’ve been reading up about Manson and a lot of stuff is coming out about how he was much closer to Melcher and the Beach Boys’s Dennis Wilson than we’ve been led to believe.

        Led to believe, as Lion is teaching us!

        For example, the Beach Boys actually recorded a song Manson wrote, but they ripped off credit. Not to defend anything Manson did, but that is truly low & enraging.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • @njguy73: The whole Manson case is VERY strange.

        Why wasn’t he wasn’t arrested almost immediately? The law had their eye on the Spahn ranch, he was a parolee, and it took nearly four months (maybe three, not sure exactly) for them to be arrested, and then only because they were stupid enough to commit auto theft.

        (If there’s anything Americans take seriously, it’s auto theft!)

        Then, Susan Atkins blabbed her dumb mouth off to a cellmate and THAT’S when they got arrested for the murders.

        WTF?

        gothamette

        August 15, 2019 at EDT am

      • The police back then weren’t able to conceive of serial killers. When the LoBiancas were murdered and PIG was written in blood in their walls, it was considered a copycat of the Tate crime, even though the Tate murders happened only 24 hours earlier and no details were released.

        njguy73

        August 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It’s amazing to think how primitive things were in 1969. I just read that after the gang committed the murders at the taped residence, Manson actually went back there because he thought they hadn’t created the proper scene. He must have left his DNA all over the place. Well, they all did, but the point about Manson leaving his DNA is that the prosecutor had to prove conspiracy and that’s made up the whole Helter skelter business. With his DNA he would not have had to have made up the whole helter-skelter thing.

        gothamette

        August 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • If you’re into true-crime stories, check out “Popular Crime” by Bill James (yes, the baseball stat guy.) He has some interesting takes, you may disagree with them, but it’s worth a read.

        njguy73

        August 15, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I’ll check it out because it seems interesting but I’m not really interested in true-crime. I was never interested in the TL (Tate-LaBianaca) murders a bit. Quite the contrary. But OUATIH got me hooked.

        Think of it: in the space of one month, men walked on the moon, Manson, and Woodstock happened.

        Think of it: Neil Armstrong and Charles Manson were born in Ohio during the silent generation….

        What a country!

        gothamette

        August 16, 2019 at EDT am

      • I don’t exactly know why – it’s all probably timed to take advantage of the 50th anniversary – but a slew of stuff has come out about Manson and the TL murders, and all of them cast doubt on the Helter Skelter/Bugliosi theory.

        I personally think he thought Melcher was at Cielo Drive or at the very least, chose it to scare Melcher.

        gothamette

        August 16, 2019 at EDT am

      • Gothamette – you’re right. Sharon Tate was the MacGuffin. Or the Red Herring. The real star of the movie was “Old Hollywood.” It was Tarantino’s tribute to all his favorite childhood pop-culture memories.

        njguy73

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I’ve not seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood but based on previous Tarantino movies, I can wait till it shows up on cable. He’s an extremely overrated director in my opinion. Of his films, I’ve only really liked two, Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. I did like the first twenty minutes of Inglourious Basterds but that has more to do with Christoph Waltz than Tarantino.

        That said, if he does do a version of Star Trek, I’ll be at the theater on opening day.

        Mike Street Station

        August 17, 2019 at EDT am

      • Regarding true crime, make a point of watching the The Bundy Tapes on Netflix. There are about 4 episodes and the Bundy story plus the story of the times is fascinating. A more interesting story, IMHO, than the Manson story. Bundy’s psychology is impenetrable.

        Curle

        August 17, 2019 at EDT pm

    • ….. no, not really…

      cliff arroyo

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Of course!

      Gozo

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Maybe. Is it relevant to Epstein and sex with teenage girls?

      clay

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I do,since I’m considering going to see it. There’s hardly anyone else whose opinion I’d value more.

      maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • So sorry – but I spoiled it for you with a massive spoiler!!

        Anyway I’m interested to hear YOUR opinion, maryk.

        gothamette

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Gilbert Gottfried?

        Curle

        August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. Cultural and legal standards change over time. As recently as 20 to 2t years ago ethnic humor was acceptable, today it is not. You may not agree with these changes but that’s the way it is. Jeff could not or would not grasp that nailing teen girls was no longer allowed. And look where it got him.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    August 13, 2019 at EDT am

    • A misfire from Mr. Big Gun. The LE response to the allegations about Epstein would have been exactly the same in 1985 – there”s no heightened standard at work here. Actually, he probably would have been shut down sooner, as authorities then were more sensitive to the concerns of regular people (e.g. parents), and politicians weren’t considered celebrities. That year, I was negotiating with a hooker in my car off Van Nuys Boulevard when a LAPD cruiser stopped to question us. I told the guy we were in the same graduating class and were just catching up, and he said to me, “you should have a SAG card.”

      You know me

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • It’s still legal to make jokes about black people.

      Nobody owes you friendship based on your personal beliefs. It’s ok for you to make jokes about blacks and it’s equally ok for others to deny you friendship based on the type of jokes you prefer.

      SC

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  12. “Epstein speaks about having sex with teenage girls!”

    This headline is about as close to seeing Lion’s erect penis as I ever want to get.

    prolier than thou

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I know what you mean. It comes across as “Wow, now we get to hear some really exciting stuff”

      maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      August 14, 2019 at EDT pm

  13. It’s normal for men to want to have sex with sexually developed women even if they are under the age of 18. I mean they can have babies and if the sex happene, well babies propogate the species.. It’s also common for teenage women to want to have sex with older men – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11794721/Teen-girls-sexually-crave-older-partners-an-uncomfortable-truth.html

    Of course its also normal to feel urges to murder your enemies.

    But my point is the taboos about sex and age, along with murder, are all culturally constructed.

    Alex

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The movie you cited is *not* reflective of the average girl’s experience.

      The average high school girl fantasizes about guys who are 19-27, not 37 or 47.

      SC

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I don’t really know what the average high school girl fantasizes about, but I’ve heard enough of them fantasizing about the likes of Robert Downey Jr. or Tom Hardy to know that desire exists. I’m sure the average older guy with a belly, balding, etc is disgusting to them.

        I don’t think older guys shouldn’t expect younger women to like them since most probably don’t, but if they do it bothers me that society condemns a consenual attaction so harshly.

        Alex

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

  14. O/T but Chateau Heartiste is blogging again under a .org address. If wordpress comes for you, Lion, take note!

    prolier than thou

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I think that I’m too small for anyone to notice.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • If Epstain taught you anything, Lion, it is that nobody is ever to small to escape the attention of somebody for something.

        prolier than thou

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Does your blog condone violence, condone misogyny, condone racism, and condone anarchy? A few questions and a few variables that determine if they want to pull the plug on LoftB.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  15. The New York Post is reporting that the NYPD currently raiding Epstein’s island are part of the FBI New York Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force.

    Why are they involved? Don’t they know that all the girls wanted this and Epstein was just living the dream?

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/jeffrey-epsteins-computers-seized-during-fbi-raid-on-private-island/

    Andrew E.

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Because Epstein was public enemy #1, and now they have to find a public enemy #2 and prosecute her (or him) in order to placate the mob.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Ha! When it’s shown that Epstein was at the center of a global sex trafficking and child sacrifice network Lion will be the first cry ‘false flag!’ ‘evidence was planted!’.

        Andrew E.

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I really think Epstein fulfilled his dreams of being a sex maniac. He did self actualized and live the life to the fullest. He must be the envy of many old geezers who are married to one woman and never step away from their boundaries. At the age of 66, your days are numbered anyway, so death wasn’t an anomaly. And he has no young daughters who will suffer from karma.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Ok,what wrote:
        “At the age of 66, your days are numbered anyway, so death wasn’t an anomaly. ”

        If you make it to 65 you can, on average, expect to live another 19 or 20 years. And I think Jews tend to live longer than average.

        Rosenmops

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • “you can, on average, expect to live another 19 or 20 years”

        I wonder how many girls who marry geezers understand that.

        TWBC

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

  16. Women publically inciting male lust should properly be understood as an initiative act of aggression and/or non-verbal consent to direct come-ons from any man.

    Modesty, single sex schools, and early marriage solves all this mishigas and then some.

    Fakeemail

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • To Fake email:

      You want women to wear burkas? Not going to happen. Aren’t you mature enough to control your urges?

      Rosenmops

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • There’s quite a distance between burkas and yoga pants.

        Curle

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • I first address the initiator and inciter of aggression.

        fakeemail

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

  17. Interesting comments from Trump today at his helicopter press conference.

    Some dumb reporter asks: “And back on the tweet question: Do you really think the Clintons are involved in Jeffrey Epstein’s death?” [amazing how often reporter’s questions to Trump are veiled accusations]

    To which Trump responds:

    “I have no idea. I know he was on his plane 27 times and he said he was on the plane 4 times. But when they checked the plane logs, Bill Clinton — who was a very good friend of Epstein — he was on the plane about 27 or 28 times. So why did he say “four times”?

    And then the question you have to ask is: Did Bill Clinton go to the island? Because Epstein had an island that was not a good place, as I understand it. And I was never there. So you have to ask: Did Bill Clinton go to the island? That’s the question. If you find that out, you’re going to know a lot.”

    Veddy veddy interesting.

    peterike

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  18. “Mr. Epstein stressed that he never drank or used drugs of any kind”.

    I drink socially every few years or so but have never felt the need to drink. I have never taken drugs and looked down on addicts even if it’s now politically incorrect to do so. I used to think of myself as a higher quality person than alcoholics/drug addicts…I probably still do think this way to a degree but now I realize this was predetermined to a large extent.

    Last year I uploaded my 23andme raw DNA to a company that gives you a comprehensive genetic health report. It was quite amazing, it knew everything about me, even my peanut allergy. One thing that stood out is it is said I am genetically protected against alcoholism or drug addiction. Nothing is absolute…but I am genetically at the lowest risk possible for substance abuse. I would strongly guess that Epstein had this same genetic protection as it is common among Jews.

    Jay Fink

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Addiction is largely genetic . I did the 23andme thing too. It told me I am increased risk to get addicted . I stay away from drugs and rarely drink alcohol. Addiction is in my family. Ancestors are from northern Europe.

      Rosenmops

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  19. Alt-right red pill men: “Blacks and hispanics have documented lower IQs, educations, and higher criminality than whites! Only dumb liberals would ever believe otherwise! All of my opinions are supported by empirical facts and statistics!”

    Also alt-right red-pill men: “The most successful marriages are between 50 year old men and 15 year old girls! Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed! I don’t need to look at any census data or empirical studies on marriage and divorce rates!”

    SC

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • The media is reporting a disturbing rise of wealth work that caters to the rich, over other types of employment in our burgeoning liberal centers, where rural and many suburban areas are sucked dry of industries, and people are left in the dust with a lack of employment.

      Older wealthy geezers might find incentive to ensure something like UBI would never come to fruition in America, and thus young girls are forced to work among the wealthy, which could be seedy in nature, in the likes of Epstein and his hanky panky empire.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Haha.. so true.

      mpt

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • You have said this several times, and I still have no idea what point you are trying to make. Do you have an empirical evidence that these two views are correlated? How did you even come up with the idea that they might be correlated?

      muelleau

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

      • My main point is that everyone who says they are “alt-right”, “white nationalist”, or “red pill” is just as much of a liar and a dumbass as the average liberal.

        After studying the far right and the far left for years, I can only conclude that the members of the far right are just as prone to dishonesty, stupidity, bias, and wishful thinking as the far left.

        The alt-right only cites statistics when it favors them. This is why they accept every empirical study or statistic concerning blacks and hispanics, but not when it comes to women, jews, and asians. If they see empirical studies that prove that women who marry before age 25 are more likely to divorce, they’ll make up dozens of excuses for it or try to change the topic. Same goes if they see an empirical study that favors jewish/asian IQ, education, employment, monogamy, or low crime. They’ll either say “Da Joos/Asians cheated on the tests!” or go into whataboutism.

        Alt-right white nationalist red pill ideology is just as phony as leftism.

        SC

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

      • “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed!”

        Well, that is technically true.

        destructure

        August 14, 2019 at EDT am

    • Statistics show that the most successful marriages occur in religious communities where people marry young and there is social pressure not to divorce.

      Tanturn

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • “All of my opinions are supported by empirical facts and statistics!”

      Not just supported, but constitutes the only explanation that fits ALL of the evidence. This, is the critical point. Every other explanation is rendered hopeless by an plethora of confounding evidence.

      Curle

      August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Anyone who still uses the term, “Alt-Right” in 2019 probably doesn’t know as much about the right as she thinks. You post quite a lot about your extensive studies of the alt-right, then post that the “alt-right” thinks that “the most successful marriages are between 50 year old men and 15 year old girls!”

      Absurd.

      Mike Street Station

      August 17, 2019 at EDT am

  20. “I think it is disgusting that old men want to have sex with teenagers. It it is revolting.”

    Ok, then I’ll whine and say I think it’s disgusting that young women want to have sex with older men, rich men, assholes, posers, and loudmouths.

    Men want young, virginal, and fertile; women want older, experienced, and stronger. PERIOD.

    For crying out loud, why don’t we work WITH NATURE instead of fighting against it, decrying it, and denying it?

    fakeemail

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  21. The higher the difference in age between a men and a woman, the lower overall probability of divorce because overall probability of divorce is proportional to time spent together.

    My 2c

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

  22. O/t – A break from the Epstein fandango, Lion’s favorite Dem candidate just got himself into a guido dodo. Is Scarface now on Andrew Yang’s side?

    It appears some of his fans are abandoning ship. What a sh!tfest our politics have become!

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 13, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Andrew Yang is a lot taller than I expected. I figured he was about 5’9″ or 5’10”. But Mooch is documented to be 5’9″ which would make Yang at least 6’0″ or 6’1″

      SC

      August 14, 2019 at EDT am

  23. ‘He said that criminalizing sex with teenage girls was a cultural aberration and that at times in history it was perfectly acceptable.’

    But you had to marry them. And divorce was not permissible.

    chris

    August 15, 2019 at EDT am


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