Lion of the Blogosphere

Another example of “I told you so”

In 2010 I wrote:

To the extent that Democrats believe in value creation at all, they believe that value is created by evil deeds such as enslaving black Africans, stealing land from the American Indians, and desecrating the planet in order to extract resources.

And now, for those who think I was just making that crap up:

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 18, 2019 at 6:52 PM

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  1. ….and every paper in the country will run the series or come up with their “local angle” take.


    Mrs Stitch

    August 18, 2019 at 7:07 PM

    • Very hard to read from an iPad, Why don’t they just stick to a simple format?

      It may be a tactical mistake for NYT.

      I’m not an American but I believe that affirmative action has been around for decades. It’s the equivalent of reparations.

      But AA doesn’t seem popular with a large number of people. Are they going to like higher taxes now to pay for reparations?

      Frau Katze

      August 20, 2019 at 1:42 AM

  2. I fear this country has reached the tipping point of liberal lunacy. Today I was reading posts from a 60 year old woman, intelligent and articulate, who believes trump’s impeachment is imminent and the best solution to illegal immigration is to build enough new embassy suites to house them. It’s like a true life emperor’s new clothes, but the emperor is leftism.


    August 18, 2019 at 7:10 PM

    • “I fear this country has reached the tipping point of liberal lunacy”

      I fear that it hasn’t.

      prolier than thou

      August 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM

  3. According to Edmund Morgan’s book on slavery in America, the standard authoritative source, there wasn’t but a ‘smattering’ of black slaves in the British North American colonies during the 17th century. As late as around 1713 there were more Indians exported from the South Carolina colony to become slaves elsewhere than total slaves in the entirety of the colonies. Slavery really got off the ground in the 18th century and estimates place the slavery-indentured servant split of the agriculture workforce at about 60-40 for the century.

    And, of course, what we think of as slave areas, Mississippi, western GA, TN, Alabama, etc., were only starting to be cleared in the early years of the 19th century.

    This nonsense is the equivalent of Soviet history.


    August 18, 2019 at 7:22 PM

    • Partis sequitur ventrum didn’t become the law of the land until 1662.

      I’ll have to read that book, thanks for recommendation.


      August 19, 2019 at 2:09 PM

      • And if you’re interested in slavery from the Revolution to the Civil War, check out “The Peculiar Institution” by Kenneth Stampp. I read it in college. Somewhat liberal bent, but I learned a lot.


        August 19, 2019 at 9:54 PM

      • Thanks, that’s been on my b-list for a while…

        …I have to admit that slavery is a subject I’ve sort of avoided. In essence I agree w/Lion. “We” should never have had it. Both a crime and a blunder.

        ” “Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; 10,000 recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of one or the other race.”

        I didn’t make that up. Stole it from someone. Who?


        August 20, 2019 at 9:28 AM

      • njguy73

        August 20, 2019 at 5:24 PM

  4. Well the NYT knows it’s audience.

    Jokah Macpherson

    August 18, 2019 at 7:39 PM

  5. the leftists are in a complete echo chamber. Take the Lutheran church. (My church up till now). They used to be a sensible middle-of-the-road denomination who didn’t bother much w/ politics. How things change.

    Lutherans just voted to become the first denomination in the USA to be a “sanctuary denomination.” As far as I can tell, the clergy (who previously voted to perform LBGT marriages) are endlessly virtue-signalling to each other, and have forgotten their congregants.

    Right now, leftists (including the Lutheran clergy) are feeling triumphant and downright giddy. They don’t even know that people like me exist. They’ll find out. My local church will truly miss my donations. I expect to see the closing of many Lutheran churches over the next few years.

    Amused Observer

    August 18, 2019 at 8:37 PM

    • Sounds a lot like the United Church of Canada. Endlessly virtue signaling about gay marriage and refugees. It used to be my church but I quit. Very few young people attend. The congregations are dying off. Will probably get converted to mosques.


      August 18, 2019 at 11:14 PM

      • The U.S. UCC, distinct from but related to the Canadian UCC, is the most leftist denomination in our country (except maybe the UU, which isn’t really a church). They were pushing LGBT before it was cool. Interesting though that the UCC is the largest Protestant church in Canada, while the U.S. UCC is comparatively small, dwarfed by many other denominations.

        I don’t really know where conservative Christianity lives in Canada. The top two Protestant churches are thoroughly leftist, unlike the U.S. Maybe only in non-denoms?


        August 19, 2019 at 8:57 AM

      • My jesuit parish is headed the same way. The massive sting of the sex abuse scandals is the only thing holding them back from full lbgq insanity. Oh, and the Magisterium.

        Mrs Stitch

        August 19, 2019 at 10:21 AM

      • It used to be my church but I quit.

        I didn’t leave the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church left me.

        Smartest Woman on the Internet

        August 19, 2019 at 11:31 AM

      • Yes Wency,
        The conservative churches in Canada are mostly non denominational.

        The Anglicans have a few conservative congregations…notably a mostly Chinese congregation in Vancouver. There is a fight going on between them and the rest of the very liberal Anglicans. There are also conservative Anglicans in Africa. Maybe the Anglican church will split.


        August 19, 2019 at 12:42 PM

      • Wency, the Canadian UCC was formed in the 1920’s when the Presbyterians and Methodists merged. That is why we have almost no Methodists in Canada, and how they got so big.


        August 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM

      • @Smartest woman : UCC started fine and I attended in the 1980s. It went downhill and is now really, really bad. Alternatives: there’s the evangelicals, that tend to deny evolution. A friend of mine says one can go anyway but just ignore the parts you don’t agree with. The other congregants won’t be nasty virtue signallers.

        Also Eastern Orthodox, that don’t seem to have a policy on evolution. Darwin was just yesterday for this group. That’s where I am now, since 2005.

        Frau Katze

        August 20, 2019 at 12:48 AM

    • I’m agnostic now. But I stopped going to church in my late teens after a similar incident. No one goes to church to hear a bunch of leftwing garbage. Not even liberals which is why denominations collapse after they start pushing it. I think there’s a huge opportunity for a right-wing denomination to pick up “religious refugees” as long as they weren’t too extreme.


      August 19, 2019 at 5:26 AM

      • Yeah, Kemosabe!

        Really, when you look at the world as it was, slavery was the norm, and freeing them was a very unusual thing to do.

        Ethiopia had slavery until 1942. Take that, Rastafarians.

        The entire Horn of Africa was made up of slave states until fairly recently. I’d love to know if Ilhan Omar’s family owned them. They would almost certainly have done so; her family is elite. She comes from the slave-owning class.

        Slavery in the Horn of Africa was entirely color-based.


        August 19, 2019 at 8:05 PM

      • When I said, “what you mean we, Kemosabe,” I meant “I, njguy73, didn’t make the mistake of slavery.”

        No one in my family owned slaves. Or set foot here until fifty years after Appomattox. While the Missouri Compromise was being hammered out, my ancestors were dealing with pogroms. They didn’t come here to live off slave labor. They came here to live in a country where an honest day’s work got you an honest day’s pay. And now I’m being asked to pay reparations? I’m being told that I’m living off slave labor too? Ex post facto much? Did I wake up one morning as say, “I’m going to live in a country that slaves built?”

        I didn’t land on Ellis Island. It landed on me.


        August 19, 2019 at 10:06 PM

      • njguy73 — You’ve owned just as many slaves as I have. Listen, no one cares whether your family was in America or owned slaves. You have a paycheck and they want it. That’s all that matters.


        August 20, 2019 at 6:54 AM

    • The Lutherans have a strong conservative denomination, the Missouri Synod. I don’t understand why a conservative Lutheran would belong to the leftist ELCA, which is the church you’re describing.

      Of course, the existence of a conservative alternative means that the ELCA is able to cuck harder and faster. Contrast with the United Methodists, who recently again rejected to formally approve of LGBT (even though some congregations revolt against the weak central authority). My town has two UMC churches, one as cucked as cucked can be, the other quite conservative.

      My sense however is that Lutheranism as a whole has no evangelical power, no pull for anyone who wasn’t born and raised Lutheran. It might be different in its midwestern heartland, but not in the South. There’s an old Lutheran church (Missouri Synod) in my current town — beautiful building, ideal location in the heart of our downtown, right next door to a popular Sunday brunch spot. The pews on Sunday are 20-30% filled at best for their one service per day, mostly by midwestern transplants 70+ years old. And the pastor isn’t bad, I give him a 7/10 for preaching ability, seems sincere and articulate.

      A pastor who had been engaged in missionary work overseas came to town and decided to start a new conservative evangelical non-denom, and the Lutherans (surely a bit cash-strapped) allowed him to rent their church for one service per week until he found permanent space. Well, starting from scratch, it took him about a year before he was able to pack that place full of people of all ages. So he went and leased his own building, which now has 2 packed services on Sunday.

      As the Lutherans in town try to keep their old church alive, watching this happen in front of them has to be pretty disheartening.

      Side note: the non-denom pastor has 8 kids (2 adopted), his associate pastor has 4 (none adopted) and likely isn’t finished, and lots of large families fill his place. Gives me hope. The Lutheran pastor of course stopped at 2 kids.


      August 19, 2019 at 8:27 AM

      • I heard about conservative Lutherans but the whole thing was confusing. You’d have to go around asking what branch any given Lutheran congregation adhered to.

        Frau Katze

        August 20, 2019 at 1:47 AM

      • Usually they’ll say on their website. It doesn’t take more than 30 seconds to figure out normally — it’s rare that a church hides its liberal tendencies once you learn their code words (the biggest: “inclusive”); the point of being liberal is to virtue signal. I’m sure this might be a bigger issue outside the South though; in my town, everyone knows the handful of liberal churches; in a place like NYC or the West Coast, a church that is not pro-gay marriage is probably a needle in a haystack.

        As for evangelicals and evolution, my experience is that pastors of non-denom evangelical churches seldom if ever discuss Genesis chapters 1-2, even in semi-rural towns in the South like mine. You’re much more likely to hear that sort of talk at a fire and brimstone country Baptist church with 20 members, all elderly.

        Now, if you corner an evangelical pastor, maybe he’d tell you Genesis 1-2 are literally true, word for word. Or maybe he’d equivocate. But I’m not especially interested in my pastor’s opinion on matters of biology or geology, any more than I’m interested in my plumber’s opinion on matters of tax strategy.


        August 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM

    • That’s the (very liberal) ELCA. For a different perspective, try the LCMS or WELS.

      Black Death

      August 19, 2019 at 10:38 AM

  6. No one at Jamestown asked for the original shipload of slaves. They were brought there by opportunistic pirates who had captured a slave ship and wanted to sell off the cargo to anyone they could convince to buy them. Blacks and slavery were the least of the Jamestown settlers’ concerns then. If only the Magic School Bus could have intervened as the purchase was made.

    Reading Is Fundamental

    August 18, 2019 at 9:00 PM

    • By 1619 there were approximately 25 settlements in Virginia. Of course, the Mayflower hadn’t set sail yet.


      August 19, 2019 at 6:00 AM

    • The 1619 boat was intercepted from a slave ship bound for Brazil.

      The Africans on board didn’t become slaves, they were indentured.

      Slavery wasn’t institutionalized until 1662.


      August 19, 2019 at 10:23 AM

      • It’s not helpful to nitpick when slavery started. Let’s admit that it was a big mistake and something we shouldn’t have done.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 19, 2019 at 11:13 AM

      • It’s not a nitpick. The evolution of slavery is important to understand.

        “We” didn’t do it. The British gave it to us, and it would have died out had the cotton gin not been invented.

        A case of automation CREATING jobs.


        August 19, 2019 at 2:04 PM

      • “We” shouldn’t have done it?

        What you mean “we,” Kemosabe?


        August 19, 2019 at 4:13 PM

      • I meant to respond to njguy but something messed up. Manson did it. I’m reading all about him.


        August 19, 2019 at 8:08 PM

    • A problem developed in the Americas that I hadn’t thought through until I wrote a long comment over at Steve Sailer’s.

      The Spanish would have use the natives as workers except they were sickly, dying in great numbers of things like smallpox.

      So Africans were brought over by the Spanish well before the 1600s. Unknown to them, two ghastly diseases came with them, yellow fever and falciparum malaria. They were spread by mosquitoes that liked warm areas.

      Europeans were just as susceptible as the natives. (Milder strains of malaria were found in Europe, but the falciparum strain was not).

      This meant that white indentured workers could not be used as the only workers for the Southern plantations. Plus there was another ghastly disease: an African hookworm.

      None of these three diseases existed outside the warm South. And we see from history that African slavery was used in the areas of these diseases.

      I’ve got references if you want them. I’m not excusing it but pointing out that slavery was not used where there was an alternative.

      Frau Katze

      August 20, 2019 at 1:10 AM

  7. There’s an out for us, though. “Nearly everything that has made America exceptional.” That means we’re not 100% evil! Yayyy!

    Ok, but what are those exceptional things that didn’t “grow out of slavery”? I mean, the other day I found an old stash of Penthouses from my teenage years I had forgotten about. I got excited and started leafing through them, only to be shocked to my shoes by a 1986 Guccione editorial that said Penthouse would no longer be using paper milled by slaves at Bob’s summer plantation near Jacksonville. Instead, they would use “organically certified slaved” paper sourced from the Hefner plantation at Gordonsville.

    Shining City

    August 18, 2019 at 9:14 PM

    • Slavery in North America ‘grew out of’ indentured servitude. Both blacks and whites were indentured servants but the numbers of blacks was insignificant. Slavery really developed in North America as an institution in the 18th century and mostly because the white indentured servant workforce was dwindling.

      The old incentives for whites to accept transport to the colonies in exchange for a term of labor were offset by abuse of the system by the masters who had little incentive to maintain decent working or living conditions and would would regularly keep servants long past their contracts or ensnared them in debt schemes. Indentured servants were literally worked to death and there was an incredibly high mortality rate as a result, in excess of 30% on average would die within three years of arriving in North America. Additionally, as white settlements expanded it became easier for white indentured servants to escape and hide. Previously, fear of Indians kept the servants on the plantation, so to speak.

      The introduction of blacks as agricultural workers and as slaves was almost entirely an 18th century innovation and it was first adopted by the Aristocracy the yeoman farmers retaining the use of white indentured servants for most of the 18th century (a number approximating 40% of the total of the slave/indentured servant agricultural workforce). It was, in part, a reaction to accusations of cruelty regarding the white indentured servant workforce. Black slaves were fed, housed and treated better than indentured servants on the whole because they were an purchased asset and as a result there were disincentives to work them to death and lower the value of the asset.

      As I mentioned above, in the 18th century the indentured servant (almost entirely white) and the slave distribution in the agricultural workforce was approximately 40-60.

      On the whole, the entirety of the agricultural system in the American Colonies devoted to plantations was modest and centered on a few regions near rivers were water for very thirsty crops like tobacco was readily available. The following map, showing the 1790 concentration of slavery and the 1860 concentration of slavery makes WT Cash’s (Mind of the South) point about slavery, that the cotton south existed for an exceedingly short period of time. In 1790 Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Western GA, Western SC, Kentucky, etc. were still wilderness.


      August 19, 2019 at 6:48 AM

      • @Curle “It was, in part, a reaction to accusations of cruelty regarding the white indentured servant workforce. Black slaves were fed, housed and treated better than indentured servants on the whole because they were an purchased asset and as a result there were disincentives to work them to death and lower the value of the asset.”

        And there were three hideous diseases that killed or severely disabled Europeans but not Africans. The description of the white sufferers of hookworm in “The Germ of Laziness” gives you an idea what the European workers were up against. See my above comment.

        Frau Katze

        August 20, 2019 at 1:22 AM

  8. I’m wondering if the Democrats can win on a platform of fighting white supremacy and everything about America is because of slavery?

    Mike Street Station

    August 18, 2019 at 9:31 PM

  9. The fact of the matter is that pretty much all wealth generated in America after the XIX century has been the product of science and high tech research. Around 2005 (100th anniversary of the year Einstein published his 4 papers that transformed physics) it was estimated that >90% of the economic output could be traced to engineering applications of quantum mechanics and advanced mathematics.

    If anything we owe some ‘reparations’ to a bunch of physicists, chemists, mathematicians, and engineers. Most of them white Europeans, or of European descent. We “owe” money to Einstein, Schrodinger, Von Neumann, Oppenheimer, Turing, Shannon, and a bunch of white geeks in MIT, CMU, Stanford, etc.

    Veritas Liberabit

    August 18, 2019 at 9:41 PM

  10. Slavery didn’t begin in 1619. Anyway, we were a British colony then.


    August 18, 2019 at 9:43 PM

  11. Yeah, I saw this announcement and thought of posting about it because I’ve noticed this idea building for several months among some woke SJW Twitter accounts I occasionally check. It used to be that liberals would lament that this or that specific, individual thing, like the White House, was built with slave labor. But more recently, this has been morphing into this scapegoat view of America as one big Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas scenario, in which the very existence of a safe, prosperous, comfortable, first world society as a whole owes its entire existence to slavery.


    August 18, 2019 at 9:51 PM

    • Sounds a lot like the United Church of Canada. Endlessly virtue signaling about gay marriage and refugees. It used to be my church but I quit. Very few young people attend. The congregations are dying off. Will probably get converted to mosques.


      August 18, 2019 at 11:18 PM

    • It would be nice if they walked away from Omelas then. Expensive sentimentality beats cheap sentimentality.

      Monsieur le Baron

      August 19, 2019 at 11:58 AM

      • When Ursula K. LeGuin wrote that story, in 1973, merely walking away was seen as enough. Now, we are woke enough to know that you have to do more. You have to stay and fight. If you don’t, you’re as guilty as the oppressors.


        August 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM

  12. The NYT’s has a black editor now. So we can expect all black news all the time. I wonder how many NYT’s subscribers are black.

    Get woke, go broke.


    August 18, 2019 at 9:55 PM

  13. Democrats (especially coastal elite NYT writers) are so obsessed with zero-sum status games that they have forgotten that any other kind of game exists. So our prosperity must necessarily be coming at the cost of someone else. (Nominally, they say it’s the minorities/environment/whatever, but really it’s a lament that their status doesn’t give them as much power as it would have in a different kind of society.)


    August 18, 2019 at 10:36 PM

  14. What about Canada, Australia and New Zealand? They are almost as prosperous as America (on a smaller scale) but they had no slaves.


    August 18, 2019 at 11:20 PM

    • Weren’t they all wiped out at Dieppe and Gallipoli? All I know is from reading and watching books and movies about military history.

      Ask me about the Civil War too. I can tell you about what really happened at The Wilderness with Burnside and the 58th Ohio. It’s not what you think.

      Boomer Buff

      August 18, 2019 at 11:44 PM

    • They would probably say they raped and pillaged the resources of the natives.


      August 19, 2019 at 12:30 AM

      • Australia was full of criminals exiled from Britain.

        Mrs Stitch

        August 19, 2019 at 10:30 AM

      • “Australia was full of criminals exiled from Britain.”

        Rapists, murderers, etc weren’t sent to Australia because those were capital crimes. The courts just hanged them. They mostly sent people for petty theft like stealing a blanket or loaf of bread. In truth, it was really just a way to ease overcrowding and get rid of poor people. So they sent them to Australia to work as slave labor.

        Do you know when they started sending them to Australia? 1788. Notice that’s only 5 years after the American Revolution ended. They had to find a new place to dump their poor people. There’s a scene in Wolf Creek where Mick gives someone a “history lesson” about this.


        August 19, 2019 at 1:54 PM

    • In that case they would just say that the prosperity was created by whites stealing the magic dirt from the natives.


      August 19, 2019 at 12:35 AM

      • Yes. But it’s odd that the “magic dirt” stops at the Rio Grande isn’t it?


        August 20, 2019 at 2:24 AM

    • Uh, they benefited from American slavery? Trying to anticipate the talking points.

      Mike Street Station

      August 19, 2019 at 6:00 AM

    • If it’s not slavery then it’s land “theft” from “indigenous” people. Nevermind that 200 years with Whites raises the standard of living for all of these people more than another 2000 years left to their own devices.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      August 19, 2019 at 7:33 AM

      • All the talk about reparations ignores the fact that whites already paid reparations, in the very brief period starting in 1863 when colonization (sending freed blacks to Liberia or other places outside the US) was on the table. It wasn’t a crazy fringe movement. The president was considering it. For whatever reason, colonization was dropped. There’s your reparation, ingrates. It’s why you’re not dying at 45 from river blindness, AIDS, or something the tsetse fly gave you.

        Hayduke, or, Hey, Duke!

        August 19, 2019 at 11:38 AM

    • Lefuist white liberal scolds in Canada and the ANZAC nations can feel guilty from displacing the aboriginal peoples in their respective countries.

      Oswald Spengler

      August 19, 2019 at 2:17 PM

    • If England couldn’t handle you, they sent you to Australia.
      If Australia couldn’t handle you, they sent you to New Zealand.


      August 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM

    • See my comment above. The relevant diseases didn’t exist in Canada because it was too cold.

      The northern part of Australia might have been suitable for the mosquitoes in question but as long as they weren’t brought there, it was not a problem. Similar for New Zealand.

      Frau Katze

      August 20, 2019 at 1:29 AM

  15. I didn’t read the article. But I’m going to come at this issue from four different angles.

    First, the overwhelming majority of America’s wealth was not only created after slavery ended but after affirmative action was passed. In other words, blacks have actually received preferential treatment during the greatest wealth creation period in history. So if anyone deserves “reparations” it’s whites.

    Second, wealth isn’t nearly as heritable as many suppose. A 2018 study from Fidelity showed that 88% of millionaires are self-made. Other studies have shown that 70% of wealthy families lose their money by the 2nd generation and a shocking 90% by the 3rd generation. The old adage, “Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves in three generations” is true.

    Third, if the average person was given millions of dollars they’d probably end up worse off. Lottery winners are more likely to declare bankruptcy within three to five years than the average American. According to the National Endowment for Financial Education, about 70% of people who win a lottery or get a big windfall end up broke in about 5 years. This is similarly true of athletes with multi-million dollar contracts. According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 78% of NFL players are either bankrupt or under financial stress within two years of retirement and an estimated 60% of NBA players go bankrupt within five years after leaving their sport. Simply put, if you don’t have what it takes to make it then you don’t have what it takes to keep it.

    And, finally, most poor people did it to themselves with poor decisions. In fact, the biggest cause of poverty is illegitimacy. Census data shows that roughly 40% of single-mother-headed families are poor. And over 90% of the people on welfare are single mothers. That’s not to say one can’t be honestly poor. There are plenty of families that are poor because someone is seriously ill or the breadwinner died. One of the smartest (and richest) guys I know was raised by a single mother in a trailer park after his father died.


    August 19, 2019 at 4:27 AM

    • That’s fascinating data.


      August 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM

    • Not “other studies”. The Williams Group wealth survey, which everyone passes around like divine revelation. Being a survey, it is subject to a number of shortfalls, and it’s damned hard to determine what is really going on because they don’t seem to have published their questions or their methodology. As for the self-made millionaires stat, studies of millionaires and beyond generally find that people come from that class or one below already. The fortune is self-made in that it gets built before the inheritance comes in. I do note the use of the phrase “involuntary loss of assets”, which seems like a sort of technical weasel. Inheritance is often leaky – if I successfully inherit (and I hope my parents live forever), then this will be the first time in a century or more. Break out the champagne.

      Only one generation in that time *hasn’t* been millionaires.
      Gregory Clark did the big, long history probate study, but there are smaller ones. This one, by Jenny Wahl, studying estate tax returns in Wisconsin from 1916 to 1981, finds that if wealth continues to regress at the same rate, it will take 13 generations for wealthy families to regress to the mean. This was during the most punitive era of estate taxes in America.

      Focusing on money inheritance is a losing strategy. What people inherit is far more valuable than coin. Intelligence, cultural norms, and connections. You can get the best job because you’ve graduated with two years experience already. You can raise money for a company because you know the right people. You can succeed in life with your wits.

      One of Clark’s case studies is the inverse lottery. What happens to high status families who are expropriated?

      They bob right back up, like a cork in water. The American elite is full of exiles from the Old World. Funny how that works.

      Monsieur le Baron

      August 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM

      • “Only one generation in that time *hasn’t* been millionaires.”

        Which generation was that and why?


        August 19, 2019 at 2:49 PM

      • Cultural Revolution and expropriation.

        Monsieur le Baron

        August 19, 2019 at 7:14 PM

      • You probably touch yourself while thinking about “expropriation”. Because you’re not as successful as feel you’re entitled to be. And it makes you jealous and angry.


        August 20, 2019 at 4:03 AM

      • I’m in my early 20s and have hundreds of thousands of dollars. If I’m not a millionaire by 30, it’s because I fucked something up.

        Monsieur le Baron

        August 20, 2019 at 1:29 PM

      • Maybe. But you sound like Ross. So you’re saying you’re really Chinese? That’s odd. You don’t look Chinese.


        August 21, 2019 at 5:42 PM

      • Who the fuck is Ross?

        Monsieur le Baron

        August 23, 2019 at 5:55 PM

  16. “And now, for those who think I was just making that crap up:”

    um, who thought you were making any of that up? The idea that the United States was racist and genocidal was already quite old hat by 2010.


    August 19, 2019 at 7:48 AM

    • In 2010, libs were still hiding their true beliefs, but now they are out in the open.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 19, 2019 at 11:11 AM

      • Yeah but before that they weren’t. History comes and goes in cycles. People said even WORSE things in the 60s.

        “There were crazy discussions at Flint over whether killing white babies was inherently revolutionary, since all white people are the enemy.”


        August 19, 2019 at 2:05 PM

      • American Leftists have actually moved to the right over the past 50 years. At least on economics and foreign policy. In the 1970s Noam Chomsky was influential and America was considered an imperial power exploiting and destroying the third world. Intelligent people actually thought Communism could work. Of course in those days the USSR was funding American leftists rather than the alt-right.

        The collapse of the USSR and economic prosperity under Clinton undermined the economic rationale of the left but the pendulum has started to move back.

        The other difference is that the white population has dropped precipitously. Overheated black rhetoric that would have seemed fairly harmless in 1969 is a lot more threatening when blacks have the numbers behind them.

        Peter Akuleyev

        August 19, 2019 at 6:25 PM

      • Read about the “Red Army Faction” in Germany. They were plenty violent. I read a good book on them but I can’t find the title just now.

        Their excuse was the Nazis. Violent leftists always find a way.

        Frau Katze

        August 20, 2019 at 2:01 AM

  17. Muhummad Ali said, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!” after a reporter asked, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?”

    By every objective/”racist” standard, slavery (and it’s after effects) have severely hurt and retarded America. Conversely, it was the greatest boon to a group of Africans.


    August 19, 2019 at 9:58 AM

  18. A few years ago I read Fredrick Douglass’s account of his life. (I can’t remember which version it was- he wrote several at different periods.) I remember a passage in which he makes the exact opposite of the argument contained in the tweet above.

    Douglass wrote that, when he was a slave, he assumed that slavery was the source of all wealth. He thought this because he saw that the Southern whites who owned slaves were rich, but the whites who didn’t own slaves were very poor. He knew that slavery was illegal in the North, so he assumed that everyone there was poor. But when he escaped and made his way to the North, he was shocked to see how much richer it was than the South.

    Douglass concluded that the institution of slavery was actually retarding the South economically, even though it created a wealthy, aristocratic lifestyle for a certain class of Southern slave owners. This was one of the arguments he made when he was part of the pre-war abolitionist movement.


    August 19, 2019 at 10:24 AM

    • It’s been a long time since I read it, but I remember Douglass’s autobio as a classic of American literature. So many good or even great black writers render their works unreadable by all but the most masochistic white readers with their poisonous and gratuitous antiwhite hostility. I didn’t see any of that in Douglass.

      Funnily enough, you can say the same thing about Eldridge Cleaver’s Soul on Ice. He was a black radical but the hate whitey stuff, though there, seemed to be there because it had to be, and his heart wasn’t in it. It’s a really funny book, especially how he keeps harping that Reagan, then only the California governor, was “corny.” That is my biggest criticism of Ronny too.

      Not Insane

      August 19, 2019 at 12:13 PM

      • “It’s been a long time since I read it, but I remember Douglass’s autobio as a classic of American literature. So many good or even great black writers render their works unreadable by all but the most masochistic white readers with their poisonous and gratuitous antiwhite hostility. I didn’t see any of that in Douglass.”

        We (well, liberals anyway) project their feelings about slavery onto African slaves of the time. We think that slavery is outrageous, so that’s how it must have seemed to them, and especially a freed slave like Frederick Douglass. But in 1860 Russia was still to emancipate its serfs, conditions in Ireland were, even according to Douglass, worse than those of a slave in America. It was a much harsher world for everyone, including American whites, so slavery in America must have been pretty close to the global norm for levels of suffering. It’s not like when they were freed the slaves would be expecting anything other than back-breaking work and hardship, because that’s all that was on offer for almost everyone.

        prolier than thou

        August 19, 2019 at 5:23 PM

      • The books I’ve read by black writers have all been like that. Booker feared that blacks would gravitate towards bullshitting professions like preacher. Ellison admitted communist agitation in the Harlem riots. Henry Louis Gates said blacks loved Amos n Andy, and showed how integration broke up a well functioning black community.

        You can be more honest in a book, because most people don’t read them.

        Mrs Stitch

        August 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM

      • “But in 1860 Russia was still to emancipate its serfs, conditions in Ireland were, even according to Douglass, worse than those of a slave in America.”

        Nobody gives a fuck what Whites do to other Whites.


        August 19, 2019 at 10:09 PM

      • “Nobody gives a fuck what Whites do to other Whites.”


        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 19, 2019 at 11:20 PM

    • “You people of the South don’t know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don’t know what you’re talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it … Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.”

      – Gen, William T. Sherman, four days after the secession of South Carolina


      August 19, 2019 at 4:32 PM

  19. It’s very welcoming to see the NYT is drawing a line in the sand.

    A Dilettante

    August 19, 2019 at 11:03 AM

  20. Let’s leave Meriprolestan and return it to the natives.

    By the way, I never understood why the banana republics south of us are completely irrelevant when it comes to New World history, unless we are talking about illegal invasions and the drug cartels.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 19, 2019 at 11:31 AM

    • Brazil had slaves. It should be rich too. And Haiti.


      August 19, 2019 at 2:54 PM

      • Haitians revolted in what, 1798?

        Worked out great for them didn’t it.

        Mrs Stitch

        August 19, 2019 at 6:20 PM

      • Wonderful. Haitia is a paradise!


        August 19, 2019 at 9:32 PM

      • The entire new world is a mess of colonialism and progressive politics, except Québec, an oppressed French Canadian, White ethnostate, and Argentina, a Hispano-Fascist, White ethnostate.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 19, 2019 at 10:17 PM

      • @OK French Canadians are not oppressed. And they dislike mass immigration even more than anglophones.

        Frau Katze

        August 20, 2019 at 2:06 AM

  21. Do you suppose Mara Gay would take offense if someone told her that nearly everything that makes America awful grew out of black dysfunction?


    August 19, 2019 at 12:31 PM

  22. There are other first world countries that a generally peaceful, pleasant and prosperous. Yest they had no slavery.


    August 19, 2019 at 12:49 PM

    • If you look at Europe today, the countries that a) did not have colonies/slavery and b) are not ex-communist are just as wealthy as the countries that did have colonies/slavery and are not ex-communist.


      August 19, 2019 at 2:58 PM

  23. It has been said that if a slave ship left Africa for the Unites States today, so many people would try to climb aboard that the ship would sink.


    August 19, 2019 at 2:28 PM

  24. I wonder how many Japanese or Icelandic people look at the wealth in America today and think to themselves “this is all because of African slavery. If I had a time machine, I’d go back in time and bring a load back to our country, it would be totally worth it for the GDP and the basketball.”

    prolier than thou

    August 19, 2019 at 5:27 PM

  25. Off-topic but your audience will like this article.


    August 19, 2019 at 5:35 PM

  26. OT: So Epstein’s will has been released and it turns out that he did have a lot of money, over $500 million in assets. But the mystery of how he earned it, the source of the money, is as baffling as ever.

    Daniel H

    August 19, 2019 at 5:50 PM

  27. There needs to be a way for all those Whites with guilt about slavery to sign themselves over to Black families as indentured servants


    August 19, 2019 at 6:06 PM


      In short, students, families and brain addled libtards in the U.S., Canada, Australia and the UK are made to march in “Reconciliation Walks” to help “Heal the past & transform the future” and repair the terrible acts committed by whites centuries ago against other races….

      Oswald Spengler

      August 19, 2019 at 9:29 PM

    • “There needs to be a way for all those Whites with guilt about slavery to sign themselves over to Black families as indentured servants.”

      That will never happen. Some Whites would find happiness in indentured servitude.

      And that’s one thing that cannot be tolerated.


      August 19, 2019 at 10:12 PM

      • It’s happening now. It’s called wage slavery on a cubicle farm. You need a college degree to attain it.

        Point Blank

        August 20, 2019 at 4:57 AM

  28. Cant wait to learn how slavery led to the development of the Bessemer process and the transistor!


    August 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM

  29. “Nobody gives a fuck what Whites do to other Whites.”

    Or what blacks do to blacks, browns to browns, etc.

    Or what blacks do to whites, browns to whites, etc

    Only what whites supposedly do or did to non-whites is what we’re conditioned to notice and be outraged by. You combine this with open borders, all the corporations “benevolently” adopting social concern into their planks and doing ad campaigns about gays and trannys. . .it’s an insane world!

    Has it ever been close to sane? Anybody here alive in the 50s? Was it really a Mayberry whiteopia of general sanity, standards, and wholesomeness? Or did it not happen like the left says?


    August 20, 2019 at 12:03 PM

    • They care a little bit about what blacks to do blacks, but they blame it on racism and Republicans who are too cheap to fund education and “anti-poverty” progams.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 20, 2019 at 12:39 PM

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