Lion of the Blogosphere

Vanity Fair interview of Tucker Carlson

Read the interview at Vanity Fair.

It is explained that on Saturday, March 7th, Tucker Carlson had a private meeting with Trump to warn him that the coronavirus was serious. Although Trump still didn’t take it seriously for another week after that.

Back on October 3, 2019, I wrote “Most conservative news, whether it’s on Fox or the internet, is prole and anti-intellectual. (Tucker Carlson possibly excepted, the few times I watched he seemed a cut above the rest of Fox News).” So not surprising to me that Tucker Carlson was the only guy at Fox News who wasn’t a moron about the virus.

Also, note the last seven words of the same blog post: “Trump is very bad at being President.” That wasn’t such a big deal back when the country didn’t have a crisis, and life could go on as normal while the President made dumb tweets, but being a bad President is a really huge problem when there’s a crisis and we need someone who is good at being President. Trump fails over and over again to step up to the plate and act presidential.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 18, 2020 at 11:57 AM

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  1. To condemn right-wing political commentary as “anti-intellectual” is to completely miss the point. Calling people “xenophobic” for common sense complaints about immigration has been the “intellectual” stick-in-trade for 40 years. When Bill O’Reilly told his audience that California was “insane” 5 or 6 years ago, he was just right, no matter how it sounded.

    Vipltd

    March 18, 2020 at 12:21 PM

    • “Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that.” — Bill O’Reilly, explaining how he knows God exists.

      Vince

      March 18, 2020 at 4:19 PM

  2. I don’t understand why you’re so unhappy with the way Trump is handling this. Anything he does, the Dems will still complain. If he had closed all borders from the very beginning, he would be labeled “racist”. if he doesn’t close all borders, it’s “he’s not doing anything.” he can’t win either way.

    Logik

    March 18, 2020 at 12:22 PM

    • Why do cucks care so much about the msm? All that matters is having your own support base, a massive police state terror apparatus, an ideology to legitimize power, controlling major federal institutions, and having the legal authority to represent the country internationally. The president sets the agenda for the nation not the media.

      redarmyvodka

      March 18, 2020 at 2:43 PM

    • “Anything he does, the Dems will still complain”

      I don’t see any logical connection between this statement being true(and it is true) and how good a President Trump is. I judge Trump on what he does, not the media’s reaction to what he does.

      Alexander Turok

      March 18, 2020 at 6:48 PM

    • “I don’t understand why you’re so unhappy with the way Trump is handling this. Anything he does, the Dems will still complain. …”

      So what? Lion isn’t unhappy with Trump because the Democrats are complaining, Lion is unhappy with Trump because Trump has not handled this well.

      JAMES SHEARER

      March 18, 2020 at 7:32 PM

      • Actually the CDC has not handled this well.

        We aren’t even testing people.

        Alice

        March 20, 2020 at 1:19 PM

      • “Actually the CDC has not handled this well.”

        That is also true and I imagine that Lion is unhappy with them as well.

        However there are lots of things Trump could have done to prod the CDC and FDA into acting faster before the bodies started piling up.

        JAMES SHEARER

        March 20, 2020 at 7:53 PM

      • “I judge Trump on what he does, not the media’s reaction to what he does.”

        The media isn’t “reacting” to what Trump does. They’re fabricating a false narrative to manipulate the public. And I doubt most people are aware enough of the media’s influence on their thinking to avoid it.

        “Lion is unhappy with Trump because Trump has not handled this well. (..) there are lots of things Trump could have done to prod the CDC and FDA into acting faster before the bodies started piling up.”

        Trump could have used the power of the bully pulpit to goad the CDC and FDA into action. Otherwise, he can no more control the CDC than he can control the DOJ, FBI or CIA. And you’ve seen how much control he has over them. Not much. They’re all staffed by deep state bureaucrats who were there long before he was president and will be there long after he’s gone.

        The constitution doesn’t give the president authority to interfere in state matters. But he did what was in his authority to do. He instituted a travel ban from affected countries weeks ago — over the objections of Democrats I might add. He’s also made federal funds and resources available to affected states. But he doesn’t have the authority to manage the response at the state level. That’s between the governors and the CDC.

        If you don’t like the way this has been handled in your state then you need to take that up with your governor. A few days ago, Leon wrote a post praising Cuomo’s letter to the NYT. Cuomo may be taking the right steps now. But it was Cuomo’s inaction that led to this getting out of hand in the first place. This can not be overstated. Unless the president declares a State of Emergency, the authority to handle disasters rests with the state not the federal government.

        In case you don’t believe that the governor is the one in charge of handling disasters in their own states, here’s the former FEMA director Mike Fugate saying it! In fact, he stormed out of the interview over that very issue. He said that disasters are handled at the LOCAL level with guidance from the CDC and left because the other guy kept pushing leftwing talking points blaming Trump. By the way, Fugate is a Democrat who was appointed by Obama.

        destructure

        March 21, 2020 at 12:37 PM

      • “… Otherwise, he can no more control the CDC than he can control the DOJ, FBI or CIA. And you’ve seen how much control he has over them. Not much. …”

        If you stuck me at the controls of a 747 I would probably have a hard time controlling it. This isn’t because it is impossible to control a 747, it is because it requires skills that I don’t have.

        Similarly much of Trump’s inability to manage the federal bureaucracy (at least to some degree) isn’t because it is inherently impossible, it is because it requires skills and traits (such as attention to detail and patience) that Trump lacks.

        However the real issue here isn’t that he was unable to prod the CDC and FDA into action, it is that he apparently didn’t recognize the need to do so in a timely fashion.

        JAMES SHEARER

        March 21, 2020 at 2:23 PM

      • Shearer — While the first 2 paragraphs of your response may be true, the 3rd one misses the mark as well as the point in two obvious ways. First, he actually did issue a travel ban from affected countries early on. So he clearly recognized the dangers and was taking action whether he was saying so publicly or not. And, as I pointed out, Dems criticized him for it. Second, and most importantly, whether he recognized the dangers or not he didn’t have the authority to respond at the state level. It was the governors who had that authority and failed to take action. Florida’s governor is a perfect example of the point I’m making. Even after everyone recognized the seriousness, Governor DeSantis still allowed spring break to go forward. He only shut down bars, nightclubs and restaurants a few days ago long after this had gotten out of hand.

        I’m going to go out on a limb and say you probably supported impeachment. But has it not occurred to you that the Dems were trying to impeach Trump at the very moment this was getting out of hand? I’ll bet you supported that, too, didn’t you? Well, maybe if they (and you) had been more concerned about this virus than playing politics then action would have been taken sooner. And I’m not talking about action being taken by the president. Like I said, the president doesn’t have that authority. No, I’m talking about governors who had the authority to act and failed to do so. Stop scapegoating the president and start blaming the people who had the authority and didn’t act.

        STATES ARE RUN BY GOVERNORS NOT THE PRESIDENT.

        Now, repeat that until it sinks in. Because I don’t think you’ve got it yet.

        destructure

        March 22, 2020 at 7:10 AM

    • A NY Post story involving the topic of guidoism, the bad part of the Hudson Valley (Orange County in the slightly better town of Newburgh) and the commuting nightmare of riding the Metro North with a monthly pass from Beacon so one can attend an elite Catholic school in Manhattan away from riff n raff in places like Newburgh, and now his classes are cancelled due to the corona scare.

      The guido senior’s temper tantrum kicks in and wants a refund from the MTA:

      https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/student-wants-mta-to-refund-monthly-metrocard-after-coronavirus-cancels-classes/

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      March 23, 2020 at 11:01 PM

  3. ‘Also, note the last seven words of the same blog post: “Trump is very bad at being President.”’

    Did you just cite your own poast as an authority. Hilarious

    Lion’s TDS = “I live in a high-tax shithole and I want my unlimited SALT deduction back!” 🤣

    NWS4EVR

    March 18, 2020 at 12:29 PM

    • I’m quite certain that a disproportionate proportion of the Trump tax cut went to people in “high-tax shitholes.” Because that’s where the people who own shares in corporations live. They sure as hell don’t live in my neighborhood.

      Anonymous

      March 18, 2020 at 10:04 PM

      • “I’m quite certain that a disproportionate proportion of the Trump tax cut went to people in “high-tax shitholes.”

        Wrong. I earn less than 70,000 per year and our President cut my taxes 3,500 annually. My family members and friends with large mortgages saw their taxes go up a little. Our President cut middle-class taxes BIGLY.

        NWS4EVR

        March 19, 2020 at 12:30 PM

      • I didn’t say the trump tax cut didn’t benefit the middle class. It just didn’t benefit them(or Red America) disproportionately. Take the following numbers from the Tax Foundation:

        “If fully implemented, the proposal would reduce federal revenue by $1.47 trillion over the next decade on a static basis (Figure 2) using a current law baseline. The plan would reduce individual income tax revenue, excluding the changes for noncorporate business tax filers, by $1.1 trillion over the next decade. Tax revenue from the corporate income tax and from taxation of pass-through business income would fall by $617 billion. The remainder of the revenue loss would be due to the doubling of the estate tax exemption, resulting in a revenue loss of $72 billion.”

        https://taxfoundation.org/final-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-details-analysis/

        A full 1/3rd of the benefit went to corporations and their shareholders. That 1/3rd went to a small sliver of the population concentrated in places like Manhattan.

        I know a lot of you believe there’s some law of physics that says you can’t cut middle class taxes without giving a much larger tax cut to Soros and the Koch brothers.

        Anonymous

        March 19, 2020 at 10:28 PM

    • “Lion’s TDS = “I live in a high-tax shithole and I want my unlimited SALT deduction back!” 🤣”

      I may have underestimated how the SALT tax has driven some people, right or left, in blue areas insane. I remember when Trump’s tax bill was first passed, the ONE issue the lefties were angry about was SALT. If a democrat wins in November and they raise taxes, the one area they will be giving tax breaks back to the rich will be a restored unlimited SALT.

      Mike Street Station

      March 19, 2020 at 5:38 AM

  4. I could tell my local GOP was taking their cues from Fox and Trump. Them they turned on a dime last week.

    Rush has been bad in this too. He harped on “overblown” every show to where he was unlistenable. I wonder if he’s roaring along on opioids again while he’s in treatment? The stuff makes you way too sanguine.

    Mrs Stitch

    March 18, 2020 at 12:39 PM

    • Rush probably has probably been told he only has a few months left to live. He has probably made his piece with the inevitable fate that everyone must someday deal with. At least until immortality comes to our shores.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      March 18, 2020 at 2:31 PM

    • Nobody claimed pandemics didn’t exist or that US healthcare doesn’t suck. What we did claim was that past pandemics did immense damage during periods of war, chaos, upheaval, and collapse. That isn’t occurring now and governments are much better prepared both domestically and internationally. Trump is doing a great job on all fronts. This whole thing will be remembered as Iran hostage crisis 2.0 which was a massive deal at the time but in reality a US embassy attack somewhere in crapistan had no real effect on people’s lives. The problem was Carter never played it down and instead bought into the media hype which was politically motivated costing him the election.

      redarmyvodka

      March 18, 2020 at 2:49 PM

  5. I’ve been wondering how people would have reacted to this virus, say, 40 years ago. I had a look at the average age in the UK in 1975 and it was 34, as opposed to 40 now. European societies are ageing, and I suppose this accounts for much of the hysteria of the response and worry over death tolls.

    Personally, I’d have rather the government here encouraged the old and the weak to self-isolate, whilst the rest of us carried on, as far as possible, going to work and building up an immunity, thus avoiding the terrible damage to the economy that it looks like we are going to suffer. And it does seem like the government wanted to do something like this, but then did a U turn, and I can understand why: it is politically impossible to be honest enough to tell the country that maybe a couple of hundred thousand very elderly and sick people are going to have to die, but that this is a price worth paying to avoid millions losing their job and businesses, and sufffering a depression. And so, for the sake of giving 85 year olds an extra six months of miserable life, we are going to spend trliions shutting the whole country down. And if I am going to be accused of being heartless for saying this, then would those people have been willing to spend a few trillion extending the lives of 80 year olds if we had no virus? If not, then what’s the difference? Our societies cannot be held hostage in this way. People get old and weak for a reason. They are supposed to die.

    There is already a lot of generational resentment in the West, and I would not be surprised if this becomes a lot worse in the coming months. Maybe in America this will be even more so, and with a racial tinge, as black/brown Americans look at Trump. Biden and Sanders and see a load of elderly white men trying to out-do each other (as they would see it) in giving away all the public money that was rightfully theirs to their felllow elderly whites in order to cling to life with their withered, cold white hands.

    prolier than thou

    March 18, 2020 at 1:41 PM

    • This is the correct take on the issue, and one that the cowardly follow the leader media will not let see the light of day. There is no way this type of isolation would have been mandated in the 1970’s, or at any point in the past. We are not talking about AIDS that is being spread through casual contact, or something like the 1918 flu, but something much much much less lethal and for what, so that 70-80 year olds can have their extra 3-4 years of poor quality of life. The entire west has gone insane, although readers of this blog already know that. That insanity is now manifesting itself in a different, more damaging way.

      Mack Williamson

      March 18, 2020 at 2:01 PM

    • “Personally, I’d have rather the government here encouraged the old and the weak to self-isolate, whilst the rest of us carried on, as far as possible, going to work and building up an immunity,”

      Those aged 50-60 years have a 1.3% mortality rate. Those are the people running everything. The folks who’ve watched the snowflakes whine for 30 years through one dumbing down and participation trophy exercise after another and they are hesitant to turn over the wheel to these people. For good reason.

      Maybe if we’d hadn’t pushed retirement age out so far more would have retired in their 50s but they didn’t.

      We have three sub 50 age managerial class people in my office and one is a blithering patronage idiot whose entire career wouldn’t exist but for society’s efforts to stretch the boundary of equity beyond all reason. What to do?

      Curle

      March 18, 2020 at 2:07 PM

      • Maybe we should just kill all the old people before they get sick like they do in Logan’s run.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 18, 2020 at 2:33 PM

      • > Those aged 50-60 years have a 1.3% mortality rate.

        Total nonsense. The total age adjusted mortality stats are going to show in three weeks that nobody is dying. And tons of chicken-littles are going to look like idiots.

        bobbybobbob

        March 18, 2020 at 2:51 PM

      • Thousands have already died from the virus, and millions could die if it spreads.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 18, 2020 at 3:16 PM

      • “The total age adjusted mortality stats are going to show in three weeks that nobody is dying.”

        An otherwise healthy 50 year old from my employer is in ICU right now reportedly in very bad shape and has this virus. What on earth are you smoking?

        Curle

        March 18, 2020 at 3:53 PM

      • > Thousands have already died from the virus

        If that’s true then it will be clear in the total mortality figures. My firm prediction is that it won’t be clear at all. If you didn’t “know” there was an epidemic, you won’t be able to find it in the data.

        bobbybobbob

        March 18, 2020 at 4:34 PM

      • “Thousands have already died from the virus, and millions could die if it spreads.”

        Millions will die whether it spreads or not. It’s called the “circle of life”.

        “Maybe we should just kill all the old people before they get sick like they do in Logan’s run.”

        +1

        “If you didn’t ‘know’ there was an epidemic, you won’t be able to find it in the data.”

        If I hadn’t read about the virus then I still wouldn’t know about it. I still don’t know anyone who’s tested positive. And if I knew someone with it then I’d assume it was just another cold or flu. This still hasn’t shown up in my life other than store shelves being sparse. And that has more to do with panic buying than the virus itself. I’m not saying we shouldn’t take measures but, so far, this is still a big nothing burger.

        destructure

        March 19, 2020 at 6:00 AM

      • “Thousands have already died from the virus, and millions could die if it spreads”

        Good. Some good old fashion life death cycling, the polite way thanks to Mother Nature.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        March 19, 2020 at 11:45 PM

    • Completely agree with the first two paragraphs. I’ve been taking the possibility of old people dying and hospitals becoming overwhelmed seriously and isolating myself to a large degree, but it’s increasingly looking like the economic fallout will destroy far more lives than coronavirus would have if we’d done absolutely nothing.

      Really can’t believe this is happening.

      Philadelphia update: burglary, car theft, and other “petty” crimes have been legalized (seriously) and there will be no remote instruction from schools that are closed because of “equity concerns.”

      Horace Pinker

      March 18, 2020 at 2:20 PM

      • Doing absolutely nothing would have been worse because as the death toll mounted, people would have stayed home anyway. Look at the private business that were a week or two ahead of the Trump Administration and most state government. Look at the states like Virginia and Florida that have had to been dragged into reason.

        Also, if the healthcare system is overwhelmed, other ailments that should not be fatal become fatal..

        It is amazing how many people are ready to kill grandma off so that waiters can keep their jobs.

        superdestroyer

        March 18, 2020 at 6:13 PM

      • It isn’t going to be just waiters losing their jobs, if this goes on for more than a couple weeks. Thousands of small businesses could close, and even many highly paid professionals could be laid off.

        Lowe

        March 19, 2020 at 7:30 AM

      • A depression that results in bread lines and civil unrest would make doing nothing look like a better alternative. I don’t expect that to happen, but things are looking increasingly dire and I’m not sure what to expect.

        How many working class families who are living paycheck to paycheck need to be evicted from their apartments or default on their mortgages before we decide that shutting down a 22 trillion economy to protect the elderly doesn’t look like a wise decision?

        And of course, I don’t want anyone’s grandma to die early. IMO, we should have found a way to quarantine everyone over 70 so that we’re not talking about the trade-offs between letting old people die and letting the economy get wrecked in the first place.

        I don’t know. Hopefully Goldman Sachs is right and this is more like 9/11 than 2008, but I’m not counting on it.

        Horace Pinker

        March 19, 2020 at 9:21 AM

      • This is more like 1929 than either 9/11 or 2008.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 19, 2020 at 9:46 AM

      • If the U.S. is the one country that decides to let the epidemic burn itself out and tolerate a million deaths, then the U.S. could be hit harder than everyone else. First, there is no real choice to do nothing. Many people would stay home and many business would still be closed. More people will riot if employers try to force them to work and get sick.

        Second, if the U.S. does not care about the health of its residents, then every other country in the world will close its borders to the U.S. Tourism does not recover if no one from the rest of the world will come here. Aviation does not recovery if U.S. planes cannot land outside the U.S. If the Port of Long Beach remains empty.

        There is no clever trick or half-step that will solve the Covid issues. The way to help the economy recover is to get through the epidemic as quickly as possible and the U.S. will not do that while allowing beaches to stay open, people to keep partying at bars, and big fat weddings to continue.

        superdestroyer

        March 19, 2020 at 10:01 AM

      • “This is more like 1929 than either 9/11 or 2008.”

        Except this depression is manufactured by Democratic governors and the hatestream media. I hope to see a decoupling where GOP states preserve the Trump Miracle as DNC states sink into Depression.

        NWS4EVR

        March 19, 2020 at 12:41 PM

      • “A depression that results in bread lines and civil unrest would make doing nothing look like a better alternative. I don’t expect that to happen, but things are looking increasingly dire and I’m not sure what to expect.”

        I didn’t expect that to happen initially, but in Florida the governor has shut down every restaurant in the state. We could tolerate one or two days of that, but most of those businesses have very tight margins. Many of them will be effectively bankrupt soon and if you want to see an exponential viral spreading of bankruptcy, just wait a few days.

        I think that if we had the data now to see, the country is effectively in another Great Depression by now. I hope the calculus of the increase in suicides and wrecked lives make these draconian measures worthwhile, but that seems increasingly unlikely.

        Mike Street Station

        March 21, 2020 at 7:29 AM

    • “And so, for the sake of giving 85 year olds an extra six months of miserable life, we are going to spend trliions shutting the whole country down.”

      So business as usual? The medical system does this every day, fleecing families out of 100s of thousands of dollars for a few extra months. It’s hard to make such final decisions and I don’t blame families for doing it, but the federal government should know better. I think Trump knows better, but he is currently being outmaneuvered by the fear mongers and was forced to “do something”.

      The worst part is this shut down isn’t going to do anything other than delay the exponential growth for two weeks. You’d need to shut down everything for 30 days to allow for all cases to express themselves and vigorously test people to make sure the virus is extinct.

      I’m not convinced old people have to even die if we went business as usual, all they had to do was order people to self quarantine and offer increased social security payments/they could stimulate the economy with temporary employment by paying young people who test negative for Covid 19 to live with the elderly and take care of them.

      This isn’t the big one and I pray the big one never comes because it is obvious between the hand wringing morons and the people who don’t understand economics that we would be royally FUCKED.

      It’s bad karma to abandon people to their fates, but this economic destruction is going to drive way more people to suicide and leave many others economically disadvantaged for life. One last fuck you from boomers I guess. Even that’s not correct, since boomers seem unafraid and didn’t want any of these measures. Preferring instead to live their last days boldly and not hide in fear like cowards from an almost imaginary enemy.

      Anyway, God Bless America.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

      March 18, 2020 at 2:29 PM

      • Almost all of your problems can be traced to the (ridiculous) idea of public employee unions. Which was foisted on us by Silents. Who would you rather execute, Jerry/Willie Brown, or any boomer you can name?

        Marty

        March 18, 2020 at 5:18 PM

    • It’s amazing that people are still deluded as to the nature of this virus. No, you’re not safe just because you’re under 70 or 60 or 50 or even 40. There are young, healthy people in ICUs around the world who will suffer permanent, in many cases debilitating lung fibrosis from ARDS. If you snapped your fingers and magically made the elderly and infirm disappear, this virus would still be a catastrophe for the word’s remaining young and healthy population.

      Lion, your readership has a significant fraction of outright morons, I’m sorry to say. I would go so far as to argue a significant fraction of them would be even more incompetent than Trump during this crisis were they President.

      Wang Hu

      March 18, 2020 at 6:53 PM

      • “Lion, your readership has a significant fraction of outright morons,”

        Sadly, I don’t disagree.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 18, 2020 at 10:55 PM

      • “There are young, healthy people in ICUs around the world who will suffer permanent, in many cases debilitating lung fibrosis from ARDS.”

        That’s true. So younger people should be careful as well. But it’s still a very small percentage. Young, healthy people are at much lower risk from this.

        destructure

        March 19, 2020 at 6:10 AM

      • We wouldn’t have these problems were it not for bat soup!

        You Chinamen must stop eating wild animals and bat soup!

        redarmyvodka

        March 19, 2020 at 10:56 PM

      • I want economic sanctions on China until they prove that there are no more wet markets, and they are producing and inspecting food the way it occurs in the West.

        The CCP is so proud of how they build things quickly. So let them build an effective FDA and outlaw the consumption of wild pangolins, bats, etc, or if not then ban all their exports indefinitely.

        Lowe

        March 20, 2020 at 8:57 AM

      • “young, healthy people in ICUs around the world who will suffer permanent, in many cases debilitating lung fibrosis from ARDS.”

        I am not familiar with this. Can you explain this?

        Alice

        March 20, 2020 at 1:34 PM

      • “I want economic sanctions on China until they prove that there are no more wet markets”

        That had crossed my mind, too.

        destructure

        March 20, 2020 at 2:58 PM

    • “And if I am going to be accused of being heartless for saying this, then would those people have been willing to spend a few trillion extending the lives of 80-year-olds if we had no virus? If not, then what’s the difference?”

      U.S. GDP is about 19 trillion, healthcare spending is 17% of that: 3.25 trillion dollars.

      Alexander Turok

      March 18, 2020 at 6:55 PM

      • “healthcare spending is 17% of that: 3.25 trillion dollars.”

        t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ healthcare spending is too damn high!

        destructure

        March 19, 2020 at 6:13 AM

    • “I’ve been wondering how people would have reacted to this virus, say, 40 years ago”

      Forty years ago? We wouldn’t even have done this in 2009.

      Mike Street Station

      March 19, 2020 at 5:41 AM

  6. « You don’t get populist politics unless your institutions are failing. Because satisfied people don’t resort to populist politics. »

    —-> Trump is not over because of unemployment, recession, death and rage ! And a senescent Biden isn’t a hope bringer

    Bruno

    March 18, 2020 at 2:11 PM

    • This is a major gift to Biden.

      The more he talks, the more obvious his brainlessness is.

      Now Biden has an excuse to hide.

      Media/Dems must be terrified that the presumptive dem nominees, the front runners, are very vulnerable to this illness.

      Alice

      March 20, 2020 at 1:37 PM

  7. You don’t even have to force the old to self-quarantine. If they want to go out, let them. They know the possible consequences. if they want to self-quarantine, let them.

    Just have society act the way it does with a normal flu. Yes, a few more old people will die, but so what? I think this particular flu makes decisions easy. It attacks the old, not the young! If children were dying more, as usually happens in infectious diseases, it would be a lot more difficult to handle, practically (and emotionally).

    PS I’m 70. And I am MUCH more terrified about the economic consequences for myself and my family than of dying of coronavirus. The old who really suffer are over 80 and in poor health. They are going to die soon anyway.

    Amused Observer

    March 18, 2020 at 2:56 PM

    • Amused Observer wrote:

      “PS I’m 70. And I am MUCH more terrified about the economic consequences for myself and my family than of dying of coronavirus”

      _____________________

      Are you self isolating? You can’t take the money with you, you know.

      Rosebmops

      March 18, 2020 at 5:36 PM

    • “PS I’m 70. And I am MUCH more terrified about the economic consequences for myself and my family than of dying of coronavirus”

      My elderly parents say the same thing. I’m sure it is a very common sentiment, they are after all a more stoical generation. They have children and grandchildren and would not want them to suffer. But who is asking them?

      I must say I find Lion’s new found ‘won’t somebody think of the old people’ attitude quite puzzzling. In all my long years of reading this blog in its various forms I don’t ever recall him giving a single fuck about the elderly until this happened. It’s almost as if, having called the Corona virus early, he now wants the measures to be as dramatic as possible to throw his prediction into the most dramatic light possible. It’s like this is ‘his’ virus now, and every old person that gets it is like his Corona grandpa and grandma; and he wants to save them all. He seems to have developed a kind of emotional investment bias about it. It rather reminds me of those people who were crying buckets for the migrants entering Germany in 2015. Easy virtue that costs nothing. Or at least nothing that he didn’t already have to pay.

      Personally, I’m watching the news, looking at the fact that the British government has pledged £350 billion to British business, which is 15% of GDP, and thinking that this is probably only the start, and that this could go on for a year, at the end of which we have spent trillions and if there is no vaccine then we may well still be in exactly the same situation, with presumably Lion telling us we must soldier on and shoulder another few trillion for the greater good. There are a lot of people who cannot afford to live like this for a few weeks, let alone months. We weren’t in a good financial position even before this began.

      We may have to end up having to let the virus run its course anyway but in the meantime Britain will be saddled with sky-high public and private debt and collosal taxes to pay for it all, countless businesses closed down, lives ruined, historic pubs, theatres etc gone forever, and the loss to cultural life that this entails….in a couple of years Britain could well be Poland, but with added third-world cultural enrichment. But hey, Lion still remembers that first Wether’s Original that his grandfather gave him, etc. Pah! Utter madness.

      prolier than thou

      March 18, 2020 at 6:37 PM

      • prolier than thou wrote:
        “I must say I find Lion’s new found ‘won’t somebody think of the old people’ attitude quite puzzzling. ”

        —————————————

        So you are surprised Lion is a normal human being, and not some sort of hateful psycho like many of his readers apparently are? You think it is normal make fun of people who don’t laugh at cruel and morbid jokes?

        You write: “Britain will be saddled with sky-high public and private debt and collosal taxes to pay for it all, countless businesses closed down, lives ruined, historic pubs, theatres etc gone forever,”

        Isn’t this a bit dramatic? Businesses won’t close down, they will just go into hibernation. The historic pubs survived the black death, and they will survive this.

        Are you angry at the government for telling people to stay home and force pubs and theatres to close? Even if the government didn’t do this, most people would stay home anyways because they don’t want to catch the virus and don’t want to pass it on to others.

        Young people can also get very sick.
        ” …report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported. ”

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/younger-adults-comprise-big-portion-of-coronavirus-hospitalizations-in-u-s/ar-BB11nGEB

        Rosenmops

        March 19, 2020 at 12:46 AM

      • “In all my long years of reading this blog in its various forms I don’t ever recall him giving a single fuck about the elderly until this happened.”

        It is odd. I wonder if he’s on a break and had a co-blogger.

        Mike Street Station

        March 19, 2020 at 5:45 AM

      • “So you are surprised Lion is a normal human being, and not some sort of hateful psycho like many of his readers apparently are?”

        Are you talking about the same guy who supported Weinstein and trivialized 14 year olds being raped?

        destructure

        March 19, 2020 at 10:44 AM

      • I didn’t SUPPORT Weinstein, I gave him advice.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 19, 2020 at 11:02 AM

      • He also *loves* terminating black fetuses. I guess an 81 year old black fetus with diabetes and a cold is worth getting all choked up over. But a seven month old one? He’s ready to dive in there with a scalpel himself.

        bobbybobbob

        March 19, 2020 at 12:34 PM

      • “In all my long years of reading this blog in its various forms I don’t ever recall him giving a single fuck about the elderly until this happened.”

        Who worries about old people in normal times? They don’t work. They aren’t robbing liquor stores. They are no longer forced to show obedience to neoliberal SS officers in HR departments to keep their jobs. And they live on retirement or social security. Aside from a few aging billionaires still around causing trouble like Soros and Koch, why would they be a subject of interest for this blog?

        I’m sure if one got bonked on the head by a NAM he’d cover the event sympathetically.

        Curle

        March 20, 2020 at 8:41 AM

    • “Yes, a few more old people will die, but so what?“

      People age 50 are dying. People age 50 are not old.

      Curle

      March 18, 2020 at 11:54 PM

      • People age 50 are dead from kungflu because their lungs were weak and diseased already. This virums doesn’t hurt healthy people. I already had coronachan in late January: Lethargy and mild fever. It lasted four days. Gayest flu I ever had.

        NWS4EVR

        March 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM

      • How do you know that? Were you tested?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 19, 2020 at 1:24 PM

  8. What’s the biggest threat to your retirement savings? If you said something other than inflation then you’re a moron. You’ll lose a lot more money burying it in the backyard for 40 years than riding the ups and downs of the market. Yet no one pays much attention to inflation. That’s the situation with our government. How Trump did or didn’t handle this is irrelevant in the long term. But the way the establishment has been running things is slowly destroying our nation. I’d much rather have someone who “is very bad at being President” than someone who is very good at destroying our nation.

    destructure

    March 18, 2020 at 3:44 PM

    • As I think I said in an another thread here, we are definitely about to find out the reality of MMT this year. $4 trillion deficits? If the MMTers are right it will be no problem and things will chug along.

      I bet later this month people start panicking out of treasuries and back into stocks as they realize the government is about to nuke the dollar with infinity bailouts. At least when you own a blue chip company you have some hard assets. New all time highs in the DOW coming, at least in nominal terms.

      bobbybobbob

      March 18, 2020 at 11:06 PM

    • What if anything has Trump/other Republicans done in the last 4 years to combat the threat of hyperinflation?

      hdo

      March 19, 2020 at 12:15 AM

      • Inflation wasn’t really the point of my comment. It was an analogy. I was comparing the slow, silent damage done to our nation by the establishment to the slow, silent destruction of wealth via inflation.

        destructure

        March 19, 2020 at 9:25 AM

  9. Squabbling about whether Trump was a few weeks late in acknowledging the severity of the crisis will soon be inconsequential. The broader truth is that the Coronavirus is proving Trump right. He was ahead of the curve on the dangers of open borders and relying on goods and services from China, a nation that does not have our best interest at heart. We are now learning this the hard way, in real time, with real human lives.
    When Trump sets his mind to something it gets done. He now knows what is riding on this, and my guess is that he will mobilize everything in his power to win this fight. He is a war time President now, and the American people are not going to blame him for a recession that he did not create. If anything, they will slowly rally around him with the increasing awareness that nationalism is the best way forward. The Coronavirus is one of those events that happens about every ten years that reshapes consciousness. Just like the migrant crisis, Trump’s election and Brexit it will push the western world farther inward and farther right. Except that this is the MAIN event. increasing desire for protectionism and economic nationalism will pave the way for Trump’s reelection. The long term historical trend is still in his favor.

    B.T.D.T.

    March 18, 2020 at 4:12 PM

  10. Tucker makes a great point about the Chinese having us by the short hairs on pharmaceuticals. To use them as a secondary or tertiary source for generic drugs is OK, but to depend on them for 97%? That’s nuts. These drugs are essentially a commodity once they’re off patent, and who says they can’t be made in Vietnam or the Philippines or Mexico?

    Suppose the Chinese were to make good on their threat to cut us off? A couple of possibilities come to mind: first, punitive tariffs if not an outright embargo on all Chinese goods. Second, you kick out all 150,000 Chinese students attending American universities and send them home, so as to make it tougher for them to conduct espionage. Then, have a friendly chat with the president of Mexico and let him know that we’d love to have them play a bigger role in our supply chain, all he has to do is take a few million of his people back and we’ll see to it that they have jobs making stuff to export to the USA.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    March 18, 2020 at 5:13 PM

    • We should think about restoring the old tax benefits that Puerto Rico had that expanded the pharmaceutical industry there. After the tax benefits expired, Pharmaceutical companies closed shop and left.

      For China presumably.

      Mike Street Station

      March 19, 2020 at 5:48 AM

  11. My colleagues are all professional “intellectuals.” They have taken this far LESS seriously than the public at large. It has been eye-opening to realize how cut off from reality they are.

    SQ

    March 18, 2020 at 5:25 PM

  12. Trump is doing a fine job and your endless bleating is growing tiresome. Oh well.

    Meanwhile, our idiot media continues to worry about “racism.” This exchange that happened today show why Trump is precisely the plain-speaking, no BS President we need.

    Q Okay. Why do you keep calling this the “Chinese virus”? There are reports of dozens of incidents of bias against Chinese Americans in this country [half probably fake, half picayune nonsense]. Your own aide, Secretary Azar, says he does not use this term. He says, “Ethnicity does not cause the virus.” Why do you keep using this? A lot of —

    THE PRESIDENT: Because it comes from China. [Simply epic response!]

    Q — people say it’s racist.

    THE PRESIDENT: It’s not racist at all. No. Not at all. It comes from China. That’s why. It comes from China. I want to be accurate.

    Q And no concerns about Chinese Americans —

    THE PRESIDENT: Yeah, please, John.

    Q — in this country?

    THE PRESIDENT: No.

    Q And to the aides behind you, are you comfortable with this term?

    THE PRESIDENT: No, I have a great — I have great love for all of the people from our country. But, as you know, China tried to say at one point — maybe they stopped now — that it was caused by American soldiers. That can’t happen. It’s not going to happen — not as long as I’m President. It comes from China.

    —————
    Who else is gonna give you that?

    Also, tests are about to ramp up dramatically. Many actions are being taken. A vaccine is in the pipeline. A self-test is in the works. It’s all coming together quite nicely. Comparing the vastness of the United States and its mish-mash population to what some tiny place like Singapore did or ethnically homogeneous Korea did is stupid. The U.S. is uniquely challenged in many ways. We also don’t have the ability to impose draconian top-down measures as easily as China because States still have many defined rights, even now. Are we all forgetting the many videos of Chinese people having mental breakdowns due to the crackdown? Good or bad, that just won’t play in America.

    We have to deal with what we have: a very stupid, multi-cultural population; a wishy-washy approach to law enforcement; a sclerotic government bureaucracy; a hostile elite, a hostile press, and a hostile Democrat party. The 98% Democrat contributor CDC is probably the most blameworthy in this for slowing things down the most at the start.

    The economic fall-out is the most problematic thing, but that can come bouncing back quickly when things settle down.

    peterike

    March 18, 2020 at 5:25 PM

    • > tests are about to ramp up dramatically

      The tests do not work anywhere and cannot be made to work. The entire methodology is totally untested in any statistical sense.

      It *might* work in tiny controlled scenarios with ultra-competent people handling every single complex step of the process. There is no way it can produce anything but total garbage data on a mass scale.

      bobbybobbob

      March 18, 2020 at 11:12 PM

      • “ The tests do not work anywhere and cannot be made to work.”

        Apparently testing worked remarkably well in the first town to implement it for everyone. Vo’ in Italy.

        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/eradicated-coronavirus-mass-testing-covid-19-italy-vo

        Curle

        March 20, 2020 at 8:46 AM

      • Type I error. Most places are having zero problems, whether they test or not.

        It’s like these dumb stories about 1918 flu I keep seeing over and over again where they say such and such a city did this, but this other city did that and look at the consequences. Well, only a minority of cities anywhere had big problems, and the distribution was quite random.

        bobbybobbob

        March 20, 2020 at 6:35 PM

      • “Type I error. Most places are having zero problems, whether they test or not.”

        You didn’t read the article. Vo’, the town featured, had the first death in Italy. They did comprehensive testing and isolated 89 people with the infection. After quarantining these people for two weeks six remained with the illness. These were quarantined further. Vo’ is now 100% virus free.

        Are you of the opinion that the first death is the only Vo’ would have experienced? If so, how do you explain the spread of the contagion and accompanying deaths?

        Curle

        March 20, 2020 at 10:32 PM

    • “Trump is doing a fine job”

      There is no way you sincerely believe that, at least on the virus issue. He has completely botched this. The markets know this.

      The only smart thing Trump has done is to get the media into a tizzy about “racism” which distracts them from talking about his incompetence and poor leadership, and makes Trump sympathetic to a lot of Americans because he is now being attacked over a silly issue. This is really Trump’s only skill – the ability to reframe the media story lines to work in his favor. But in a crisis that is not really the skill a leader needs.

      Peter Akuleyev

      March 19, 2020 at 5:57 AM

  13. As one of the older people who reads this blog I’d like to say that I’m old and gray but hopefully here to stay, at least for a while longer. At 80 years plus, I understand that I’m likely a relatively short timer. However, I’d like to hang around for a bit longer. I’m glad that my own kids don’t feel like some of the people on this site do about getting rid of their parents. Let warn those of you who feel this way and are still young enough not to be in the endangered age group, time has a way of flying by and this won’t be the last Virus to hit the US.
    Remember Karma has a way of biting those who deserve it in the butt.

    Oden's Raven

    March 18, 2020 at 5:26 PM

    • Great name and thanks for your input/contribution. Yes people here are stupid & many are anti-Trump. The presidency is all that matters & Trump is the best leader we could have hoped for. The president defines the era for both good and bad but in our case mostly good.

      redarmyvodka

      March 20, 2020 at 1:44 AM

  14. Italian mortality:
    80+: 9.3%
    70s: 5.1%
    60s: 2.2%
    50s: 0.6%
    40s: 0.15%
    30s: 0.08%
    20s: 0.03%
    10s: 0.006%
    0s: 0.002%

    Italian hospitalization:
    80s: 27.3%
    70s: 24.3%
    60s: 16.6%
    50s: 10.2%
    40s: 4.9%
    30s: 3.2%
    20s: 1.2%
    10s: 0.3%
    0s: 0.1%

    Of the 80s, 70.9% of those hospitalized require critical care. For 70s, it’s 43.2%; for 60s, it’s 27.4%. 50s: 12.2%. 40s: 6.3% and 5% for everyone 0-39.

    GMR

    March 18, 2020 at 5:42 PM

    • Damn.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      March 18, 2020 at 11:58 PM

    • What is a nonsense divided by guess? These figures are garbage. The tests do not work. Period. They don’t work. There are dozens of papers out of China and Korea on this now.

      The diagnostic criteria that don’t involve tests are also basically nonsense. It’s anyone with pulmonary symptoms.

      Given that this is clearly part of a deliberately hyped campaign, the only figure that will mean anything is body count. Regardless of claimed cause of death, How Many dead people are there, and how many people died this time last year?

      bobbybobbob

      March 19, 2020 at 12:57 AM

    • Could you please provide the cite for this, significant digits to three places means that the authors do not know what they are doing.

      superdestroyer

      March 19, 2020 at 5:50 AM

    • And those figures are the absolute worst-case. Most young people have symptoms so mild, they never seek treatment: these folks are never counted in the denominators. The mortality rate for younguns is at least one order of magnitude lower.

      I’ve had kungflu. This virus is gay AF.

      NWS4EVR

      March 19, 2020 at 12:51 PM

      • The other gay line that’s making the fear monger rounds (including here) is “ZOMG permanent lung damage!!!”

        Guess what, that’s not how it works. I was WuFlued last week and it hurt to breathe. Just went on a run, and guess what, it sucked. My heart was nearly exploding and I was breathing way harder than mere de-training would have caused. It will heal up over the next few weeks and I’ll be fine. I know this because I’ve been through it a couple times before.

        I also know it because I read the actual damn research on respiratory infections and don’t automatically believe scaremongers on the internet.

        bobbybobbob

        March 19, 2020 at 2:34 PM

  15. What is so wrong with how Trump reacted? He was actually faster to implement measures than most other countries based on the timeline of the spread. I really don’t understand what you are on about? I still think this corona thing will end being just a scare, the numbers are not that bad in most countries except from Iran and Italy.

    Hashed

    March 18, 2020 at 5:46 PM

    • I would assume Lion’s main complaint is Trump’s bozo behavior. Like a couple days ago when he went on Twitter to rate his own response to the crisis and graded himself a 10/10. People don’t want to see those kind of antics during a crisis when thousands of people could be dying.

      PerezHBD

      March 19, 2020 at 3:25 AM

      • If Trump didn’t use Twitter and digital media platforms how would his message get out? You Trump critics couldn’t get elected dog catcher but you think you’re on the level of the president? What a joke.

        redarmyvodka

        March 20, 2020 at 12:24 AM

    • He implemented nothing. What are you talking about? The China travel ban was far too late, too narrow and really only for show. Trump is still doing nothing, just blathering while governors take action. He is clearly out of his depth.

      You are right however that most European leaders did no better, and some (Boris Johnson) did worse. Only Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea seem to have a clue.

      Peter Akuleyev

      March 19, 2020 at 6:00 AM

      • uzbekistan of all places has had a pretty dramatic response to the virus. they’ve banned all international arrivals, including uzbeki nationals living in other countries.

        james n.s.w

        March 19, 2020 at 1:51 PM

      • Including Yakov’s Bukhara buddies which he hardly mentions now?

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        March 19, 2020 at 11:49 PM

      • Only Russia/China have handled the crisis well but you forgot to mention them. Oh yeah those are what cucks like you call “authoritarian” states. What that really means is that regular people live well enjoying safety, security, health, and prosperity. We are finally witnessing the discrediting of constitutional government across the globe.

        redarmyvodka

        March 20, 2020 at 12:29 AM

      • “Trump is still doing nothing, just blathering while governors take action. He is clearly out of his depth.”

        And you clearly haven’t read the constitution. The authority to deal with this rests with the governors not the president. If you look at the responses you’ll see that the governors NOT the federal government are making the decision on lock downs, etc. Things have to get very, very bad before the federal government can step in and take over. And it hasn’t reached that point yet. Not even close. In fact, if the federal government tried to take over right now then the courts would probably stop them.

        destructure

        March 22, 2020 at 12:38 PM

      • I also agree with redarmyvodka that authoritarian states are in a much better position to handle situations like this.

        destructure

        March 22, 2020 at 12:40 PM

  16. Both Mario Cuomo and Gavin Newsome praised Donald Trump’s response to the cisis.

    map

    March 18, 2020 at 6:09 PM

  17. OH OH OH…

    Have I a new show for our Riverdale-watching host:

    Motherland: Fort Salem, where a trio of witches are trained to become powerful weapons for the American military.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9900092/

    The Gynocracy continues unabated…with no Gilead on the horizon to right the wrongs.

    map

    March 18, 2020 at 6:17 PM

    • Oh…it only gets worse…

      Set in an alternate America where witches ended their persecution over 300 years ago by cutting a deal with the government to fight for their country, “Motherland: Fort Salem” follows three young women from basic training in combat magic into early deployment. In this world, the traditional roles of gender and power are flipped, with the more dominant women on the front lines fighting looming terrorist threats that are familiar to our world-but with supernatural tactics and weapons.

      map

      March 18, 2020 at 6:20 PM

      • OK I watched the first episode.

        Mandatory lesbian affair-check

        Writers knowing nothing about the military-check

        …and nothing makes sense. It’s not clear who the US is fighting and why they are fighting all over the globe. There is a magical terrorist threat, but it’s not clear who they are and what their goals are. I suppose you have to wait until season 5 for things to be explained, which is a shame because this show will never get there.

        Mike Street Station

        March 21, 2020 at 7:42 AM

      • What are the odds that the “terrorist” threat is a bunch of Warlocks threatened by women’s powers?

        map

        March 21, 2020 at 11:43 PM

    • Heh, “Combat Magic.”

      Actually I DVR’d this show after reading a review from an angry feminist that it’s not feminist enough. I’ll check it out and see what’s what.

      Mike Street Station

      March 19, 2020 at 5:51 AM

  18. If a Dem was prez, they never would have been ‘xenophobic’ or ‘racist’ enough to curtail entry from China EARLY ON? That bought us some time.

    Don’t know if Trump will make use of that reprieve or not, but we at least still have a shot to come out of this not too bad, unlike Europe or a Dem-led USA would have?

    trey

    March 18, 2020 at 6:46 PM

    • The US is currently doing worse than France, Germany and Austria, both in growth and mortality. The growth curve in the US is still faster than in the UK, which is widely accused of completely botching their response.

      Peter Akuleyev

      March 19, 2020 at 6:04 AM

      • The US is testing the most biased sample. If you only test people displaying extreme symptoms, you’re going to get a high mortality rate.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Doy

        March 19, 2020 at 8:56 PM

  19. “Now, unfortunately, it was right in the middle of impeachment.”

    EXACTLY

    rivelino

    March 18, 2020 at 7:27 PM

  20. “We spent three and a half years arguing about whether the president was a Russian agent, and he got impeached, and they were in that way of thinking, and it’s just hard to transition there. And maybe that’s part of the cost of doing that shit, you know what I mean?”

    TUCKER ON FIRE

    rivelino

    March 18, 2020 at 8:11 PM

  21. OT: Instead of giving us his “xverumi” email address and then telling us he seldom checks it, why doesn’t Lion just check it on a regular basis – say once every 4 days or once a week – so that we know if it pays to send him a message or ask a question? What is the point of an email account if you seldom check it?

    Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

    March 18, 2020 at 10:25 PM

    • If you rarely check it nobody is pissed if you don’t reply in a timely manner.

      Email him and tell him your a nymphomaniac supermodel living in NYC with a taste for The Bangles, nerds and HBD and you’d like to have dinner. See how fast you get a response.

      Curle

      March 18, 2020 at 11:46 PM

      • Yeah, but the response would probably be “Nice try, guidette!”

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        March 19, 2020 at 3:13 PM

    • Yes, and he could easily configure it so that it gives him a a notification on his phone when he gets an email.

      Hermes

      March 19, 2020 at 12:16 AM

    • Slide a DM to his twitter if you want to flirt.

      Mike Street Station

      March 19, 2020 at 5:52 AM

      • I wasn’t interested In flirting. I was honestly wondering why he doesn’t just check the damn email account every week. How long would that take? I mean what if he got an email that required a timely response? The purpose of email is that it’s quicker than snail mail. Mike, you take my occasional x-rated posts here way too seriously!

        Hermes, I didn’t even consider that he could configure it to get a notification when an email arrives.

        Curle, I already emailed Lion once asking for advice about a job search. He basically emailed back that I was too old to get hired. I saw this for the sabotage attempt it clearly was. Maybe he was afraid I’d be taking a job away from a middle aged Jewish Catherine Rampell? Who knows? I was really wounded by his “advice” and didn’t communicate any further. But I’m too damn addicted to this blog to give it up. I still wish Lion the best, though.

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        March 19, 2020 at 11:06 AM

      • I checked the email today and there was nothing there.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM

      • “I wasn’t interested In flirting. I was honestly wondering why he doesn’t just check the damn email account every week. How long would that take? I mean what if he got an email that required a timely response? The purpose of email is that it’s quicker than snail mail. Mike, you take my occasional x-rated posts here way too seriously!”

        The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

        Mike Street Station

        March 19, 2020 at 6:24 PM

      • “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

        Mike, maybe you didn’t read my post carefully enough. Lion tried to sabotage me. I wouldn’t sleep with him or even date him – at least not after this.

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        March 20, 2020 at 9:56 PM

      • Sorry Mr DARCY.

        Mike Street Station

        March 21, 2020 at 7:46 AM

      • “Mike, maybe you didn’t read my post carefully enough. Lion tried to sabotage me. I wouldn’t sleep with him or even date him – at least not after this.”

        Well…in my defense the wife had Pride and Prejudice on the TV this week, and I guess I thought this was all part of some elaborate courtship ritual between you and Mr. Darby. He was snippy to Elizabeth Bennet too.

        Mike Street Station

        March 21, 2020 at 7:20 AM

      • “I wouldn’t sleep with him or even date him – at least not after this.”

        At least not on the first date!

        Curle

        March 21, 2020 at 1:20 PM

    • I personally enjoy waiting a long time to reply to emails. I don’t remember signing a contract committing me to response times.

      Why do you think you are entitled to a response in a certain amount in time, because it’s “email?

      Joe

      March 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM

      • Joe, I don’t believe anyone is “entitled” to anything. And I’m not a person who assumes rudeness or negligence if someone doesn’t respond to an email within a single day, or even two days. It’s just that I once emailed Lion at the address HE provided. And didn’t hear a response for weeks. I assumed he just didn’t care to respond. When I mentioned that he “refused to respond to an email I sent” he apologized and said that he rarely checks that account. I see now that he still lists that email address but puts the qualifier “but he rarely checks.” I just felt that checking it at least once a week or so would make sense if this is still the only way we can contact him privately.

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        March 19, 2020 at 6:03 PM

      • maryk,

        I think the HBD universe and its offshoots may be a little demoralizing to rely on for advice on things like job searches.

        map

        March 21, 2020 at 11:48 PM

      • Mary-k,

        I would suggest maybe government jobs? They tend to be good at hiring all ages and other factors.

        map

        March 21, 2020 at 11:55 PM

      • My mother became a teacher in her 40’s.

        map

        March 22, 2020 at 12:00 AM

      • “I would suggest maybe government jobs?”

        Map, thank you for trying to help. I appreciate your kindness. Yes, the HBD world tends to be cynical. But what lion attempted was outright sabotage, which is something else. It was probably his anti-guido bias that was at work rather than his usual cynicism.

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        March 22, 2020 at 3:10 PM

      • HBDers need to be more cynical after looking at this picture:

        A Trader Joe’s has been raided in NYC by urban parasites who depend on food source from somewhere else which is clearly proven with this corona scare. City folks with useless value transference lives are the 1st ones to die in a deadly pandemic if the markets decide to shut their doors.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        March 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM

      • I have no qualms about being rude to people. But I’m only rude to people who deserve it. I think some people have been rude to MaryK when she hasn’t deserved it.

        destructure

        March 23, 2020 at 9:58 PM

      • “City folks with useless value transference lives are the 1st ones to die in a deadly pandemic if the markets decide to shut their doors.”

        The khmer rouge frogmarched urban value transferers to the country to do manual labor on farms. I’ve always had mixed feelings about that. haha

        destructure

        March 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM

  22. Bruce Charlton said…

    @Frank – My impression is different. The official organs of The System – Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, the Economist – are either covering-up the certainty of an impossible to reverse collapse in The System… Or else they have become so crazed by lying to themselves (as well as everyone else) that they can no longer perceive the obvious.

    The deliberate destruction of the world economy is accelerating, daily. As the vast numbers of dead bodies relentlessly *fail* to pile-up; the pretence that this has anything at all to do with stopping the birdemic has gone from flimsy to insane (preventing peple from walking around out of doors, even in the countryside, for a disease spread only by physical contact!) – there is no logic or proportion.

    As I said – this is a deliberate destruction; apparently planned for a while, but being implemented for the expedient reason of the corvids.

    The main destruction is aimed at men’s souls. We must love Big Brother even as he engineers our slaughter – indeed we must demand than he slaughter us and then thank him when he does. Only thus will we be damned. And apparently, so far, this plan is proceeding without hitch.

    What will be will be. But the least we can do is to recognise malign intent when we see it and feel it.

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4683970826895755480&postID=9160293015025253758

    Andrew E.

    March 18, 2020 at 11:21 PM

    • “As the vast numbers of dead bodies relentlessly *fail* to pile-up”

      Who are all these people taking up ICU space?

      The Chinese are in on it?

      Charlton’s getting battier.

      Curle

      March 19, 2020 at 8:39 AM

      • These morons don’t even know what “ICU” stands for.

        Anonymous

        March 19, 2020 at 10:51 AM

      • There are no mass deaths. Charlton is right.

        Andrew E.

        March 19, 2020 at 11:29 AM

      • There are mass deaths in Iran.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM

      • Earthquakes in Iran are a far,far greater danger to them than the Chinese virus

        Andrew E.

        March 19, 2020 at 12:42 PM

      • I’m wondering how many people commenting have spent long periods of time in the hospital with their ultimate recovery uncertain who view either an hospital stay or ICU experience as something they’d like to repeat?

        I’ve been a near fatality before. The distinction between ICU (dead) and ICU (near dead) does not change my position on social distancing. I’m in favor of social distancing for both possible outcomes.

        Curle

        March 19, 2020 at 7:10 PM

  23. Anyone who watch TC will hate MSM and woke Democrats so much that it can’t be bad for Trump … that’s obvious .

    Bruno

    March 19, 2020 at 7:55 AM

  24. A bit off topic – Lion, did you ever review “Miri” when you were rewatching Star Trek TOS?

    Peter Akuleyev

    March 19, 2020 at 10:12 AM

  25. Oregon unemployment claims rose 3,200% in one week. Thank you, Democratic Party and CoronaHoax!

    By summer, Democratic governors will preside over 20% umemployment rates whilst Republican governors will maintain Trump Miracle unemployment rates circa 3%.

    The Democratic Party’s 2020 election strategy – CoronaHoax – will backfire BIGLY. I hope.

    NWS4EVR

    March 19, 2020 at 12:36 PM

    • Nope. Republican governors are destroying their own state economies too.

      Mike Street Station

      March 21, 2020 at 7:48 AM

    • The Governor of NY, DEM Cuomo, actually said his goal is 100% unemployment.

      This would also create wage equality, another Commie/socialist benefit.

      Robert the Libertarian

      March 21, 2020 at 11:07 AM

      • Where did he say that?

        map

        March 21, 2020 at 11:50 PM

  26. Are you self-quarantining? The latest episode of Picard is out.

    destructure

    March 19, 2020 at 12:58 PM

  27. Biden is testing the winds. He’s signalling that he’ll pick a swpl dindu for VP.

    the democrats are still full-in on race

    March 19, 2020 at 1:58 PM

  28. Lion,

    How does it feel to live in the location with 40% of all of the positive Covid-19 people. It is amazing how fast that they are being identified in NYC. I guess the jet-set disease would hit NYC hard.

    Also, Virginia is reporting better data sets than other states. They are reporting negative test, positive, hospitalized, and dead. around 95% of the test done on screened individuals are negative. And less than 30 people were hospitalized on Mar 19. The next 10 days are critical because the people getting sick for the next ten days were infected before social distancing really started.

    superdestroyer

    March 19, 2020 at 3:34 PM

  29. Solved. Hydroxychloroquine. Time to buy, bitchez

    Dan

    March 19, 2020 at 4:11 PM

    • Isn’t that a malaria drug?

      map

      March 19, 2020 at 7:26 PM

  30. I have appreciated Lion’s blog for many years now. Thoughtful posts and intelligent followers. These are definitely some trying times…, but it will only be by coming together that we survive and thrive right now.
    Stay positive and pray, because prayer changes things.

    Johnson

    March 19, 2020 at 6:59 PM

    • Blah, give it a few weeks and business is back to usual. The urban strivers and NAMs will come out of the woodwork and act out accordingly with their inherent nature. Wait till the MSM and our politicos make the announcement that “the dust is beginning to settle” and those with lower future time orientation will jump into the moment.

      Not trying times. It’s just spring break for everybody!

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      March 20, 2020 at 9:38 AM

  31. “Most conservative news, whether it’s on Fox or the internet, is prole and anti-intellectual”

    Takimag and Spectator (there’s a US version) both defy your definition. There’s National Review if your tastes run more neo-liberal. Britain’s The Times and especially The Telegraph are both great conservative papers as well.

    Roli

    March 19, 2020 at 8:58 PM

    • The UK Spectator is quite good.

      Peter Akuleyev

      March 20, 2020 at 9:21 AM

    • Proles like to stay within the familiar.

      Ever wonder why prole neighborhoods “only” consist of a steakhouse and a pizzeria, and a Chinese slop chop shop (chinese food takeout), when it comes to food?

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      March 20, 2020 at 9:43 AM

  32. Lion, have you seen this video by Paul Ramsey, he’s doing a good job explaining why Italy is in such bad shape

    rivelino

    March 19, 2020 at 10:08 PM

    • We keep talking about the people overwrought over the virus. What about the people overwrought about the country going on a two week ‘work from home’ holiday? It isn’t as if work isn’t happening. And it doesn’t appear to have collapsed the Chinese economy. The French take a month long holiday each and every year.

      These people are really worrying about the restaurant industry. This industry will take a hit, but restaurant rating is a luxury good. That’s risk built into that business model.

      Once testing is operating in a big way, already starting near me with drive through, the uninflected will return to work. The main thing is to flatten the curve enough to allow new ventilator production to catch up with demand.

      Curle

      March 20, 2020 at 9:06 AM

      • Restaurants, hotels, resorts, airlines, gyms, malls and shopping centers…

        How do we know it’s only going to be 2 weeks? What is going to happen to the automakers, and any other manufacturers, if the workers can’t come in for a month? 2 months?

        The Chinese economy was pretty hard hit, dude. Are we even going to have the same success they did, with our measures? This is insane, and I’m worried too, but don’t tell people they’re just overwrought over the restaurant industry.

        Lowe

        March 20, 2020 at 12:51 PM

    • Thanks, Rivelino. Our President should play this video in its entirety at his next CoronaHoax update.

      NWS4EVR

      March 20, 2020 at 8:36 PM

    • I’m glad I saw this video. But he could have made his major points in half the amount of time. I do agree with him though, that we aren’t going to see a shut-down for more than a few weeks. Even if the government issues some order for it to go on longer, people will just go about their business because they can’t afford financially to stay home. And more than a few weeks in the house will make a lot of people stir-crazy.

      Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      March 20, 2020 at 10:22 PM

  33. Senator Richard Burr is being called to resign for selling his stocks in mid-February. Some may think he had insider information (and I agree this is not a good look from a ‘skin in the game’ perspective) but I figure he was just reading your blog.

    Jokah Macpherson

    March 19, 2020 at 11:06 PM

    • Anythig before Feb. 24 is not insider trading.

      map

      March 20, 2020 at 10:25 PM

  34. MEH 0910

    March 20, 2020 at 12:14 AM

  35. Lionel of the Richiesphere

    March 20, 2020 at 10:06 AM

  36. Lion had no insider information …. How the press ignore Feinstein blaming 2 republican senators is really bad . The Cuardian is the worst

    Bruno

    March 20, 2020 at 11:45 AM

  37. They say that the virus came froma man eating a bat. Like th bat had it and than the man ate it and got infected. True?

    Yakov

    March 20, 2020 at 12:53 PM

    • Yakov, yes but indirectly. Main hypothesis is that the bat infected a cute wilde animal called Pangolin that chinese love to eat for its alleged medicinal properties. Men got it from Pangolin who go it from bats. Snake and Turtles, with bats, are other direct vector of very infectious viruses, so you can’t discard one of those two usual suspects that are also chinese delicacies.

      I doubt any of those 4 would be kosher ?

      Bruno

      March 20, 2020 at 2:18 PM

      • No, they are not kosher.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2020 at 2:20 PM

      • So now anyone with one eye can see the wisdom of the Jewish dietary laws. Lion, you get it?

        Yakov

        March 20, 2020 at 3:03 PM

      • Wildlife consumption is already outlawed and illegal in China. It’s been outlawed and illegal for centuries likely thousands of years. For example when Marco Polo visited the Yuan dynasty during the high middle ages he encountered a rural village in a remote part of China where murdering physically attractive people in your household was considered good luck because their essence would remain in the household. The Mongol emperor of China Kublai Khan informed him the practice was illegal and his police forces were eradicating it. It was up to local officials to enact his decrees but government policy was clear and strictly enforced. The problem today is not government policy but illegal wildlife markets which local/regional leaders aren’t doing enough to destroy. That will change after this pandemic with the central government in Beijing directly overseeing the matter.

        Beyond some idiot eating bat soup is the biological weapon theory. This goes in two directions the first is the US deployed it during the military games in Wuhan. This makes sense in the context of a trade war, CIA financed riots in Hong Kong, and now a massive blow to China’s economy/reputation which might put the US on a war footing.

        The second is the Wuhan virology lab was testing biological weapons but they leaked somehow. Most likely some low level employee like a janitor stole one of the test animals not knowing it was infected and selling it to the market in Wuhan. From there it spread across the city, across China, and across the globe because Wuhan is a major transportation hub. If true people have likely been executed for screwing up on such a massive scale.

        redarmyvodka

        March 20, 2020 at 6:28 PM

      • > wisdom of the Jewish dietary laws

        How does not eating shellfish make the slightest bit of sense? They are nutritionally excellent and even in the ancient world there was a brisk trade in dried oysters and such. In the Andes highlands they would trade with the coast for preserved shellfish to get iodine and trace minerals in their diet. It would have been impossible to live in such places otherwise.

        bobbybobbob

        March 20, 2020 at 6:39 PM

      • Lemme help you, corona came from eating Pangolin, HIV came from eating monkeys – both are non kosher animals. Mad cow decease came from shooting the cows with a bolt in the head. When you do it apparently the whole body becomes contaminated. This is very simple. If you slaughter them with a knife, there is no problem. It also makes evolutionary sense: humans and domesticated animals have been living closely and are immune to each other viruses, but a monkey from the jungle, even though in may be genetically closer to humans then a cow, is dangerous to eat. This is pretty amazing, if you think about it.

        Yakov

        March 20, 2020 at 6:41 PM

      • The new virus certainly seems to be effective at infecting humans, despite its animal origins. The closest wild relative of SARS-CoV-2 is found in bats, which suggests it originated in a bat, then jumped to humans either directly or through another species. (Another coronavirus found in wild pangolins also resembles SARS-CoV-2, but only in the small part of the spike that recognizes ACE2; the two viruses are otherwise dissimilar, and pangolins are unlikely to be the original reservoir of the new virus.) When SARS-classic first made this leap, a brief period of mutation was necessary for it to recognize ACE2 well. But SARS-CoV-2 could do that from day one. “It had already found its best way of being a [human] virus,” says Matthew Frieman of the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

        This uncanny fit will doubtlessly encourage conspiracy theorists: What are the odds that a random bat virus had exactly the right combination of traits to effectively infect human cells from the get-go, and then jump into an unsuspecting person? “Very low,” Andersen says, “but there are millions or billions of these viruses out there. These viruses are so prevalent that things that are really unlikely to happen sometimes do.”

        MEH 0910

        March 20, 2020 at 7:36 PM

      • @ bobbybobbob

        Land based civilizations have very different political worldviews, characteristic outlooks, cultural attitudes, and appetites/palates than sea based civilizations. As far as I’m aware Jews have never been a sea faring race/people despite often living in port cities. My own background stems from a land based civilization and my relatives all dislike sea food. I also dislike sea food for the most part and sea food is a common source of allergies as well. Sea food can be very nutrient rich and fish in particular is very healthy to consume but it’s not for everyone. Certain delicacies like crawfish are like eating bugs and I can understand the aversion to it. Nevertheless the most successful sea based civilization would be Japan and the extra protein/nutrients from Japan’s abundance of sea food as well as the protection of the seas from invaders has made Japan a very unique country.

        redarmyvodka

        March 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM

      • “Mad cow decease came from shooting the cows with a bolt in the head.”

        If you’re implying that kosher slaughter is safer than bolt guns then I would point out that 1) there are no known cases of anyone getting mad cow disease from American beef where bolt guns are mandatory and 2) eating cow brains is kosher.

        destructure

        March 21, 2020 at 6:26 PM

  38. Judging from this thread it seems we have the antithesis of the ‘it’s just the flu bro’…

    ‘It’s just a few restaurants bro’

    prolier than thou

    March 20, 2020 at 6:28 PM

    • The American people are fat, could use less eating in restaurants.

      Alexander Turok

      March 21, 2020 at 12:24 AM

      • You could use fewer fat people to eat in them, too. Maybe you will get both.

        I went for my last gym session yesterday; now the gym has closed. So I may will be joining their ranks.

        As they were closing the pubs, I went for one last visit, seeing as I don’t know how long it’s going to be until the next time I’ll be in one. As they closed they played ‘we’ll meet again’ the famous wartime song by Vera Lynn. It was quite a fitting and poignant choice, I thought.

        prolier than thou

        March 21, 2020 at 1:36 PM

      • Since this virus crisis started I’ve lost three pounds. Not from dieting, but just from not eating take-out food and spending more of my food budget on vegetables, canned fruit and high-protein food like eggs and chicken patties. Can’t waste money in a crisis. I was going to apply for SNAP because someone told me I qualified. But that’s out now. I don’t feel right getting a hand-out when so many people are facing a worse financial situation due to this virus. Guess I’ll be poor but skinny……(or at least less overweight!)

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        March 21, 2020 at 10:30 PM

  39. Looking for the best way to estimate total infections by infections from tested parties. Thoughts? What’s a reliable multiplier?

    Curle

    March 21, 2020 at 12:35 AM

  40. So, I’m reading that we’ll have to remain in isolation for at least 14 months. That should collapse economies world wide. I think it is best to just go on as usual and so some millions (maybe) of people will die. In fact, it’s best if you contract the virus as soon as possible so that you can get good medical care.

    CamelCaseRob

    March 21, 2020 at 1:45 PM

    • I discussed this with a co-worker. I’ve decided it’s a bad idea. Better to catch it later when it has mutated to a less destructive form. In fact, the lower comparative death rate in Washington state, which has a version of the Wuhan flu, suggests it’s already happening.

      Patient zero has been identified as a carrier from Wuhan. They would have said if he died, and they haven’t reported that. That tells me he’s still alive. Some counties in western Washington are racking up impressive infection numbers but few deaths. That’s consistent with the Wuhan flu mutating into a more harmless variant. There hasn’t been much reporting in the speed with which the virus mutates to a less destructive form.

      Wait long enough and it’ll be a cold.

      Curle

      March 21, 2020 at 11:00 PM

  41. I feel caught between two extremes on this. On the one hand are hysterics treating this like the plague even if they deny it. On the other are those taking no precautions at all. Anyone going to spring break now is an idiot. New Orleans is now one of the Covid19 hot spots after having Madi Gras last month.

    The Florida governor should have nipped spring break in the bud. All those college kids are going to go on spring break, catch Covid19 and then take it back to their universities all over the country. There’s about to be an explosion of Covid19 because of that. I suspect the reason their governor let it continue was pressure from businesses who make a lot of money off spring break. As far as I’m concerned, he should be forced out of office.

    destructure

    March 21, 2020 at 6:33 PM

    • I’m not saying that kids are going to New Orleans for Spring Break. I’m saying that Florida should have canceled Spring Break after what happened to New Olreans.

      destructure

      March 21, 2020 at 6:37 PM

  42. Some people, including myself, hoped warm weather would end this, just like it does with the flu.
    NO, IT WILL NOT.

    I looked at Singapore, which is warm and humid at all times.
    Some journalists claim Singapore succeeded in stopping Covid-19. This is not true!
    Look at their daily reports at
    https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/past-updates
    and type Ctrl-F Cases of
    The thing to look at is the number of new cases. It doubles every two days!

    I also looked at Australia (it’s summer there now) and the number of new cases is increasing there.

    WRB

    March 21, 2020 at 8:39 PM

    • Sorry, I meant to say about the number of new cases in Singapore: it doubles every four days!

      WRB

      March 21, 2020 at 10:26 PM

    • Yes, they have new cases but they aren’t reporting deaths. This may suggest the virus is mutating quickly into a more benign form.

      In my Washington state county we have approximately 90 infections but only one death. The number of new cases is staying stable at about 15 per day after a period of day over day growth. I’m hoping it will start dropping soon. When it does, back to work.

      Curle

      March 21, 2020 at 11:12 PM

      • It’s more likely your area simply reached heard immunity. It’s likely this thing has been with us since October/November. Iceland, which is weeks behind us in terms of patient zero, already has 1% of the population infected based on random sampling (so generation 10 of virus multiplication since they have 350K people in their country). It’s likely we are at least 2-3 weeks ahead of Iceland, which implies 4-5 generations of R0 doubling or tripling for this virus. We are likely at the point where 10-20% of our population has it/has had it and are beginning to reach the final few phases/case saturation.

        We may well find out in the end the virus had a 99.99% asymptomatic rate.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        March 22, 2020 at 4:58 PM

      • “In my Washington state county we have approximately 90 infections”

        That’s highly unlikely unless you live in the middle of nowhere. What isn’t being counted are the likely vast numbers of people like me who know that they probably have it, have mild symptoms, are self quarantining, and aren’t getting tested. Or people who aren’t correctly identifying mild symptoms at all. In my case, a relative is getting tested. Her positive result will more or less affirm my case.

        Responsible people, like me, are good about self quarantining. Rhetorical question: How would you rate most people in your county? Smart and responsible, or no? Remember to include kids, old people, and the rest of the poor out of sights.

        Mike

        March 23, 2020 at 10:53 PM

    • It’s not just warmth and humidity.

      It’s being in the sun to soak about sunlight to produce Vitamin D.

      The warm, sunny days don’t do much good if you are indoors and soaking up air-conditioning.

      Ever get a summer cold? Climate control and indoor lighting does that.

      map

      March 21, 2020 at 11:59 PM

    • It is not summer in Australia, it is getting colder and also the most populated state NSW is very dry.

      Hashed

      March 22, 2020 at 8:41 PM

  43. Lion,

    First, I hope you are ok since you have been posting much. Second, I wonder if anyone has looked at the 35 NYC policemen who are positive and if any of them moonlight as security for famous people, nightclubs, etc.

    superdestroyer

    March 22, 2020 at 12:31 PM

  44. Spoken by someone who was stupid enough to live in New York despite the probability of something like this happening eventually being 1.0.

    Hyena of the Trollowsphere

    March 22, 2020 at 1:48 PM

  45. Hope you’re OK. the news out of NYC seems very grim right now. I almost wonder if it’s time to flee the city, if you possibly can.

    ack-acking

    March 22, 2020 at 3:48 PM

  46. Germany with 21,000 infected people and weeks after the virus started spreading through the country, has a current death rate of 0.35%. And the many asymptomatically infected Germans aren’t even factored into the count.

    Roli

    March 22, 2020 at 7:23 PM

    • Germans, being modern Germans, fake their statistics. Like not citing COVID-19 if there is even a moderately serious comorbidity to blame the death on. No way the/their death rate is below 1 %.

      Don’t trust any even potentially sensitive (official) german statistics. Just stop. Commiefornia, New York…. you can’t even imagine – these states are nowhere near the state Germany is in.

      BAP

      March 23, 2020 at 2:04 PM

      • Right because if you have Stage 4 lung cancer and you get coronavirus your cause of death should be coronavirus. Yep, got it.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        March 23, 2020 at 6:56 PM

  47. Finally, you post a tweet. I was beginning to wonder if you were hospitalized.

    Curle

    March 22, 2020 at 11:46 PM

  48. Maybe Lion has quit blogging because of all the dumb comments on this thread. There is major, once in a lifetime stuff happening in NYC but he is not blogging .

    Rosenmops

    March 23, 2020 at 6:32 AM

    • That.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 23, 2020 at 8:15 AM

      • Lion,

        Then do a post about people making stupid posts. One of the issues I have been noticing for a week is people read something a week or two ago and have not realized that the situation has changed. This stupidity stretches across the political spectrum.

        Look at how many people are still writing about the storage of testing capability where the latest issue is the use of disposal PPE to actually take the test. Also, the testing has been cut back because it does not really assist in treatment of a patient.

        superdestroyer

        March 23, 2020 at 8:52 AM

      • Thank God the lion is alive.

        uman

        March 23, 2020 at 8:58 AM

      • I’ve definitely changed my views over the past week. I think a lot of people have, and more will as the death count continues to rise.

        ack-acking

        March 23, 2020 at 6:47 PM

    • Your family is older and has some of the risk factors for this virus. So you’re naturally worried. That’s understandable. But you’ve gone beyond that and angry that others who don’t have those risk factors aren’t as worried as you. The same goes for a number of other people. And that’s not understandable at all. This kills LESS than 1% of infected and most of them are elderly people with serious health problems. So I think most of us are fed up with the fearmongering and hysteria. It’s destructive and we’re not going to be a part of it. My advice is to do what you can to take precautions and don’t worry about the rest. It will all work out in the end.

      destructure

      March 23, 2020 at 11:53 AM

      • The quesiton is whether to work hard to end the pandemic quickly or let the bodies pile up and be even more draconian in the future. There is no going back to normal. Remember, Disney, the NBA, and SXSW all shut down before the government started doing anything. The is no way that Disney is going to open back up just because President Trump says something stupid. In addition, the states have a huge amount of power. Do you really think any governor is going to transition to burnout mode when surround by states that are not?

        superdestroyer

        March 23, 2020 at 2:19 PM

      • I continue to stand by my prediction that this will remain invisible in total all cause mortality stats a year out. This will be true in places that locked down like Italy and in places like Mexico and Iran that did basically nothing. Nobody is dying. Lion got on the hype train as it was pulling out of the mainstream media station and his ego is invested in a catastrophe. Which is quite obviously not materializing at this point.

        In less than a year this is going to be a one hour chi-square analysis in Excel with highly reliable international death stat time series. It’s going to be impossible to tap dance around the matter that *more* people than normal weren’t dying anywhere. I don’t care about your specific tests and diagnoses. If I’m wrong about this it will be clear in widely accessible data with zero room for quibbles.

        bobbybobbob

        March 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM

      • “The quesiton is whether to work hard to end the pandemic quickly or let the bodies pile up and be even more draconian in the future.”

        I don’t think ending the pandemic quickly is the solution. If you end this too quickly then it will just flare back up again. The goal should be to flatten the curve so that healthcare isn’t overwhelmed. But enough people need to get it so that it doesn’t flare back up after the restrictive measures are relaxed.

        “There is no going back to normal.”

        Unless they end this too quickly so that things flare back up, things will be mostly back to normal by fall at the latest. It simply can’t spread at this pace for very long because people become immune and it burns itself out.

        “In addition, the states have a huge amount of power. Do you really think any governor is going to transition to burnout mode when surround by states that are not?”

        The power to deal with this has ALWAYS been with governors at the state level. Every governor has been slow to deal with this. Though some have done a decent job once push came to shove. But, no, I don’t think any governor is going to “transition to burnout mode”. Nor have I suggested they should. My position is that once it became endemic, it couldn’t be contained. But it should be slowed as much as possible so that healthcare isn’t overwhelmed. It will be burn itself out slowly as more and more people recover and become immune.

        destructure

        March 23, 2020 at 10:16 PM

  49. The situation in the hospital is much worse than the media is reporting. People writing that media scares people are morons.

    BUT the French treatment is a big genuine hope. It has a 50% potential of stopping the worst effects of this . And we will know soon. If Trump was right on hi hopes, he will be able to sell his intuition into reelection successfully.

    I wish Lion would blog about the treacherous republican trying to make a bill for big corporate fat cats in the back of Trump … That’s the 1 problem of Trump : the Republican Party hasn’t endorsed the populist agenda.

    Even if the commentorship has an average IQ of 110 wich is quite low for someone like Lion, I would say it’s probably 115 for the readers, meaning 25% have superior intelligence (125) and probably 10% are in the top 1% (135). That’s a valuable audience.

    Bruno

    March 23, 2020 at 8:27 AM

    • Italian hospitals have always been a clusterfuck. Plus they are labeling anyone who died with coronavirus as having died of coronavirus.

      Stage 4 lung cancer and you got coronavirus. Cause of death is coronavirus!

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      March 23, 2020 at 6:55 PM

      • Q: What’s the difference between European Heaven and European Hell?

        A: Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics are German, the lovers are French and it’s all organised by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the chefs are British, the mechanics are French,the lovers are Swiss and it’s all organised by the Italians.

        njguy73

        March 23, 2020 at 10:31 PM

    • If I remember somewhat correctly, Lion’s IQ is around 140 and he believes that IQ to be the general floor for writing (writing skill that is interpreted by me to be a proxy for adequate executive skills and successful thinking).

      Standard deviation aside, 130-135 would be marginal (but with the same SD) and anything below that score doesn’t get much respect. Standard deviation not aside, For Lion it takes the Third to Tango.

      In my subjective assessment of my own social sphere, people can successfully and consistently relate to others within roughly ten IQ points between them. My IQ isn’t quite as high as Lion’s, and I have issues successfully relating to the vast majority of people (though my fake social affect works okay about half of the time). As a function of his IQ, Lion has a difficult time empathizing with virtually all of his commentors. Eventual mutual resentment is natural and expected. Its not anyone’s fault.

      He’s also right about the virus. Which, as an East coast resident, I believe that I have as a result of heavy travel through the initial hotspots in the US a couple of weeks ago. A family member since became sick and is being tested. After about nine days since my last possible exposure, my symptoms are exceedingly minimal if strange (occassional shortness of breath). As an older individual, hers are worse but still somewhat stalled at the level of a mild cold as she awaits her test results. We are both taking a vigorous course of OTC antiviral supplements in an effort to reduce the duration and intensity of the virus. Which is a strategy that has worked for me with the rhinovirus over the years. It may be in vain, but its all we can do as we count down the incubation clock.

      Mike

      March 23, 2020 at 10:46 PM

  50. I must also thank LoB for the stock advice. I have only 5% of my wealth in stocks (I own flats) , but it’s 20% for my mum and almost 90% for my girlfriend. All this wealth was totally saved by selling the 20 January for me and my mum and the 12th February for girlfriend. For the second sales, I was conforted by LoB predictions because she was sending me so many IB contrary articles (like Goldman Sachs reported in the Guardian) saying the impact would be limited …. She is been saving 50% of a aenesthesit physician salary (after taxes) for years and 35% of that savings would have disappeared ! She was called to reinvest each time the stock went up and i had to argue three times to convince her to keep the cash. So she was saved 3 times in 2 months.

    Bruno

    March 23, 2020 at 8:43 AM

  51. If 80% of people in the U.S. are going to get the virus, then wouldn’t the odds be about 100% in urban centers?

    CamelCaseRob

    March 23, 2020 at 9:28 AM

    • No because you stop propagating the virus once herd immunity is reached. EG. if 2 people live in your city and 1 person gets it and recovers, only 50% of the people got it, but the heard now has immunity.

      Heard immunity for influenza is something like 25% because the virus has an R0 of 1.3 and formula for % herd immunity is roughly 1-(1/R0).

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      March 23, 2020 at 6:52 PM

  52. Massive confirmation of the need to humidify indoors. Published just on Friday by the top respiratory virologists in the world.

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-virology-012420-022445

    See especially section 5.

    Is Lion not posting because he got got by Coronavirus?

    Should have taken my advice!

    Dan Hess

    March 23, 2020 at 11:08 AM

    • It’s OK, Sailer is so much more interesting anyway. Just think, Lion could have been the one to point the stupidity of all this semi-mandatory hugging that’s been going on the last 20 years.

      Marty

      March 23, 2020 at 8:41 PM

  53. Lion is mad at us and not letting us comment in his latest post.

    I made fun of lion for freaking out over this, but after watching the michael osterhelm video I realized lion was right and I was wrong!

    However, I can’t help but wonder if the financial devastation will cause more death and misery, long term, than the virus would have. There are going to be a whole lotta people who utterly fall through the cracks, and not just NAMs.

    toomanymice

    March 23, 2020 at 4:08 PM

    • “Lion is mad at us and not letting us comment in his latest post.”

      Yeah. That was my favorite part. 🙂

      destructure

      March 23, 2020 at 10:26 PM

  54. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

    Mortality rate in Wuhan was 4.9%.
    Fatality rate in other provinces was 0.16%.

    Asked why Wuhan was so much higher than the national level, the NHC official replied that it was for lack of resources, citing as an example that there were only 110 critical care beds in the three designated hospitals where most of the cases were sent.

    In other words, the virus itself is only a little more deadly than the flu. The difference is that when it overwhelms the healthcare system they run out of ventilators, etc and then the mortality rate climbs. As I’ve repeatedly said, this is NOT the plague. It’s just a very bad cold. Flatten the curve or increase resources and a lot of the problem goes away.

    destructure

    March 23, 2020 at 4:41 PM

    • 95% of people that reach the ventilator stage die anyway, this is from the Wuhan stats. Please stop repeating the ventilator LIE! We need to keep people from getting to that stage by doing whatever we can to reduce viral load (chloroquine, remdesivir, etc).

      There are many differences between oxygen, intubation, ventilators, and a fuck ton of other procedures when you start getting into the really complicated cases.

      https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930566-3

      “The median time from illness onset (ie, before admission) to discharge was 22·0 days (IQR 18·0–25·0), whereas the median time to death was 18·5 days (15·0–22·0; table 2). 32 patients required invasive mechanical ventilation, of whom 31 (97%) died. The median time from illness onset to invasive mechanical ventilation was 14·5 days (12·0–19·0). Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation was used in three patients, none of whom survived. Sepsis was the most frequently observed complication, followed by respiratory failure, ARDS, heart failure, and septic shock (table 2). Half of non-survivors experienced a secondary infection, and ventilator-associated pneumonia occurred in ten (31%) of 32 patients requiring invasive mechanical ventilation. The frequency of complications were higher in non-survivors than survivors (table 2).”

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      March 23, 2020 at 10:51 PM

    • Ventilators have made no difference anywhere. People put on ventilators have generally all died anyway, same as is usually the case, virus or not. Time to stop freaking out over ventilators.

      bobbybobbob

      March 24, 2020 at 12:51 PM

  55. And what will happen after Italy lift the closure? The virus starts to spread again?
    They cannot keep the country closed forever. Eventually economy collapses and people get too frustrated to stay home.

    tmmm

    March 23, 2020 at 4:54 PM

  56. It seems that the election campaign has taken a huge backseat to the epidemic. A question comes to mind: will the election be stalled or even canceled due to the virus? Especially if martial law is declared?

    Red pill aspie

    March 23, 2020 at 5:29 PM

    • We had elections despite a little event called “The Civil War.” The election is still on. That said, it could end up being a gigantic clusterfuck.

      Vince

      March 24, 2020 at 12:08 AM

  57. Stay safe Lion!

    Rosenmops

    March 23, 2020 at 5:38 PM

  58. If you weren’t HBD-wise, I’d assume this blog was run by a neurotic liberal who has an axe to grind with Trump and his key demographics.

    Bringing the center of the global economy to a halt over a pumped up flu is the stuff of leftist lunacy.

    Looch

    March 23, 2020 at 7:27 PM

    • This has absolutely nothing to do with politics. It is a public health matter. I like Trump. I desparately wish we had a Trump-like prime minister in Canada instead of the brainless, spineless clown that we have. Trump shut down the borders. There was a long delay before Canada shut the borders because Trudeau was afraid to offend China and besides which he is a virtue-signalling , Muslim-loving piece of shit who wants open borders and thinks Canada is a “post nation state”. I can’t believe anyone was foolish enough to vote for this moron. He is killing Canadians because he wouldn’t shut the borders. We had dozens of infected Iranians fly into Canada and walk through the airports, some of them got on buses. No checks, nothing. This went on for weeks. A lot of them were not Canadians. They just wanted to get the hell out of Iran and Canada was the only place dumb enough to take them.

      The only way to stop the pandemic is to SHUT DOWN THE DAMNED COUNTRY. People have to stay in one place as much as possible with only their imediate family and STOP TRAVELING AROUND AND MEETING UP WITH OTHER PEOPLE. If we all did that as much as possible the virus would die out.

      This is not a left or right issue. The only people who don’t want to shut things down are people who don’t understand how viruses spread or don’t care about people dying.

      Rosenmops

      March 24, 2020 at 4:13 AM

  59. Mailvox: testing results
    A lab technician emails and reminds of the important efforts that are taking place behind the scenes.

    I work in a medical testing lab and have been involved in reporting out COVID lab results. From my experience, the negative result to positive result ratio is roughly between 5:1 to 10:1. Only the positives are being reported to public health agencies, and that’s what eventually makes its way to the Hopkins page and other pages.

    As an aside, there is probably a 2-to-3-day delay in what happens in the lab, and what shows up on the internet. The latest numbers of new cases reported in the US for today are about 8,000. So this probably represents 40,000 to 80,000 new test results reported in a day. If you understand the work involved to produce a single test result, that is an astounding amount of test results for a test that no clinical labs had just one month ago.

    The point is that the private sector industry has done an amazing job responding to this demand in a short amount of time. They are doing much better than any government effort could muster.

    map

    March 23, 2020 at 8:17 PM

  60. We are not morons.

    You are a fair weather friend of the president.

    As soon as times become difficult, you find reasons to dump on the president.

    Justice Duvall

    March 24, 2020 at 2:18 AM

  61. I just listened to Trump talking at the virtual town hall. After being smart in closing the borders, he seems to have turned stupid and is talking about flu deaths and how shutting things down is damaging the economy, etc. Too bad. It is hard to go on respecting Trump after hearing that. Even Trudeau is telling people to stay home.

    Rosenmops

    March 24, 2020 at 1:30 PM

  62. So you haven’t been posting because your commenters are morons. Forgive me for believing it was because you hadn’t yet worked out how to put the worst possible spin on current events.

    Roli

    March 24, 2020 at 2:06 PM


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