Lion of the Blogosphere

Give people respect, not insults

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I wrote this in a blog post about a Robert Heinlein novel which I wrote before Trump became president. A novel about an actor who becomes the leader of a political party:

There was a scene in the book in which a guy fired from Lorenzo/Bonforte’s team tries to tell the world at a press conference that Bonforte isn’t Bonforte, but that he’s an impostor. This is a lesson about what happens when you don’t give someone the respect they think they deserve; sometimes they seek revenge.

It’s too bad that Donald Trump didn’t read my blog post. There are a large number of people who think they deserved more respect than Trump gave them. Some of them will seek revenge by helping the Democrats impeach him.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 7, 2019 at EST am

Posted in Politics

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  1. I’d say it’s always revenge, not sometimes, but withholding respect is something that just comes naturally to humans – how do you avoid it? Here’s a personal example.

    It’s 1985 and I’m on a flight from Dulles to LAX. The guy next to me chats me up, asks what a I do. I answer lawyer (2 yrs. out of school). He’s got the telltale Jewish NYC accent, and is a physician, a GP who’s in advanced training to become an anesthesiologist. So what does he say next? Entirely gratuitously, he tells me how much more important his work is compared with mine. He’s right, of course – the whole reason I went to law school is that I couldn’t hack pre-med. If I’d been black, I’d have had to smash in the face, right? I mean, disrespect!

    Vipltd

    November 7, 2019 at EST am

    • As an anesthesiologist (and even as a GP to a large degree) he’s an advanced-skill technician, yet a technician nevertheless. Important like all technicians who run trains, fix bridges, etc. No less but arguably no more. I have a feeling that he’s learned that lesson if by no other means than the repetitiveness of his job, and has since learned a little bit of humility since you crossed paths on that flight.

      You don’t need to smash guys like that in the face. The World tends to take care of that task, even if it is done out of sight and on his professional level (where everyone is on more or less even ground).

      Being raised in NYC can lead individuals having sheltered perspectives and a sheltered sense of manners, because no one ever really has to leave their borough. Which isn’t intuitive. I remember being shocked the first time that I saw a particular professional level woman (in this case attractive), born and raised in NYC, pick her nose in front of me like it was normal. My best guess is that it is normal in whichever NYC ethnic enclave in which she grew up.

      You more or less were on the wrong end of equivalent behavior.

      Mike

      November 7, 2019 at EST pm

  2. I’d argue Trump gave his enemies far to MUCH respect. Just look at GOPe vs Media. Trump treated the latter with utter contempt from the start and they in turn treated him the same way. But Trump made huge concessions to the GOPe, gave them plush jobs in his administration, and generally treated them far better than they deserved. Did that win Trump any respect or good will? Doesn’t seem like it to me.

    PerezHBD

    November 7, 2019 at EST pm

  3. Didn’t Trump run for President partly as revenge because Obama mocked him in public at the Journalists’ dinner? Seems like Obama should have read more Heinlein.

    Peter Akuleyev

    November 7, 2019 at EST pm

  4. Preaching to the choir, like do good. While humans are animals, humans aren’t consistent and predictable like all other animals of the kingdom.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    November 7, 2019 at EST pm

  5. Trump was as rude as he needed to be to show uncompromising strength the the end of winning the election.

    In the 2016 campaign period, it was important not to give up schoolyard wins to opponents and as covered in the press, on either side of the isle, to those who chose the creton’s path of deferring to manners and the Overton Window in an attempt to corner Trump on these technicalities instead of on the raw logic of the issues and expressed political interests of the electorate.

    In sum: no rudeness then likely no win. Winning and being impeached is still a better outcome than not winning at all.

    The brand of so-call conservative politicians who might try to do what they can to facilitate the impeachment of a President like Trump are the walking dead. They just haven’t been cycled out yet, and assisting with impeachment will assist in that process. They are at total odds with the now mainstreamed and open Will of the Republican base.

    Mike

    November 7, 2019 at EST pm

    • I was not talking about calling Jeb “low energy,” he needed to do what he needed to do to win the election.

      But the pointless insults to people who worked for him after he already won the election, that is coming back to bite him.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 7, 2019 at EST pm

      • Lion,

        “But the pointless insults to people who worked for him after he already won the election, that is coming back to bite him.”

        Yeah…sure…everyone is worried about the lack of respect that Trump showed to, say, John Bolton. Now, because of it, John Bolton is going to testify to how Trump bucked the interagency consensus to start a nuclear war with Russia, by not starting a nuclear war with Russia.

        Or not bombing Iran…

        map

        November 7, 2019 at EST pm

      • Got it. I understand now.

        Mike

        November 7, 2019 at EST pm

      • If, by “pointless insults”, you don’t mean what he said about Bolton, what “large number of people” do you mean, and when did these insults start?
        And, how many of these people actually did nothing to earn these insults?

        aNanyMouse

        November 8, 2019 at EST am

  6. If I recall correctly nobody believed the turncoat former advisor in the Heineken novel you reference and everything ended A-ok for both the politician and the actor playing him.

    I gather you don’t expect your readers to actually read the books or movies you recommend? I also watched Logan’s Run and Zardoz recently. But, I draw the line at Girls.

    Curle

    November 7, 2019 at EST pm


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