Lion of the Blogosphere

The genetics of homosexuality

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6456/eaat7693

As an HBD blogger, I’ve always said, duh! of course gayness has a strong genetic component. Proven right again.

However, as attitudes towards gayness have progressed from something considered disgusting and gross to something considered awesome and prideful, of course more people of borderline sexuality are going to go over to the other team.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 29, 2019 at 2:33 PM

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  1. “attitudes towards gayness have progressed from something considered disgusting and gross to something considered awesome and prideful”

    Have they really? As of this writing, there are zero known gays currently active in MLB, the NFL, the NBA and the NHL. I only noticed because the article below says so.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27484719/no-distractions-nfl-veteran-opens-sexuality

    A poor performer formerly in the NFL who was cut two years ago is trying to use gayness as his meal ticket back in. He doesn’t even claim to be ‘gay’ but bisexual. Seems to me he is trying to use the fact that he experimented with boys to get a big NFL contract.

    I say he would be a bargain at twice the price as protection for the NFL from the lavender mafia.

    dan

    August 29, 2019 at 2:51 PM

    • How many gays do we think are outstanding athletes? Probably not many, but possibly a few. So I’m prepared to think there are still a few closeted gays in pro sports.

      I’d think it would still be a career positive to be an out pro athlete. Something like the Colin Kaepernick formula. The guy in that article gets it. A lot of pro athletes aren’t that smart though and probably don’t have the mentality to pursue this kind of hustle.

      Being out would probably be a negative for your team’s performance on the field. While the young men on their team might be prepared to give the right answers when it comes to their views on gayness, they still find it disgusting privately, and it’s a huge barrier to male bonding.

      Wency

      August 29, 2019 at 4:49 PM

    • At Sailer’s, one of the standing questions is whether blacks or gays are in a higher position on the intersectional stack. My guess is that blacks would prevail over any shaming attempt by the lavender mafia, and that blacks’ current silence about how much gays disgust them is an unremarked example of their inbred southern courtesy.

      Marty

      August 29, 2019 at 5:03 PM

      • “blacks’ current silence about how much gays disgust them”

        Are they? Silent?

        Anyone who expresses disgust regarding gays is banned from mainstream discourse. Even blacks.

        Curle

        August 29, 2019 at 10:46 PM

      • The example of Kevin Hart would suggest otherwise.

        Ian

        August 29, 2019 at 11:12 PM

      • @Curle: Well, yes on the whole blacks refrain from skewering gays to anything near the extent they could. But who knows, maybe they’re afraid gays will point out how they need help graduating high school. On the retaliation front, I’ll give you Tim Hardaway, one of my favorite performers ever. He was unpersoned several years ago. But I don’t think Kevin Hart proves much. After all, the Oscars are gays’ home turf.

        Did I ever tell the story of the lesbian basketball coach at Berkeley who was fired when she called a gay basher a “black bastard”? Rick, a LongIslander who used to play a State Farm agent, wanted the women’s team to leave the court faster so the ‘community’ guys could start their noontime pick-up game. He said something like, “let’s go dykes!” He hired NorCal’s version of Johnnie Cochran, and U.C. paid him $12k for his tender feelings. When someone asked me in the locker room if I’d heard the news, I said, “yeah, where is that black bastard anyway?” And Rick jumped out with a big smile on his face.

        Marty

        August 30, 2019 at 1:27 AM

      • TPTB go out of their way to keep the various factions of the anti-white coalition from falling out and focused on hating whitey. Who has more pokemon points at any given time is irrelevant. What matters is who is really running that coalition.

        destructure

        August 30, 2019 at 4:17 AM

    • Aaron Rodgers is widely rumored to be gay per the gossip sites. Like in the Cory Booker or Lindsay Graham range of probability.

      I doubt talent/desire to play pro sports and sexual orientation are independent variables, though. As Steve Sailer pointed out, AIDS was a scourge on arts/entertainment starts when it first appeared but mostly left pro sports untouched.

      Jokah Macpherson

      August 29, 2019 at 6:49 PM

      • Doesn’t he hide the salami with Danica Patrick?

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        August 29, 2019 at 8:19 PM

      • FWIW (nothing) I believe Rodgers is gay. I don’t necessarily believe in the exception that proves the rule theory, but he’s it. He’s an unusual personality type in our society, the hyper-masculine homosexual.

        But – lots of rumors swirled around Troy Aikman and they turned out to be BS. So there’s that.

        gothamette

        August 29, 2019 at 8:26 PM

      • Green Gay Packers?

        Curle

        August 29, 2019 at 11:49 PM

      • Gays in the media want him to be gay. (((Controversy))) is their bread and butt-er.

        Spokket

        August 30, 2019 at 5:39 AM

      • The Fudgepackers.

        gothamette

        August 30, 2019 at 9:23 AM

      • “Aaron Rodgers is widely rumored to be gay per the gossip sites. ”

        Rodgers:
        “Yeah, I’m just going to say I’m not gay. I really, really like women. ”

        Dude is currently with hottie Danica Patrick, FFS!

        This only goes to show how desperate media and social media are to locate any gay male athlete.

        Dan

        August 30, 2019 at 9:25 AM

      • I’m no expert on Rodgers, but he dated Olivia Munn from 2014 to 2017 and now Danica Patrick. There’s nothing to even remotely suggest he’s gay other than a bunch homos who, apparently, wish he was.

        destructure

        August 30, 2019 at 11:41 AM

      • “I’m no expert on Rodgers, but he dated Olivia Munn from 2014 to 2017 and now Danica Patrick. There’s nothing to even remotely suggest he’s gay other than a bunch homos who, apparently, wish he was.”

        I am definitely not a gay person who wishes Rodgers were gay, the opposite. I dislike this “search for the great gay athlete”. But I think those relationships were show biz bearding.

        There were rumors swirling around Aikman which I always thought were BS and I was right.

        Same deal about Koufax. Nonsense.

        “(((Controversy))) is their bread and butt-er.”

        If you mean Jews just say it. (((This))) means Jewish.

        gothamette

        August 30, 2019 at 1:37 PM

      • No, DON’T say Jews or uses coded anti-Semitic stuff, or I will try to ban you.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 30, 2019 at 1:43 PM

      • Lion – I’m unclear – are you saying I used that anti-Semitic code? I didn’t. I was pointing out the other guy did. I was surprised you let it through.

        gothamette

        August 30, 2019 at 6:01 PM

      • I didn’t say that you used it, and it got past me.

        But it won’t happen again.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 30, 2019 at 6:50 PM

      • OK.

        gothamette

        August 30, 2019 at 7:55 PM

      • “No, DON’T say Jews or uses coded anti-Semitic stuff”

        I don’t mean this flippantly or sarcastically; I’m genuinely curious (and evidently naive) about where the initial anti-semitism was. I’m not from the northeast and I think thus have a little less exposure to anti-semitism as a result (every person I’ve ever met that I thought was an anti-semite was from the NYC area). Is it the multiple parentheses? I can’t recall seeing that anyplace else – I kind of perceived it as something like shouting in all caps – but you should know that there are some (many, most?) of us who had no idea that had anything to do with anti-semitism.

        TWBC

        August 30, 2019 at 8:16 PM

    • There are many lesbians though, sport is a manly thing and therefore both manly women and manly men excel in it, only in one case it means the gay women and in the other case it is the straight men.

      Hashed

      August 29, 2019 at 8:32 PM

      • This is an astute comment. I suspect maybe double the usual lesbian representation in sport over the general population. Possibly even more.

        The Philosopher

        August 30, 2019 at 5:45 AM

  2. It’s gonna be fun when they can test for this in the womb and homosexuality will be almost wiped out. Look forward to “My body my choice, unless he’s a poofter” arguments

    everybodyhatesscott

    August 29, 2019 at 3:06 PM

    • If the option to abort a gay child is available, then the virtue signal of bringing one to term will be that much stronger.

      Wency

      August 29, 2019 at 4:26 PM

      • Our soon to be overlords – east and south asians – don’t virtue signal.

        Daniel H

        August 29, 2019 at 6:56 PM

      • Asians seem more into power signaling than virtue signaling. But, I figure that can change if they catch on that virtue signaling is a form of power signaling.

        not too late

        September 1, 2019 at 8:06 AM

    • Yeah, right. I remember John Derbyshire making that point, but that was like 20 years ago now. Now homosexuality is celebrated. What SWPL mother would choose to abort her baby for being gay today? If anything, they’ll probably be clamoring for research into genetic engineering that can guarantee you’ll have a gay baby.

      Hermes

      August 29, 2019 at 4:35 PM

      • What they do in the shadows is different than what they tweet about. SWPL Mom will praise gayness online, but if you’re in to having children, you probably want grandchildren. Loving the Ellen Show is different from wanting your child to be Ellen.

        Mike Street Station

        August 31, 2019 at 9:33 AM

    • What will be more interesting is if SJW’s actively start selecting for foetuses that have extra victim points. Imagine if an entire class of people deliberately chose to make their kids gay due to genetic selection/gene editing for ideological reasons. They would wipe themselves (and their ideology) out in a generation. Would probably be doing the rest of us sane people a favour.

      chris

      August 29, 2019 at 5:01 PM

      • They’d say it but not do it. The staunchest anti-racist feminists I know live in all white neighborhoods, and are married to white men who serve as family’s bread winner.

        Yeah there are some freaks who drank a little more cool aid, but these sickos are already turning their kids “trans” and shooting them up with hormones. That’s way more vogue than using gene editing to turn your kid gay.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        August 30, 2019 at 3:02 PM

    • No way, women will design their male babies to be gay so they have a kid they can talk about interior design and go shopping for clothes with.

      Gozo

      August 29, 2019 at 5:38 PM

    • I would prefer trans children: girls up to age 12 and then turn into boys.

      My 2¢

      August 29, 2019 at 6:33 PM

      • Hah! This

        Jokah Macpherson

        August 29, 2019 at 9:30 PM

    • Rich gay guys can offer surrogates to breed gay babies.

      gothamette

      August 29, 2019 at 8:27 PM

  3. “These aggregate genetic influences partly overlapped with those on a variety of other traits, including externalizing behaviors such as smoking, cannabis use, risk-taking, and the personality trait ‘openness to experience.’ ”

    I always wondered why so many homos were far left, used drugs, etc.

    destructure

    August 29, 2019 at 3:29 PM

    • There’s a conservative type of gay but they keep it on the down low.

      I don’t just mean pseudo-conservative, I mean actually conservative. I’ve always gotten along with these guys. Nice conversationalists, etc. They respect me because I’m not a fag hag type and don’t put up with shit and I don’t treat them condescendingly (like they are pseudo-women).

      Right now, believe it or not, wokeness has invaded ballet, and some of the most angry “reactionaries” are the gays who have powerful positions in the business. I suppose you don’t care but if anyone wants more info, ask me.

      gothamette

      August 30, 2019 at 9:26 AM

      • I am asking, from what I see Ballet is mostly a women thing, the equivalent of soccer mum but for girls. There are always the 2 or 3 and most of them are gay anyway, so who are they complaining to exactly? The rich white couples patrons?

        Hashed

        August 30, 2019 at 11:48 PM

      • Male professional dancers (both modern & ballet) are probably 50% gay, which is way above the average. Michael Bailey has discovered this – I could have told him that.

        Nevertheless, ballet is now a big deal all across the country. Every small town has a regional ballet company. It’s nuts in a way – do they need a ballet company in Indianapolis? They have one.

        The competition to get into the best company in the country, School of American Ballet, is nuts. Thousands of girls compete to get into the school which is the feeder for the NYC Ballet. SAB now has a diversity advisor. They will cave eventually.

        Blacks are becoming very militant about being allowed into major companies, and not just as any other dancer – they specifically want to be admitted as black dancers.

        They demand that they be allowed to perform in brown toe shoes, for example.

        A black woman, Misty Copeland, guilt-tripped her way to principal ballerina rank at the other top US company, American Ballet Theater, even though her dancing is sub-standard. Every ballet fan knows she can’t cut it but she got the job because she mounted a PR campaign.

        gothamette

        August 31, 2019 at 8:00 PM

      • “A black woman, Misty Copeland, guilt-tripped her way to principal ballerina rank at the other top US company, American Ballet Theater, even though her dancing is sub-standard. Every ballet fan knows she can’t cut it but she got the job because she mounted a PR campaign.”

        It worked. I saw her on 60 Minutes. It was a “greatest thing since sliced bread” portrayal. How would an average guy know her dancing is substandard?

        Mike Street Station

        September 1, 2019 at 7:50 AM

      • He wouldn’t, but dance fans know it, and recently there’s been a turn of the tide and her incompetence is now an open secret.

        She became a principal because she was screwing a board member who worked at Goldman Sachs.

        gothamette

        September 1, 2019 at 10:01 AM

    • It’s not so much the “other traits” such as smoking, cannabis use et al that is concerning, it’s the mental aspects, as in:

      “In a finding that could be especially sensitive, the researchers found that whether someone ever engaged in same-sex sexual behaviour showed genetic correlations with mental health issues, like major depressive disorder or schizophrenia, and with traits like risk-taking, cannabis use, openness to experience and loneliness.”

      The gay world is not comfortable with this study. Some want it “shadow banned”.

      gda53

      August 30, 2019 at 10:32 AM

  4. But wait … lesbians never had anything close to the sense of disgust and grossness that gay men sometimes experienced, yet it’s also lesbians whose numbers are rapidly increasing.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    August 29, 2019 at 3:31 PM

    • Lesbianism was still discouraged. Now it’s celebrated even more strongly than male homosexuality (Hollywood knows people are much more prepared to sit through women making out than men). And women respond more strongly to social proof than men, plus women have lower libido than men and are more open to accepting substitutes to intercourse.

      Wency

      August 29, 2019 at 4:55 PM

  5. The article says genes can explain 8% of homosexuality.

    There are a large number of studies saying various traits are 30% to 70% heritable. It is reasonable to assume that homosexuality is 50% genetic. The rest could be influenced by environmental factors.

    Roger

    August 29, 2019 at 4:04 PM

    • Not so fast. I’ll concede the truth of your second sentence. The other 3 sentences are (IMO) on shaky grounds until/unless we get (a lot) more info.

      We know that the hunt for the “gay gene” is about as likely to be successful as the hunt for a real unicorn.
      Here’s how NPR framed the study in their headline:
      “Search For ‘Gay Genes’ Comes Up Short In Large New Study”
      The Economist:
      “A scientific study has established that there is no “gay gene””
      And most others are similar.

      So I’m for caution here. Seems you can make up your own preferred narrative of this study. They even issue a caution in their conclusion – “Nevertheless, many uncertainties remain to be explored….”.

      Now that so much progress has been made in just the past few years on how various traits are influenced not by just one gene but by many genes operating simultaneously, its only logical that the “gay gene” crew would want to jump on board as well.

      I’ll reserve judgement until GCochran9 chimes in.

      gda53

      August 29, 2019 at 8:59 PM

    • Does anyone else find it ironic that the left readily accepts the genetic basis of sexual orientation but not intelligence?

      destructure

      August 30, 2019 at 4:41 AM

      • Of course.

        What fascinates me more than IQ is personality type.

        https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/dan-freedmans-babies/

        gothamette

        August 30, 2019 at 9:32 AM

      • In my experience it’s not that the left doesn’t accept the genetic basis of intelligence, but that they don’t accept population genetics. They will admit that there’s likely a strong genetic basis for intelligence, but insist that this can only be valid at the individual level, and deny that the alleles for intelligence could be more frequent in some populations that share common ancestry than others.

        Hermes

        August 30, 2019 at 11:16 AM

      • @Hermes,

        That’s a good description of the illogic of the left-wing idea of genes. Because EVERYTHING is population genetics. Genetics doesn’t really mean anything if you don’t admit the truth of population genetics.

        Because if they were right, then nothing else would be heritable. Height, eye color, disease proneness, etc.

        It’s kind of like saying “I believe in gravity but it won’t affect me if I throw myself out of a 3 story window, only a 6 story window.”

        gothamette

        August 30, 2019 at 1:40 PM

      • More like “I believe that with all other conditions being equal, someone who jumps out of a 6 story window will almost certainly die, while someone who jumps out of a 3 story window will likely be serious injured but be much less likely to die. But if we gather society-wide statistics comparing thousands of people who fell 6 stories vs. thousands who fell 3 stories, and there is a statistically significant difference in death rates, that can only possibly be due to confounding factors. Maybe people who fall 6 stories are more likely to fall headfirst, maybe there’s an updraft under 3-story windows but not 6-story windows, maybe lightning is more likely to strike 6-story-fallers on the way down, maybe evil racists pave the ground under 6-story windows with concrete but install nets under 3-story windows…”

        Hermes

        August 30, 2019 at 8:27 PM

      • Yeah, that’s what I meant.

        gothamette

        August 31, 2019 at 8:02 PM

    • The heritability is in the ~25% range, way lower than most other phenotypes.

      That’s much lower than the heritability of homophobia.

      JayMan

      August 30, 2019 at 1:27 PM

  6. Edward Dutton an anthropologist mentions that left-handedness correlates to homosexuality, and since left-handedness is an indicator that something is genetically off with an individual, homosexuality too means the same. Dutton also referenced a study which found the younger/youngest brother(s) in families with many boys had an elevated risk of becoming fags. Apparently every boy baby born leaves behind female hormones in his mother’s womb as a biological strategy to decrease the likelihood of his younger brother(s) competing for future girlfriend(s).

    Roli

    August 29, 2019 at 4:57 PM

  7. I there a behavior that doesn’t have a genetic component?

    Jokah Macpherson

    August 29, 2019 at 6:53 PM

    • “I there a behavior that doesn’t have a genetic component?”

      Any negative behavior when it appears in blacks. Crime, low IQ, school attendance, work reliability, etc.

      Curle

      August 29, 2019 at 10:56 PM

  8. Strong connection? 8% is strong? And that is taking 100’s of genes into consideration?

    Half Canadian

    August 29, 2019 at 7:33 PM

  9. The heritability estimate provided by this study indicates that homosexuality is less heritable than many behaviors commonly accepted as non-genetic, such as hours of TV watched, favorite color, or divorce risk. Not exactly compelling.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    August 29, 2019 at 8:31 PM

  10. You never consider sexual abuse when it comes to homosexuality. So many of the kids abused by pedophile priests ended up ‘gay.’ Yes some showed signs of gayness as kids but definitely not all. Unfortunately forced sexual activity imprints on the mind in an irreversible manner. I’ve read female rape victims end up delving into bdsm, for example.

    If you could factor out every gay guy who was sexually abused then you’d have something, but so many were it’s difficult to parse out.

    Most of the ‘bisexual’ individuals I’ve encountered were obviously mentally ill so I’d add that as another mitigating factor.

    As far as the legitimately gay it’s probably an epigenetic event as older same sex siblings is the only determinative common denominator.

    toomanymice

    August 29, 2019 at 8:42 PM

    • Also many people ‘magically’ turn gay in prison but are super masculine outside prison or heterosexual otherwise.

      Homosexuality is mainly environmental.

      The Philosopher

      August 30, 2019 at 5:50 AM

    • Probably nothing to this.

      JayMan

      August 30, 2019 at 8:17 AM

      • Why do you think so many of the pedophile priest victims turned out gay? By most accounts priests targeted boys with vulnerable home situations, not on some sense of nascent sexuality.

        Perhaps sexual abuse is or was more widespread than is realized, so it could be coincidental.

        toomanymice

        August 30, 2019 at 11:08 AM

      • Has this been systematically studied? If that is a real pattern, I’m suspecting those boys were gay to begin with. (Why were they targets in the first place?)

        JayMan

        August 30, 2019 at 11:15 AM

      • I think Jayman is correct that people are often targeted for a reason.

        I recall reading an account of a guy who was abused at 15. He went on about how he was “sexually confused” and didn’t know how to respond to this older man making sexual overtures. And I thought “15 is a little old to not know how you feel about a teacher or coach pulling his dick out, isn’t it?”

        I do wonder if there’s an “imprinting” element though. For example, there’s likely a certain “imprinting” related to a lot of masturbatory behaviors; they might seem weird initially, but people get into them, get a dopamine release, and then continue pursuing them (often to the exclusion of working harder to get laid in real life).

        There might exist a certain slice of the population that would be reluctant to pursue gay sex on their own initiative (particularly in an environment that discourages this behavior) but, being exposed to it, manages to get a dopamine release and continues to pursue it. Moreover, since it’s way easier to get laid as a gay man, they continue pursuing it instead of pursuing women.

        Wency

        August 30, 2019 at 3:26 PM

    • I do think you are on to something. It seems like there are a lot of sexual abuse stories in the background of gays, but I don’t know how statistically significant that is.

      Mike Street Station

      August 31, 2019 at 9:56 AM

  11. Emile Griffith was one of the great boxers of the 1950s and 1960s. After Benny “Kid” Paret called him a maricon at the weigh-in, Griffith went on to kill him in the ring on live TV. If you can find an old interview of Griffith, you can hear that if Griffith wasn’t Gay he did a first-rate good impression of one. Late in life, Griffith admitted to being “bisexual.”

    curri

    August 29, 2019 at 8:45 PM

  12. It doesn’t have a strong genetic component. It’s genetic influence is actually pretty weak as traits go. But yes it does have a genetic component like all things.

    Homophobia is much more heritable than homosexuality.

    JayMan

    August 29, 2019 at 9:17 PM

    • “Homophobia is much more heritable”

      I’ve assumed homo-caution is genetic, like incest it makes sense that it would be, but I’ve never seen studies. On your blog?

      Curle

      August 29, 2019 at 11:45 PM

    • I didn’t read it but I see 8% to 25% and 32%. What is the variability explained by heredity ? Is’there a distinction between male and female ?

      The twin method and adoption studies gave 40% for male and 20% for female with 0 shared environement for male and 20% for female. Leaving 60% stochastic or broad environement.

      Bruno

      August 30, 2019 at 3:00 AM

      • From JayMan’s link:

        “Because of the calculated low genetic fraction, we are safe in saying that people are predominantly not “born that way”; in fact, SSA is a good example of relative lack of prenatal preprogramming.”

        So are they saying that maybe there could be such a thing as a “cure”? Gays won’t be happy about that.

        Also:
        “SSA also seems usually not a matter of deliberate choice, because differing reactions to shared environment occur too young; immature reactions are much more erratic and varied than informed adult ones.”
        and:
        “it is possible that the early initiation of sexual experimentation with a same-gender partner is essentially a random event”

        “random event” – what they call a predatory older male introducing an innocent young child to the joys of fudgepacking.

        Most will move on to normal heterosexual experiences after this “random event”, but I’m sure some victims will be less resilient.

        gda53

        August 30, 2019 at 11:19 AM

    • Im still boning up on this behavioral genetics stuff but are there any significant environmental influences outside of pathogens/severe physical trauma/nuclear radiation? I would assume most drug consumption has a strong environmental influential, even if it’s otherwise mostly genetic.

      GondwanaMan

      August 30, 2019 at 4:46 AM

  13. Actually its only genetic component is a derivative of components linked to certain personality traits linked to gayness. Use logic – how can homosexuality have a genetic basis if gays can’t pass on genes? Exactly.

    The Philosopher

    August 30, 2019 at 5:48 AM

    • Because the genes had advantages back when gays were in the closet. Being a little big gay is associated with traits that are beneficial to achieving higher status and thus having more and higher status children.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 30, 2019 at 9:24 AM

      • “Being a little big gay is associated with traits that are beneficial to achieving higher status and thus having more and higher status children.”

        Not true for most of history in most parts of the world. In fact being seen as soft was a death sentence in some places, especially africa.

        The Philosopher

        August 30, 2019 at 11:21 AM

      • Yes that’s the only possible explanation : it would be a spectrum and passed a certain limit and a certain environement it would crystallize. Because gayness seems to be a discrete choice . Either you like it or not. People in the army or jail are just second choice opportunist whose impulse is higher than disgust. But there are similar to people who would go on animals in the mountain.

        And a continuous variable (or discrete but very dense) can express itself in a very discrete binary (or three cases for bi) way.

        Bruno

        August 30, 2019 at 11:51 AM

      • There is no way lacking interest in the opposite sex could be beneficial for men in any environment. Most non-heterosexual men are gay rather than bisexual (the opposite being true for women). The genes involved in male homosexuality (to the extent they have any effect at all) are constantly being selected against.

        There is also no evidence that gay men have higher status than straight men overall. They certainly don’t have higher IQs.

        Furthermore, this study rules out any inclusive fitness strategies for these genes. The findings are compatible with mutational load, however.

        JayMan

        August 30, 2019 at 1:32 PM

      • “Being a little big gay is associated with traits that are beneficial to achieving higher status and thus having more and higher status children.”

        Not true for most of history in most parts of the world. In fact being seen as soft was a death sentence in some places, especially africa.

        ——–

        This is a perfect break from reading Patreon subscriber only material off of another WordPress blog. I can see the people over there fantasizing about how society will flip on its head after ‘the collapse’, and blue collar types will look down their noses at white collar types. It doesn’t really work that way.

        Higher status people have always been more creative, better with language, more educated, far better at better at trickery, flattery, and deceit, better dressed, more aesthetically inclined, more likely to have powerful friends, and more likely to provide things that were harder to quantize. Sounds slightly gay huh?

        Higher status people have always benefited from the goods and services of lower status people, and have obtained more benefits from less physical labor. Even from no physical labor at all beyond speaking and writing. This dates to at least the beginnings of agriculture. It dates to before written history because these were the exactly the people who invented writing itself.

        These high status people have always seemed ever so slightly gay, and have been accused of being a little gay. This is what Erik Markovic was going for when he changed his name to “von Markovik”, while starting to wear eye shadow and nail polish. Oh, I’m going to look like an aristocratic dandy, and have a dozen jealous guys at a bar accuse me of being gay in front of the women checking me out. Oh the horror!

        Who’s the least masculine male character in Arthurian Legend? Merlin. And who’s the second most powerful and important after the king himself? Other than the king, who could support the largest family even after being so old that he was no longer able to fight (and who could never fight in the first place)?

        Even in a place as dumb and dysfunctional as Africa, the perpetually broke and slightly gay looking sapeurs have no problems getting women. Women who instinctively recognize that:

        “Being a little big gay is associated with traits that are beneficial to achieving higher status and thus having more and higher status children.”

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        August 30, 2019 at 2:41 PM

      • I wish you didn’t repeat my typo:

        “Being a little bit gay is associated with traits that are beneficial to achieving higher status and thus having more and higher status children.”

        Otherwise, thanks for your very excellent perspective.

        Also, I think that men were more free to be gay (in non-sexual areas) when gayness was deep in the closet. Now, straight men are embarrassed to be interested in theater or clothes or whatever gays are supposed to be interested in.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 30, 2019 at 3:23 PM

      • “Also, I think that men were more free to be gay (in non-sexual areas) when gayness was deep in the closet. Now, straight men are embarrassed to be interested in theater or clothes or whatever gays are supposed to be interested in.”

        Whenever it’s so far in the closet that no one worries about it, yes. I once had a co-worker from Nepal who told me with great pride that there was not a single homosexual in his country of origin. For this guy Bollywood movies with men singing and dancing were great, and American movies needed more men singing and dancing while wearing colorful outfits.

        The same was pretty much true for my childhood, and parents who thought that their gay sons who acted like girls were just really well behaved. After all the subtle cues for gayness were missed, the first overt ones were extra shocking.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        August 30, 2019 at 4:00 PM

      • A woman with a nice rack told me that ALL straight men sneak a peak, even the ones who are grown up Boy Scouts, but that gays never do. She considered it a flawless detection system.

        Curle

        August 31, 2019 at 1:46 PM

      • I can believe that.

        JayMan

        September 4, 2019 at 11:39 AM


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