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The NY Times article about Asians and affirmative action

The NY Times article about Asians and affirmative action is more fair and balanced than most NY Times articles. (The Asian-American author of the article once said ““I think I get assigned a lot of stories about race because I’m not white.”)

Even though the article is focused on Asian, and whether or not they should just accept that they need to be discriminated against because there are too many Asians at top schools, or whether they should be angry about it and even vote for Trump. (“Qiao Chen, despite the protestations of his [presumably more woke] son, voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 election. Although he now regrets the choice, he told me that he did it because liberals do not care about Asian-Americans.”)

The author sort of comes off an Asian of genuine privilege, who grew up among upper-class whites, and looks down on prole Asians like the kid Alex who is profiled in the article. And then he’s forthright enough to admit that at the end of the article.

I think the most important thing said in the article isn’t specifically about Asians, but rather about the prole experience:

During that first meeting, I asked Alex if he had ever considered applying for a scholarship at any of New York City’s elite private schools, like Horace Mann, Collegiate or Dalton.

“What are those?” he asked. “Are those schools in the city?”

That could have been me giving the exact same answer when I was Alex’s age. And it’s a very unfair question, to boot. How would a kid in middle school know that that there are scholarships that he could apply at schools he never even heard of? That’s something his parents would have to know about.

In fact, I never really discovered the existence of a whole tier of schools that are way better than Stuyvesant of the Bronx High School of Science until well after I graduated college. Even though I attended Penn for three years (I transferred in from a lesser school) I managed to mostly hang out with a crowd who, although all richer than my parents who were pretty damn financially unsuccessful, none of them were from the elites who go to the best private schools. Or if they were, they didn’t talk about it. And in fact, the type of elites who attend Ivy League schools don’t talk about their elite backgrounds if they can help it.

Despite the prole cluelessness of Alex (or me when I was his age), Havard considers Alex to be “privileged” because of his skin color.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 1, 2019 at 9:35 AM

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  1. Proles lack an outside of the box perspective, hence proles are redundant losers and why proledom is usually associated with the Republican party that lacks dynamism.

    In reality, Asians also applying to schools like Horace Mann in large numbers, is not realistically acceptable to SWPLs who dislike them and they don’t want many of them around their confines.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    September 1, 2019 at 9:55 AM

  2. Lion, you know that once these asian immigrant children reach their 40s and 50s, you’re going to have a elite class of them running this country…. 20% bankers, 20% doctors, 20% lawyers (ok probably not lawyers), maybe 10%? whitehouse staff. I don;t know if my timeframe is right, but you are definitely going to see an elite class of these sub groups by 2040 in america….

    Are the lion’s readers ready for that?

    uman

    September 1, 2019 at 11:34 AM

    • What do you want from me? It wasn’t my immigration policy that allowed mass immigration.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2019 at 1:26 PM

    • I’m always surprised by the scathing attitude towards asians both from liberals and conservatives. The nytimes comments are awash with liberal asian haters. What would be so horrible about smart, well educated asians being in medicine or politics?

      toomanymice

      September 1, 2019 at 2:00 PM

      • Whites perceive Asians as one dimensional and boring. There is a truth to their lack of excitement.

        This is my link to Unz for the 100th time:

        http://www.unz.com/jthompson/asians-bright-but-not-curious/

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 2:48 PM

      • Exactly. Me and a lot of my coworkers started out as h1bs. Grunt workers. But it’s great to see most of their kids now going to med schools. None of my coworkers want their kids to go to tech.

        mpt

        September 1, 2019 at 3:22 PM

      • What would be so horrible about smart, well educated asians being in medicine or politics?

        It’s because Asians are not black. And other have said that SWPL White females feel threatened by attractive, feminine Asian women.

        Some of my Best Friends are Black

        September 1, 2019 at 3:30 PM

      • This is why East Asians, along with Jews and Subcons, are the natural allies of White centrists.

        If the liberals and conservatives equally hate someone, then they make a strategic ally of mine.

        SC

        September 1, 2019 at 5:40 PM

      • There should be a new business model that would draw scores of Eastern Asiatics.

        A preparatory HS for Engineering majors and Med-School bound students.

        Eastern Asiatics are the consummate students in America’s capitalistic society that discourages critical thinking skills and independent thought processes rooted in our liberal arts curriculum.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 7:05 PM

      • Thus proving once and for all that SC is pathologically foolish.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 8:14 AM

      • What would be so horrible about…

        Do you consider allowing tens of millions of people with foreign loyalties to invade our nation a smart thing to do? Or driving down American’s salaries while driving up the costs of necessities such as housing? Is that smart? No. They undermine our national security and standard of living. They make our lives worse not better.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 9:37 AM

      • I was referring to the asians already here, some for many generations and heavily assimilated. I have friends in this category and they are as american as I am.

        If only immigration could be frozen in its tracks. If trump were serious on this issue he would have ended birthright citizenship by executive order his first day in office.

        The main point of my comment was: liberals have no problem expressing hatred and contempt with broad strokes for all asians, even liberal asians! It’s almost as though in addition to having requisite pity groups, they have requisite whipping groups.

        toomanymice

        September 2, 2019 at 1:40 PM

      • “I was referring to the asians already here, some for many generations and heavily assimilated.”

        The overwhelming majority of asians in America are foreign born immigrants. That’s hardly “many generations and heavily assimilated”.

        “I have friends in this category and they are as american as I am.”

        Your father was from Argentina and your husband is Dominican. I don’t dislike you or anything. But you’re not very American, either.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 3:41 PM

    • I can’t wait for the day that our Asian overlords take over the country. I haven’t done too well under the whites, I don’t think that I will do worse under the Asians.

      Daniel H

      September 1, 2019 at 5:47 PM

      • You might want to discuss this with the Tibetans, Mongolians and Uighurs first. Taiwan and Hong Kong don’t seem too eager to be under the thumb of their co-ethnics, either. Maybe they know something you don’t? And India’s government has just gone full-bore fascist by stripping millions of citizenship. Don’t get me wrong. America should do that, too. But, if you have any sense, you won’t let countries like those plant colonies in your country.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 9:44 AM

      • I haven’t done too well under the whites…

        You will cease to exist under the next overlords.

        bomag

        September 2, 2019 at 8:44 PM

    • I’ve been saying this for the last few years. All of the FAANG companies (Google, FB, Amazon, Netflix, etc) are mostly staffed by asians. All of those stock gains we have seen in the last decade have gone to foreigners. But I never see anyone mention it, its an invisible phenomenon of money flows. This wealth is ballooning, these people will have real political power in 20 years once that 5 million they made at google turns into 15 and 20 million. This country is going to be an odd place

      slave

      September 2, 2019 at 12:31 AM

    • I thought that Chinese & Koreans* were only 5 IQ points higher and that was only in STEM.

      The West Coast (both Canada & the US) has had a few of them dating from the 19th century. A restrictive law specially aimed at them was eventually passed in Canada (likely US too).

      By the time I entered university (1969) the group descended from the ones from the 19th century was noticeable. I majored in a STEM field and there were both Asian students and profs. (And the 19th group wasn’t large),

      They were completely assimilated. I met lots when I started working too. I had no trouble working with them.

      I do think that recently in Canada they’ve brought in too many too fast. There are about half a million in Greater Vancouver. I heard that there are a huge number in the universities.

      (For some or other, no immigrants like Vancouver Island and greater Victoria – where I live – remains a whitetopia),

      Still, I figure they’re better than the Muslim Pakistanis in the UK, they are over represented in the prisons.

      I don’t think that Paks and Indians have higher IQs than whites. About the same, I’d guess. Being Muslim somehow seems to lower the IQ and make you more likely to end up in prison. Muslims are big trouble no matter where they’re from.

      The Sikhs & Hindus in the UK aren’t a particular problem.

      Frau Katze

      September 2, 2019 at 10:19 AM

      • It’s not the Islam. It’s the inbreeding.

        If a Swede converted to Islam, would it magically lower his IQ?

        Pakistanis are messed up because they can’t see the risks in people marrying their 1st cousin for 50 generations in a row.

        SC

        September 2, 2019 at 11:53 AM

      • @SC I think the stupid are more likely to convert, so I’d wonder about the Swede.

        Especially if he was a prison convert. Prison conversion is big. Only those with an affiliation with another powerful gang are safe. Muslims are taught to convert everyone they can.

        Once a certain fraction of a population converts, it becomes more common and less of an indicator.

        There was a Canadian pair who converted and were planning to set a bomb off on July 1 (national holiday) to maximize the kills.

        The man’s only interest in Islam was its sanction of violence in a wide range of scenarios (“They’re kuffar”, etc).

        Frau Katze

        September 2, 2019 at 1:56 PM

      • I think it does actually lower IQ even if it doesn’t change genetics.

        If you take twins separated at birth, and one of them is fed a healthy diet, while the other is malnourished, the malnourished one will grow up to be shorter and have lower IQ, even though both twins have the exact same genetics.

        If you take another set of twins, and send one of them to a yeshiva while the other one goes to a madrassa, the one who gets the Islamic education will come out much less capable of engaging in rational inquiry and critical thinking.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 3, 2019 at 12:01 PM

      • I think there’s a wide range in Indian IQ. Seems to me like the different castes are almost different races. Higher caste Indians probably have IQs well above the white average, seems to me.

        Jilla

        September 9, 2019 at 10:47 AM

      • DEfinitely not “well above” the white average.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 9, 2019 at 10:57 AM

      • A society such as India with its caste system in our 21st world is a signifier of low IQ. Countries that are mired in religiosity and antiquated social norms like cousin marriages are indeed lower IQ.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 9, 2019 at 12:10 PM

    • uman, you sound like every proud person from country X who moved to here to escape country X. Yes in 20 years this neighborhood will look exactly like the one you moved from country X to escape. Will I be upset about that? Wrong question. You should worry about what you will do when your predicted future happens.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 3, 2019 at 1:04 PM

      • @MoresigmasThanYou …well I’ll be part of that 20%, so i’m not worried :).. But all kidding aside, I don’t think the democratic party that changed immigration rules thought of these consequences..

        Outside the jewish immigrants that came in the 1890s-1920s, no immigrant group has climbed up educational ladder this rapidly. Its not fair to put all asians in one bucket because Koreans, Chinese and Indians, Laotians have very little in common and i don’t see them forging together to create a strong group like the jews.

        My predicted future is nothing will change – Asians will completely assimilate into American societey, ie white society. Intermarriage rate is almost 30-50% by 2nd generation. I think it will be good for the country overall. But Lion’s readers today won’t like it and that kind puts a smile on my face.. 🙂 And not because I don’t appreciate their opinions or can’t empathize with their views. Its more that they don’t see the big picture…

        uman

        September 3, 2019 at 11:19 PM

      • “I don’t think the democratic party that changed immigration rules thought of these consequences..”

        Of course not. So many people within Lyndon Johnson’s own party were convinced he was destroying America, that he chose not to seek re-election. Ironically Johnson’s decisions which had immediate consequences garnered all the attention and people ignored the most damaging thing he did, which was signing the Hart–Celler Act into law.

        Some groups of Asians will integrate. Other groups of people haven’t even integrated with each other in their own countries. The 2002 Gujarat riots left between 1,044 and 1,926 people dead. Compare that to the 1992 L.A. riots which only killed between 54 and 63 people. Indians in India have been balkanized for thousands of years. Putting them into a giant nation state did not and will not change that.

        India and Pakistan used to be dozens of countries, then they were one country, now they’re two countries which have fought four small wars against each other in the last eighty years. They also have a very small but non-zero chance of fighting a nuclear war some time in the next year. That’s not a desirable position to be in as a nation.

        In India, there are people who have never been to Pakistan, but still root for Pakistan when a Pakistani national sports team plays against an Indian one. There are groups of people in America today who root against the American national team when that team plays a foreign team in a sporting event. That would have been unimaginable in the time of my father, and even unimaginable in the small town I grew up in. I see it as a sign that America is decaying as a nation.

        People who stress the value of working hard and conforming to social norms while not drawing attention to oneself are not going to destroy America. However, there numerous groups which focus on maintaining their own group identity and fighting for resources of all kinds with other groups located in the same society.

        One of these groups is essentially domestic. That would be the one we call SJWs. If America only had people whose four grandparents were all born in America, the SJWs in their current form could not have power. They would have to tone down their message and reverse their positons back to 1963 levels. Now, because the U.S. is already partially balkanized, the SJWs effectively lead an overt anti-American coalition.

        Some ethnic groups, Koreans for example, have no interest in being part of an anti-American coalition, and will simply vote for any party that holds sway and demonstrates social proof in the area where they live. Other groups may hate America to one degree or another, and I don’t say that lightly, but they also hate each other.

        Chinese have no love for Indians. Filipinos have no love for Chinese. Cambodians used to hate the Chinese, but they killed the last Chinese person in Cambodia some time in the 70s. Mexicans have no love for blacks. Africans also don’t like blacks (as confusing as that may sound). And while you may not be able to tell them apart, nobody in Asia trusts Japanese except the Japanese themselves.

        Through intersectionalism, SJWs want to turn the Democratic party of America into what the Northern Alliance was for Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance was a coalition of every warlord and guerilla who was in Afghanistan and not part of the Taliban. SJWs want the Democratic party to be a coalition of everyone who isn’t a white male contributing member of society, and they want to use the Democratic party against everyone who is.

        The SJW end game is not well thought out. If the Northern Alliance had ever completely defeated the Taliban, the civil war wouldn’t have skipped a beat, as the warlords would have immediately turned on each other, and of course they all knew that. What would happen if SJWs got their way and fully empowered all the groups deemed most dangerous to the so called white male patriarchy? Well, on the first day after the glorious victory, the radical Islamists would try to figure out if they had enough power to start executing gays.

        Now let’s go back to my previous question: what will you will do when the predicted future happens?

        You want to quietly and efficiently do your job while reaping the rewards of all those years of studying hard and following the rules? Somebody’s going to notice that you’re “acting white” (even though you’re really acting Asian). Somebody’s also going to notice that you have more stuff than they do; which must be because you cheated them out of it, even if they can’t figure out exactly how.

        Getting blamed for other people’s problems is something that happens to every successful ethnic group surrounded by less successful ethnic groups. I mentioned a few of those groups: Koreans in South Central L.A., Chinese in Cambodia, of course there are also the whites in Zimbabwe, someone’s going to mention the Jews in Germany, and then there’s you. That’s the future you envision for yourself, being part of a successful minority maintaining a decaying society, while simultaneously getting blamed for all its problems. That’s the big picture.

        What will you will do when the predicted future happens? The Lion is so old he won’t see the worst parts of the fall of America, but what will you do?

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 4, 2019 at 4:27 PM

      • “The Lion is so old…”

        Thank you for making me feel old.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 4, 2019 at 4:44 PM

      • Sorry Puddleglum, I thought you might take solace in the fact that you’ll be dead before America turns into a third world country.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 4, 2019 at 5:03 PM

      • @Moresigmasthanyou.. I’m not sure how old you are but let me give you some insight on fancy asians (Chinese,Korean, jap, maybe vietnamese),+ Indians in the 15 to 35 age range. All they want to do is get a good job, status and fuck attractive people of the opposite sex. That’s it. That’s the whole story. I’m not talking about people who become history majors and SJWs. Yes there are a few, but they are a minority within this subgroup.

        Uman

        September 5, 2019 at 12:39 AM

      • “… And not because I don’t appreciate their opinions or can’t empathize with their views. Its more that they don’t see the big picture…”

        What exactly is this big picture you are referring to?

        Mike Street Station

        September 7, 2019 at 8:04 AM

  3. Asians and all other immigrants have gotten sucked into a game they didn’t intend on playing. They fell for all the marketing shit and left their native lands for America and didn’t understand that this place is a racial cauldron.

    They’ll just have to put up with their decisions. We had no choice in the matter.

    “Or if they were, they didn’t talk about it.”

    Of course they do.

    ” And in fact, the type of elites who attend Ivy League schools don’t talk about their elite backgrounds if they can help it.”

    Lion fucking get a clue. The elites don’t come out and say, “My dad’s rich.” They drop a million clues that tell their acquaintances who and what they are. And if you get the clues you are in.

    gothamette

    September 1, 2019 at 11:48 AM

    • I know that now, but I was a clueless prole kid back then.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2019 at 1:26 PM

      • You never heard of Regis or Xavier HS in Manhattan when you were growing up?

        However, I can’t think of any elite HS just for secular Jewish kids. They are non-existent.

        To be fair, the likelihood of guido families from Staten Island sending their kids to elite private Catholic institutions is very slim, so yes, proles tend to be clueless. Then there’s the hefty price tag, which many proles do not want to pay.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 2:43 PM

      • Do you ever just admit that you write something wrong?

        “And in fact, the type of elites who attend Ivy League schools don’t talk about their elite backgrounds if they can help it.”

        You wrote that as if it’s a Lion truism, and it’s wrong, so just admit it and move along. Rich kids tell you they are rich in a million different ways. Mostly by not befriending you.

        gothamette

        September 1, 2019 at 5:03 PM

      • That’s not exactly how it works. Rich kids aren’t consciously trying to avoid having poor friends.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 1, 2019 at 5:42 PM

      • It IS how it works.

        But the point is, you simply misspoke.

        gothamette

        September 1, 2019 at 6:58 PM

      • “I know that now, but I was a clueless prole kid back then.”

        Well they weren’t. Rich kids know who is and who isn’t.

        Besides, don’t you believe that females are basically predatory bloodsuckers who can determine a guy’s wealth in 10 seconds? I thought you did.

        gothamette

        September 1, 2019 at 7:19 PM

      • Catholic schools (Regis, Xavier) are categorically not elite and there are plenty of Jewish day schools on their level academically.

        Harmony Pax

        September 1, 2019 at 9:15 PM

      • “Catholic schools (Regis, Xavier) are categorically not elite and there are plenty of Jewish day schools on their level academically”

        Well, Regis is located on the Upper East Side and it is definitely considered one of the top 10 private HS in NYC.

        Xavier, not so much, but it costs almost $20K per year to attend. Makes sense from a LoftB viewpoint, where well to do families pay a premium price so their kid (son in this case) can avoid unsavory NAMs and proles at the public schools, who exhibit bad behaviors and screw up the learning environment.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 9:48 PM

      • “Xavier, not so much, but it costs almost $20K per year to attend”

        A little off-topic, but in the relatively inexpensive flyover city I call home, $20K/yr tuition is pretty cheap for a top tier private school. Is that really considered expensive in NYC?

        TWBC

        September 2, 2019 at 7:11 AM

    • “the type of elites who attend Ivy League schools don’t talk about their elite backgrounds“

      The richest two guys from my prep school went to second tier schools. One, from one of America’s wealthiest families (>$25 billion between the heirs), went to U of Denver the other at $1/2 billion attended USC. We had at least two kids of professionals who became billionaires but they didn’t start with it.

      Johnson & Johnson heirs weren’t Ivy scholars. Harvard had to admit John John. Where did the Walton heirs go?

      Curle

      September 1, 2019 at 9:57 PM

      • “Harvard had to admit John John.”

        Really? I doubt it. He ended up at Brown.

        Simon

        September 2, 2019 at 1:01 PM

      • An Ivy League school admitting someone like John John has less to do with preferential treatment for John John and more to do with the school’s own self-interest. A school has a LOT to gain from admitting someone from such a famous and influential family. I don’t know what his scores were but I guarantee mine were a lot higher. Regardless of what I’ve accomplished in my life, he was still the safer bet for the school at the time.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 6:23 PM

      • Maybe he meant Ted who was expelled in a cheating scandal but readmitted graduating at 24. Couldn’t get into HLS though. They’d had enough.

        gothamette

        September 2, 2019 at 6:45 PM

    • “They fell for all the marketing shit and left their native lands for America and didn’t understand that this place is a racial cauldron.”

      It is, isn’t it.

      America has become the thing liberals accused it of always being: an ugly, racist, money-driven monstrosity. But it has become this way mostly (not solely) because of what we understand as “liberalism.”

      Perhaps the American experiment was always a Babel that deserved to fall.

      fakeemail

      September 2, 2019 at 12:05 AM

      • “Perhaps the American experiment was always a Babel that deserved to fall.”

        I prefer not to think that way.

        Here’s what I do think: Americans have never liked to toil by the sweat of their brow, so we import cheap labor. But, cheap labor isn’t cheap.

        gothamette

        September 2, 2019 at 8:41 AM

      • “so we import cheap labor. But, cheap labor”

        WE’VE never done anything of the sort. I believe if you take a close look you’ll see that wide open immigration has always been pushed by the elites, opposed by the proles and barely tolerated by the middles. Even Samuel Clements was a No Nothing.

        Curle

        September 2, 2019 at 11:12 PM

      • Know Nothing

        Curle

        September 2, 2019 at 11:43 PM

    • It’s not bad for them in Canada. There is no affirmative action here (there is a bit for native Indians, but they have such problems with alcohol that they are not over presented in the universities).

      So there are very large numbers of Chinese & Koreans in the universities. There is nothing to restrict them.

      Frau Katze

      September 2, 2019 at 10:34 AM

      • This could go on until Canada is majority Chinese!

        gothamette

        September 2, 2019 at 6:46 PM

      • @Gothamette “This could go on until Canada is majority Chinese.”

        It could. Since, unlike some Muslims and certain ethnicities, they are rarely in the news due to being Chinese. So you don’t think about them.

        I was surprised to learn there were another half million in Toronto. I had to Google around to find the data.

        And there are quite few in NYC too. And likely everywhere else in the US.

        The US is a bigger prize, but Canada is a good intermediate location. I’ve actually read about this scenario: those with top marks in a given province (that info is actually tracked) have no problem getting into top US grad schools.

        Frau Katze

        September 2, 2019 at 9:25 PM

      • You don’t realize how Chinese Toronto and Vancouver have become because you don’t get out of your neighborhood. I went to Vaughan Mills about a year ago. I was amazed at how few whites I saw (in Canada of all places). Also I noticed that your immigrant population seemed to be 100% Sikh or Han Chinese, with basically zero blacks or Hispanics.

        The Canadian government intentionally fiddles with its demographics figures so that you can’t tell what’s happening to the country, and thereby you don’t have ammunition to make an issue of it. On a different note, I’d be surprised if the Canadian approach to foreigners in the Universities isn’t the same as the American approach. Locals can get financial aid, but people from oversees pay in cash up front.

        The biggest shocker for me when going to Vaughan Mills was the level of discourteous driving and horn use in the parking lot. While Canadian-Canadians are amazingly polite, the new Canadians would be totally at home driving in Staten Island and honking their horns at other drivers for such offenses as ‘slowly backing out of a parking space’, ‘making a left hand turn’. or ‘yielding a right of way’.

        “This could go on until Canada is majority Chinese!”

        China’s population is 37 times larger than the population of Canada, so it wouldn’t really be surprising.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM

      • @Moresigmas I agree that I don’t see many immigrants here on Vancouver Island. You must take a ferry to get here. Takes 1.5 hours sailing time, with more time to drive into town. It’s not cheap either.

        But there are some. They might be from the 19th century group.

        Yes, we have lots of Sikhs here. One area they like: farming.

        And yes, same as US for fees, much higher for foreigners. But earning a degree here puts the person on a citizenship track. Not sure if that holds for the US. Wasn’t that whole dreamer thing about kids with university degrees?

        There are other ethnicities but not as many. Filipino women come on special visas allowing them to be housekeepers and babysitters for well to do citizens, If they do a certain number of years with no problems they are on track to citizenship too.

        I’m glad that no Muslim Filipino man who ever let his wife or daughter do such a thing. Only Christian Filipinos taking this route.

        Frau Katze

        September 5, 2019 at 1:31 AM

  4. When you say you were ignorant of high schools “better” than Stuy and BS, do you mean in the sense that you’d get to hobnob with kids from richer families who had connections, or do you mean that the schools themselves had something more to offer?

    Vipltd

    September 1, 2019 at 12:15 PM

    • The private schools are definitely better. Not just for the connections.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2019 at 1:27 PM

      • It has shown that NAMs and proles don’t really benefit from the “connections” from the elite institutions where the majority of its participants are upper class with all sorts of privilege.

        Furthermore, why does society believe only elite spaces are worthy? There’s a degeneration of the middle class, which is more of a problem.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 1:37 PM

      • There’s a reason that they get the Stuy people when they actually want to get something done. These private school educations don’t cover practical matters. Math, science, how a radio works, creative accounting, finding bread, skinning cats. You’ll be prepared with lots of bullshittium for an inherited position of power, but if you don’t have that position, you might as well prepare for being a foot soldier in intra-elite conflicts. At the end of the day, that’s what the author is too. That’s why he identifies with the white upper-middle class and “professionals”.

        You dwell too much on the past. You should make a spawn and prepare for the next round in the game. Every generation is a new chance to climb the ranks.

        Monsieur le Baron

        September 1, 2019 at 3:38 PM

      • “It has shown that NAMs and proles don’t really benefit from the “connections” from the elite institutions where the majority of its participants are upper class“

        Are you lumping professionals in the upper classes?

        Obama? Steve Case ( father a lawyer)? Hillary and Bill? Jeffrey Epstein? Zuckerburg?

        Curle

        September 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM

      • How do inner city NAMs and tree shrub proles take advantage at Harvard (the elites at this school are responsible for the demise of their respective group)?

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 11:35 PM

  5. Lots of hand-wringing over what is fair; example of what is to come in our multicultural society: battles over scarce status-signalling goods.

    Author was pissed at Alex, the high school student, for acting like he had things more important than a NYT interview.

    Interesting to note the immigrant dynamic in the article: refugee type immigrant is very grateful to find their way to America; soon gains some acclimation; starts to agitate for more representation in college, the courts, the workplace; etc. Ends up being a way to recreate the old country, and everyone starts to wonder what happened to the nice things.

    bomag

    September 1, 2019 at 12:38 PM

    • Alex didn’t ask to be born here, not his fault.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2019 at 1:29 PM

      • I was thinking of Yukong Zhao, and those behind the Students for Fair Admissions.

        bomag

        September 1, 2019 at 4:56 PM

    • More non-white immigration in America signifies a supply and demand for positional goods, where the supply is limited and demand exceeds the supply.

      If all neighborhoods were free of riff raff, we wouldn’t have pricey real estate in certain neighborhoods (a positional good) with their respective good schools (another form of positional goods) for the kids of the families who could afford to live in them.

      It’s a capitalistic ploy like other value transference schemes. Those who has the rights of transference are the ones who also set these market conditions.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      September 1, 2019 at 11:50 PM

      • Have to say I respect the Mongoloids for standing up for themselves & not GAF bout all the trendy isms of tptb. Just wish my own White race weren’t such a yellow!bellied pusses about standing up for their rights!

        Oh no, the ad agencies say dindus are cool badasses. Best abandon all my reason, interests, solidarity yo appear cool to him!!!

        David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

        September 2, 2019 at 10:04 AM

  6. This article of wsj from 2008 gave a ranking of feeders to top 8 national universities and liberal art college :

    Stuyvesant is far from being badly ranked. Better in fact that two of the three schools you have cited

    https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-COLLEGE0711-sort.html

    Bruno

    September 1, 2019 at 12:51 PM

    • Part of it has to do with size. There are a LOT of students at Stuy.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2019 at 1:30 PM

      • Yes Stuy had 10% of its students admitted whereas Horace is at 7% (that’s 50% more). The ranking is on % admitted from the high school class.

        In absolute terms, Stuy is number one with 67. Number two is Andover with 52 and number three Exeter with 47. Those two are far better in terms of sucess rate than Stuy at 16% and 15%.

        The three sisters school in NY (Collegiate, Brearley and Chapin) are above all others because they get 38 students out of 159, that’s a 24% rate.

        The famous NY hunter college, which is the most selective school in the USA, is just above Stuy but under Andover and Exeter and far under those three schools with 24 admits out of 177 students (that’s a bit less than 14%).

        It may have changed in 10 years …. for example T Jefferson in Virginia is proéminent .

        Bruno

        September 1, 2019 at 4:48 PM

  7. That’s something his parents would have to know about

    In the late ’70s – early ’80s, my middle-middle class parents were clueless about the benefits of elite education (nor would they have supported my own financing for it). They just wanted me to avoid unemployment, blue collar work, or the military; go to college and get a degree. Didn’t matter what college or what degree. SAT prep and extracurricular activities were not even thought of.

    E. Rekshun

    September 1, 2019 at 3:27 PM

    • Same. I imagine that’s typical so the parents who actually know enough to steer their kids through the right hoops can make a big difference.

      Mike Street Station

      September 2, 2019 at 9:06 AM

    • The elite education rat race was definitely a thing in the ’70s and ’80s in NYC among both black and white middle-middle to upper middle class people. I know this because my friend was born in the late ’40s and his African American parents were putting him into white school districts through the gifted testing program because they believed the Harlem schools were bad.

      People got their kids tested at age 4 for gifted classes. These were not Asians. If it was linked to Asian culture than Hawaii would be a hotbed of elite education. This is linked to the screwy culture of NYC.

      Harmony Pax

      September 5, 2019 at 10:54 PM

  8. “top out of sight”

    bob sykes

    September 1, 2019 at 3:33 PM

  9. Funny how the libs’ concerns switched from “minorities” to “underrepresented minorities.” Asians might as well be white for all they care.

    Brendan

    September 1, 2019 at 3:49 PM

    • That’s why we use the NAM acronym.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2019 at 5:36 PM

    • Right. Hispanics and Blacks are very large groups. Asians and Jews are actually small minorities, but since they are competent and not criminals, they don’t count as “minorities.”

      not too late

      September 1, 2019 at 6:55 PM

      • Eastern Asiatics and Jews are at a very different junction with their respective groups. Jews dominate academically on both the student and professional level, but not as much of the hard sciences as previous. Eastern Asiatics are just good students with a knack for learning hardcore STEM, and they make terrific workers with things that both Jews and White gentiles wouldn’t embark (too boring and low status).

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 10:13 PM

      • They’re not small minorities the higher you go in American society. In fact, if you’re UMC or UC, Jews, East Asians, and Subcons are the only minorities you will meet on a daily basis. I can go weeks on end without seeing a black or hispanic person in real life.

        SC

        September 2, 2019 at 8:01 AM

      • I hear jews say they’re a minority all the time. Then they turn around and say they’re white. If jews are white then how in the hell are they a “minority”??? When one figures this out then they’ve finally answered the “jewish question”.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 8:47 AM

      • I never heard Jews say they are minority, and I know a lot of Jews. Maybe you only “hear” Jews say this on anti-Semitic forums like Stormfront.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2019 at 9:22 AM

      • I’ve heard YOU say it on THIS blog in just the past year or so.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 9:52 AM

      • The only Jews that claim a minority status are the hasidim in Williamsburg, but their efforts have failed to move the courts.

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.jta.org/1980/04/17/archive/u-s-rules-hasidim-not-disadvantaged-as-group-but-individuals-may-get-aid/amp

        The Jews are a religious and ethnic group, but they are not disadvantaged in any way to have a priviledged minority status.

        Yakov

        September 2, 2019 at 3:44 PM

      • “I hear jews say they’re a minority all the time. Then they turn around and say they’re white. If jews are white then how in the hell are they a “minority”??? When one figures this out then they’ve finally answered the “jewish question”.”

        It depends what the context is.

        In the context of Christian America, yeah, we’re a minority.

        In the context of the black/white dichotomy, most of us are white. There’s this whole “Jews of color” thing in the intense, inward-looking Jewish society that mostly exists on the internet and is obsessively covered by alt-right blogs, but the vast majority of Jews have nothing to do with that and don’t even know it exists. (Read further.)

        In the same swamp they debate endlessly whether even Ashkenazi Jews, who are ridiculously white, are white.

        I have a Jewish friend who is such a normie it’s literally unbelievable. I told her about the debate as to whether A-Jews are white and she looked at me as if I was speaking Martian and said, “Really? I never heard of that.” She really had not.

        gothamette

        September 2, 2019 at 6:50 PM

      • “In the context of Christian America, yeah, we’re a minority.”

        Are you kidding? Religion does NOT make someone a minority in America. The idea that Catholics, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Amish, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, Pentecostals, Baptists, Eastern Orthodox, etc have more in common with each other than you is absurd. And, from the other side, do you honestly feel you have something in common with Hasidics? You’ve got about as much in common with them as I do the Amish.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 10:00 PM

      • Jews are a religious minority. All those other things you mentions are Christians.

        But normally, when people say “minority” they mean a racial minority, and no Jews that I know personally consider themselves a racial minority.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2019 at 11:14 PM

      • “Jews are a religious minority.”

        People who play the trombone are a minority. It’s meaningless.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 11:41 PM

      • “Are you kidding? Religion does NOT make someone a minority in America.”

        Great. I’ll explain that the next hundred times I hear someone called “racist against Muslims”

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 3, 2019 at 12:34 PM

      • “I never heard Jews say they are minority, and I know a lot of Jews. Maybe you only “hear” Jews say this on anti-Semitic forums like Stormfront.”

        Guess you never went to an ACLU meeting or subscribed to their mailing list. Jews are a “religious minority”, or a “minority” for short. Yes the Stormfront crowd is big on pointing out people who are proud to be Jewish but ashamed to be your fellow white. However, these people are not simply agitprop, I have met such people in person.

        While there are more and more Jews turning against Israel, there are also plenty who want closed borders for Israel, and open borders for the United States. Again, these are not just boogey men created by Stormfront, they are real people who I have met in person. The stated reasons why a different set of rules need to apply to Jews vs. Goyim involves the word “minority”, however that word needs to be construed.

        Yes, you don’t do that, but there are lots of people in the New York metropolitan area who do. I’m just saying.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 3, 2019 at 12:58 PM

      • Once again, of course Jews are a RELIGIOUS minority in the U.S., and you have to be insanely anti-Semitic to deny that’s true.

        But Jews aren’t considered minorities for race or for affirmative action.

        But how can you be racist against Muslims if Muslims are a religion? Besides liberals and SWJs just being very stupid, I guess because most Muslims have a dark complexion. In contrast, Ashkenazi Jews are often very pale.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2019 at 1:01 PM

      • “and you have to be insanely anti-Semitic to deny that’s true.”

        Yeah. Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is anti-semitic. ಠ_ಠ

        destructure

        September 3, 2019 at 4:51 PM

      • That’s correct on this issue, stop being anti-Semitic and hating the Jews just because a few Jews, who don’t in any way speak for all Jews or are Jewish in their personal lives, happen to be big-time liberals, while ignoring all the big-time gentile liberals like Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren (who is native American and not Jewish).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2019 at 5:03 PM

      • “All those other things you mentions are Christians.”

        All those denominations I mentioned are unique and independent. If you want to play the minority game, then they’re just as much of a minority as jews are. You just want to lump them altogether. But they certainly don’t lump themselves together. Or one could just as easily lump jews in with them since they all use the same old testament. In other words, the only thing that makes jews different in your mind is that you view jews differently.

        destructure

        September 3, 2019 at 5:07 PM

      • Jews don’t believe in Jesus, all those Christian sects believe in Jesus. If you can’t figure that out…

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2019 at 7:18 PM

      • Saying jews aren’t a minority is anti-semitism?!!!! I honestly don’t see why you’re so obsessed with being a minority. You’re not even religious. So what does it even matter to you if someone doesn’t think jews are a religious minority?

        As for the rest, I didn’t even mention liberals — jewish or otherwise — in this discussion. And I don’t think anyone in their right mind can accuse me of having ignored gentile liberals. I spent months mocking John McCain’s “brain rot” as he died of brain cancer. I was pretty mean about it. I spiked the football when Bush (41) died, too. Maybe you should be a little less neurotic?

        destructure

        September 3, 2019 at 5:22 PM

      • Jews are a religious minority, what’s so complicated about it?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2019 at 7:19 PM

      • ““In the context of Christian America, yeah, we’re a minority.”

        Are you kidding? Religion does NOT make someone a minority in America. The idea that Catholics, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Amish, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, Pentecostals, Baptists, Eastern Orthodox, etc have more in common with each other than you is absurd. And, from the other side, do you honestly feel you have something in common with Hasidics? You’ve got about as much in common with them as I do the Amish.”

        I should hope that different Christian sects think they have a lot in common with each other, and little in common with atheist but ethnic Jew. They wouldn’t care about your ethnicity only your atheism.

        I could be wrong though. If you grow up in an atheist home you don’t have as good a feel for it. You have not been brought up discussing such things.

        Even similar sects like Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox are not “in communion.” That means that a Catholic visiting an Orthodox Church cannot take communion. And vice versa.

        I think the atheist household puts you in a mindset that this is ridiculous. In my case it is. (slightly OT).

        Frau Katze

        September 3, 2019 at 8:14 PM

      • “Jews don’t believe in Jesus, all those Christian sects believe in Jesus. If you can’t figure that out…”

        Don’t be so sure. I used to know a messianic jew. That’s all he ever talked about whether you wanted to hear it or not. One day he was talking about religion (as he always did) and I asked him how long he’d been a christian. He got very serious and said, “I’m not a christian. I’m a saved jew.” I never made that mistake again. haha He was nice enough, though.

        destructure

        September 3, 2019 at 8:43 PM

      • Any rabbi will tell you that “messianic Jews” are Christian and not Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2019 at 9:30 PM

      • That’s what I thought, too. But, apparently, some jews say they’re atheist. If a jew can be atheist then I don’t see why they can’t be messianic, too.

        destructure

        September 3, 2019 at 9:56 PM

      • Atheism isn’t considered a religion. If a Jew adopts the belief of another religion, like believing in Christ, then they stop being Jewish.

        If you don’t believe me, ask a rabbi.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2019 at 11:24 PM

      • I don’t understand how secular, reform or conservative Jews can be considered a minority. They intermarry with the gentiles and their ‘rabbies’ officiate at the weddings together with Christian ministers. These ‘rabbies’ marry homos and trannies too. How are they different from the Christian denominations? Amish and Orthodox Jews are minorities though.

        Yakov

        September 3, 2019 at 11:14 PM

      • ‘Any rabbi will tell you that “messianic Jews” are Christian and not Jewish.’

        I would check that with your mother’s rabbi. If they ‘convert’ gentiles, who observe nothing and keep nothing, why would a messianic Jew not be a Jew in their books? They are proud of how inclusive they are.

        Yakov

        September 3, 2019 at 11:18 PM

      • Shame on you. Are you really an orthodox Jew or are you just playing one on the internet. Messianic “Jews” believe in Jesus, which makes them Christian and not Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2019 at 11:28 PM

      • “Don’t be so sure. I used to know a messianic jew.”

        These fake Jewish congregations are cropping up all over the place.

        https://www.messianiccovenant.com/united-states/washington

        I know a gentile prole, a real Civic Nationalist/ Declarationist/ ‘Ds Are the Real Racists’/Ben Shapiro-Jonah Goldberg believing kinda guy, who joined one. Totally anti-Trump. Thinks black culture causes IQ gaps. Thinks he’s Jewish. Teaching his kid Hebrew. Headed out to see the eclipse in Oregon a year or so ago thinking it was some sort of sign predicted by Jewish tradition. Maybe it was, I wouldn’t know.

        Curle

        September 3, 2019 at 11:31 PM

      • All I said was that you should check with your mother’s rabbi. I just did the checking and amazingly enough neither reformed nor conservative consider messianic Jews as Jews. This is completely irrational though. Think: if you eat a ham sandwich and violate every commandment that you find inconviniet, what covenant with G-d do you have? According to their logic they aren’t Jews either. And indeed they are only in an ethnic but not religious sense.

        I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but do you understand that your outrage against the Messiamic Jews is completely irrational?

        Yakov

        September 3, 2019 at 11:44 PM

      • I’m outraged against a commenter, not a group of Jew-friendly Christians.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 4, 2019 at 7:18 AM

      • “I should hope that different Christian sects think they have a lot in common with each other”

        My impression is that more than a few people from different denominations tend to be somewhat prejudiced against one another even if they won’t admit it.

        destructure

        September 4, 2019 at 12:29 AM

      • ‘I’m outraged against a commenter, not a group of Jew-friendly Christians.’

        Messianic Jews are enemies of the Jewish people, please….

        Destructure, Jews view themselves as both a nation and a religion. Regardless of what anyone else thinks, this is how the Jewish Law sees it. Conversion puts one outside the fold. Publically violating the Sabbath, for example, gives one the legal status of a Gentile regarding numerous situations, but the person is still Jewish. Lion is Jewish, but his cooking is forbidden. All this doesn’t make much sense outside of the Orhodox framework. But identity isn’t rational. Lion can beleive that Jews aren’t a nation, consider himself an atheist and a rational person and claim to be Jewish. It’s absurd for him to beleive so, but he is right about it.

        Yakov

        September 4, 2019 at 9:23 AM

      • Judaism, the religion, sucks, but anti-Semites on the alt-Right only see Joo if someone is even remotely Jewish and say “all Joos the enemy”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 4, 2019 at 10:14 AM

      • but anti-Semites on the alt-Right only see Joo if someone is even remotely Jewish and say “all Joos the enemy”

        I said “jews aren’t a minority” and you heard “all Joos are the enemy”. Get your hearing checked, buddy.

        destructure

        September 4, 2019 at 10:31 AM

      • I never “hear” anything when I’m reading. Do you?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 4, 2019 at 11:06 AM

      • In other countries, minority status might be a matter of religion. But not in America. In America, it’s mostly a matter of race. In America, one’s views on homos, climate change and Trump are an even bigger issue than religion. So, while people may be religious, it has about as much bearing on their being a minority as their being left-handed or playing the trombone.

        Yakov says that amish and orthodox jews are minorities. I’m undecided but can see his argument because it’s a major focus of their lives. Regardless, most jews aren’t orthodox. And there’s nothing about atheist, secular, reform, conservative, etc that would even remotely qualify them as a “minority”. Your not being a christian doesn’t make you any more of a minority than my not being a christian does.

        destructure

        September 4, 2019 at 11:32 AM

      • “Once again, of course Jews are a RELIGIOUS minority in the U.S.,”

        My bad. I didn’t read what you wrote carefully enough.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 4, 2019 at 5:30 PM

      • “Shame on you. Are you really an orthodox Jew or are you just playing one on the internet. Messianic “Jews” believe in Jesus, which makes them Christian and not Jewish”

        It’s not just the Internet. He dresses and cuts his hair like an orthodox Jew in real life (no stalker).

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 4, 2019 at 5:32 PM

      • Okay, I’ll weigh in. I grew up in ‘evangelical Christian’ circles, and they really loved this fake Messianic Jew thing. I mean it got them really charged up. Dudes dressing up in Jew-drag and blowing ram-horn-trumpets to open up Promise Keepers events, all that stuff. I don’t think anybody who is converting from non-Abrahamic religions to ‘Messianic Jew’ is really a Jew. Nor do I think that people converting from mainstream Christianity to ‘Messianic Jew’ are really Jews. I think if you started learning Hebrew after you became a ‘Messianic Jew’, you’re not really a Jew. Following Jewish law is just too hard. No one who thinks of it as 100% optional is going to put in all that work.

        It would be as silly as me converting to being ‘Russian’ now that we are all Russian Bots.

        That being said, I think it is possible to be a Jew and a Christian at the same time. Certainly there were people doing this in the first century, and there may be someone doing it today. I just can’t cite a specific modern example. Maybe no one is doing it, but I believe it is possible.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 4, 2019 at 5:48 PM

      • I never thought much about the minority status of the Jews in America. So I decided to ask my kids what they think, we had never spoken about this subject before.
        My son said he is both a racial and a religious minority. His race is Jewish and his religion is Jewish. He doesn’t consider himself white.
        My eldest daughter, who looks Dominican, said she is white and not a monority.
        My middle daughter, which is blue eyed and is as white as they come, said she is white and isn’t a minority.
        Her hassidic husband said he is racially white and is not a racial minority. Religiously Jews are a minority, Hassidim are a minority among the Jews, but his hassidic group isn’t a minority among the Hassidim. So he isn’t sure if it makes him a minority or not. He’s gotta ask his rabbi, I guess.

        My youngest hasn’t responded yet.

        Yakov

        September 4, 2019 at 9:40 PM

      • Oh, and none of them felt underprivileged or descriminated against in any way. So being a minority for them is a mere technicality, not something that has any practical significance. And all vote for Trump, obviously.

        Yakov

        September 4, 2019 at 9:49 PM

      • Curle & More Sigmas — The messianic jew I mentioned was not a christian gentile claiming to be a messianic jew. I knew him for several years and he was ethnically jewish. Both of his parents were jewish and his last name was unmistakably jewish. He was still kosher, too. If I recall correctly, he said he didn’t have to be but chose to be.

        destructure

        September 5, 2019 at 9:31 AM

      • I hadn’t seen that guy in over ten years. So I found his FB page and, man, he’s aged. It looks like he just became a grandfather. He also has a picture in hunter orange kneeling beside a deer. Apparently, he’s a big Trump supporter, too. And, judging from his posts, he’s even more conservative than when I knew him. Good for him.

        destructure

        September 5, 2019 at 9:46 AM

      • Did anyone else notice that Leon’s first reply to my comment was “I never heard Jews say they are minority”. Yet, only a couple of comments later, he was “outraged” that I would say jews weren’t a minority. Even saying that it was “anti-semitic” and “hating jews” to say jews weren’t a minority. That’s quite a reversal!

        destructure

        September 5, 2019 at 10:31 AM

      • Jews are a RELIGIOUS minority. Why is this so difficult to understand?

        On the other hand, when people say “minority” they usually mean underprivileged non-whites, and Jews don’t consider themselves to be under-privileged non-whites, at least not in the United States in 2019.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 5, 2019 at 11:21 AM

      • Trombone players are a MUSICAL minority. Why is this so difficult to understand?

        Catholics, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Amish, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, Pentecostals, Baptists, Eastern Orthodox, etc are all religious minorities. But not in your mind because you lump them altogether to divide the world into jews and gentiles. I told you before, that’s your effed up worldview not mine. I understand things very well.

        destructure

        September 5, 2019 at 11:50 AM

  10. “In fact, I never really discovered the existence of a whole tier of schools that are way better than Stuyvesant of the Bronx High School of Science until well after I graduated college.”

    Same here. Way back when I volunteered in John Lindsay’s campaign for mayor at age 15, and for the first time met Manhattan WASPs who spoke with no outer borough accent. There was a kid about my age among the crew who told me he went to Collegiate. I wasn’t impressed because I had never heard of that school, so I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised that he wasn’t impressed by my attendance at Bronx Science either.

    a bee ee?

    September 1, 2019 at 4:53 PM

    • This sounds like my wife’s younger brother who goes to Stuyvesant. I tried to have a talk with him about college. Among his other blind spots, he was vastly overestimating the value of graduating from Stuy.

      He told us 20 kids form Stuy got into Harvard last year. We asked him how big the Stuyvesant graduating class was. He said 800. I said, so what you’re saying is that 780 kids didn’t get into Harvard. Next we asked him how his GPA and extracurriculars were compared to the top 20.

      The big shocker for him came when I said that there were high schools more elite than Stuyvesant. I think I always had some vague idea that elite private high schools existed based only on my exposure to fictional works set in such places. Not this guy. We were trying to help him with chemistry and asked if he’d ever heard of Silicon Valley. Nope. He never heard of it.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 3, 2019 at 12:31 PM

  11. Just be yourself and be happy. This status chasing is just so stupid.

    Yakov

    September 1, 2019 at 8:59 PM

    • Incidentally, these are the real Americans, not the chinese going to Harvard. olOnly a revolution and a dictatorship can save this poor country

      Yakov

      September 1, 2019 at 9:04 PM

      • Can your imaginary dictatorship take on the role of a philosopher-king as outlined by Plato, and serve as dignitary in the arts, such that our museums surrounded by our majestic parks are cleansed of the criminal element in its entirety?

        Why do our grand parks in Manhattan not immune of NAM crime such that visitors can feel completely safe when visiting Central Park or Fort Tryon Park?

        Without NAMs, Manhattan would be 99% crime free.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 1, 2019 at 11:23 PM

    • “Just be yourself and be happy. This status chasing is just so stupid.”

      What kind of American are you?

      njguy73

      September 1, 2019 at 11:22 PM

      • This type: https://youtu.be/_hR2272E1Ys

        Aren’t people not corrupted by college education a pleasure? And what a wonderful job they did.

        Yakov

        September 2, 2019 at 6:48 AM

      • What kind of American are you?

        He’s the good kind and I agree with him. Status whores are a plague.

        destructure

        September 2, 2019 at 9:02 AM

      • I was joking about how status striving so ingrained in our culture that anyone who doesn’t do it is seen as deviant.

        njguy73

        September 2, 2019 at 12:58 PM

      • Yakov,

        Granted people who work in the trades are doing value creation not value transference, but they’re still competing for status, even if it’s the kind of status that SWPLs don’t want.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 3, 2019 at 12:19 PM

      • Competition is normal and healthy. I try to do t a perfect job, obre de arte, end up doing a pretty good job and I fell that I have tons of status. But these are real things that anybody can see and touch. I’m not stopping anyone from doing their thing. A person needs to feel self-worth and the way to achieve is to be real not a phony. Then you have the right emotions, which cannot be faked, and you are happy. This is very simple. There is a Talmudic saying: אדם מכבד את מקומו, ואין מקום מכבד את האדם. It’s the individual that gives status to the position, not the position to the individual.

        Yakov

        September 3, 2019 at 8:28 PM

  12. O/t – but this story might interest Gothamette.

    The Medieval Festival that takes place at the Fort Tryon Park in upper Manhattan, needs volunteers to setup and cleanup the event which takes place at the end of the month.

    https://patch.com/new-york/washington-heights-inwood/uptowns-annual-medieval-festival-needs-volunteers

    Just to show you the cognitive dissonance in Manhattan, when it comes to its public parks, Fort Tryon is also home to the Medieval Cloister which is part of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, surrounded by a vibrant sea of NAMs (who go on a violent crime spree once in a blue moon at this park, to the shock of any unlucky tourist).

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    September 1, 2019 at 9:33 PM

    • surrounded by a vibrant sea of NAMs

      I guess if you consider Orthodox Jews to be NAMs.

      I don’t know the exact demographics, but I was up there a few years ago, and was surprised how nice the area around Fort Washington Ave and Bennett Ave was. Very clean, much nicer than I expected, and certainly much nicer than NAM neighborhoods in Brooklyn or Spanish Harlem.

      Peter Akuleyev

      September 2, 2019 at 5:26 AM

      • The park is indeed nice, but it’s in the Inwood section of Washington Heights with a lot of Dominicans, who occasionally go inside the park to commit some kind of crime.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 2, 2019 at 9:39 AM

      • Fort Tryon Park is mostly SWPL. In fact, it feels safer then the northernmost parts of Central Park.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2019 at 9:42 AM

      • There was a stabbing 2 years ago and a jogger was punched in the park.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 2, 2019 at 10:43 AM

      • You mean this? http://awalkintheparknyc.blogspot.com/2017/11/gang-attacks-teens-in-fort-tryon-park.html

        Looks like it was NAM gangs attacking each other during off hours at the low areas, and not SWPLs being in danger in the higher elevations of the park.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2019 at 11:00 AM

      • Still, again, Manhattan would be 99% crime free, if NAMs are not allowed in the borough.

        I expect another criminal incident involving NAMs at Fort Tryon in the near future.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 2, 2019 at 11:06 AM

    • It’s not a bad area at all.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      September 2, 2019 at 9:33 AM

    • Where’s Paul Kersey when you need him?

      destructure

      September 2, 2019 at 2:47 PM

      • Speaking of, I saw the new Bruce Willis version of Death Wish recently. It was OK, but why the original movie a hit was the fear of crime prevalent in the 1970’s. Crime is way down now compared to then so the potential audience that this movie would hit buttons for is a lot smaller.

        Mike Street Station

        September 7, 2019 at 8:29 AM

    • My wife is dragging me to this. When I get sick of it, I’m leaving to visit The Cloisters.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 3, 2019 at 12:07 PM

  13. Two things I don’t understand, if you don’t know about those school who did know about it and who got those scholarships, someone must have been poor enough and yet savvy enough to get it. So overall it doesn’t matter, there are only few places and out of millions of proles only few get it anyway. If all proles were savvy you would still be in the same position, probably not getting this scholarship because of the fierce competition.

    The other thing is, why do you think the only way to succeed in life is by some upper classes bestowing their favours on you? Don’t you really see enough successful people around you who are not from any special background or school and still rich with a nice wife and house? Most rich people just own a business rather than being employee, I know so many people who actually took this path to success, how blind you got to be not to see all those people around you?

    Hashed

    September 2, 2019 at 9:56 AM

  14. At the article link, in the comments: Asians complaining about “legacy” students, with most of them being white.

    Frau Katze

    September 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM

    • Legacy admissions hurt high IQ whites who are just outside of the top 0.1% more than anyone else.

      AA hurts Asians and helps blacks/hispanics, but Legacy hurts MMC, UMC, and low end UC whites the most. We can’t afford to casually fling around 10 or 20 million like the high end UC whites can. If you care about helping non-rich, non-poor whites, you should support a total ban on legacy admissions.

      SC

      September 2, 2019 at 4:17 PM

      • I’m a Canadian where all big universities are publicly funded. (If you want a building named after yourself you can pay for said building. Some Chinese have done this. They copy the high class whites.)

        But in general admission is by merit, with a small amount of affirmative action for native Indians. But they are extremely prone to alcoholism and other addictions so they don’t take many spots.

        Our high class is likely pathetic compared to the US high class. Taxes are higher here too.

        Frau Katze

        September 2, 2019 at 10:02 PM

      • Let’s also recall that Harvard gets mega bucks from USA taxpayers.

        Given that so many taxpayer dollars flow to Harvard, the gov’t is certainly in a position to require all kinds of gov’t prescribed policies, and they do. Everything from title ix to affirmative action. Ending legacy admission benefits could easily be required of any institution receiving any kind of gov’t $$. That includes student loans and grants.

        not too late

        September 4, 2019 at 3:52 PM

      • Give them another generation and they’ll be Chinese legacy students too. A lot of the Chinese coming to Canada are quite well off.

        Frau Katze

        September 5, 2019 at 1:15 AM

  15. “Here’s what I do think: Americans have never liked to toil by the sweat of their brow, so we import cheap labor. But, cheap labor isn’t cheap.”

    More like a psychopathic ruling class that that doesn’t want to pay for labor and wants hopelessly divided and cowed society so it can take more power to “solve” all the problems it creates.

    fakeemail

    September 2, 2019 at 1:11 PM

  16. Most Asian Americans either support or are indifferent to Affirmative Action

    http://aapidata.com/blog/aa-attitudes-affirmative-action/

    CA Spears

    September 4, 2019 at 2:25 PM

    • When the ax came into the forest, most trees were indifferent or said “look, the handle is one of us.”

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 5, 2019 at 10:47 AM


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