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Captain Kirk’s potbelly

Dave Marinaccio, author of All I Really Need to Know I Learned from Watching Star Trek, writes:

James T. Kirk is the model ship’s captain. He’s always in fighting shape. He has to be to handle the 2.5 fights per episode. Yet, there it is right in front of us. And right in front of him. A potbelly. Not your five nights a week at Dunkin’ Donuts New York City Police Department potbelly. But a very comfortable, let’s not push back from the table just yet potbelly.

O.K., on Kirk it looks good. Of course on Kirk everything looks good. From the pointy sideburns to the uniform to the pointy-toed boots. But the potbelly is special. NO question about it, it belongs there. Apparently, in the twenty-third century people will be at ease with their bodies.

I get a little bit of a gay vibe from that (not that there’s anything wrong with being gay), but according to his Wikipedia entry, “In the book, he explains how he is able to date hot young women by using the lesson he learned from Captain Kirk,” and that sounds pretty hetero to me.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 26, 2019 at 10:35 AM

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  1. I have a theory that more men than women have eating disorders in our current society. I’m sorry but it just is not normal or healthy (mentally and possibly physically) to turn your body into a roided up, or roided up looking monster through brutal exercise and diet. Particularly if one’s job does not require monstrous strength. The other day I was in line at top tomato behind a guy who made arnold in his prime look like a mouse. I wanted to tap his inhumanly bulked arm and politely inquire, ‘why?’ He was buying soy sauce and scallions.

    If a man severely alters his body through extreme diet and exercise we call it healthy. If a woman does the same we call her anorexic or exercise bulemic.

    The irony is most women with eating disorders aren’t even deathly thin. Even anorexics are often normal bmi or borderline underweight bmi. A lot of bulimics are fat.

    toomanymice

    September 26, 2019 at 11:09 AM

    • To be considered attractive, women only need to watch their calorie intake and engage in moderate exercise (walking, light jogging, bicycle).
      In order for a man to be considered “hot” and ripped to Hollywood standards, he would need to overhaul his diet and exercise regime and spend hours at the gym (something most men do not have the leisure or money to do).
      Looking at old movies, this was not always the case; the leading actor was fit and trim, but not ripped.

      markus

      September 26, 2019 at 11:41 AM

      • And Shatner was pretty bulky and muscular (especially for the 1960s), but not ripped.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 26, 2019 at 3:47 PM

      • I never liked guys that ripped. I liked just the normal lean young guy look that used to be the norm. Got your whole life to bulk up.

        But I’m old. I guess young women now conform their preferences to the gay body ideal because that’s what they do.

        Mrs Stitch

        September 26, 2019 at 6:43 PM

      • There are men who are born mesomorphs, so working out doesn’t require a gym rat cycle.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM

    • That guy was probably a bouncer, or had an application in to some Sheriff’s office. If I was going into law enforcement, I’d get as strong as possible too. Only way to intimidate the Schvarz. .

      Marty

      September 26, 2019 at 12:30 PM

    • Getting and maintaining that extremely muscular look is much more a matter of diet than of exercise. Building muscle is comparatively easy and can be fun, getting down into single-digit body fat percentages is very very difficult and absolutely not fun. Big muscles without low body fat don’t look impressive.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      September 26, 2019 at 3:22 PM

      • This guy looks impressive, although I wouldn’t say that he looks especially attractive:

        This guy looked impressive while he was alive:

        He’s dead now. He died while filming an energy commercial. He tried to outrun a freight train, but it turned out that he was just a wee bit too slow. So he ended up getting flattened.

        Stan Adams

        September 26, 2019 at 5:04 PM

    • I have a tendency to eat too much, so I do a stupid amount of cardio in the gym to burn it off. At the moment I’m giving the weights a rest so I’m doing 5 sessions of cardio five times a week and burning off about 4,500 calories. I call it ‘exercise bulemia’ but of course It’s a lot more socially acceptable than making yourself sick, and I do have a very low resting heart rate.

      I am not one of those people who can feel comfortable being fat. When I see myself in the mirror overweight, I simply cannot accept looking like that and have to do something about it because it drives me to distraction. I guess people who can ‘accept themselves’ are mentally healthier than me, but I wouldn’t change even if I could, because I don’t want to be someone who accepts himself being fat any more than Lion’s Indian friends should accept their body odour as some kind of Dharmic principle.

      prolier than thou

      September 26, 2019 at 3:29 PM

  2. Why isn’t there any blacks in Star Trek? In Lord of the Rings they literally had hundreds of them playing Orcs and now we have to talk about a damn white people show from the 70s.

    The Social Justice Warrior

    September 26, 2019 at 11:13 AM

    • Lt. Uhura is black.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 26, 2019 at 11:47 AM

      • The Romulans were black. They all looked like a cross between Denzel Washington and Jack Elam.

        You know me

        September 26, 2019 at 12:37 PM

      • And Whoopie Goldberg, with a funny hat.

        Mrs Stitch

        September 26, 2019 at 6:46 PM

    • SJW, one of the computer designers was black in one episode. Personally, I like the lack of ‘duh-versity’ in my TV and movie programming these days. I guess I’ll have to watch really old stuff.

      Someone

      September 26, 2019 at 6:19 PM

      • That was the computer that took over the ship and started firing live photo torpedos at other allied ships.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 26, 2019 at 7:13 PM

      • Evidently Starfleet hired cheap immigrant coders for that project.

        At least they saved some credits.

        Mike Street Station

        September 27, 2019 at 6:12 AM

  3. As a kid, the rumor I heard was that when in costume Shatner wore a girdle of some sort to keep his belly semi-trim. I guess that’s another trick that one could learn from Star Trek.

    ice hole

    September 26, 2019 at 11:17 AM

  4. Don’t know who made the observation originally (Steve Sailer?), but TV and movie stars in the 60s generally had very masculine faces, but only average physiques. By contrast, a lot of today’s stars are what used to be called “pretty boys,” but they’re unusually buff.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    September 26, 2019 at 11:27 AM

    • Same was true in baseball. No one has yet explained how Aaron, Mays, Banks, Mantle hit all those home runs at 175-180 pounds, and (except for Mays) smoking cigarettes.

      Vipltd

      September 26, 2019 at 12:41 PM

      • No one has yet explained how Aaron, Mays, Banks, Mantle hit all those home runs at 175-180 pounds, and (except for Mays) smoking cigarettes.

        Fewer very good pitchers and the mound was higher (at least until ’69)

        E. Rekshun

        September 26, 2019 at 5:55 PM

      • Wouldn’t a higher mound benefit the pitcher and not the hitter?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 26, 2019 at 7:12 PM

      • ^ and the mound was higher (at least until ’69)

        E. Rekshun

        September 26, 2019 at 8:14 PM

      • ^ Delete

        E. Rekshun

        September 26, 2019 at 8:15 PM

      • “Wouldn’t a higher mound benefit the pitcher and not the hitter?”

        No. If possible, pitchers would prefer pitching from a trough in the field so that a fastball would be rising as it crosses the plate. That would make it very hard for a batter to perfectly time his swing to hit the ball at an upward angle and out of the ballpark. A pitch thrown at a downward angle as it crosses the plate makes it easier to time the swing and also direct all force at an upward angle and, hence, hit a homerun. That is also why home runs are rarely hit on high fastballs — the ideal angle for a homer is low in the strike zone.

        NWS4EVR

        September 26, 2019 at 10:45 PM

      • The standard mode of thinking has always been that a high mound benefits the pitcher.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 26, 2019 at 11:09 PM

      • @NWS4EVR:

        Congrats on the stupidest baseball comment in the history of the web. Pitching from a trough would cause the ball to loop, not rise. By the way, I once induced a double-play ball from a guy who hit 20 homers one year in AAA.

        Vipltd

        September 27, 2019 at 1:14 AM

  5. Off topic:

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    September 26, 2019 at 12:10 PM

  6. “Apparently, in the twenty-third century people will be at ease with their bodies”

    Actually in most of the 20th Century, including the time Star Trek was filmed, men were at ease with their bodies.

    Jay Fink

    September 26, 2019 at 1:08 PM

  7. It was a different time. Even pro athletes at the time did not lift weights and weren’t very muscular. Weight lifting and bodybuilding were considered to be a sort of weird subculture. It wasn’t mainstream like it is today. Many pro athletes used to be smokers back then, even during games. NBA players would smoke cigarettes at halftime.

    Tom

    September 26, 2019 at 2:03 PM

  8. There are so many young men under 40 who have potty bellies/dad bodies in America.

    Betcha they’re going die young.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    September 26, 2019 at 2:06 PM

    • Like this guy:

      Stan Adams

      September 26, 2019 at 5:10 PM

    • They think they have it covered with the cargo shorts and XXL-T shirttails hanging over the gut. Lol.

      Mrs Stitch

      September 26, 2019 at 6:49 PM

  9. I didn’t get a gay vibe at all. You live in Chelsea and your mind is warped.

    I’ve always noticed Kirk’s slightly protuberant abdomen and never thought anything of it. It’s just the way he’s built, it’s not fat.

    Yes, it’s true, a normal male body isn’t a roided up monstrosity. I will post pics to prove my point.

    gothamette

    September 26, 2019 at 5:01 PM

    • That’s true. But a normal male body also doesn’t sit at a desk all day, watch tv all night and overdose on junk food. At least not historically. Historically, men worked physically demanding jobs, walked a lot more and ate a lot less. Today, people should exercise to make up for the lack of physical activity they get naturally.

      Most of the gains in life expectancy have come from better sanitation and vaccinations. Without those, people would probably not live as long as in the past. Because lifestyle diseases from poor diet and lack of exercise (heart disease, diabetes, cancer, etc) are much worse today. But life expectancy statistics hide it because there are so many more people living longer due to improvements in other areas.

      Despite protestations from women claiming to be turned off by a “roided up monstrosity”, most women prefer a muscular physique to scrawny, fat or flabby. Of course, it’s possible to overdo it. But I don’t think many women would say tony manganiello, daniel craig or zac efron have crossed that line yet. Years ago, I crossed than line and deliberately backed off. So I agree that some people can go too far. But most men (let alone women) wouldn’t have the genetics to go too far even if they tried.

      destructure

      September 27, 2019 at 6:51 PM

      • “But a normal male body also doesn’t sit at a desk all day, watch tv all night and overdose on junk food.”

        No mammal’s body was meant to do that. Look at all the fat pets we have!

        “Despite protestations from women claiming to be turned off by a “roided up monstrosity”, most women prefer a muscular physique ”

        A naturally muscular physique. And I’d rather a naturally slim man to a roided up monstrosity.

        What do you think of her?

        https://tinyurl.com/y6qtnbpd

        I think she is a chick-unit. I’ve seen her on stage and in person. Remarkable.

        gothamette

        September 28, 2019 at 10:32 PM

      • Naturally muscular? Naah. Everyone is healthier and more attractive if they lift weights. Especially people over 40. They need it because people start losing muscle mass after 40. Not to mention bone loss. I’m not saying everyone should turn into the hulk. But everyone should work out.

        “What do you think of her?”

        She obviously works out. I don’t think she’s overdone it. But I don’t think she needs to take it any further.

        I’ve never heard the term “chick unit”.

        destructure

        September 28, 2019 at 11:54 PM

      • Stocky but cute. See my OT comment in Safety Dance post.

        https://twitter.com/GardnerMinshew5/media

        gothamette

        September 29, 2019 at 11:57 AM

      • “Naturally muscular? Naah. Everyone is healthier and more attractive if they lift weights.”

        I mean as muscular as you’ll get *without* taking drugs. It’s the same w/intellect. People have a certain amount of intellect, which must be trained.

        I do advocate lifting.

        ” Especially people over 40. They need it because people start losing muscle mass after 40. Not to mention bone loss. I’m not saying everyone should turn into the hulk. But everyone should work out.”

        This is true. I’ve lost muscle; I hate it. But I’m inconsistent w/the lifting. What I’m gonna try is 3x per week. A little is better than nothing.

        “She obviously works out. I don’t think she’s overdone it. But I don’t think she needs to take it any further.”

        She’s a professional prima ballerina at the New York City Ballet. (She does a lot of working out beyond the traditional dancer’s regimen.)

        I put the pic there because it illustrates my point that the best bodies are a combination of genes AND training. Other NY City Ballet ballerinas aren’t nearly as muscular as she is. It’s just her genes.

        “I’ve never heard the term “chick unit”.”

        That’s cos I just made it up.

        gothamette

        September 29, 2019 at 8:32 PM

  10. Young Cassius Clay at 1960 Olympics:

    https://tinyurl.com/yx9rc5oo

    gothamette

    September 26, 2019 at 5:03 PM

  11. gothamette

    September 26, 2019 at 5:06 PM

  12. She’s too young for me to comment with respect to looks, but this 15-year-old girl does a reasonably decent job firing a 12-gauge shotgun for the first time considering that she had no idea what to expect. You can find any number of videos of adult women doing worse. I am sure that the next time she shoots the 12 she will do fine.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    September 26, 2019 at 5:20 PM

    • A girlfriend once asked me to teach her how to shoot a 12 gauge. She was reasonably strong for a woman, but she somehow got startled and dropped it after every shot. I couldn’t find a way to keep it in her hands no matter what I tried, but I got the feeling she was either going to kill one of us or damage the gun if I let it go on much longer.

      Wency

      September 27, 2019 at 12:03 PM

      • I just remember, the other detail is that she posed with my target (which I shot up pretty well — we were using slugs) and posted that picture on social media, saying she accomplished it and didn’t just fire wildly and drop the gun every time.

        Wency

        September 27, 2019 at 12:10 PM

      • Based on your second comment it sounds like you started her off shooting slugs. That was a big mistake. Teaching an inexperienced person to fire a 12 gauge by loading it with slugs is like introducing a sedentary person to exercise by having them run a half marathon. It is a much better idea to use one-ounce target loads, which are far milder to shoot. These are mini shells that are even milder, but they won’t always cycle properly.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        September 27, 2019 at 3:49 PM

      • Well, if I had my druthers, I’d have started her on a 410, but she insisted on starting out 12 ga. We were at an indoor range, which usually confine you to slugs in my experience, for fear of damaging the range’s target system. So I’d think that 15 year-old is also shooting slugs and managed to hold onto the gun.

        Wency

        September 27, 2019 at 4:27 PM

      • “you started her off shooting slugs. That was a big mistake.”

        Starting someone off with a 12ga is a mistake no matter what load one is using. It’s better to start with a 22lr and let them work their way up as they get comfortable with the recoil and noise. If one progresses too quickly they’ll develop a flinch. The progression I use for new shooters is 22lr >> 223 Rem >> 7mm08 >> 30-06.

        Recoil is only part of the problem with shooting powerful cartridges. The other part is the noise and muzzle blast. Using hearing protection not only reduces hearing loss it also helps prevent one from developing a flinch thereby increasing accuracy.

        destructure

        September 27, 2019 at 11:06 PM

  13. Only white “men” do not have muscular bodies. They have doughy fatty gross bodies.

    Men of Color have ripped in shape bodies.

    Is it any wonder that white girls are increasingly forming romantic relationships with Men of Color?

    Jeff Kent

    September 26, 2019 at 5:57 PM

    • Now that ripped bodies is a top selection criteria for women is it any wonder half of children are born out of wedlock?

      Jay Fink

      September 26, 2019 at 9:51 PM

      • I’d say it’s only a selection criteria for high tier women, 8s and above

        Gm

        September 27, 2019 at 7:51 PM

    • Hi, Tiny Duck.

      Marty

      September 26, 2019 at 10:41 PM

    • “Only white “men” do not have muscular bodies”

      Well that’s nonsense. Oriental men are naturally very slender. Indian men are rarely muscular. Nor Arab and Southern Euro men.

      The best shape for a white man is a swimmer’s physique.

      prolier than thou

      September 27, 2019 at 5:16 PM

    • There you go again, Te Nahisi, viewing Men of Color just as “bodies.” I know several Men of Color myself, and they have more to offer than just their bodies. When I was busking in the subway the other day, one gave me five dollars just to shut up.

      Ripped Rigged, Panic!

      September 27, 2019 at 9:20 PM

    • Right. Every single Caucasian male has a “doughy, fatty, gross body, and every single male of Colour
      has a “ripped, shaped, body,” and Caucasian “girls,”
      {not Women, only the under~age females,} are increasingly forming romantic relationships with males of Colour. Possession of a phallic organ alone does not qualify anyone as a “Man.” Male Animals also have those organs, and THEY are not “Men.”

      femalemarineveteran

      September 28, 2019 at 8:10 AM

    • “Men of Color have ripped in shape bodies.”

      According to the CDC, “Hispanics (47.0%) and non-Hispanic blacks (46.8%) had the highest age-adjusted prevalence of obesity, followed by non-Hispanic whites (37.9%) and non-Hispanic Asians (12.7%).”

      https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

      destructure

      September 28, 2019 at 5:50 PM

      • “Obesity” is calculated based solely on body weight, so having massive muscles could actually make a person “obese.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 28, 2019 at 6:45 PM

      • The percentage of people classified as “obese” due to massive muscles is negligible.

        destructure

        September 29, 2019 at 4:52 AM

  14. I’ve been 6-1, slim frame, 150 – 160 lbs, since 16 y/o. I’ve lifted weights for over 30 years; I’m very toned but haven’t bulked up at all. As I age into my mid-fifties, and if I tend to overeat and get less aerobic exercise, fat seems to go straight to my belly and love handles.

    E. Rekshun

    September 26, 2019 at 6:01 PM

  15. Less processed and sugary food back then as well. I was watching the Ken Burns country music documentary. Amazing how for the most part most people were slimmer and trimmer back then.

    Someone

    September 26, 2019 at 6:21 PM

    • There’s a chance that the reason people were slimmer decades ago was that they smoked, which of course kills appetite. That and spent less time sitting in their vehicles. I think foods were plenty sugary. Wonder Bread had sugar, for example. As a kid in the ‘60’s I chewed gum like crazy, prolly why I was always so keyed up.

      Department 11

      September 27, 2019 at 1:19 AM

      • They still smoke in Europe which could be a reason people are a lot thinner there. Then again in the U.S the most obese states such as West Virginia also have the highest smoking rates. The Northeast and the West coast states have both the lowest smoking and obesity. In general the upper middle class and higher do everything they should health wise while the “deplorables” do everything wrong.

        Jay Fink

        September 27, 2019 at 2:33 PM

      • West Virginia’s adult obesity rate has gone from 13.7% in 1990 to 23.9% in 2000 to 39.5% today. Which is right at the national average. It’s also worth noting that there’s less than 10% difference in obesity between the most and least obese states. And that even the least obese states have a higher obesity rate than the most obese states did only 10 years ago.

        I agree that upper middle and upper class people have lower obesity rates. But obesity rates have been increasing among all classes. No one is immune. Even animals are fatter than they used to be on the same diets. Diet and exercise are obviously a factor. But there’s clearly something going on that’s affecting everyone. It’s just that some states, races and classes are leading the trend while others are lagging. But no demographic is unaffected by it. That’s why I’m convinced there’s more to the rise in obesity than just diet and exercise.

        destructure

        September 28, 2019 at 7:32 PM

  16. Speaking of “gay” are you ever going to read and review Bronze Age Pervert’s book? Michael Anton reviewed it earlier this month after being gifted a copy by Mencius Moldbug and it finally seems to be getting noticed by the mainstream media (articles in Politico, Vox, ect). There is a definite paucity of review, probably owing to how difficult a book it is write about. But there are few books with such influence that have so few reviews so definitely an opportunity if you are game.

    FatDrunkAndStupid

    September 27, 2019 at 10:35 AM

  17. Actually, Shatner’s recurrent weight issues were remarked upon at the time, as was the rumor that he wore a toupee. He apparently has retained his health though. He’s almost ninety and still kicking. One mystery is how dramatically his facial features have coarsened. He’s barely recognizable as the handsome fellow he was in his mid-thirties.

    Mister Triple 800

    September 27, 2019 at 10:51 AM

  18. “able to date hot young women by using the lesson he learned from Captain Kirk.”

    I date women on TV with the help of Chuck Woolery.

    Free T' Bet

    September 27, 2019 at 9:00 PM

  19. I beg to difer. I have viewed Captain James Tiberius Kirk, since TOS originally aired, with and without his shirt; and I see no such thing. In fact, Mr. William Shatner looked quite fit for the 23rd or any other century. Jealousy will gain you nothing.

    femalemarineveteran

    September 28, 2019 at 7:46 AM

    • I agree. He sucked in his stomach in some of the shirtless scenes. But he in no way had a pot belly. I don’t know if he was lifting weights but he was clearly doing some kind of exercise. Check out his biceps here. A guy doesn’t get a muscle like that unless they’re at least doing something, even if it’s just manual labor.

      destructure

      September 28, 2019 at 9:21 PM


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