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New York Times denies science, again

If you are trying to gauge the effectiveness of schools, making international comparisons without taking race into account is useless. But because the fakestream media denies the scientific truth of racial differences in IQ, you get junk articles like this.

American test scores ought to be declining because school-age white children are being replaced by lower IQ Hispanics and “other.” (Also Asians who are smarter, but the Asians are outnumbered by the Hispanics and the “other,” especially among the school-aged because Asians aren’t as good at making babies as Hispanics.)

But actually, no country is better than the United States at training low-IQ children to score higher on tests, because of massive drilling and teaching to the test. Which is why test scores have held “stagnant” since 2000 (as reported in the article) instead of declining.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 3, 2019 at 7:39 AM

Posted in Education

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  1. Elites don’t want too many smarties in their society. It isn’t in their best interest to have high IQ geniuses to challenge the status quo. In the case of Eastern Asiatics, they aren’t very rabble rousing or trendsetting, just smart workers and diligent. But still, their fear is warranted.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    December 3, 2019 at 7:47 AM

  2. There is similiar situation in many European countries, a lot of immigrants from Africa, the middle east, and south east Asia and afghanis. I am not sure the US situation is the worst and the article itself says that the gap between immigrants and natives in the US is smaller than in other countries. Not that it matters because natives can be also from different races.

    Hashed

    December 3, 2019 at 8:05 AM

    • Many less educated Hispanics tend be stoned, when it comes to critical thinking skills, but they are nowhere as annoying as blacks when it comes to the same cerebral processes. blacks tend to come with drama when it comes any type of personal engagement. Hispanics are the lesser of 2 evils when it comes to low skilled menial work that proles could fill the role, but can’t or won’t. The elites have it all figured out.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      December 3, 2019 at 9:48 AM

  3. Obviously the BBC does the same thing. In contrast to the US, the BBC says that education reform is working very well in Estonia, perhaps the whitest country in Europe.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-50590581

    lioncub

    December 3, 2019 at 9:23 AM

  4. The only solution: moar immigration!

    Peterike

    December 3, 2019 at 10:10 AM

  5. I’m actually more cynical, I think the reason scores have been stagnant is that the books are being cooked to mask how bad the problem is.

    Georgia Resident

    December 3, 2019 at 11:06 AM

    • +1

      destructure

      December 4, 2019 at 8:05 PM

  6. An anecdote I’d like to share.

    Someone I know once told me how disturbed she was that Finnish kids receive very little homework. She’s friends with a Finn, and the Finnish friend of hers is surprised at how much work US kids are expected to do.

    Regarding the ‘less homework system’, she says “That can’t be good, I don’t think they’ll learn anything”, and I answer “Maybe they don’t need that much homework. They do well because they’re Finns”.
    I get a quizzical look, followed by an slightly angry question “Are you trying to say Finnish people are smarter?”
    All I answer is “Yes, on average”.
    Finland is much higher than the US in the PISA rankings, in all three aspects (Reading, Science, Math).

    However, Chinese and Japanese students are bombarded with homework much more than US students, but an East Asian raised in the Finnish education system will still plow through classes with ease.

    It’s not the school system, it’s the student.

    markus

    December 3, 2019 at 12:40 PM

    • The myth that East Asians are smarter is a moot point, when East Asians have not done anything outside of their confines on par with Whites. That is, establishing territories in unknown lands.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      December 3, 2019 at 1:59 PM

      • Not a myth, and the Japanese make great cameras and cars.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM

      • Toyota and Honda make great cars. All the other Japanese makes are about the same crap quality as anywhere else.

        bobbybobbob

        December 4, 2019 at 12:17 PM

  7. I was surprised how well Canada did. I guess they get smarter immigrants than us.

    ack-acking

    December 3, 2019 at 12:43 PM

    • They DO get smarter immigrants than us. 76% of immigrants to Canada come from Asia and Europe.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 3, 2019 at 12:47 PM

      • There’s plenty of crappy retail in Meriprolestan that could use NAMs for the holiday adrenaline (better known as frivolous consumption on Black Friday and X’Mas). Canada’s economy isn’t of this sort, at least not to the degree of America’s consumerist society of Made in China junk.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        December 3, 2019 at 1:26 PM

      • Canada gets plenty of dumb immigrants too. But the huge number of Chinese are probably bringing the average up. The Chinese are very smart, especially at extracting benefits while avoiding taxes.

        Rosenmops

        December 3, 2019 at 1:46 PM

      • I should add that I DO NOT admire the Chinese who are smart enough to avoid tax while living in $2,000,000 homes. I think it is disgusting. If enough people do this the whole system will collapse,

        High-trust/low-corruption countries work because people pay their taxes. As Canada brings in more and more immigrants from low-trust/high-corruption countries, Canada will become low-trust/high-corruption. It is already happening. I should add that Quebec has always been quite corrupt. But the Anglo part of Canada hasn’t been.

        Rosenmops

        December 4, 2019 at 5:57 PM

  8. Sailer did an analysis of PISA scores a few years ago and somehow broke down the US scores by race. The broken-down numbers showed US racial groups did about equal to or better than their racial groups’ home areas. That is, American blacks did better than sub-Saharan Africans, US Latinos did better than most other Latinos in the world, US whites were pretty decent compared to European scores, etc. There were exceptions, anomalies, etc., but overall the US is actually doing a great job educating our youth (compared to other countries’ efforts) given the material presented. Lion might have been referring to this too.

    As for the usual Finns vs. East Asian schooling/homework comparisons, that’s been noted for years and simply reflects different cultures.

    Off-topic, but one rarely sees any discussions about Asian countries’ strange aversion to diversity. Sure, occasionally there’s an article mentioning Japan needs more immigrants to make up for declining population–but that’s about it. Somehow they have been extremely successful without the aid of diversity–how can that be.

    Sam Lowry

    December 3, 2019 at 1:10 PM

    • “Somehow they have been extremely successful without the aid of diversity–how can that be.”

      Ha ha.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 3, 2019 at 1:17 PM

      • “[A]id of diversity.” Good one.

        USA 2019 where everything is inversion.

        I’d love to conduct an academic study examining the ways Corgi culture compels corgis to herd and springer spaniel culture compels springers to retrieve birds. Id propose state funding to increase awareness among springers of the benefits of herding and correspondingly corgis the benefits of bird retrieval. But I think even the lummoxes in the sociology dept. would figure that one out.

        Curle

        December 4, 2019 at 9:33 PM

    • Asia is the most populous region in the world and its countries have no need for NAM workers. Japan being the exception, has been importing their look alike neighbors for cheap labor.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      December 3, 2019 at 1:47 PM

      • There are Filipino maids in Japan.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 3, 2019 at 1:53 PM

      • Google does the job. I found this: https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1644760/chinese-guest-worker-says-hes-slave-japan-under-exploitive-scheme

        Japan has plenty of Chinese and Korean guest workers who are being exploited. These people are no more or less smarter than a Filipino maid, who is smarter than your average mestizo or black menial worker in Meriprolestan.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        December 3, 2019 at 2:12 PM

      • It’s a mixed bag, some Asians work in Japan in simple jobs and some in regular office jobs, the Chinese and Koreans adjust themselves very well to Japanese society the same way Italians adjusted themselves to the anglo American society. The south east Asians are more equivalent to hispanics and tend to do more simple jobs. I wouldn’t say they are maids though, it is very rare to have a maid in Japan. I did have a filipino cleaner but I also had filipino co workers in the office. The mestizo who worked with us was much smarter and much more fun to hang out with.

        Hashed

        December 3, 2019 at 7:51 PM

      • Japan has way more illegal aliens doing dangerous, dirty jobs than western commentators think. There are various middle easterners working in poultry plants and so-forth. TEPCO was sending illegals into the contaminated zone around Fukushima, and that got a little bit of media exposure.

        Thing is, it would never even cross the minds of even the greediest Japanese corporate fat cat to let these people stay permanently, milk welfare, or gain citizenship. It’s about abusing them for profits and then ultimately kicking them out. The legal guest worker program is structured that way, as well: you have zero chance of staying in Japan permanently and you pay into social security with zero chance of ever drawing on it. The government probably has real numbers of how many illegal aliens there are, and is tacitly involved in letting them in, but being Japanese they’re capable of operating quiet conspiracies.

        bobbybobbob

        December 3, 2019 at 11:45 PM

      • Japan has a seedy underbelly that we rarely hear about.

        It has an entrenched criminal class, the Yakuza, an underclass, the Bunraku, and they repress their Korean minority. It also has a poor underclass, not bad by our standards, but poor. How poverty relates to ethnicity and caste discrimination is confusing to me.

        gothamette

        December 4, 2019 at 3:19 PM

      • Oops. Meant burakumin, not Bunraku. Bunraku is puppet theater.

        gothamette

        December 4, 2019 at 3:20 PM

      • They don’t oppress the Korean minority. The Koreans just endlessly whinge. One of the big items of contention is Japan doesn’t allow dual citizenship. There’s a multi-generational Korean minority that maintains Korean citizenship and can’t get a full Japanese citizenship and passport unless they formally renounce the Korean citizenship. This is apparently “repression”.

        bobbybobbob

        December 5, 2019 at 1:35 AM

    • Sailer may have written an article about it. But, if he did, he was writing about a study conducted by an economist named Tino Sanandaji. I’ve mentioned it several times on this blog. Here’s the original article.

      The Amazing Truth About PISA Scores: USA Beats Western Europe, Ties with Asia

      You’d think education organizations would be itching to publicize a study showing how well US schools do, right? Nope. And they never will. Because that’s one of the most HBD studies you’ll ever read. It puts the lie to their claims that the achievement gap is due to discrimination. After all, how can black and hispanic students be discriminated when they outperform blacks and hispanics from every other country? And it’s not just about hurt feelings, either. It’s about money. Organizations use the discrimination lie to extort more money from tax payers.

      destructure

      December 4, 2019 at 9:02 PM

  9. If PISA scores aren’t vulnerable to renorming, then I guess we do a good job. Were the PISA tests proctored independently of the pay-for-results cheater teachers who sometimes get caught correcting students’ answer sheets before scoring?

    jg

    December 3, 2019 at 6:15 PM

  10. MEH 0910

    December 3, 2019 at 6:47 PM

  11. “increasing the amount of nonfiction reading, writing persuasive essays using evidence drawn from texts and adding conceptual depth in math.

    Whenever they tout “conceptual” stuff, I know it’ll get worse. Drill those kids in basic number manipulation. Concepts are great when you already have a grasp of the subject. Not before. It never works like they hope.

    Mrs Stitch

    December 3, 2019 at 11:04 PM

    • +1

      destructure

      December 4, 2019 at 8:04 PM

    • Never mind drilling them in math, drill them in trusting a calculator to do arithmetic. I pay for everything with cash and I guess most people don’t do that anymore. At least once a week some confused clerk basically freezes up while trying to make change. The total will be $26.78 and I’ll hand over $32.03 and the clerk will panic in confusion, often trying to hand me back the $1 bills. Just punch the damn numbers in the machine, please don’t try to think, just add up the number and do what the machine tells you.

      bobbybobbob

      December 5, 2019 at 1:14 AM

      • I realize you’d rather get a $5 and a quarter back than three $1s, two dimes and two pennies. But I’d expect MOST cashiers to fumble with it. Of course, they can do it. They’re just not expecting it and not sure what you’re doing. Why? Because almost no one else does that. Sure. Someone might give an extra dollar to get a $5 back instead of four $1s. Or they might add extra pennies to get a quarter back instead of a handful of change. But most people don’t do both. So that throws the cashiers off. Especially after sitting there for several hours on auto-pilot. Not to mention, there’s usually a line of people waiting. So they’re on the spot with a little bit of pressure. Since you already know it’s a problem, why keep doing it? Are you a boomer or something? “These young whipper snappers today don’t know how to make change. Back in my day, we not only knew the value of a penny but how to count them, too!” hahah

        destructure

        December 5, 2019 at 10:23 PM

  12. Comment at NYT

    My mother who had a 3rd. grade education and a superior mind taught my brother and I how to read before we went off to Kindergarten because she didn’t want us to “embarrass the family”. She and my father questioned us at the end of every school day and filled in the many subject gaps of our teachers. My brother is a Doctor and I was an engineer before retirement. It ain’t the curriculum it’s “who are the parents ” that count the most.

    He does not mention that this might be hereditary. He likely would have done fine without “tiger” parents. A mother who could teach reading with only a Grade 3 education? Likely from rural China.

    The commenters repeatedly talk about “dumbing down.”

    Frau Katze

    December 4, 2019 at 2:33 AM

    • “A mother who could teach reading with only a Grade 3 education? Likely from rural China.”

      Doubtful. The guy said he was retired so this was probably in the 1950s. There weren’t many asians in America in the 50’s. And this would have put his parents born in the late 30s. That was before society had sorted itself and become stratified. Which really started in earnest with the boomers. Prior to then, the working class still had a lot of really smart people. There’s still a few bright people from the working class and always will be. But not nearly as many as before. Now, of course, smart people from working class families are disproportionately immigrant because they came from countries with less opportunity. But that’s becoming less common, as well.

      destructure

      December 4, 2019 at 8:34 PM

      • There weren’t many Americans who would have had only a. Grade 3 education in the 1950s.. But maybe some.

        There were a few Chinese in the Western Canada and US, descended from the 19th century lot who cane to work on the railroads.

        But it’s unlikely their descendants would only have Grade 3 education either, They completely assimilated.

        Hispanic maybe?

        Frau Katze

        December 5, 2019 at 3:08 AM

      • My last comment assumed younger ages for the mother and son. Assuming his mother was 20 when he was born and that he’s 62, that would mean she was born in the 1930s at the latest. But if his mother had him in her 30s and he’s in his 80s, she could have been born in the early 1900s.

        Regardless, there were more people born in the 1930s who left school early than most people realize. And, for someone born in the early 1900s, it would have been the norm. Bare in mind, there wasn’t even a federal law against child labor until 1938. And that didn’t even cover ~500,000 children working in agriculture.

        The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.

        destructure

        December 6, 2019 at 12:14 AM

  13. This does not sound good. Another comment at NYT

    I’m a teacher. The “decades long attempt to increase standards” has been counteracted by several other educational trends that lower standards.

    The biggest evidence for this is graduation rates, which have have gone through the roof as test scores haven’t changed. It is virtually impossible to fail a middle school class in many areas. As a high school teacher, I routinely get students who are at a 4th, 3rd, or 2nd grade level but have gotten the “gentleman’s D-” for years. They never learn anything.

    Attendance policies have also been massively relaxed in order to prop up the graduation rate; in my school you can be absent over 15% of the time and still pass

    .

    Frau Katze

    December 4, 2019 at 2:44 AM

    • “ It is virtually impossible to fail a middle school class in many areas.“

      This was the case for City of Memphis ghetto elementary 4th graders as early as 1971 maybe earlier. I was in a class of half black and half white 4th graders a sizable % (all from one of those groups) still hadn’t learned to read but were socially promoted anyway.

      Curle

      December 4, 2019 at 4:10 PM

    • My old ghetto school passed lots of kids who should have failed. Some kids are just uneducable. I’m not saying they should be neglected. I’m just saying that school isn’t the best place for them. The schools and students would have both been better off if they’d taken a different track. I have a friend who dropped out of high school after failing every single class. He took the GED and worked in a trade for a while before starting his own successful company. He may not have been book smart but he was still plenty clever. There are plenty of “smart” people who will never accomplish half of what he has. But I wonder if he would have been successful if he had stayed in school struggling for several more years until he was beaten down and discouraged. Probably not.

      destructure

      December 4, 2019 at 8:48 PM

  14. This one is unbelievable. Presumably the mother is not the grandmother’s daughter. But her son lets the situation persist. Maybe no kids read books anymore.

    From a personal perspective: I (used to) love giving award-winning children’s books to my grandchildren. Until, on a recent occasion, I asked my 7-year-old granddaughter if she liked the book I gave her last Christmas. Her mother answered: “we’re not a family who reads.” Case closed. I was speechless. Mortified for the future of my granddaughter and her 4-year-old brother, that they’ll miss out on the rich adventures and incalculable value of reading and being read to… It makes my heart ache.

    My daughter and husband with their two kids came to town for (Canadian) Thanksgiving (first Monday in October. We went to a restaurant.

    All four kids (including my son’s two) spent the time at the restaurant glued to their tablets or phones.

    Frau Katze

    December 4, 2019 at 3:07 AM

    • Frau Katze wrote:
      “All four kids (including my son’s two) spent the time at the restaurant glued to their tablets or phones.”

      How old? They might have been playing games that didn’t require reading. Or they might have been reading e-books. There are also educational games that actually help teach kids to read.

      One advantage of getting kids a plain Kindle (rather than a tablet) is that they can’t do anything on it but read. My 8 year old granddaughter loves her Kindle and spends hours glued to it.

      Rosenmops

      December 4, 2019 at 5:42 PM

  15. MEH 0910

    December 7, 2019 at 6:53 PM


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