Lion of the Blogosphere

Some Kind of Wonderful (1987)

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Some Kind of Wonderful (1987) is the last of the John Hughes high school movies from the 1980s. It’s the least well-known of the bunch, and for good reasons in my opinion. Not to say that it’s a bad movie, but it’s not a great movie. A lot of articles talking about John Hughes movies will include this one and drop Weird Science, but Weird Science is memorable and a quintessential 80s movie.

I vaguely remember seeing this movie before. I was infatuated with Leah Thompson back in the 1980s. I even liked her in Howard the Duck. One article I read described her role in Some Kind of Wonderful as a “sexy virginal archetype” and I can go with that.

Like most John Hughes 80s movies, you can experience the joy of a nearly all-white cast, plus other political incorrectness that you don’t get in modern-day movies. This is the third consecutive John Hughes movie I’ve watched where the word “faggot” is thrown around as an insult.

There are two blacks seen in the movie, but they are not honor students, they are delinquents who hang out with a white skinhead (obviously, John Hughes had no idea about skinheads), and their purpose in the movie is to be ugly and intimidating, and part of the delinquent-kids posse who back up the Eric Stoltz character and stop the rich kids from beating him up.

Some Kind of Wonderful also features a female character who has a tomboyish, almost butch, look about her. She is insulted by other kids, called a “lesbian,” which was an insult in 1987 and not a compliment like it is today. In a movie today, she might come out as “trans” or something like that, but everyone in a John Hughes movie is heterosexual.

The movie never tells you where exactly take place, my impression was that it takes place in New England because the prole characters seem to have a prole New England accent, but then I read on Wikipedia that it was supposed to be in Los Angeles.

The movie is about a love triangle. The lead character, played by Eric Stoltz (way too old to be a high school senior) lusts after Leah Thompson (who wouldn’t lust after her even though she was also way too old to be a high school student?) but unknown to the clueless Eric Stoltz character, his tomboyish best friend played by Mary Stuart Masterson (slightly too old to be a high school senior) has her own case of oneitis is for him.

When I watched the movie the first time, I had trouble empathizing with the Eric Stoltz character who works after school at a service station and has no desire to go to college. What sort of loser wouldn’t want to go to college? Even in the 1908s, it didn’t make any sense. On top of that, he has such a pathetic case of oneitis that even people who know nothing about PUA-theory would cringe. He also engages in some stalker type of behavior, which wasn’t considered to be creepy in 1980s movies the way it is today.

The moral of the movie is that prole whites are good people, and rich whites are bad people with no redeeming qualities. Leah Thompson, who starts out as a vacuous rich-people groupie, is redeemed because she embraces her family’s proleness and rejects her rich friends, including the rich boyfriend who was a total jerk and cheated on her.

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One thing the movie does well is that it perfectly captures the typical prole father’s views about college. The father doesn’t want his son to have a crappy prole job like he does. But he also doesn’t want his son to major in something he considers useless, like art. He wants his son to get a degree in business, because to a prole that sounds like a way to make money.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 26, 2019 at EST am

Posted in Movies

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  1. I’d say that showing proles in a favorable way is a good thing, being quite unusual in popular culture.
    Showing a girl with one-itis is highly unrealistic. It’s basically always a male thing.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    November 26, 2019 at EST am

    • I feel women definitely can get one-itis, and it can be worse than male one-itis because women are choosier so are more likely to zero in on “that one man” instead of “whatever I can get”. Some have argued that Lewinsky has had lifelong one-itis for Bill.

      The unrealistic thing in this film is the friend-zoned female (beta orbiter, in PUA parlance). Women don’t forever orbit as purely platonic friends desiring a relationship. Generally the guy being orbited will push it to become FWB. If he never makes a move on her, she’ll eventually be turned off.

      I knew a girl in high school who was borderline-obsessed (one-itis!) with a male friend of hers. He would tell her “I love you like a sister” but still had sex with her all the time, even as he pursued other women. Probably could have improved on his choice of simile. But I think she always hoped that the sex would eventually cause him to fall in love (it didn’t).

      So in real life, Stoltz would either make the tomboy his FWB as he pursued the girl he really wants, or he’d just settle for her being his girlfriend and skip the Lea Thompson drama (maybe admiring her from afar).

      The part that’s realistic though is that a relationship between a man and his former FWB is usually going to be much better than between a woman and her former beta orbiter. I recently went to a wedding that was an example of the former; he seemed happy. A man marrying down is a much more stable situation than a woman marrying down.

      Wency

      November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • In addition to this, I would say that while girls can get oneitis, they tend to get over it quickly, because they have a constant stream of new males presenting themselves to them and expressing interest in them. Whereas for a male, oneitis can be paralyzing because by the very fact of having it you’re not motivated to try to meet other women.

        Hermes

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

  2. “What sort of loser wouldn’t want to go to college?”

    There are TONS of smart/capable kids who’s life would be 10x better if they never went to college.

    College is a HUGE risk. It’s banking on the ability of an 18 YEAR OLD KID to be mature enough to study on his own, take a real major that leads to the career track, and NOT waste 4 prime years getting a worthless degree so he can work at starbucks. And not get distracted by the pointless social scene or idiot politics.

    Not to mention the student loan/debt racket.

    I wish 4-year colleges would be forced to eat their loans. Not the student or the taxpayer. The pre-req college education should be accomplished in junior high/high school and then the kids should go straight to med school, law school, business school etc.

    fakeemail

    November 26, 2019 at EST am

    • In 1987, Starbucks wasn’t around yet (at least not anywhere outside of Seattle that I knew about), tuition was a lot less expensive and hardly anyone graduated with the huge debt that people graduate with today, and the kid’s prole father wanted better for his kid than a crappy prole job, and who could blame him?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 26, 2019 at EST am

      • Now you need to start reviewing today’s teen flicks. Start with Netflix’s “Sierra Burgess is a Loser” where the title girl (played by Barb from “Stranger Things”) has a mom played by Lea Thompson.

        You’ll have snark bait for a month.

        njguy73

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • Did I mention that her dad is played by Ferris Bueller’s friend?

        njguy73

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

    • ” What sort of loser wouldn’t want to go to college? ”

      When Lion says things like this, I truly cringe.

      Not all Jews…. not all Jews….

      gothamette

      November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • It’s infinitely preferable to “there are plenty of dumb proles out there eager to join the military.”

        ice hole

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • I suppose, but there are other options.

        BTW, yet again today I saw many man doing jobs that can never be done by robots.

        gothamette

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • “It’s infinitely preferable to “there are plenty of dumb proles out there eager to join the military.””

        That was definitely an eye roller, but no doubt an honest opinion.

        Mike Street Station

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • But is it true?

        Are proles less smart than non-proles? Yes.

        Do proles like the military? Yes.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • As I recall your original comment, you were talking about Special Forces types. So are Special Forces smarter (on average!) than non proles? Yes. Are they (in general) smarter than lawyers? My guess is also yes. I would love to get some ASVAB or SAT data on Special Forces to compare across professional classes, say Law School and Medical School acceptees. Could the average special forces soldier successfully graduate from law school? Again, my guess is that at far higher rates than the average lawyer could graduate from any sort of special forces school. Your opinions on this subject are not based on data or experience,, they are based on prejudice that’s typical of the class that you aspire and think of yourself as belonging to.

        Mike Street Station

        November 27, 2019 at EST am

      • The bulk of enlisted are between 100 – 107 IQ. Officers start at 110 and go up from there. In WW2 officers averaged 130. It has dropped precipitously since then. I think 120 or lower is current average. 125 is lawyer mean IIRC.

        Curle

        November 27, 2019 at EST am

      • “What sort of loser wouldn’t want to rack up tens of thousands of dollars in debt for a meaningless piece of paper?”

        gothamette

        November 27, 2019 at EST am

      • So we have prole schools, prole accents, and prole occupations?

        What about prole regions? It seems to be much of America is pro no go!

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        November 29, 2019 at EST pm

  3. All white casts are the devil!

    The Social Justice Warrior

    November 26, 2019 at EST am

  4. Lion, have you reviewed the movie “Say Anything”?

    Oswald Spengler

    November 26, 2019 at EST am

  5. The tomboy is more attractive looking to me, especially because she has normal hair and not weird 80s hair. Do you find 80s hair sexy?

    Monsieur le Baron

    November 26, 2019 at EST pm

    • No hair is better than 80s hair. At least on young women.

      And if you think her hair looks weird in Some Kind of Wonderful, you have to see her outrageous hair in Howard the Duck.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • It looks like she grabbed onto a lightning rod. That’s mad science hair.

        Monsieur le Baron

        November 27, 2019 at EST am

  6. Speaking of proles, have you ever seen/reviewed the greatest documentary ever made about prole Jews? It’s also the greatest rock and roll documentary ever made.

    peterike

    November 26, 2019 at EST pm

    • I have never heard of Anvil.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • I never heard of them either until I watched that documentary. Seriously, it’s awesome. And I do not like Anvil’s extreme metal sound. It’s a great people story.

        peterike

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • I had never heard of them either, and based on that poster alone, I’d have assumed it was a comedy spoof, like Spinal Tap.

        Hermes

        November 27, 2019 at EST am

  7. The moral of the movie is that prole whites are good people, and rich whites are bad people with no redeeming qualities.

    In these older all white movies, in which they had to pick some whites as the good guys, as opposed to diverse movies these days, where it’s usually the nonwhites are the good guys, whites bad, it wasn’t simply prole good, rich bad. The proles usually weren’t simply hard working proles, but often misfits. And the rich villains were usually portrayed as WASPier than the good guys and degenerate in some way. Also, often the family members of the prole heroes were depicted badly and as hostile. So the movies were subversive in their own way despite having all white or nearly all white casts, and they were a prelude to the more explicitly subversive diverse movies we see today. They had a subversive anti-family, anti parental and social authority message.

    Tom

    November 26, 2019 at EST pm

    • A lot of those older white comedies (see also Animal House and Caddyshack) have WASP villains. It was partly the anti-authoritarianism of the 70s, but also Jewish/Italian/Irish resentment of the American founding class.

      Peter Akuleyev

      November 27, 2019 at EST am

  8. I’m a 30 year old newlywed and still have oneitis for a 34 year old I knew in high school even though she’s married to a chad

    Gm

    November 26, 2019 at EST pm

  9. “and rich whites are bad people with no redeeming qualities”

    Which is why every murderer in Columbo (including the reunion movies) was white. Can you imagine a crime show where the perp is always black? There’d be riots. But whites? Fuck ’em.

    Brendan

    November 26, 2019 at EST pm

    • Blacks usually just commit impulsive murders like a drive-by on a rival gang or shoot up a party after being dissed. There would be no mystery for Lt. Colombo to solve if the villain of the episode was a black guy.

      Oswald Spengler

      November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • That would be a funny SNL sketch. Rebooting Colombo with, say, Chadewick Boseman.

        “Oh, one more thing, sir.”
        “What, you deaf? I said I kicked the bitch down the stairs to get her TV so I could fence it for smack!”

        Each episode is 5 minutes.

        njguy73

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • I guess the writers were subtly suggesting that blacks aren’t clever.

        Brendan

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

    • There would be no riots. Nobody would watch it though. Black criminals don’t make for a good story. They don’t have interesting motives. “I shot him because he dissed me,” or “I stabbed him because he cheated at dice.”

      Made up white criminals have awesome stories like “I killed my step-sister so that I would get the inheritance,” or “I killed my graduate adviser because he stole my brilliant ideas and passed them off as his,” or “I stole the money from the bank to pay from my sick son’s medical treatment.” Cool, interesting stories that never, ever happen among real white people.

      Even non-white people prefer to watch these made up white (sometimes Jewish, or Asian) criminals. Nobody wants to watch boring real crime committed by stupid people. That’s just real life, and it’s depressing.

      Lowe

      November 26, 2019 at EST pm

      • Statistically, most black murders are along the lines of, “m**********r stepped on my new shells.”

        Marty

        November 26, 2019 at EST pm

    • Woah. What are you trying to say? That we cause the most crime in real life and drama should reflect this?!!! Hahaha you crazy dawg.

      The Social Justice Warrior

      November 27, 2019 at EST am

  10. I really liked this movie when I first saw it many years ago, much more so than any other Hughes film I can recall.

    I particularly liked the performance of Mary Stuart Masterson who was prettier than Lea Thompson but able to portray a marginalized girl. I remember thinking Stoltz was a total idiot for ignoring Mary Stuart which was probably the effect Hughes desired.

    I thought Mary Stuart’s sweetness came through in a big way and as a friend is fond of saying, sweetness slays men more than any female quality.

    Curle

    November 26, 2019 at EST pm

  11. Anyone else notice that an impeachment vote still hasn’t happened? Is that going to happen soon?

    I have always suspected that the Democrat establishment never planned on actually getting to the vote, for the fear they might suffer for it electorally, like the Republicans with Clinton. That they might just drag it out as long as possible without a vote.

    Lowe

    November 26, 2019 at EST pm

  12. So I heard they wanted Julia Robert’s to play harriet Tubman in a movie. Let me just say as a black man I find that suggestion disgusting. Why would jewish hollywood people turn against us like this?! I thought we were their useful idiot shock troops.

    The Social Justice Warrior

    November 27, 2019 at EST am

  13. “He wants his son to get a degree in business, because to a prole that sounds like a way to make money”

    Sounds about prole, and sounds about the majority of Meriproles, who view education as a ticket to munee.

    What’s even worse, proles must compete with NAMs and Eastern Asiatics in certain vocational endeavors.

    If you’re nihilist like me, or anyone who sees no purpose in the grand scheme of things in Meriprolestan, your only goal in life is to experience positional goods around you, nothing, but positional goods. Other than this, the world in America is an empty and a dark place.

    From my travels throughout the state of NY, Manhattan is a playground, the outer boroughs are slave grounds, and the Hudson Valley is a real ground. Upstate NYS, which is really the west and north of Albany are dying grounds, because there is no source of wealth like “NYC” in their proximity to sustain its existence as a ground.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    November 27, 2019 at EST am

    • “Sounds about prole, and sounds about the majority of Meriproles, who view education as a ticket to munee.”

      As opposed to SWPL’s who view marriage as a ticket to munee.

      If you’re nihilist like me, or anyone who sees no purpose in the grand scheme of things in Meriprolestan, your only goal in life is to experience positional goods around you, nothing, but positional goods. Other than this, the world in America is an empty and a dark place.

      I’m as cynical as they come but that’s some pessimistic shit right there. haha The universe may be destined to end in the cold darkness of entropy but I’ve never been nihilist. I’ve also never been depressed or sad a day in my life. But if positional goods were my raison d’être that would be depressing as hell. Don’t get me wrong; I like money. But I’ve never judged my life by money, positional goods, status, etc. That’s just shallow, petty and boring. I actually see those as a threat to more important things.

      destructure

      November 27, 2019 at EST pm

      • swpls don’t marry for money, only unself-actualized groups like meriproles and eastern asiatics do that

        gm

        November 29, 2019 at EST am

      • “swpls don’t marry for money”

        don’t be stupid.

        destructure

        November 30, 2019 at EST pm

  14. O/t – regarding the NY Post piece:

    https://nypost.com/2019/11/26/hoods-attacked-actress-jennifer-agostini-friends-leaving-midtown-bar-suit/

    Aging guidettes (or prolettes) got jumped by a band of blacks leaving a bar.

    Is this a surprise to anyone on this blog, given how proles (especially guidos) and blacks are both undesirable demographics as outlined by Lion?

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    November 27, 2019 at EST am

    • “Everybody talking about racial equality
      But I’m the only honky living on an all black street
      They knock me down ‘cos they brown and I white
      Like you wouldn’t believe it”

      — The Kinks

      Looking at Google Maps pics of the Sky Room, it looks like a pretty trashy crowd and a least a half-black hangout. That said, this would be front page news for days on end if the races were reversed (yeah, I know we all know). Anyway, thumbs up for Lion’s tweets on this.

      peterike

      November 27, 2019 at EST am

  15. “But he also doesn’t want his son to major in something he considers useless, like art. He wants his son to get a degree in business, because to a prole that sounds like a way to make money”

    Again, here’s the same view from a lady who received her PhD from a crappy for profit school in Psychology. I didn’t know for profit schools offer PhD programs.

    Money for work always trump self actualization:

    https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/heres-why-its-okay-to-choose-paycheck-over-passion

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    November 27, 2019 at EST pm


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