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President Pence

It needs to be pointed out, once again, that “impeachment” is only a simple majority vote in the House of Representatives which is controlled by Democrats (who hate Trump far more than Republicans hated Clinton in 1998). Impeachment does not remove Trump from office.

It’s unlikely that Trump will be removed from office. Just as Democrats stuck together in 1999, so, probably, will Republicans.

I use the word “probably,” because I am sure that there are a lot of Republican Senators who would prefer President Pence to President Trump, but the problem for those Republicans is that the Republican primary voters love Trump and would vote them out of office in the next primary. Few Republican Senators would care to give up their jobs just to get a year of President Pence.

Senator Mitt Romney will definitely vote against Trump. In Utah, he’s like the second coming of Joseph Smith, so he doesn’t have to worry about being voted out of office, and he HATES Trump. (Assuming he even wants to run again in 2024 when he’ll be 77 years old, although there have been older Senators. Strom Thurmond held on until he was 100, so we could have another 28 years of Mitt.)

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“theantignostic” writes in a comment:

Mormons suck.

They literally do not suck. The LDS church has explicitly banned oral sex even for married couples.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 25, 2019 at 12:35 PM

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  1. Mormons suck.

    theantignostic

    September 25, 2019 at 12:37 PM

    • “Mormons suck.”

      They literally do not suck. The LDS church has explicitly banned oral sex even for married couples.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 25, 2019 at 12:43 PM

      • Mormons are poopyheads. Prove me wrong.

        theantignostic

        September 25, 2019 at 12:56 PM

      • “Mormons are poopyheads. Prove me wrong.”

        Dale Murphy.

        Better luck next time.

        njguy73

        September 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM

      • That’s not true. They tried to ban it for about 2 months, until so many people complained that they quickly got rid of it.

        ExMoDude

        September 25, 2019 at 1:24 PM

      • Oral sex is super gross and there is something wrong with people (apparently a large number) who are into it. It was the gateway into homosexuality IMHO.

        This needed to be said.

        S.J., Esquire

        September 25, 2019 at 4:48 PM

      • “Oral sex is super gross and there is something wrong with people (apparently a large number) who are into it. It was the gateway into homosexuality IMHO.”

        Orally pleasing a flavorful unshaved woman is one of life’s finer pleasures.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        September 25, 2019 at 8:02 PM

      • > They tried to ban it for about 2 months, until so many people complained that they quickly got rid of it.

        In the main christian denominations any sexual act without “openness to conception” is either a cardinal or mortal sin. That mormons allegedly came up with a specific rule about blowjobs makes it even clearer they are not christians.

        If you ask a mormon if they celebrate christmas or easter they get really mad. It’s always a fun troll. Mormonism is a weird cult that superficially borrowed some christian elements.

        bobbybobbob

        September 25, 2019 at 8:41 PM

      • “It was the gateway into homosexuality IMHO.”

        A man eating p***y is the gateway into homosexuality?!!!

        “This needed to be said.”

        No. It didn’t. And no one agrees with you. The bible doesn’t even agree with you. Nowhere in the bible does it mention oral sex. Not even once. Now, buggery is some nasty business. And there are very serious medical reasons not to do that. But there’s no reason oral sex should be prohibited.

        destructure

        September 25, 2019 at 10:31 PM

      • “Mormonism is a weird cult that superficially borrowed some christian elements.”

        This explains Mormonism.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding–Rigdon_theory_of_Book_of_Mormon_authorship

        Curle

        September 25, 2019 at 11:51 PM

      • It’s not like our Lion to get so sexually graphic like this. But I have to admit – I like it!

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        September 27, 2019 at 12:45 AM

      • Remember to practice safe oral sex!

        gothamette

        September 27, 2019 at 9:00 AM

    • “If you ask a mormon if they celebrate christmas or easter they get really mad. ”

      What? Mormon here, and I don’t know a Mormon who doesn’t celebrate Christmas or Easter.
      Granted, I recognize them for the bastardized paganism that they are, but still.

      Half Canadian

      September 26, 2019 at 2:29 PM

  2. Lion, Romney is constantly put on a pedestal for his presidential demeanor, gravitas and temperament by multitudes of Trump haters and even some Trump supporters like yourself. Truth is Romney is a dick. His “presidential demeanor” did little to help him in his own presidential bid and he would love nothing more than exact revenge against Trump, even though Trump had nothing to do with his failure. Btw you sometimes see earnest young Mormon men around the city of Vancouver, offering to save people’s souls. They are invariably clean cut, polite and pious and I’ve often wished more young people could try to model such behavior. It’s hard to believe that a snake in the grass like Romney is cut from the same cloth.

    Roli

    September 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM

    • Romney has a great demeanor, but he also hates Trump.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 25, 2019 at 3:14 PM

      • Romney made his fortune off of the sleazy business of private equity. The private equity business model: take over a company, load it up with debt, pay the private equity partners a huge dividend from that debt that more than surpasses the equity stake, leaving the company in precarious financial shape. At this point it doesn’t matter much whether the company succeeds or fails, the private equity partners have more than made their money back. Henry Hill, the mobster, and his cronies would do this all the time with restaurants and other small businesses whose owners got themselves into debt to the mob (see “Wiseguy”, Nicholas Pileggi). Hill and his cronies were rightly seen as criminals, as racketeers, but Romney is an exemplar to the Rockefeller/Cuck style Republican. The Republicans are worthless. Romney is nothing but a sleazy, Cuck punk. Any day, I would take Bernie Sanders over Mitt Romney. Any day.

        Daniel H

        September 25, 2019 at 6:46 PM

      • Romney is nothing but a sleazy, Cuck punk. Any day, I would take Bernie Sanders over Mitt Romney. Any day

        Tend to agree about Romney, but Sanders would further weaponize the big gov/central power parasites.

        Romney will take your money; but Sanders will take your money, put you in a box, and forget about you.

        bomag

        September 26, 2019 at 6:13 AM

      • @Daniel H:

        Not really accurate.

        Mobsters can do this (it was a plot point in the Sopranos as well) because the people extending the business credit — many of them financially unsophisticated suppliers/vendors and not financial institutions — don’t know that their loans are being used to pay off the Mob.

        But PE lenders do know they’re lending to PE. If they never made money off PE, they wouldn’t contribute funds to PE. Just as Hyman Roth lasted so long because “he always made money for his partners”, so PE wouldn’t still exist if other parties didn’t see returns from it. So no, you can’t lever a company up to >100% of its fair value, at least not consistently.

        If you want to criticize PE fairly, it’s that a lot of the time what they’re doing looks to me like a long-term insider trade. Find a company that may be undervalued, convince it to open its books to you as you study it, buy it and hold it for a few years, then IPO it again (often to the same shareholders), now with a lot more leverage. You basically just took value from those long-term shareholders who would have held onto the stock through that whole period. You didn’t really supply capital or do anything to make the business run better — you just transferred value, as Lion says.

        The other thing PE people do is take some pretty fat fees from the people who supply their equity, even when they’re not performing any better than an index fund.

        But there is also probably an economic benefit to PE though, or at least some PE firms. Levering a company up forces it to perform. It’s really difficult for shareholders to fire a CEO for mediocre (but not disastrous) performance year after year, but if that mediocre performance leads to bankruptcy, that CEO has a much better chance of losing his job. Or maybe the best economic use of a company’s assets really is to strip them and sell them off.

        I’ve heard people call companies with lots of post-LBO debt “zombie firms”, but this is stupid. The real zombie firms are inefficient companies with big cash balances but little profits and no great strategic direction that continue to pay their managements fat salaries. I’ve known a few. They basically operate like non-profits. And if it weren’t for PE, or some similar entity out there threatening to buy them, there would probably be a lot more companies like this.

        Wency

        September 26, 2019 at 8:36 AM

      • Wency said: The real zombie firms are inefficient companies with big cash balances but little profits and no great strategic direction that continue to pay their managements fat salaries. I’ve known a few. They basically operate like non-profits

        Have we gained anything if the former management’s fat salaries now become part of PE mega-profits?

        Looks like PE just harvests the difference in value between efficient and inefficient companies, speeding the consolidation process, and delivering no value to the economy.

        bomag

        September 27, 2019 at 10:12 PM

      • Daniel H,

        I don’t know how true this actually is. In private equity, all of the shares are bought and a company is taken private. The only shareholders left are…the private equity guys. The shareholders in the public domain have already been cashed out…usually at a profit.

        The company is loaded up with debt the same way a house is loaded up with a mortgage. Nobody is affected except the guy with the mortgage. Then, over time, the debt is converted into equity. Complaining about private equity is like complaining about a guy getting a second mortgage on a house he already owns.

        Frankly, I don’t buy that whole “Henry Hill” nonsense. The mob doesn’t loan money to small businesses and then runs up credit against equity they don’t have. That is all absurd. How is the small business owner going to fight the credit fraud and insurance fraud that inevitably follows something like this? They won’t.

        The mob finances other criminal activity. Loan sharks lend money to other criminals. If you need money for specialized drill equipment for a heist or money for illegal weapons…yes…the mob will finance that.

        The mob is not going to lend to Joe Blow because they could never collect.

        map

        September 28, 2019 at 12:34 AM

      • I mean, I can’t stand Mitt Romney, but I don’t think private equity is a valid line of attack.

        map

        September 28, 2019 at 12:36 AM

      • In private equity, all of the shares are bought and a company is taken private. The only shareholders left are…the private equity guys. The shareholders in the public domain have already been cashed out…usually at a profit.

        Wency points out that the PE guys find undervalued companies; buy them at the current value; then “harvest” the difference. The original shareholders could well have made a profit, but they should have gotten more. This PE strategy hurts those who use the buy and hold strategy; PE steps in and gets the gains earlier.

        The PE argument is that they shake up a moribund company; put in new management; and create value.

        bomag

        September 29, 2019 at 5:48 PM

      • MEH 0910

        October 21, 2019 at 3:32 AM

    • There will never, ever be a Mormon president. Mormonism is a heretical cult. The only way Romney could affect a presidential demeanor is with a pint of beer and a cigar.

      bobbybobbob

      September 25, 2019 at 8:09 PM

      • Do they believe Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God? I’m too lazy to look it up.

        gothamette

        September 26, 2019 at 6:07 PM

    • “Btw you sometimes see earnest young Mormon men around the city of Vancouver, offering to save people’s souls. They are invariably clean cut, polite and pious and I’ve often wished more young people could try to model such behavior.”

      Last week my stepdaughter found herself stranded at a truck stop outside of Buffalo with car trouble and very little money. The person whom she was on the way to meet in Buffalo was delayed at least a day getting there. I immediately left Long Island to come to her, but it’s about a nine-hour drive.

      As she waited hours in the middle of the night for my arrival, two clean-cut, polite Mormon men stayed with her so she wouldn’t be alone, and made sure she was safe … oh wait, they actually were a couple of rather smelly hippies in a graffiti-covered car who were passing through the area and had responded to her plea for assistance on a Rainbow Family forum. No joke.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      September 25, 2019 at 8:13 PM

      • “sistance on a Rainbow Family forum. No joke.”

        What’s a Rainbow Family forum?

        gothamette

        September 26, 2019 at 6:07 PM

    • “Lion, Romney is constantly put on a pedestal for his presidential demeanor, gravitas and temperament by multitudes of Trump haters and even some Trump supporters like yourself.”

      Romney is put on a pedestal because he’s very handsome in an old-fashioned Hollywood Charlton Heston style. No other reason. His so-called Presidential demeanor is an artifact of that.

      gothamette

      September 27, 2019 at 9:12 AM

      • He has good looks and a good demeanor. He LOOKS like a President, and he ACTS like a President. Although Huck tried to make that into a negative thing. Huck is the guy you have beer with, and Mitt is the guy who fired the guy you have beer with.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 27, 2019 at 9:19 AM

      • But it’s all based on his looks.

        If he acted the same way, had the same face, and was 5’2″ you’d laugh at him.

        gothamette

        September 27, 2019 at 9:33 AM

  3. Yeah they’re afraid. In 2016 no R pol here would mention Trump’s name, it was just all so horrible.

    Now it’s Trump all the time. “I’m with him!” Lol.

    This whole phenom has been amusing on so many levels. I do hope it ends well.

    Mrs Stitch

    September 25, 2019 at 1:46 PM

  4. Trump has made them look like fools once again and he does not even have to work that hard at it. It’s amazing how they shoot themselves in the foot each time.

    Someone

    September 25, 2019 at 1:52 PM

  5. The timing makes no sense even for the Republicans that hate Trump because we are still in first term. They remove him, he still easily wins the Republican nomination and probably better than 50% chance he’s back as President again come January of 2021. If they are going to try this, they’d wait till after the election. If Pelosi pushes now, there is no way Trump gets removed.

    FatDrunkAndStupid

    September 25, 2019 at 1:53 PM

    • I think Pelosi was pushed into this. The numbers of Democrats who favor impeachment have been steadily rising for most of the year, at least since the Mueller Report (or should I say in spite of the Mueller Report?). Eventually Pelosi was going to have to pull the trigger or face an uprising from her caucus. Her “impeachment inquiry” seems to come along at a weird time since it was announced before either the transcripts of the call or the whistleblower report were known. That simply may have had to do with the pressure she was getting and she just tried to attach it to the scandal of the week.

      Mike Street Station

      September 25, 2019 at 8:15 PM

    • Maybe their goal is to help foster a primary challenge. Or maybe they’re trying to weaken him during his second term. Or maybe this doesn’t have anything to do with removing or weakening Trump and their real goal is to get more Dem congressmen elected. I dunno. I’m just speculating that their real motive may not be obvious to us.

      destructure

      September 25, 2019 at 11:04 PM

    • Are you saying that even if Trump were impeached, convicted, and removed from office, and Pence took over, the Republicans would still renominate Trump in 2020? And he might win?

      njguy73

      September 25, 2019 at 11:31 PM

      • That he’d win the nomination is self evident. Trump’s approval among GOP voters has consistently hovered around 90% and him vs a dude like Pence wouldn’t even be a fair fight. I doubt Pence would be stupid enough to even try to challenge him and would instead serve again as his VP nominee. Once the nomination is secure, Trump would have the same roughly 50/50 chance of winning the general that he does now.

        PerezHBD

        September 26, 2019 at 10:03 AM

  6. 538.com noted today that the support for impeachment is rising among Democratic House members in swing districts that Trump either narrowly won or outright lost in 2016. These members are at big risk if there’s a pro-Trump backlash following a failed impeachment vote.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    September 25, 2019 at 2:55 PM

    • Not the ones who are in the districts Trump outright lost. Why would they be at risk?

      The ones who are in the districts Trump narrowly won are taking the risk. A bad one, I think.

      gothamette

      September 25, 2019 at 6:14 PM

  7. I don’t think this is even intended to remove Trump from office. The idea will be to have a long, slow impeachment hearing that airs every accusation in public for as long as possible. All of 2020 will be full of this stuff, day after day. It’ll tank his popularity enough to guarantee that the Democrats win the election.

    ack-acking

    September 25, 2019 at 3:33 PM

    • >>I don’t think this is even intended to remove Trump from office. The idea will be to have a long, slow impeachment hearing that airs every accusation in public for as long as possible.

      Agreed.

      Daniel H

      September 25, 2019 at 6:48 PM

    • Yes, the left really doesn’t want President Pence. (Am I the only one who thought this post, based on the title, would at least make a passing mention of Pence as President?) They see him as a figure straight out of The Handmaid’s Tale, who would execute gays and ban women from owning property.

      Hermes

      September 26, 2019 at 11:37 AM

      • Right, but I doubt Pence could get elected on his own. Pence is an 80’s style GOP politician, with Jesus and Reagan being the twin deities. That combination could have won years ago, but I think the country has moved on from that. I believe of all of the 2016 GOP nominees, only Trump could have won a national election, and that will be even more true in 2020. Demographics make it more difficult for Republicans to get elected anyway.

        Mike Street Station

        September 28, 2019 at 7:05 AM

      • You’re right that the only people who would vote for a Pence are cuckservatives, and the “American” electorate is now comprised of too high a percentage of aliens who have no affinity for pre-1960’s (or pre-2000’s, for that matter) America and are automatic Democrats.

        Hermes

        September 28, 2019 at 11:13 AM

  8. Unlike Trump, who fights tooth and nail, Romney won the first debate then laid down like a lamb in debate #2. Where do nice guys finish? Oh right. Last.

    Brendan

    September 25, 2019 at 4:03 PM

    • Net worth of $250 million, Senator For life if he wants it, he definitely hasn’t finished last.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 25, 2019 at 4:29 PM

    • Romney finished second, which was better than any other US citizen (heh heh heh).

      bomag

      September 26, 2019 at 6:42 AM

  9. I just read the transcript.

    First, It’s not a recording. It’s a recollection and note-taking from employees listening to the conversation:
    CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a
    discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty
    “Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned t_ listen and memorialize the conversation in written form
    as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect ‘the accuracy of the record,
    including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation.
    The word “inaudible” is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable
    to hear.

    Second, the bulk of the conversation was about Ukraine owning a Crowdstrike server, getting rid of their ambassador to the United States, and putting honest people into the Ukrainian government. Trump mentions that Biden is bragging about getting a Ukrainian prosecutor fired and Zelensky says that prosecutor was a good man.

    There is no mention of withholding any aid for a quid pro quo. That is a media lie. The Javelins mentioned in the transcript were scheduled to be delivered without incident.

    The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor
    who was very good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair.
    A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your
    very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people
    involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the
    mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to
    call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney
    General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening and he is a very
    capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The
    former ambassador from the United States, the woman was bad
    news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad
    news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing…
    There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the
    prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
    whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
    Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
    you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me.

    President Zelensky: I wanted to tell you about the
    prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I’m knowledgeable
    .about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in
    our Parliament; the next prosecutor general will be 100% my
    person, my candidate, who will be approved by the parliament and
    will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look.
    into the situation, specifically to the company that you
    mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the
    case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty
    so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation
    of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have
    any additional information that you can provide to µs, it would
    be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we
    administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador
    to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name
    was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told
    me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree·with you 100%.
    Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the
    previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept
    ee as a new President well enough.

    map

    September 25, 2019 at 4:46 PM

    • (Better format)

      I just read the transcript.

      First, It’s not a recording. It’s a recollection and note-taking from employees listening to the conversation: CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty “Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect ‘the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word “inaudible” is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the note taker was unable to hear.

      Second, the bulk of the conversation was about Ukraine owning a CrowdStrike server, getting rid of their ambassador to the United States, and putting honest people into the Ukrainian government. Trump mentions that Biden is bragging about getting a Ukrainian prosecutor fired and Zelensky says that prosecutor was a good man.

      There is no mention of withholding any aid for a quid pro quo. That is a media lie. The Javelins mentioned in the transcript were scheduled to be delivered without incident.

      The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing… There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me.

      President Zelensky: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I’m knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament; the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to µs, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree·with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.

      map

      September 25, 2019 at 4:51 PM

      • This sounds good for Trump.

        And if something about Biden’s son comes out that besmirches his rep, well, that’s good, too.

        gothamette

        September 25, 2019 at 6:15 PM

      • The stuff about CrowdStrike is just bat shit crazy. Trump apparently thinks CrowdStrike is a Ukrainian company. Actually CrowdStrike’s headquarters is right here in Silicon Valley. CrowdStrike is a VC funded startup company that went public recently. God knows what server Trump is talking about.

        Sounds like Trump has been spending too much time reading 8chan conspiracy theories from the same people that brought you Pizzagate.

        MikeCA

        September 25, 2019 at 7:33 PM

      • With regards to CrowdStrike, here’s what Trump was presumably referring to:

        https://www.voanews.com/usa/think-tank-cyber-firm-center-russian-hacking-charges-misread-data

        tl;dr is that they made up a story about Russia hacking the Ukrainian military which the Ukrainian military denied.

        NSFP

        September 25, 2019 at 11:17 PM

      • MikeCA,

        “The stuff about CrowdStrike is just bat shit crazy. Trump apparently thinks CrowdStrike is a Ukrainian company.”

        The founder of CrowdStrike is a Ukrainian National and Ukraine was recruited by the deep state to push the “Russian narrative.” He probably sent an image of Hillary’s server to his compatriots in the old country. You know…for insurance purposes.

        map

        September 26, 2019 at 2:40 AM

      • “The stuff about CrowdStrike is just bat shit crazy. Trump apparently thinks CrowdStrike is a Ukrainian company. ”

        The Justice Department is investigating the origins of the counterintelligence probe. Crowdstrike is part of that. To me, that’s the most important part of the call.

        Mike Street Station

        September 26, 2019 at 6:15 AM

      • I have done some research on where the Ukrainian/CrowdStrike connection comes from. Apparently it started on 4chan.

        Some posters began investigating CrowdStrike and discovered that the CTO and co-founder, Dmitri Alperovitch, had worked with the Atlantic Council think tank. The Atlantic Council is a 4chan villain and so CrowdStrike quickly became the villain that must have planted the evidence of Russian hacking. The Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk is on the Atlantic Council’s International Advisory Board and he is another 4chan villain. The CTO of CrowdStrike, Dmitri Alperovitch, is a Russian American. He was born in Moscow and immigrated to the US in his teens. Somehow the fact that Alperovitch had worked with the Atlantic Council and Pinchuk is connected with the Atlantic Council convinced 4chan posters that CrowdStrike was a Ukrainian company. The conspiracy threads on 4chan began to describe CrowdStrike as a Ukrainian company in March 2017.

        Trump gave an interview to the AP in April 2017 in which he claimed the DNC brought in a Ukrainian company to look at the servers rather than turning them over to the FBI.Trump must have picked up that incorrect information from someone reading 4chan.

        Trump apparently has not figured out that CrowdStrike is an American company with a Russian/American CTO.

        MikeCA

        September 26, 2019 at 7:29 PM

      • Youtube reporter Tim Pool, who is very thorough, couldn’t understand why the Dems were so worked up about this. It’s not a whistleblower, it’s someone passing along something he heard somewhere. Rumours in other words.

        Tim is not a Trump fan, he’s a Democrat. So I trust him, since he is not prone to wishful thinking. But not crazy left. He despises the crazy left because they make the left look bad.

        Frau Katze

        September 27, 2019 at 1:22 AM

      • MikeCA,

        “Trump gave an interview to the AP in April 2017 in which he claimed the DNC brought in a Ukrainian company to look at the servers rather than turning them over to the FBI.Trump must have picked up that incorrect information from someone reading 4chan.”

        The FBI never examined those servers. They relied entirely on the CrowdStrike examination and reporting.

        map

        September 27, 2019 at 3:20 AM

      • Here is the documentation.

        Yes, that is correct. The FBI and DOJ were only allowed to see a “draft” report prepared by Crowdstrike, and that report was redacted… and that redacted draft is the “last version of the report produced”; meaning, there are no unredacted & final versions.

        map

        September 27, 2019 at 3:22 AM

      • “The FBI never examined those servers.”

        Do you really think the FBI has the expertise to examine those servers? Did the FBI ever ask to examine the servers? I don’t think so.

        But that is not the point. CrowdStrike is an American company with a Russian/American CTO. Posters on 4chan somehow convinced themselves that CrowdStrike was a Ukrainian company. In 2017 Trump gave an interview where he said CrowdStrike was a Ukrainian company. He obviously still thinks CrowdStrike is a Ukrainian company.

        Somebody who follows 4chan conspiracies planted this idea in Trumps mind in 2017 and he still believes this fantasy.

        MikeCA

        September 27, 2019 at 2:24 PM

      • MikeCA

        “The FBI never examined those servers.

        Do you really think the FBI has the expertise to examine those servers? Did the FBI ever ask to examine the servers? I don’t think so.”
        _______________________________________________________________________________________

        Yes, The FBI does have expertise to do this. Companies like OpenText EnCase Forensics and Accessdata have been supplying computer forensic software and training to the Feds for the last 25 years. The BTK killer was discovered through computer forensics used by the FBI.

        https://accessdata.com/
        https://www.opentext.com/products-and-solutions/products/security/digital-forensics

        The FBI calls them the CART division.

        The DNC did not allow the FBI access to the servers and the existence of Democrat hacks all over the FBI.
        ______________________________________________________________________________________

        “But that is not the point. CrowdStrike is an American company with a Russian/American CTO. Posters on 4chan somehow convinced themselves that CrowdStrike was a Ukrainian company. In 2017 Trump gave an interview where he said CrowdStrike was a Ukrainian company. He obviously still thinks CrowdStrike is a Ukrainian company.”
        ______________________________________________________________________________________

        CrowdStrike is an international, globalist company, probably with its corporate identity domiciled in Ireland or the Seychelles. It is “American” in the same way Google and Apple is “American”: It’s just a bunch of paperwork. I don’t consider “paperwork Americans” to be real Americans and I don’t consider a “paper American corporation” do be a real American company.

        What CrowdStrike obviously is is some sort of shell entity probably engaged in corrupt and criminal activites and it should be thoroughly investigated, right? What, are companies now above the law?
        _______________________________________________________________________________________

        Somebody who follows 4chan conspiracies planted this idea in Trumps mind in 2017 and he still believes this fantasy.
        _______________________________________________________________________________________

        4Chan does far better investigative work than WaPo. With WaPo, all you get are Democrat Party press releases.

        map

        September 27, 2019 at 10:48 PM

      • “Do you really think the FBI has the expertise to examine those servers? Did the FBI ever ask to examine the servers? I don’t think so.”

        Answer to the first question obviously is yes. Answer to the second question is yes they did.

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-comey-agency-requested-access-to-dnc-servers/

        Saying that this Crowdstrike connection is something from 4chan makes me think that you are getting your info from leftie blogs and have totally blocked out any actual news from the last three years. Well here is some real news: In May AG Barr announced a DOJ investigation into the origins of the FBI counterintelligence probe to investigate the Trump campaign. Since the DNC hacking is part of that probe, the suspicious aspect of the FBI never being allowed to examine the servers is being investigated, and it seems clear from the transcripts that’s why Trump wants Zelensky to cooperate with our Attorney General on Crowdstrike.

        Mike Street Station

        September 28, 2019 at 7:14 AM

  10. What law did Trump allegedly violate?
    Any lawyer out there?

    Democrats are outraged but the signal to noise ratio is zero. All I’ve heard is that Trump has violated “longstanding principles.” Are those “principles” somewhere in a statute?

    Although Clinton’s impeachment was nonsense, it was clear that perjury was the allegation.

    WRB

    September 25, 2019 at 5:48 PM

    • The constitution says the grounds for impeachment are “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.” The phrase “other high crimes and misdemeanors” was used because the authors of the constitution recognized that public officials can find ways to abuse their office that no one has thought to make criminal by passing a law against it. It basically means abuse of power.

      The president, judge or other government official can be impeached and removed from office for abuse of power even if congress has not yet made the specific thing he did criminal. Impeachment and removal is not a criminal process, it is a political process.

      Some people argue that you need both a criminal violation and an abuse of power for impeachment and removal. Nixon certainly did both. Clinton violate perjury laws, but it was not an abuse of his presidential powers.

      In this case, it clearly is an abuse of presidential power, but there may be no specific crime involved.

      MikeCA

      September 25, 2019 at 11:09 PM

      • Tell us MikeCA, who pays you to come here and regurgitate Democrat talking points? You must be pretty low on the totem poll at the DNC to get stuck policing Lion’s blog (no offense Lion!). Fortunately, almost everyone here knows you’re just a blowhard propagandist. Though I can’t decide if you’re some 20-something paid operative, or a retired old Communist windbag.

        peterike

        September 26, 2019 at 10:03 AM

      • I find MikeCA’s participation in this blog pretty suspicious, although he did answer this type of question once.

        https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2019/03/06/is-mikeca-a-real-person/

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 26, 2019 at 10:16 AM

      • “The phrase “other high crimes and misdemeanors” was used because the authors of the constitution recognized that public officials can find ways to abuse their office that no one has thought to make criminal by passing a law against it.”

        Or maybe “crime” refers to the dictionary definition of the word “crime,” i.e. an action that is against the law. See:

        https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/369122-can-a-president-be-impeached-for-non-criminal-conduct

        Anonymous

        September 26, 2019 at 11:29 AM

      • There is no abuse of power in Trump’s case. He is charged with executing the laws of the United States, one of those laws being the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Calling for an investigation of Joe Biden/Hunter Biden is perfectly reasonable when there is evidence of criminal activity: Joe threatening to withhold funds agreed upon to Ukraine in exchange for firing some local prosecutor. The substance and circumstance of this act is well within the purview of the executive branch.

        Unless you believe in the WaPo fantasy of Joe Biden and his Superfriends flying around trying to stamp out corruption.

        map

        September 27, 2019 at 10:53 PM

    • Translation: we couldn’t get the bastard for the other vague Russian thing, so we’ll get him for this vague Russian thing.

      I’m not letting this drive me crazy.

      I think the real goal is to take down Biden.

      Trump is nearly bulletproof. Every man has an Achilles heel. What is Trump’s? It’s not drugs, it’s not sex. What is it?

      I think, vanity. What do y’all think?

      gothamette

      September 27, 2019 at 9:16 AM

      • “Translation: we couldn’t get the bastard for the other vague Russian thing, so we’ll get him for this vague Russian thing.”

        I think the second “Russian” you meant “Ukrainian” 🙂

        “Every man has an Achilles heel. What is Trump’s?”

        Trump is politically naive, impulsive and unable to control himself, and the powerful fakestream media hates him.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 27, 2019 at 9:20 AM

      • I was thinking of the CEO of Crowdstrike.

        Anyway, Americans don’t know the difference. If it’s vague, it’s Russian.

        gothamette

        September 27, 2019 at 9:32 AM

  11. A minor recent item on Pence that may or may not be true. If it is it makes him look bad, but it”s still minor. I bet the people who live on the island are 100% car dependent when they’re off it, so they have no sympathy from me and the story might not be true anyway.

    https://usa.streetsblog.org/2019/09/23/pence-commits-vehicular-home-cide/

    Blockhead Island

    September 25, 2019 at 6:16 PM

  12. President Pence, ha. Pence is a worthless Cuck. I would just as soon have Elizabeth Warren as president.

    Daniel H

    September 25, 2019 at 6:49 PM

  13. My prediction: in 100-200 years Mormons of the future will not recognize Mormons of 2024. Mormons will go the way that the dissenting Christian sects of New England and old world Jewry went. They will become unabashedly liberal and worldly, having turned away from Scripture. Why? Economic, social and political success. The ghetto preserves the faith, the world undermines it. The Puritans – ancestors of today’s hyper liberal Unitarians – hung witches in the 17th century. In the 18th century, for old world Jews, the entire world outside the ghetto/shtetl was an abomination.

    It’s been several decades since the Mormons began venturing out of their desert ghetto oasis. They are now successful and acclaimed in all areas (even Hollywood. Apparently there is a Mormon “mafia” in Hollywood), and becoming more so (Much like old world Jews, Mormons slough off those that don’t get with the program, those who can’t keep up. They tell the Jack Mormon screw ups to shove off). Additionally, Mormons pick up converts here and there from minority groups, but the converts they pick up tend to the more successful, intelligent and on the ball ones, and intermarriage between Mormons and non-Mormons is a growing phenomenom, resulting in a watered down Mormon theology but a strong and cohesive Mormon social framework. Future Mormons will laugh away the Book of Mormon as they will laugh away the New Testament and Old Testament. Their theology will be Globo/Homo. I worry. Mormons are already determined enemies of the proles and as time goes by they will only grow more determined and powerful. The future doesn’t look good for proles.

    Daniel H

    September 26, 2019 at 12:37 AM

  14. As a black man, I believe we need to help democrats impeach trump and replace him with a black man.

    The Social Justice Warrior

    September 26, 2019 at 7:24 AM

  15. Trump will be removed from office, because McConnell believes that Pence is more electable in 2020 than Trump.

    Pence will give the nation open borders, illegal vaping and Iran in ruins. He will be elected in 2020.

    I’m not sure this wasn’t basically the plan from day one.

    It’s actually amazing they let Trump last as long as he did.

    Paul Rise

    September 26, 2019 at 7:48 AM

    • Like I said, I can see some Republicans thinking something like that, but they would be wrong about Pence being more electable. Could Pence win the support of white proles in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin? Republicans of a similar mold (like George W Bush) lost those states.

      Furthermore, it’s no guarantee Pence would win the nomination. Ted Cruz was very popular in 2016.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 26, 2019 at 8:20 AM

      • If the vote is (or were) secret, 100% trump would be removed by the senate.

        If the vote is not secret, less than 10% chances, and 0% if there is not something else very big coming out against Orange Man …

        Bruno

        September 26, 2019 at 5:29 PM

    • @ Paul

      You are profoundly wrong. McConnell wants to win the next presidential election, not create a monumental fiasco and alienate half of Republican voters.

      I am not sure what world you live in, but it must not be the real one. The Republicans don’t have a “plan” for anything. They literally run on “muh country” every election. Why do you think they were so hapless when Trump walked in and ruined their shit?

      Lowe

      September 26, 2019 at 10:58 AM

    • “I use the word “probably,” because I am sure that there are a lot of Republican Senators who would prefer President Pence to President Trump”

      Everyone would like the idiot gone, we just need to rip the band aide off.

      All the crazy autocrat stuff Trump does will come back to bite the country in the future. We already see it with Kamala Harris running for Prime Minster

      Lion of the Turambar

      September 26, 2019 at 1:05 PM

      • Everyone profiting off the blood of innocents definitely want him gone.

        Andrew E.

        September 26, 2019 at 5:01 PM

  16. Trump approval at >50% and Republican approval at 95%. LOL at the idea that he will be impeached and removed or even impaired politically by all this.

    Andrew E.

    September 26, 2019 at 8:34 AM

  17. Oh…and a Mitt Romney advisor was on the board of Burisma…wow.

    It all comes together.

    map

    September 26, 2019 at 5:54 PM

  18. LA Times that was the only accurate poll in 2016 has Biden at 28, Warren at 11 and Sanders at 13. Very different from the Economist, 26-27-16, that was completely and utterly wrong .

    Bruno

    September 26, 2019 at 6:06 PM

  19. John Solomon’s latest confirms what we already knew. Biden’s narrative is all lies. Burisma’s (Hunter Biden’s pay for play) own US legal time wrote to the Ukraine govt. in Spring 2016 to apologize for the false stories in the US about the Ukraine prosecutor being fired (at Biden’s insistence) for being corrupt (as Biden says). And the Ukraine prosecutor has testified under oath in European courts that he was fired for investigating Burisma. Haha.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story#.XY02ewYDEV8.twitter

    Andrew E.

    September 26, 2019 at 6:45 PM

    • First, John Solomon has been the goto journalist for Republican opposition researchers. He will take whatever they give him and turn out stories with the spin they want on the facts. His stories frequently do not hold up because the opposition researchers feed him cherry picked documents.

      The most interesting part of this article is that he has interviewed Shokin, the fired Ukrainian Prosecutor General. The British blamed Shokin for the collapse of their fraud/money laundering case against Zlochevsky, the Burisma head. Now Shokin blames the British for the failure of his Ukrainian investigation of Zlochevsky.

      Other sources in Ukraine have said that Shokin investigation of Zlochevsky went dormant after the collapse of the British case in 2015. Shokin claims to Solomon that the investigation was still active in 2016, but I guess even a dormant investigation is still active so I’m not sure what this means.

      The prosecutor who replaced Shokin in 2016 reactivated the investigation of Zlochevsky, but eventually cleared him.

      This article also talks about a tax case against Burisma, which is something different than fraud investigation against Zlochevsky.

      MikeCA

      September 26, 2019 at 9:36 PM

      • Point 1: Solomon is merely confirming something we already knew (because we have functioning brains)
        Point 2: It’s nice to have hundreds of documents to point to during the military tribunals

        Andrew E.

        September 26, 2019 at 10:31 PM

      • Here is a Washington Post story on John Solomon.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-a-conservative-columnist-helped-push-a-flawed-ukraine-narrative/2019/09/26/1654026e-dee7-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

        He is apparently leaving the Hill to start his own online media venture. The WP points out that Solomon’s stories were referenced in the whistleblower complaint as part of the narrative Trump was creating to pressure Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden. The WP also points out that some of Solomon’s stories from March have not held up very well. Lutsenko, the Ukrainian prosecutor that replaced Shokin, retracted some of the claims he had made to Solomon in April and May. He had told Solomon that the Obama administration Ambassador to Ukraine had given him a do-not-prosecute list. He retracted that claim after the US State Department vigorously denied it. In May Lutsenko admitted there was no evidence Joe or Hunter Bidden had done anything wrong.

        It appears that Trump and Giuliani have been working on the Ukrainian angle for some time. I have seen some speculation that the original purpose of this was to dig up something that could be used as a pretext to pardon Paul Manafort. They just stumbled on the Joe and Hunter Bidden angle and decided to run with that. The operation was using John Solomon as the vehicle to get their narratives into media. Solomon would write their stories up and then go on Fox News and talk about the stories.

        Apparently having Solomon named in the whistleblower complaint was too much for the Hill, so Solomon is moving on again.

        MikeCA

        September 27, 2019 at 2:14 PM

      • The Ukrainians approached Guiliani, not vice versa. And it’s just beginning.

        Andrew E.

        September 27, 2019 at 4:28 PM

      • MikeCa,

        1) “Solomon’s stories were referenced in the whistleblower complaint as part of the narrative Trump was creating to pressure Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden.”

        There is no evidence of pressure anywhere. So this is just another lie.

        2) “Lutsenko, the Ukrainian prosecutor that replaced Shokin, retracted some of the claims he had made to Solomon in April and May. He had told Solomon that the Obama administration Ambassador to Ukraine had given him a do-not-prosecute list. He retracted that claim after the US State Department vigorously denied it.”

        You mean, after the State Department threatened him? If Joe Biden can withhold money to force a government to fire someone, what makes you think this did not happen here, as well?

        3) “In May Lutsenko admitted there was no evidence Joe or Hunter Bidden had done anything wrong.” I’m sure the State Department “vigorously denied” this as well. “Vigorous denying” must be a very effective form of diplomatic action out there. Yeah…all these stories mysteriously change as soon as Foggy Bottom rears its head.

        4) “It appears that Trump and Giuliani have been working on the Ukrainian angle for some time. I have seen some speculation that the original purpose of this was to dig up something that could be used as a pretext to pardon Paul Manafort. They just stumbled on the Joe and Hunter Bidden angle and decided to run with that. The operation was using John Solomon as the vehicle to get their narratives into media.”

        And this is all perfectly reasonable and above-board. And Joe Biden went on camera and bragged about withholding money from the Ukrainian government unless a certain prosecutor was fired. You can see it on video…confirming to Trump and Giuliani that they are on the right track.

        But, no, you want to believe that Biden and his Superfriends were flying all over the world stamping out corruption.

        map

        September 27, 2019 at 11:28 PM

      • “. His stories frequently do not hold up because the opposition researchers feed him cherry picked documents.”

        Are you talking about John Solomon or the combined newsrooms of The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, and NBC/MSNBC? All of there news departments were wrong on Russia Collusion for the past 2 1/2 years. Solomon has a better track record for accuracy than they do.

        Mike Street Station

        September 28, 2019 at 7:22 AM

    • This is such a pantload.

      Biden was merely the White House’s hatchet man. Biden wants to puff up his chest, and take credit (like a rooster for causing the sun to rise), but he’s still a lowly VP. The prosecutor was on the US and Europe’s shit-list. The problem with younger Biden’s company is that it had ties to the previous pro-Russian government — no surprise fora gas company. Shokin, the corrupt prosecutor who Biden insisted on removing, helped Hunter’s boss save tens of millions of dollars.

      This whole thing is a whackadoo misdirection. Apart from Trump’s gangsterism, it’s disturbing how prone he is to wild conspiracy thinking. Obama’s born in Kenya. Cruz’s dad may have had something to do with the Kennedy assassination. It’s all bullshit and lies.

      After all, this is the guy who called Bill Clinton’s accusers “losers,” then held a Wrestlemania-style press conference with them before the debate.

      Vince

      September 27, 2019 at 2:47 PM

      • “The problem with younger Biden’s company is that it had ties to the previous pro-Russian government“

        The problem for younger Biden’s company is that they had a prosecutor investigating them. An investigation cut short because of Swamp Man Joe. Biden interfered with another governments corruption investigation. That suggests Joe is not only corrupt himself but unfit to hold higher office.

        Curle

        September 27, 2019 at 10:26 PM

    • MikeCA,

      “First, John Solomon has been the goto journalist for Republican opposition researchers. He will take whatever they give him and turn out stories with the spin they want on the facts. His stories frequently do not hold up because the opposition researchers feed him cherry picked documents.”

      So? And the WashPo has been the go to journalism for the Left for 60 years and cherry picks it’s facts as well: See Mueller Report. What’s your point?

      “The most interesting part of this article is that he has interviewed Shokin, the fired Ukrainian Prosecutor General. The British blamed Shokin for the collapse of their fraud/money laundering case against Zlochevsky, the Burisma head. Now Shokin blames the British for the failure of his Ukrainian investigation of Zlochevsky.”

      The British…had a “case”…against Zlochevsky. How did the British have any standing at all? Why are they involved? Why is this minor figure being targeted by several major governments? Does he know where bodies are buried?

      “Other sources in Ukraine have said that Shokin investigation of Zlochevsky went dormant after the collapse of the British case in 2015. Shokin claims to Solomon that the investigation was still active in 2016, but I guess even a dormant investigation is still active so I’m not sure what this means.”

      Exactly, you don’t know what this means because it makes no sense. British involvement makes no sense. American involvement makes no sense. Neither makes sense in the story they want to spin. What exactly was the “nature” of this case-collapse? Where did it go wrong? Notice how their nothing to detail any of this out. All of this for a $23 million fraud.

      If Burisma was corrupt, how did its unique corruption warrant the involvement of the Vice President? If this corruption investigation did warrant Vice Presidential involvement, then why was Hunter Biden put on the board and paid $50,000 a month? The obvious answer is Burisma was trying to purchase political cover for its illegal activities…and the Biden family was willing to play ball. What other answer is there?

      All of this is grounds for an investigation.

      map

      September 27, 2019 at 11:08 PM

      • “The British…had a “case”…against Zlochevsky. How did the British have any standing at all? Why are they involved?”

        In March 2014 shortly after the fall of the Yanukovych government in Ukraine, the British discovered Zlochevsky had $23 million in British banks. They froze those assets claiming it was Ukrainian government money that Zlochevsky had stolen while he was a minister in the Yanukovych government. In 2015 the British courts unfroze those assets because the UK government had provided no evidence that the money was stolen. The British blamed Shokin for not providing the documentation on the origin of this money.

        “If Burisma was corrupt, how did its unique corruption warrant the involvement of the Vice President?”

        The failure of the British case against Zlochevsky is one of the things that convinced the UK, IMF, EU bank and the US that Shokin was corrupt, but it was not the only thing. He apparently fired some prosecutors who tried to purse corruption cases. When Joe Biden went to Ukraine in 2016 to encourage them to get serious about corruption and fire Shokin, there were articles in the press that pointed out that Hunter Biden was working with Zlochevsky, and that diluted Joe Biden’s message.

        Hunter Biden is kind of the black sheep of the Biden family. He and his business dealing have been an embarrassment to Joe Biden for a long time. However Hunter Biden is not running for any political office. When Joe Biden got Shokin removed, the next prosecutor re-activated the Zlochevsky investigation and eventually reached a settlement with him (after Trump took office.) Joe Biden did not press for Shokin’s removal because his son was working with Zlochevsky. He pressed for Shokin’s removal because it was US policy, regardless of the consequences for his son.

        Trump is simply taking the known facts and turning them all upside down to try to smear Joe Biden.

        MikeCA

        September 28, 2019 at 12:16 PM

      • MikeCA,

        1) You wrote:

        “In March 2014 shortly after the fall of the Yanukovych government in Ukraine, the British discovered Zlochevsky had $23 million in British banks. They froze those assets claiming it was Ukrainian government money that Zlochevsky had stolen while he was a minister in the Yanukovych government.”

        On what basis did the British have a claim to freeze this money? They just assumed guilt by association and randomly froze Zlochevsky’s assets? Were they freezing the assets of everyone involved in the Yanukovych government or only the assets of oligarchs associated with Hunter Biden?

        2) You wrote:

        “In 2015 the British courts unfroze those assets because the UK government had provided no evidence that the money was stolen.”

        So the British assumed guilt without evidence and had to be slapped down by a British court. But where did they get the idea to freeze these assets in the first place? Did Joe Biden ask the British to freeze Zlochevsky’s assets?

        3) You wrote:

        “The British blamed Shokin for not providing the documentation on the origin of this money.”

        I see…so the British blamed Shokin for not proving a negative….that the money was not stolen…making Shokin corrupt for protecting stolen money. Besides, the burden of proof is on the British, not on Shokin.

        4) You wrote:

        “When Joe Biden went to Ukraine in 2016 to encourage them to get serious about corruption and fire Shokin, there were articles in the press that pointed out that Hunter Biden was working with Zlochevsky, and that diluted Joe Biden’s message.”

        OH??? What exactly was Hunter Biden working on with Zlochevsky? Lines of coke?

        5) You wrote:

        “Joe Biden did not press for Shokin’s removal because his son was working with Zlochevsky. He pressed for Shokin’s removal because it was US policy, regardless of the consequences for his son.”

        Riiigghhtttt…so Hunter Biden being on the board of directors of a Ukrainian gas company was completely organic and independent of Joe Biden’s influence. Does Hunter Biden speak fluent Ukrainian? Does he have massive experience in the oil and gas industry? Is he a forensic accountant? Does he have any experience that would reasonably get him that position independent of his father’s influence?

        The answer is no.

        So let’s fill in the blanks of this laughable Washington Post narrative.

        Hunter Biden was working with Zlochevsky to use Burisma as a front for laundering money. This includes payoffs from the Ukrainian government, rerouting American foreign aid into personal accounts, and probably outright theft of items like Ukrainian gold. Zlochevsky, however, got greedy. He wanted more payola and he threatened Hunter Biden with exposure. Hunter Biden tells Joe Biden, who then goes to the British government and has them freeze Zlochevsky’s assets to help Hunter Biden regain leverage. In addition, Joe Biden tries to pressure Shokin to open a corruption investigation against Zlochevsky to gain additional leverage, but Shokin does not play ball. Joe Biden then pressures the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin and bring in a prosecutor who will actually fabricate a corruption case against Zlochevsky. Once Zlochevsky is brought to heel, then a “settlement” is reached.

        This structure is repeated, btw, with the Chinese and probably a dozen other countries. This is how Obama and Clinton got paid off, when the illegal proceeds are further laundered as speaking fees and book sales to former presidents.

        That is why a formal investigation of these activities is needed, if only to properly exonerate the Bidens of any wrongdoing. This will happen once Biden falls behind Warren in the polls. Then we will see how loyal a Democrat Biden really is.

        map

        September 28, 2019 at 4:17 PM

      • “Does he have massive experience in the oil and gas industry?”

        Hunter Biden knows a lot about gas because his father is a real gasbag.

        But seriously… of all the things in the world Hunter Biden might be doing, being a director for $50,000/month in a Ukrainian oil and gas company, and his father just happens to also be involved getting the prosecutor investigating that same company fired, way too much of a coincidence to just be a coincidence. NO WAY is that just a coincidence.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 28, 2019 at 5:06 PM

      • Burisma’s own U.S. legal team wrote to the Ukrainians after Shokin was fired to APOLOGIZE for the false stories in the US press about Shokin being fired for corruption.

        Burisma to Ukraine: “Yes, Shokin’s firing was unpleasant and it was instigated by lies. We admit it. But it’s over now, the new guy is in, let’s see if we can make a deal suitable to everyone and move on with our lives.”

        Andrew E.

        September 28, 2019 at 7:25 PM

  20. Lion, so what was the evolutionary process that selected for people to want oral sex? I mean lions aren’t into, what happened to humans?

    Yakov

    September 26, 2019 at 6:49 PM

    • Humans are more interested in sex than other mammals. Most female mammals are receptive only when they’re in heat. And males are only interested in females in heat.

      Sex seems to have become recreational in humans. Maybe it helps with pair bonding. Totally wild guess.

      Frau Katze

      September 27, 2019 at 1:33 AM

  21. How is it right for My Biden’s son, a man who has no knowledge of Ukraine or its language, who knows nothing about the oil and gas industry, and doesn’t appear to even have any business expertise, how is it possible for him to get a top executive job with this company earning something like 50,000 dollars a month? And Ukraine is supposed to be a poor country! His exorbitant salary was taken from the gas bills of poor Ukrainians. What a greedy bastard! And his dad is supposed to believe in “social justice” and equality. Clearly he hasn’t been very successful in convincing his son. Or maybe the elder Biden is just another leftist hypocrite, making sure his own family benefits from him having the right connections and being able to pull strings, whilst expecting everyone else to play by the rules. His cunt of a son earned more in a month for doing fuck all than most hard working stiffs would earn in a year. And Biden expects people to vote for him and his version of equality! Fat chance of that. His goose is cooked.

    martin2

    September 27, 2019 at 4:08 PM

    • Apparently this is business as usual with politicians (of all parties). American citizens can’t complain because it’s no loss to them. Biden himself probably couldn’t accept favours (there are rules about bribery). But it seems there’s a loophole here.

      None of the commentary I’ve read has focused on this. Well, somewhere (can’t remember where) said his son was a “wastrel.” I think it might have been a user comment on an article. A bit strong language for the press. Or maybe it was on the Wild Youtube West.

      This is why so many people don’t trust politicians at all. And explains how someone like Ralph Nader (lived like a monk his whole life) managed to get a few votes when he used to run for President. (I think he’s still alive but must quite elderly.)

      Frau Katze

      September 27, 2019 at 7:34 PM

      • This is a huge loss for Americans.

        This means that Biden is using his office to enrich a family member. Meanwhile, foreign countries are gaining back-door access to the Executive Branch of the US government.

        And what are foreign countries doing with that access? Using it to undermine the United States. Using it to get softball deals on trade, immigration, military matters, diplomacy, etc. Basically, Biden and his Democrats were all busy selling out the American people.

        map

        September 28, 2019 at 4:34 AM

    • Because it is clear that the Bidens were profiting off of this corruption and were facilitating it for the benefit of other people as well.

      The Bidens were point men for a massive fraud that was slowly coming under investigation by a Ukrainian prosecutor. Joe Biden steps in to protect his son.

      That is the only story that makes sense.

      map

      September 27, 2019 at 11:36 PM

      • “That is the only story that makes sense.”

        Except the prosecutor may have been motivated by anti-NATO pro-Russian bias and less so by a desire to reduce corruption. But, so what? Pro-Russian prosecutors, if he was pro-Russian, can prosecute crimes just as well as pro-NATO prosecutors. That’s why dirty Joe had to bribe the Ukrainians to send him packing.

        Curle

        September 28, 2019 at 5:13 PM


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