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Billy Joel – Los Angelenos (Live at Sparks, 1981)

First time I’ve seen this live performance by Billy Joel. Touring the Los Angeles area on Google Street View made me think of this song. I think that Billy Joel perfectly captured the essence of Los Angeles in the early 1970s. As you know, Billy Joel lived there for two years, so the song is partly autobiographical.

My favorite line is:

Such hot sweet schoolgirls
So educated

Which is sandwiched between having sex, smoking “Mexican reefers” and getting exotic massages.

I think that Epstein isn’t the only man who was attracted to hot sweet schoolgirls. Count Billy Joel among that group!

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 18, 2019 at EDT am

Posted in Music videos

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  1. People fantasize about all kinds of things. Fantasy isn’t the problem. Acting on it is. So is talking about it . People should keep their creep to themselves.

    destructure

    August 18, 2019 at EDT am

  2. I was never a fan of Billy’s, but if you want to hear what’s probably his best effort, here it is:

    Roli

    August 18, 2019 at EDT am

    • It’s a song about unrequited love (or what PUAs would call “oneitis”).

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 18, 2019 at EDT am

    • He had a beautiful voice when he started out but even by early 80s it diminished starkly. Compare this to his first album and it doesn’t even sound like the same artist.

      Same thing happened to elton john’s voice. Was it drugs/ smoking? Opera singers can maintain their voices but so many rock stars get gravelly and lose the timbre that made them noteworthy in the first place.

      toomanymice

      August 18, 2019 at EDT am

      • Which first album? Billy Joel’s voice definitely got a lot deeper than the Cold Spring Harbor era.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 18, 2019 at EDT am

      • Billy Joel is a good example of unintended prole drift. His dad came from Germany with a background in music and business, only to settle in Hicksville, Long Island, which is a wasteland of do-nothings. There’s always Captain Jack who’ll take you to that special island.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 18, 2019 at EDT am

      • His vocal range (lowest note to highest note) attenuated so it’s not that his voice got deeper but he lost his range. You can hear how incredible his range was early on in songs like tomorrow is today. Plus the quality of the tone deteriorates by early 80s whether he can hit the note or not.

        This happens to so many rock singers but not opera singers which is arguably more grueling vocally. I’m just curious as to why.

        toomanymice

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Tom Petty said his voice was never the same after performing Refugee at Live Farm Aid 1985.

        E. Rekshun

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  3. Why take the huge legal risk with sweet young schoolgirls when you can enjoy Mexican reefer and exotic massages?

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    August 18, 2019 at EDT am

    • Because they are so educated. Joel’s statement is nothing more than an expression of the esteem in which he holds female education as a tool of empowerment and emancipation for women of all genders and none.

      prolier than thou

      August 18, 2019 at EDT am

    • There wasn’t any risk. California has always had the “reasonable mistake” defense for statutory rape, so unless a girl who looks 18 gives you reason to know she’s actually 16, you’re OK.

      Vipltd

      August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Nobody would want to get arrested and put on trial, even if the defense eventually works.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  4. Saw Billy Joel in 1986 at the old Boston Garden.

    E. Rekshun

    August 18, 2019 at EDT am

  5. Forty years ago, the age of consent was generally 16, and in many states it was as low as 13. Listen to some old rock and roll, 16- and 17-year old girls were fair game, with some songs implying girls younger than that were OK. “Young girl, get out of my mind…”

    Current mores and laws cannot be imposed backwards in time.

    bob sykes

    August 18, 2019 at EDT am

    • The whole point of the song ‘young girl get out of my mind’ is that younger girls were NOT fair game, duh.

      His love for her is WAY out of line, remember?

      Although ‘young girl, get out of my mind, current mores and laws cannot be imposed backwards through time’ would also work as a lyric, giving it a modern, post Epstein ‘lotb’ twist.

      prolier than thou

      August 18, 2019 at EDT am

      • I remember this song – “Young Girl” by Gary Puckett and the Union Gap. It was one of the first singles I bought at age 7. Even then I understood what it was about (hard not to, the singer is pretty blunt.) I wasn’t shocked even at age 7 because I knew that teenage girls were attractive to older men but that there was also a taboo on men going with teenagers. I thought it was at least good that he was trying to fight his urges. I wasn’t too fond of the line “cause I’m afraid we’ll go too far.” I thought it was more graphic than it needed to be. That’s “Maryk” for you – a social conservative even at age 7!

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        August 19, 2019 at EDT pm

    • In 1980 there was a hit about a man in a presumed sexual relationship with a 16 year old girl. It was called “Into The Night” by Benny Mardones. “She’s just 16 years old leave her alone they say” but he doesn’t leave her and seems to have no guilt about it.

      Jay Fink

      August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Yacht Rock!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • There’s also ‘does your mother know that you’re out’ by Abba. But then, that is rather ambigious, ‘I can dance with you…you’re so cute, I like your style, and i know what it means when you give me a flash of that smile, but girl you’re only a child’. So the song is still coming down on the side of not touching kids.

        Then there’s ‘girl, you’ll be a woman soon’ by Urge Overkill and whoever recorded it before that. Neil Diamond maybe. The song does say ‘soon you’ll need a man’ implying that she is much younger than he is.

        And the song from the musical gigi, ‘thank heaven for little girls’. I’ve seen it argued that this song has been unfairly maligned, seeing as the point of the song is ‘because little girls become women’. But it was certainly different times when songs like this could be written by men!

        Elvis liked them young of course, but performed no songs about it.

        And I seem to remember David Bowie in the 80’s chasing a little girl around a labyrinth whilst he wore a really tight codpiece. I’m guessing that film held a special place in Jeffrey’s heart. But sadly no music on the subject from Bowie.

        I hope Lion is writing all these songs down ready for a compilation CD.

        prolier than thou

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

    • Am I the only one who remembers this song? Ringo no less.

      Curle

      August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  6. Someone should write an inverse of Only the Good Die Young with a catholic guido trying to woo an uptight orthodox girl. ‘You might be counting the omer but you didn’t count on me/ well the shomrim said all I could give you was a reputation…’

    toomanymice

    August 18, 2019 at EDT am

    • Catholic guidos don’t need to write songs to get hot Jewish girls. They just need to take off their shirts.

      njguy73

      August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

    • True story: I once had a teacher who is part Jewish and part Italian. He was a complete Pannetone fruit cake for Passover, rambling about how Italians are good with their hands in the likes of Michelangelo and their culinary delights (because Italian cuisine is considered world class), while gulping down on a simple bagel with lox spread.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • It’s true that Italian food is way better than Jewish food.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • On the other spectrum of edibles, chocolate babkas, black and white cookies, and bagels at Whole Foods are always “grab them while you can”.

        The poor stock of Italian biscotti cookies just sit there for days, without being replenished. So it seems!

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I need to find that article again.

        An Italian baker became wealthier, because a Jewish baker taught him to bake Jewish baked goods and have them Kosherized for a Jewish customer base. It worked.

        Imagine going to an Italian bakery and getting Challah bread, babka and rugelach.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • You might be floored that Joseph Floriano, a Italian American baker of Enrico’s Pastry Shop, makes Jewish baked goods, and he makes them to adapt to the various demographics which keeps his business alive in the Morris Park Section of the Bronx (with a tiny black minority, Hispanic majority section, no Riverdale, but better than the other parts). It’s now since closed, apparently of mismanagement.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  7. Sorry, but does Sparks refer to the name of some L.A. venue of the time, or the town next to Reno?

    Val

    August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

    • I presume the town next to Reno, but what was he doing there?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

      • Performing at a casino presumably. Sparks is basically a neighborhood of Reno and it has at least one major casino, the Nugget.

        Curle

        August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  8. A BJ song that Trump voters could relate.

    The Downeaster Alexa was a song about fish mongering proles who are losing their livelihood, because the fishes are disappearing in the ocean, because the bigger fish are eating the smaller fishes (industrial fishing over-fishing, which the small fisherman are losing their livelihood).

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  9. Don’t put Billy Joel in the same conversation with Epstein.

    Cheryl

    August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  10. No need to insult Billy Joel.! Writing what see is not a crime yet. Norms should be seen in the context of their time… Hindsight is useless in the past ..

    Don Rodríguez Gómez Rosa

    August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

    • No need to insult Billy Joel! Writing about you see is not a crime yet. Judging the past with current ideals is never a good idea. Hindsight is useless in the past. Contextualize…. Your four year old self should not be judge by your 14 year old self who will then be judge by your 24 year old self. Let us pretend we are always changing for the better. We are all a variation on being human. More compassion… And more compassion…

      Don Rodríguez Gómez Rosa

      August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  11. I wonder if some of the musicians in the band were from Manster, the group that was on the Live at CBGB album from 1976. The two songs Manster did on that album were incredibly good hard rock. “I’m Really Not This Way” sounds like Lou Reed fronting King Crimson. That sounds unlikely and horrible but it worked. They also did a cover of “Over Under Sideways Down” that has to be heard to be believed. I read somewhere that Manster had some players from Joel’s band moonlighting.

    Got Some Albums

    August 18, 2019 at EDT pm

  12. Dancing queen, young and sweet, only seventeen – Abba

    Catholic girls at the CYO. Catholic girls, you know how they go – Frank Zappa

    Sponge Worthy

    August 19, 2019 at EDT am

  13. “Stray Cat Blues” Rolling Stones. Beggars Banquet.

    I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
    I know you’re no scare-eyed honey.
    There’ll be a feast if you just come upstairs
    But it’s no hanging matter
    It’s no capital crime
    I can see that you’re fifteen years old
    No I don’t want your I.D.
    And I can see that you’re so far from home
    But it’s no hanging matter
    It’s no capital crime
    Oh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
    Oh yeah, don’tcha scratch like that
    Oh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
    I bet, bet your mama don’t know you scream like that
    I bet your mother don’t know you can spit like that.
    You look so weird and you’re so far from home
    But you don’t really miss your mother
    Don’t look so scared I’m no mad-brained bear
    But it’s no hanging matter
    It’s no capital crime
    Oh, yeah
    Woo!
    I bet your mama don’t know that you scatch like that
    I bet she don’t know you can bite like that.
    You say you got a friend, that she’s wilder than you
    Why don’t you bring her upstairs
    If she’s so wild then she can join in too
    It’s no hanging matter
    It’s no capital crime
    Oh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
    Oh yeah, don’tcha scratch like that
    Oh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
    I bet you mama don’t know you can bite like that
    I’ll bet she never saw you scratch my back

    Curle

    August 20, 2019 at EDT am

    • I remember this song. I heard it for the first time on the radio about 15 years ago. I didn’t listen to the lyrics closely, though. I called up another radio station to request it so I could tape it. When they played it and I payed attention to the lyrics I thought “Oh, my God. What have I done?” I couldn’t believe how graphic it was. This song was from 1968. It was way out by today’s standards, let alone then.

      Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      August 20, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I’ll bet Curle is glad I posted something that didn’t involve my Gilbert Gottfried fantasies!

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        August 20, 2019 at EDT pm

      • I like your Gilbert Gottfried fantasies. They’re a hoot!

        Curle

        August 21, 2019 at EDT am

      • BTW – how weird is it that Mick sing’s ‘it’s no hanging matter’?

        Turns out, it is.

        Curle

        August 21, 2019 at EDT am


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