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If Kuwait can close mosques, why can’t we do that in the developed world?

According to the Anadoula Agency:

Kuwaiti authorities have temporarily closed mosques and amended the adhan (Muslim call to prayer) as part of its efforts to stem the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Muezzins (the person who calls for the prayer) changed the adhan to include the words “pray in your homes” instead of “come to prayer”.

On Friday, authorities in the Gulf nation temporarily suspended the five daily prayers and weekly Friday prayers at mosques as part of its fight against the disease.

This is a smart move. Religious services have been shown to be the biggest vector for transmission of the virus outside of healthcare. (Strangely there is no evidence that schools spread the virus, but it’s unknown if that’s because children just aren’t very contagious, or if we aren’t looking hard enough. I’d still recommend closing schools or at least encouraging all parents who can homeschool to do so, in order to be safer rather than sorry later. Kuwait suspended schools two weeks ago.)

If a third world country like Kuwait can be smart, especially considering how seriously the Muslims take their religion, why are we so stupid in the developed world? Why are we still allowing religious services to continue? Only the Mormon church (officially the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) has done the right thing and closed its churches.

I think the reason for this complacency in developed countries is that we have gotten into the mode of thinking that bad things happen in crappy third world countries and not here. But crappy third world countries don’t have that superiority complex, so they are able to be smarter and more proactive in containing the spread of the virus.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 14, 2020 at 10:05 AM

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  1. kuwait has a gdp per capita of $70,000, the 8th highest in the world. doesn’t seem that third world to me.

    james n.s.w

    March 14, 2020 at 10:27 AM

    • But they are third world in mind set. They bring in foreign workers and treat them like slaves. I guess money is everything.

      Rosenmops

      March 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM

      • Third World means unaligned with the Warsaw Pact nor NATO. People needed to stop using it 30 years ago. I suggest “Shithole countries” as a more accurate term.

        bobbybobbob

        March 14, 2020 at 12:43 PM

      • Bringing in foreign workers and treating them like slaves.

        Boy, I’d hate to live in a Third World country like that 🙄

        njguy73

        March 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM

      • sounds better than making native populations slaves to immigrants

        james n.s.w

        March 14, 2020 at 1:44 PM

      • How is it different from Mexicans in the US? maybe not to the same level but same concept

        Hashed

        March 14, 2020 at 6:38 PM

      • How is it different from Mexicans in the US? maybe not to the same level but same concept

        Are you joking? Mexicans get gold plated citizenship in the US, complete with free health care; fat EBT cards; AA; business conducted in their language; outsized political power; etc.; etc.

        Kuwait et al are not stupid enough to let foreigners vote in nation-wrecking politicians.

        bomag

        March 15, 2020 at 6:56 AM

      • “Third World means unaligned with the Warsaw Pact nor NATO. People needed to stop using it 30 years ago. I suggest “Shithole countries” as a more accurate term.”

        “In this case however, Kuwait isn’t a shithole country. It’s modern and rich. If you are a Kuwaiti citizen, you live well.

        Mike Street Station

        March 15, 2020 at 9:11 AM

  2. Kuwait is a very wealthy country, hardly third world. As middle eastern places go, it’s relatively liberal and cultured.

    Anthony

    March 14, 2020 at 10:35 AM

  3. Mainline Protestant churches are generally not very top-down in administration, but I do know, for example, that many UMC conferences have suspended holding church services.

    Jokah Macpherson

    March 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM

    • There’s no shortage of pastors who film their services. Staying home is not difficult in the internet age.

      Frau Katze

      March 14, 2020 at 12:41 PM

  4. Cuz those countries’ gov’ts are tyrannical.

    Tell that to a NAM who’s been telling ya da man’s keepin’ him down, man!

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    March 14, 2020 at 10:47 AM

  5. Lion, you have to comment on this article about a POS coronavirus profiteer who is looking for sympathy for his self-made plight:

    In a nutshell, this illustrates why free-market healthcare does not work, because while demand is universal, supply is not, and this should be rationed and price-controlled. This asshole and his counterparts in big healthcare simply call the price gouging a product of “market efficiencies,” and, as demonstrated, make the problem worse. The longer we tolerate this kind of behavior from individuals and corporations, the worse off we’ll be as a country.

    This idiot should be paraded through the streets as the worthless scumbag he is.

    Jack

    March 14, 2020 at 10:49 AM

    • How would one parade someone through the streets for scorn and abuse? It’s a great idea, and many deserve it, but when is the last time this ever happened in the U.S.? Does any American alive have a memory of seeing someone displayed like that, tarred/feathered, lynched, etc.? You probably meant it as a figure of speech, but how would the asshole be paraded, who would do the parading, and who would be the spectators? (Asking for a friend)

      By Jiminy

      March 14, 2020 at 11:52 AM

      • I suppose a local judge could order it as part of an agreed upon sentence to a criminal plea in lieu of jail. Force him to walk Main Street with “pandemic profiteer” hanging from his neck. A good mile or so. Hell, a pope-mobile type vehicle for his own safety would be fine, that way the rotten tomatoes and rocks wouldn’t hurt him, but he’d see the revulsion nonetheless.

        Hilarious tidbit is that this guy is as stupid as he is greedy, and his address and phone number are easily found on his own published webpages.

        Jack

        March 14, 2020 at 12:48 PM

      • There was the episode of Game of Thrones where Cercei did a walk a shame. Check out the clip on YouTube.

        njguy73

        March 14, 2020 at 1:26 PM

    • Let me play devil’s advocate here.

      They basically took the Purell from small dollar stores in rural areas (where they’re not in demand) to resell to people nationally who may need them.

      They’re making a handsome profit by reallocating resources from areas with supplies to areas of scarcity. As a New Yorker I am not going to fly to small town Tennessee to get Purell. I would have liked to buy it, even at a premium, from Amazon.

      What good has Amazon done by suspending these guys’ merchant accounts? We desperately need more Purell but 17,000 bottles are sitting in these guys’ house.

      Jimi

      March 14, 2020 at 12:42 PM

    • I’ve seen editorials at WSJ defending price gouging.

      Frau Katze

      March 14, 2020 at 12:43 PM

    • thx for the link. I went to archive.is and found I was #496 in the queue, which I had never seen before! I didnt expect online services to get overloaded quite this soon. Brave lets you through to NYT articles, but the ppl I’m sending it too don;t use the Brave browser. (No, Brave can’t break thru the WSJ paywall)

      jack cade

      March 14, 2020 at 12:46 PM

    • That guy isn’t the problem. The problem is that manufacturers haven’t raised their prices in response to the shortage. Rising prices are what draws other suppliers in to meet the shortage. Price controls make shortages worse.

      destructure

      March 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM

    • But if the price remained low, it would’ve been sold out and there’d be no incentive for anyone to increase supply.

      Tom

      March 14, 2020 at 2:23 PM

    • The reader comments are very negative. I didn’t read them all, but of the ones I read, 100% negative. I don’t understand why this was willing to have his photo and story on the front page of NYT. He’s made a whole pile of enemies.

      PS NYT said they were opening up the coronavirus articles to everyone.

      Frau Katze

      March 14, 2020 at 8:39 PM

    • The fellow’s a two-bit Martin Shkreli.

      Anthony

      March 15, 2020 at 9:12 PM

  6. In ‘02 I was discussing the prospect of Iraqi democracy with a guy from Egypt. He scoffed, “Arabs have to be told what to do.” Answers your question.

    Marty

    March 14, 2020 at 10:58 AM

  7. One reason US can’t have unified action is our rich diversity. Same reason there is a high risk for “civil unrest” riots when things go south for a while.

    fakeemail

    March 14, 2020 at 10:59 AM

  8. South Korea’s remarkably low death rate may in part be attributable to the fact that it spread mainly through a religious group. The group, which has something like 200,000 adherents, appeals heavily to younger women, so the cases have been concentrated among that demographic group. Women cope with the virus better than men do, which isn’t uncommon with viruses, and it’s rarely severe among young people.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    March 14, 2020 at 11:30 AM

  9. During the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, the mayor of Seattle closed everything down on 15 minutes’ notice, to last for two weeks. Religious leaders were upset that their congregants could not attend services for those two weeks. In response, the mayor supposedly said “any religion that can’t wait for two weeks isn’t much of a religion, is it?”

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    March 14, 2020 at 11:36 AM

    • Religious leaders were upset that their congregants could not a̶t̶t̶e̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶e̶r̶v̶i̶c̶e̶s̶ tithe for those two weeks.

      Fixed it for ya!

      destructure

      March 14, 2020 at 1:35 PM

  10. Can you imagine if the American government tried to shut down mosques? The reaction would be… instructive.

    Peterike

    March 14, 2020 at 12:06 PM

  11. Because that’s not who we are.

    Piscataway

    March 14, 2020 at 12:14 PM

  12. President Trump has been tested for the kung flu. When he tests positive, what will be the reaction?

    Fakestream media and Trump haters like Lion: Idiot! That means he’s been spreading COVID19 for weeks!! Remove him!!!!!!

    Rational people: So that means the kung flu is very mild because it didn’t slow down our 70-year-old President one iota.

    NWS4EVR

    March 14, 2020 at 12:38 PM

  13. I think the reason for this complacency in developed countries is that…

    Another hypothesis. In underdeveloped countries, the government frequently steps in to deal with problems. But in developed countries, everything pretty much runs itself through free markets. The government isn’t used to stepping in to fix things.

    destructure

    March 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM

  14. “Strangely there is no evidence that schools spread the virus, but it’s unknown if that’s because children just aren’t very contagious”

    You don’t think onlies are spreading it to grups?

    destructure

    March 14, 2020 at 1:46 PM

  15. Several states are sanctioning any public gatherings bigger than 250, which includes an awful lot of churches and other places of worship. Oregon and Washington are among them. Ireland is limiting to 100 on any indoor gathering and 500 on outdoor gathering. Lots of places are also limiting most venues to less than 50% of their rated capacity to increase distancing inside them.

    Jehu

    March 14, 2020 at 3:09 PM

    • Everyone but Indian casinos cause . . . mug diversity.

      Curle

      March 14, 2020 at 7:33 PM

      • Muh.

        Curle

        March 14, 2020 at 7:33 PM

  16. This is interesting. Political donations from members of the CDC in the 2016 cycle.

    Centers for Disease Control & Prevention
    Total: $100,247
    Dems: $95,715
    Republicans: $3,082
    % to Dems: 96%
    % to Republicans: 3%

    The media is deadly silent on the political nature of the CDC.

    Oh and it changed in 2020. It’s now 98% to Dems.

    peterike

    March 14, 2020 at 4:38 PM

    • That shouldn’t surprise anyone at this point. I went to med school during the George W. Bush administration, and I remember some fellow student who had done an internship at the NIH or some such gleefully talking about how much all the staffers there had mercilessly mocked and scorned Bush and his cabinet. ALL of our institutions are manned and controlled by the supposedly intellectual, liberal, SWPL coastal elite (even if they’re not literally on the coasts.) These people pretty much define their entire identity by “I am NOT like those ignorant, superstitious, racist Bible-thumping rednecks in flyover country.”

      Hermes

      March 14, 2020 at 6:26 PM

      • Whew…that’s why they needed LabCorp and Quest to develop diagnostic tests. Too many weirdos, women and people of color at the CDC.

        Did you catch the giggling moron of a female at Trump’s emergency declaration?

        map

        March 14, 2020 at 10:31 PM

    • What fraction of CDC workers are female?

      Alice

      March 14, 2020 at 7:17 PM

  17. i was in kuwait in 2005, on a layover from bangladesh and tried to access a gay porn site on the hotel internet, it was blocked. not sure if straight porn there is also blocked, i didn’t check

    gm

    March 14, 2020 at 11:40 PM

  18. In Australia, the Greek Orthodox Church is refusing to stop serving everyone wine from the same spoon because they believe God has bestowed in it a magical ability to resist viruses. And the Prime Minister delayed a ban on large (500+) gatherings until after his favourite evangelical megachurch (Hillsong) had a big festival over the weekend.

    Our leaders (including medical) keep claiming we’re ahead of the curve, but we’re only two weeks behind Italy’s infection count when they did a total shutdown.

    Amploid

    March 15, 2020 at 8:40 AM


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