Lion of the Blogosphere

Advice for taking your kids to visit colleges

I wish I could say that you should never do this. It’s a scam by the educational-industrial complex to get your kid to fall in love, for totally irrational reasons, with a school that’s bad for them because it’s overpriced and/or not the best school they could get into. It’s totally bogus that your naïve 17-year-old kid can make any useful judgments based on a three hour tour of some campus. (Colleges also push the bogus notion that there’s a special college, no doubt one that has very expensive tuition but doesn’t offer any great prestige, that’s a special “fit” for your kid.)

However, the reason to visit a college is that it’s a plus on the application because it shows interest. So unfortunately, you should take your kid to visit Cornell if your kid has a legitimate shot of getting into Cornell, and your kid should definitely go to Cornell if that’s the best school they get accepted to, but no way should you let your kid fall in love with Cornell and go there if Princeton also accepts him (or her). Princeton is the better school, regardless of whether the person who gave the campus tour was an ***hole or if the campus looked ugly that year because a building was under construction.

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September 11, 2019 at 12:39 PM

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  1. Good advice. My parents and I made some judgements of schools based on my visits that might have been rash.

    While we were visiting U Penn we witnessed a woman’s purse get snatched in broad daylight mid-morning. I decided not to apply there based on this incident (and a general dislike for Philly). But I know people who went there 4 years and tell me they never witnessed any street crime. Maybe better to look at statistics than judge based on freak occurrences.

    While visiting Yale, the woman running the admissions desk that day was the most elitist prig I have ever encountered. Another visiting family had to park a car (we took a cab), having driven from Ohio. Yale apparently did not have any visitor parking anywhere near the visitors office, aside from meter-fed street parking. The father of the family went in the office and respectfully asked if they could give him change for a dollar.

    The admissions woman looked at him in the manner of a medieval queen looking at a peasant who had asked if he could borrow her crown.

    “It is not *OUR* responsibility to provide *CHANGE* to *YOU*” she sneered.

    Didn’t apply there either. But who knows, might have been worth the shot — never would have had to speak to that woman in any case.

    Wency

    September 11, 2019 at 1:01 PM

    • It never crossed your mind that the story is fake?

      Reminds me of this Russian joke, I dont know why.

      A tour guide is taking a group of tourists around Paris.
      – To the right you see Louvere, to the left is and escort. Today the left you see the Notre-Dame Cathedral, to the right is an escort.
      – Are there any women in Paris that aren’t prostitutes? asks a tourist.
      – Sure, but they are very expensive.

      Yakov

      September 11, 2019 at 2:19 PM

      • Department 11

        September 11, 2019 at 2:42 PM

      • @Dept 11

        Beautiful. Sometimes I wonder how men like her (ex?)-husband live with themselves.

        Part 2 reveals the answer: Heavily intoxicated, with a gun in their mouths.

        Wency

        September 11, 2019 at 3:59 PM

      • I guess I stand corrected. Funny story though.

        Yakov

        September 11, 2019 at 5:10 PM

      • I actually did see two hookers in Paris during our trip last year. They were seated outside a rundown storefront in Pigalle (“Pig Alley”) soliciting passerby. Interestingly, they were doing so in English rather than French. One of them might have been sort of semi-acceptable 25 years and 50 pounds ago, the other was ghastly.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        September 11, 2019 at 5:41 PM

      • The linked article has nothing to do with whether the woman’s story is true, and the TV report it links to doesn’t have a lot of specifics. If I was writing it, at a minimum I’d want to know exactly where she’d worked and confirm other details of her story. Her story may be true, but unlike some of the other stories like this, she makes statements that can be verified without revealing the identity of her customers. I can believe a woman going to law school might go into prostitution to pay the bills, but this is a lawyer who advocates for sex workers, making easily verifiable claims that apparently weren’t, with a (now ex) husband who allegedly doesn’t care about her sleeping with other men. Not buying it.

        TWBC

        September 11, 2019 at 7:48 PM

      • Just outside the Madrid zoo, in broad daylight, I once saw an old white man wearing nothing but boxers and an undershirt chase an African prostitute in a bikini. He was moving in a stumbling manner that suggested heavy intoxication, or possibly severe dementia.

        This remains the oddest thing I’ve ever seen.

        Wency

        September 11, 2019 at 9:27 PM

      • @TWBC:

        Interesting take. Here we are in a world in which federal appellate courts tell cities that bums must be allowed to camp in public parks and taxpayers must pay for sex change operations for incarcerated felons, medical schools remove portraits of trailblazing researchers because minority students are jealous of white achievement, and you think it’s unlikely that a struggling criminal defense lawyer (Des Moine’s not exactly Detroit) would bonk to pay the bills, especially if she gets extra feminist points for handing her husband the ultimate humiliation? As Steve Sailer would say – Okay!

        By the way, I believe the retail rate at the Bunny Ranch is around $600. If the house takes 50% and she made $55k, that means she did about 180 guys in three months. That’s a lot of stretch.

        Department 11

        September 12, 2019 at 12:54 AM

  2. Wrong! Visit the campus and talk to the students. It was clear to me that APEX was a lousy school and talking to the students confirmed it, I went anyway and had never regretted that decision .So visit the place, check out the syllabus, talk to the students, not the administrators, and if you fall in love with the school, there is nothing wrong with that. I love Florence and Rome, why not go to school in a place that you love? At the end of the day it’s your personal ability and qualities that matter, or am I living on a different planet?

    You preach a gospel of phoniness. I hate that.

    Yakov

    September 11, 2019 at 1:18 PM

    • You don’t need to visit the campus to know that Apex is a bogus school.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2019 at 1:51 PM

      • I’m not that smart.

        Yakov

        September 11, 2019 at 2:01 PM

  3. Ha ha. I totally fell for that one.

    In my case, I didn’t do a campus tour that lasted a few hours, I did a weekend long tour including having current students introduce me to their friends and let me sleep on the floor of their dorm room overnight. That kind of stuff works way better than an ordinary campus visits. Most “perspective students” don’t ask any questions about academics during campus visits. They mostly look at how tricked out the dorm rooms are, and what recreational facilities the campus has.

    I was *heavily* influenced by how nice people were to me. If you visited right before midterms when everyone was too busy to play Frisbee with you, you’d get a very different impression.

    I’ve heard rumors (which I believe), that colleges recruiting top athletes throw in really hot college girls who tell the kid how much they hope he goes to that school. I bet this would have worked on The Lion at 17. They could have talked him into going to SUNY Plattsburg.

    Incidentally, Cornell, has pushed this campus visit stuff to a new level with it’s “Summer College” program.

    https://sce.cornell.edu/precollege/summer-college

    Although, I have it on good authority that if you can get a free program at a prestigious school, you should pick that over one that you have to pay for. Not because you’re saving money, but because it’s harder to get into the free one, and therefore a free program gives you more prestige.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    September 11, 2019 at 1:30 PM

    • “They could have talked him into going to SUNY Plattsburg.”

      According to the Beach Boys, northern girls are great kissers and they keep their boyfriends warm at night.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2019 at 1:54 PM

      • I actually work with a young woman at the Major Home Improvement Retailer who just started her last year at SUNY Plattsburg. She’s worked at the MHIR for the last couple of summers and over the winter break. Not that I’ve given her an IQ test or anything, but she seems quite smart. She likes the college.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        September 11, 2019 at 5:46 PM

    • “I bet this would have worked on *anyone that’s male*.”

      Jokah Macpherson

      September 11, 2019 at 6:35 PM

  4. I’ve always wanted to know how much this stuff actually matters in the admissions process. How many points (is there a point system?) do I get for visiting the college vs, say, playing an obscure sport or going to a bad high school? They never say. It’s amazing that in this age of wikileaks, pentagon papers, etc the elite college admission process is still kept secret.

    ack-acking

    September 11, 2019 at 1:37 PM

    • “I’ve always wanted to know how much this stuff actually matters in the admissions process.”

      Don’t be like FOB Asians who think nothing matters besides SAT scores and playing the violin.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2019 at 1:55 PM

    • ack-acking,

      They don’t have an exact point system. What they have is something that looks very much like what you would get if you did have an exact point system. Also, every university is different, and there’s not 100% perfect consistency even within a given university. For example, if your application is almost exactly the same as someone else’s, the first one of you to get accepted can lower the chances of the second one getting accepted.

      Being a great Lacrosse player can help you get into a college on the East Coast, but it won’t help you get into Stanford, because Stanford doesn’t have a Lacrosse team.

      As a general strategy, you want to spread the effort you put into things, and try to get a good return for your effort. If your kid sucks at sports, don’t hire him a personal coach. You also want to cover all your bases if possible. Even if your kid sucks at sports try to get him on at least one sports team. Also if you’re taking all math classes take at least one liberal arts class. If you’re taking all liberal arts classes, take at least one math class.

      Extracurricular activities should involve sports and volunteering, but don’t forget about clubs and leadership. It doesn’t matter very much what the club is. Your kid wants to major in underwater basket weaving at Swarthmore, have them start an underwater basket weaving club at their school and then become the president of that club. Now they’re showing leadership potential!

      Right after that, beat them with a stick and tell them that they’re not allowed to major in basket weaving. Most colleges have realized that students will try to rig their applications to get admitted to the majors that are easiest to get admitted under, and then change their majors as soon as they get in. 80% of all college students change majors, and unfortunately, most of them do it get into majors with easier classes, which is a giant mistake.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 11, 2019 at 3:07 PM

      • “It doesn’t matter very much what the club is.”

        I disagree, I would recommend something like drama club (which sounds cool, especially if the kid can say that they performed in plays), and not a club that sounds bogus or prole.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 11, 2019 at 3:43 PM

      • That all sounds reasonable, MoreSigmas, but how do you know? I’d like to hear an inside story from someone who actually worked at Harvard admissions, even if they did it 50 years ago or whatever. It seems like all we have is gossip and anecdotes. “X got into Harvard and Y didn’t, and X did fencing but Y did tennis, so that means fencing is better than tennis”.

        I was amazed that even in the Harvard Asian discrimination case, they were still allowed to keep their process secret. Imagine if a company was being sued for racial discrimination, and they tried to keep their hiring process secret while super-duper swearing that they weren’t being racist, even though the stats made it seem like they clearly were.

        ack-acking

        September 11, 2019 at 4:27 PM

      • 80% of all college students change majors,

        After one semester I changed my major from Criminal Justice to Computer Science. This was one of the few good career decisions I’ve made.

        E. Rekshun

        September 11, 2019 at 5:59 PM

  5. The opposite happened when I did campus visits as a teenager. I spent the whole time complaining to my parents that it was bullshit marketing while they were totally hooked by the better sales pitches and the whole ‘fit’ thing.

    Jokah Macpherson

    September 11, 2019 at 1:43 PM

  6. I doubt you would write about colleges and associated stuff in such details if you were not a parent or at least heavily involved in your relative’s application process yourself. What you are writing in your posts matches factually and emotionally with stuff I am hearing from my friends that have children that are now freshmen or sophomores at different colleges/universities.

    My 2¢

    September 11, 2019 at 1:48 PM

    • I have absolutely no involvement with any relatives, friends, or anyone else applying or attending college.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2019 at 2:00 PM

      • Nope, Lion is just obsessed.

        It’s as absurd as a retiree blogging in detail about changes to the driving test.

        Justice Duvall

        September 11, 2019 at 3:59 PM

      • Why absurd, it is just a field of interest, I am not even an American (thanks god) but it is interesting to me and gives me some perspective. I have learned a lot from this blog insights and I do wish Lion would expand his horizons a bit and give us some isights also about other subject, but you can’t have it all.

        Hashed

        September 11, 2019 at 6:39 PM

      • Is it a good idea to take an advice from someone who is preoccupied with something unless you can independently verify it?

        My 2¢

        September 11, 2019 at 7:00 PM

      • He is a good chap, but got messed up as a kid and is spending the rest if his life agonizing over it. There is nothing that we can do about it, he’s got to figure out his situation himself. None of these things matter to me, I’m very fortunate that I’m messed up in other ways.

        Yakov

        September 11, 2019 at 8:36 PM

  7. All this college stuff hits home for me. When I was a teenager I taught myself relativity from this book:

    Then I read this book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Mushroom-bomb-John-Aristotle-Phillips/dp/0688033512

    Since I knew that Einstein taught at Princeton after he came to America, and the guy in the second book went to Princeton, one day I casually mentioned to my mother that I might want to go to Princeton. She blew up on me for wanting to go to a large and prestigious school. She went bananas. It really caught me off guard, and I never again expressed a desire to do something like that.

    Fast forward 3 years later and I was a physics major at a small non-prestigious school, and a student member of the American Physical Society. The APS would have these multi-day symposiums that were hosted at various college campuses. This was the only time I’ve ever been on the Cornell campus. As others have said, it’s pretty nice.

    The symposiums had lectures of course, but they also had a cocktail hour where you would hang out with some of the professors. It was during these events that I first started learning the things that our Lion teaches us here. These were things that I should have known about and used to shape my decisions in high school.

    The fact that my school had a 3-2 program (which I didn’t use) also taught me a lot. Probably nobody cares, but I’ll relate the details. Basically, a student does 3 years at the small school, transfers to a large school, then does 2 more years, and gets a 4 year degree from the large school.

    Why not just do 4 years at the small school? Well because the degree from the big school is worth more. Why not just do 4 years at the big school? Well because that way you get the ‘experience’ of going to the small school.

    It was a point of pride for our professors that the literature for the 3-2 program said students transferring in had their GPA drop by a full letter grade the first semester; but when students transferred in from our school, their GPAs went up a full letter grade.

    I put the pieces together. So the students at the big school get a degree that’s worth more, and their GPA is a full letter grade higher for the same amount of work. Meanwhile no one has heard of our school, and when people look at our GPAs, they think the equivalent at another school would actually be two full letter grades behind where it is: one full letter grade for us being graded harder, and another full letter grade for them thinking we’re graded easier.

    I thought damn. We are really being screwed. If only I’d known all this before I applied to college.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    September 11, 2019 at 2:31 PM

    • Not trying to be mean, but sounds like your Mom had some kind of hangup. What was it all about?

      Vipltd

      September 11, 2019 at 2:50 PM

      • “Not trying to be mean, but sounds like your Mom had some kind of hangup.”

        No kidding.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 11, 2019 at 4:24 PM

  8. I’d be interested in a post where you rank the Ivies and give your reasons why. I was under the impression that Cornell was the best STEM Ivy.

    Daren

    September 11, 2019 at 3:32 PM

    • “I was under the impression that Cornell was the best STEM Ivy.”

      Albert Einstein taught at Princeton, not Cornell.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2019 at 3:46 PM

      • I think Feynman actually taught undergrads at Cornell. I don’t think Einstein actually taught any classes at Princeton.

        Tom

        September 11, 2019 at 3:58 PM

      • And Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg both dropped out from Harvard!

        ack-acking

        September 11, 2019 at 4:33 PM

      • Galileo taught at the University of Padua, that doesn’t make Padua better than Cornell… However, even if I don’t like your retort, I’d probably agree with your conclusion.

        Cornell and Princeton both rank pretty close in computer science and physics (the two STEM disciplines I understand best). Although admittedly I was one class shy of a math major, and Princeton is well ahead of Cornell in math this year. Both Cornell and Princeton rank behind MIT in physics and computer science, with Princeton Harvard and MIT being nearly tied in math. So if someone were an absolute superstar in computer science or physics, and wanted to be the best in the world, I’d tell them to go to MIT (which is not an ivy).

        However, if the person I was advising were not the best in the world, and got accepted to both Cornell and Princeton, but not MIT, my thought process would go like this:

        *You should pick something to major in that will be useful to you later in life.
        *You should try to get into roughly the best program that you can, rather than just the best school.
        *If two schools have programs that are roughly as good, you should always prefer the program at the bigger and/or more prestigious school, with prestige being valued more than size.

        Why?

        Because your diploma will have the name of that school on it. You will network with a better class of alumni, your answer to the ‘where did you go to school’ question will instantly give you more prestige. If you meet your future spouse at that school, you will have a better pool of people to choose from, and your spouse will have all the advantages in life that you do.

        There’s also some chance that you will change your major or even transfer to another school. Which college will put you in the best position if you do that? Always the one with more prestige. Always.

        Clearly H/Y/P are a cut above the other ives in the prestige department. Lion can comment on when if ever someone should take a non H/Y/P ivy over an H/Y/P school. I’d be curious about his opinion.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 11, 2019 at 4:50 PM

      • ” Lion can comment on when if ever someone should take a non H/Y/P ivy over an H/Y/P school. I’d be curious about his opinion.”

        Never, always take HYP.

        Exception: for graduate business school, Wharton (UPenn) is better than Yale.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM

      • “I think Feynman actually taught undergrads at Cornell. I don’t think Einstein actually taught any classes at Princeton.”

        True, but Feynman and Sagan are both dead right now. You might want to factor that into your decision.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 11, 2019 at 5:09 PM

      • In any case, there is no doubt that Princeton has the most prestigious Physics department, but I would not recommend that major unless you are super smart plus an extreme math nerd.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 11, 2019 at 5:20 PM

      • “In any case, there is no doubt that Princeton has the most prestigious Physics department, but I would not recommend that major unless you are super smart plus an extreme math nerd.”

        Also, everything amazing done in physics happened before I was born. Physics is no longer ripe for new discoveries, and all the lab apparatus for fundamental research is so expensive that research is now done by committee. So if you don’t like committees and want to make great strides, pick another field.

        But, that’s what I was passionate about and got my degree in, so if we’re discussing specifics, that’s something I know about. I would try to talk my own kids out of majoring in physics.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 11, 2019 at 5:46 PM

      • Speaking of Cornell grad whom I know and she hails from Brooklyn and is also a guidette.

        She is a classic LoftB textbook example of proles who don’t prepare their kids to climb the socioeconomic ladder where they avoid other proles and become the elite. She graduated with a Psychology degree and she now works in a public hospital as a counselor in behavioral health.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 11, 2019 at 9:23 PM

  9. The Cornell admissions office https://blogs.cornell.edu/admissions/2015/09/28/top-ten-answers/ says this:

    Do you keep track of our interest?
    With over 40,000 applications it would be a challenge to keep track of the thousands of emails students send. This does not play a factor in the admissions process, but asking us detailed questions can certainly help you learn more about Cornell.

    Does it help if I visit?
    Visiting campus is a wonderful experience, and we would be happy to have you on campus. But we realize that we are quite far for some families and it can be quite expensive to fly, book hotel rooms, rent a car, etc. So again, we do not track your ‘contact’ with us, you can learn about us via the web, YouTube, Twitter, or chat with our student ambassadors!

    Beliavsky

    September 11, 2019 at 4:29 PM

    • Don’t believe everything they say.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2019 at 4:35 PM

      • Cornell is located in Ithaca, which is a nice place filled with gorges and waterfalls. The campus is a testament to this, and it is also a small city within a small city located in the hills.

        Ithaca reminds you of a mini San Francisco, although not as marvelous and the weather is not as fantastic.

        Furthermore, the founder of Cornell, who was Ezra Cornell, bearing his name, was a prole with a rags to riches story. He started out as a farmer and then became broke, and got into a business of installing telegraph lines which made him super wealthy in Ithaca. Something to that effect. He later founded a higher learning institution which would focus on pragmatic endeavors as much as the liberal arts, hence Cornell being a lower tier Ivy, with vocational bent.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 11, 2019 at 11:30 PM

      • Cornell even has a farming school.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2019 at 7:31 AM

      • “Cornell even has a farming school.”

        I’ve got a bunch of grapes that came from a Cornell grape breeding program in the 50s. They tend to be named after small towns in central New York.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 12, 2019 at 12:17 PM

      • Cornell bred the best apples. I support NY State Cornell-bred apples like Empires and Macouns.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2019 at 12:26 PM

      • Ithaca, NY is quite a different scenery from any town north of Albany, such as Lake George with their American flags and NYPD T-Shirts. Furthermore, the young people in these areas remind you of the young people from Staten Island and Long Island with their steak dinners, in contrast to a town like Ithaca that caters to crowd that enjoys Sushi, Thai and Ethiopian food.

        You’re probably sick of my Upstate NY rant.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 12, 2019 at 1:35 PM

      • Totally disagree, there area lots of small towns in upstate NY that are not like the prole areas of Lake George. For example, Cazenovia.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2019 at 2:13 PM

      • Cazenovia has a median household income in the likes of Lake George and Saratoga Springs. I assume that you mentioned this town in contrast to the prolier areas in Upstate NY.

        Picking a place to live is like selecting a college, where wealth of its residents isn’t the only reason why it is a good or bad place to live.

        Staten Island has the highest median household in the city, and it is considered a safe place, overall.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 12, 2019 at 3:18 PM

    • That same page says:

      “How important is rank? GPA? These two statistics alone, do not show us anything about the rigor of your academic coursework. We will look at your entire high school transcript and each individual grade in each individual class to see how much you challenged yourself.”

      Not anything? Great. So my 1.01 GPA, and the fact that my class rank is 389 out of 400 won’t keep me out of Cornell? Thanks super transparent answer diversity hire Herrera.

      Highly misleading. They use a weighting factor to convert your GPA. Regular courses are scored on a scale of 0-4 with the highest possible grade being a 4.0, while honors or AP courses score 0-5 with the highest possible score being a 5.0. They use a mathematical formula, and have no idea how hard any course you took was beyond knowing whether it listed as “AP”, “honors”, or literally anything other than those two things.

      They could tell you all these facts explicitly, but they don’t want to tell you because they don’t want to expose exactly how the system works.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 11, 2019 at 5:07 PM

    • Ooh a policy statement! It must be true.

      I’ll bet they don’t give preferences to kids whose parents donate a lot of money either.

      Jokah Macpherson

      September 11, 2019 at 6:29 PM

      • The page also tries to downplay that. It’s more about public relations than providing useful information.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 12, 2019 at 12:18 PM

    • College guidance counselors at the public schools will tell a student who got accepted to Princeton and Cornell to ponder what they want to study and decide what school to go depending on their interests. Each school has their strong points in certain disciplines and weak points for others.

      We all know guidance counselors from the public schools are stupid and prolish, hence is the reason why they work in that kind of environment. Being a graduate of Princeton open significantly more opportunities regardless of your major.

      Most kids at the age of 20 don’t know what to do with their lives.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      September 11, 2019 at 9:29 PM

  10. the reason to visit a college is that it’s a plus on the application because it shows interest.

    I didn’t make any college visits for undergrad, but for MBA programs, I attended a lecture at Harvard but didn’t apply; didn’t visit Stanford and was rejected; visited UNC-Chapel Hill and Duke and was accepted. But ended up going to the University of Florida as a FL resident on a half-tuition scholarship. My full-time MBA tuition cost me a total of $5000 (over 20 years ago).

    E. Rekshun

    September 11, 2019 at 5:51 PM

    • MBA from University of Florida? Maybe you would have done better to just get a job.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 12, 2019 at 12:19 PM

      • Anything associated Florida would be considered low status or prole to any Northeastern SWPL and their West Coast 2nd tier counterparts.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 12, 2019 at 1:22 PM

      • US News & World Report has the UF MBA program ranked at no. 25. I got three decent job offers from Fortune 100 companies through the UF MBA career services office. And if I made a couple of better career decisions, my salary would easily be double what it is now.

        https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

        E. Rekshun

        September 12, 2019 at 5:32 PM

  11. Maybe for Ivies since it’s such a crap shoot even with a top notch resume but not worth it anywhere else, especially if you’re what they’re looking for. Do you really think they’re like, “This guy with the perfect SAT score and the 5.0 GPA who plays 3 sports didn’t even visit campus, no way we’re admitting him!”

    Jokah Macpherson

    September 11, 2019 at 6:44 PM

  12. The modal graduate from my HS class applied to 1 school, Auburn University, having never “officially visited” there but having unofficially visited the school their entire lives for football games and then occasionally their senior year for weekend party getaways if they were friends with kids in the class ahead of them, and they were all accepted.

    Jokah Macpherson

    September 11, 2019 at 6:47 PM

  13. This is all very stupid, but how much money are we talking about after years of agony? What the bottom line? And after all this you still remain a faker for the rest of your life? Dumb and dumber. This is slavery, mates! Complete effacement of personality. No way! Not for me! I am gonna be free and happy. But what’s at the end if the tunnel? How much are we talking about? I mean, I, a simple HVAC tech, am looking at 2,500 to 3,000 clean under the mattress money at the end of this week and I acted myself all the time, wore what I wanted, said ‘nigger’ when I wanted, drank beer for lunch at the construction site to the cheers and laughter of all the Spanish workers, who couldn’t do it because their boss was there, and in the evening I wore a tie when I wanted. What am I missing? Lion, you are smart, tell me?

    Yakov

    September 11, 2019 at 7:15 PM

    • Lion writes this entire blog while he’s on the clock. Although you do make a lot of good points.

      I’m in this guy’s interview question prep group:

      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xKdmAXFh4ACyhpiQ_3qBw

      He was recently fired from a job at Facebook that paid over $500k/yr. He was fired for having a popular youtube channel (okay a lot less freedom than you enjoy). This particular slave went to a less prestigious school than the Lion, so if the Lion wanted to work just as hard as that guy, he could probably make more money than he’s making now, but would probably also have to stop blogging at work. Just -reading- what you posted would be enough to get Lion fired from a FAANG company.

      My wife knows a lot of people in the Medical field. The job a doctor gets depends on the residency they got, and the residency depends on what school they went to. The realistic top end for really good specialties is around $350k/yr. One could argue that doctors have to put in more work per dollar than talented IT workers. Personally, I’d argue that.

      Of course your take home pay could go up if hired employees and advertised your business, but that would be a lot more work, hassle, and risk. The people I’ve known personally who made the most money were businessmen with no college degree. One of them would have never used the foul language you do, and simply referred to those of the darker persuasion as “monkeys”. Another one started his business after he got out of prison, because being a convicted felon prevented him from going back to his old job.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 12, 2019 at 12:41 PM

      • “so if the Lion wanted to work just as hard as that guy, he could probably make more money than he’s making now”

        No I can’t, no one wants to hire me for any other jobs.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2019 at 1:23 PM

      • At the risk of sounding like a motivational speaker:

        Everybody wants a job that pays more, but not everybody wants to put in the work required to get a job that pays more. The number one separating you from people who get more interest from recruiters is their willingness to put in the time and effort to master hot new skills, and broadcast to others that they have those skills.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        September 12, 2019 at 2:25 PM

      • If you have to learn “hot new skills” to get a job, you’re a worker-bee and not a high-paid self-actualizing type.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2019 at 5:52 PM

      • The guy in the clip is very bright, but not bright enough to keep his wife and his job inspite of his obvious personality issues. 350k before tax, which is under 300k after the government’s bite, is nice for a plumber, but for a doctor it’s nothing, unless you love medicine, then the money really doesn’t matter that much. 8 years of school plus internship to make 350k on the books by the age of 40? Don’t make me laugh now! My kids in bussiness make more and they’ve got a long way to 40. And we didn’t even touch the student loans that this poor doctor has to pay back. Mad world.

        Yakov

        September 13, 2019 at 7:50 AM

    • In real human value, having idle time is a lot better than working. Society has enough human capital to make things tick, so why do you want to be another one?

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      September 13, 2019 at 12:46 PM

  14. The college tour I took in 1984 at what ended up to be my college in 1985-89 was inauspicious. After a longer than expected 3-hour car trip to a small town in a rural area, my dad and I hurriedly parked and hustled to meet our preregistered tour, which was already half over. By the time we got to it and they politely let us join, the tour was at the Black Student Union. “Here is [whatever] House, the Black Student Union.” I laughed out loud, which got funny looks from everyone, including my dad. I wasn’t trying to be a dick, I must have just been giddy from all the sudden standing up and fast walking after the nonstop car trip.

    After the tour was a boring meaningless interview at the alumni center, and then we decided to go back home. Before we left, I suddenly had to go, and looked around for a place. I walked into a shed in a remote corner near our car which looked like an outhouse and saw a 70s era sign inside saying “[Whatever] College Recycling Center.” It obviously hadn’t been used since then, and there were a few boxes full of papers with thick layers of dust on top. I saw the date 1976 on one sheet. When I later attended for 4 years, there was no recycling and the shed had been repurposed. All of the tours of other colleges I went on were much better, but somehow I ended up there. It was and maybe still is an exclusive college, but my entire time there was just like the tour: anxiety-inducing, boring, and slightly embarrassing.

    Mundane

    September 11, 2019 at 8:20 PM

  15. In retrospect I think it would have been wise to do some college touring before applying if only to rid myself of some preconceptions. My college counselor recommended schools such as Duke, Vanderbilt, Northwestern and Stanford was my reach school. I got wait listed at Stanford but ended up at a reasonably good top 70 school on west coast where I was only 4 pt student in my class for a couple of years. I didn’t even apply to the other schools mentioned because I wanted to stay on the west coast. I did apply to Berkeley but didn’t get in which surprised me. I suspect, if I’d toured Duke I would have dropped the west coast preference.

    As it is, I did very well at the school I attended. However, I never laid eyes on the school I attended until I showed up for orientation. One of the first friends I made on campus was a girl and we discussed her brother quitting college to work for a friend’s software business in New Mexico. I asked her what ‘software’ was and she attempted an explanation. As it turns out her brother was working at Microsoft and at one time was worth $900 million.

    Curle

    September 11, 2019 at 10:53 PM

  16. Lion I’m 29 with a ged and a few community college credits, semi retired but living on less than 700 a month after housing and utilities. I’m too feminine and visually spacially challenged to pick up a trade, too socially awkward for sales, and too dumb to learn coding. What would be a good career choice? Right now I’m looking for some kind of clerical government job but I can’t compete with all the outgoing black women who have associates degrees

    Gm

    September 12, 2019 at 10:49 AM

    • I don’t believe that anyone who reads my blog is “dumb.”

      You would be good at nursing or other healthcare stuff.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 12, 2019 at 11:28 AM

    • I agree w/ LotB regarding nursing and healthcare. If you can’t get a government clerical job, you might get certifications in code inspector or water plant technician, then get a local government job. Being female will greatly boost your chances.

      E. Rekshun

      September 12, 2019 at 5:44 PM

      • im not a female, im an swpl guy. and I just got hired at a subaru dealership where i start tuesday for 12 dollars an hour. i don’t think nursing is a good fit for me, all the male nurses ive met were affable west african types

        gm

        September 15, 2019 at 1:40 PM

  17. You sound dumb and assuming that you are parking control officer or a mailwoman are options to consider. The main thing in life is to be nice, kind and happy, so I wouldn’t agonize about the low IQ. I’m low IQ and I’m happy.

    What does semi-retired mean?

    Yakov

    September 12, 2019 at 12:07 PM

    • “I’m low IQ”

      No you’re not.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      September 12, 2019 at 12:59 PM

    • i can’t work for the post office because I didn’t sign up for selective service, all male postal workers are required to. semi retired means i have a house that I rent out and after paying my mortgage, taxes, etc i have about 600 – 800 every month. i live rent free in an apartment that’s above the garage

      gm

      September 15, 2019 at 1:45 PM

  18. I’m glad I don’t have kids and don’t have to worry about the college decision. To me, the best university is the University of LOTB. I always learned a lot more from independent reading and study than I did from school anyway.

    Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

    September 12, 2019 at 11:29 PM

    • A guidette whom I know graduated from Cornell University and she takes on a job at a public hospital working with prole co-workers and counseling proles.

      Bad, bad, bad, career move. This is what happens when you grew up in a prole household. I’m afraid to offend her by giving advice when it’s her bread n butter.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      September 13, 2019 at 12:32 PM

      • she takes on a job at a public hospital working with prole co-workers and counseling proles.

        I’m friendly with a very attractive Colombiana immigrant. She legally immigrated to the US at age 19, learned English, earned her MS Nursing, bought real estate, including an oceanfront Miami Beach condo. For the past ten years, she’s worked as a psychiatric nurse for the Miami-Dade County jail dealing with, not only prole workers, but lumpenprole felons and murderers.

        E. Rekshun

        September 13, 2019 at 6:09 PM


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