Lion of the Blogosphere

Response to Dreamer’s comment

Dreamer writes:

Thanks for re-opening comments. I don’t comment much but I do lurk and read. When it comes to trying to read conservatives viewpoints. This is one of my listening posts. In theory, regardless of my own views, I try to keep an ear to various venues. To pick up points which becomes litmus tests and proxies to the core tenets of the group.

But once comments here got shutdown, I lost a major area to follow discussions for the area of what’s used to be called the manopshere, I had to look for other venues. And so much I can’t listen and place some kind of litmus test at all that doesn’t already fail to me.

What I mean by that are things like masks – I am suppose to not agree with masks when the data say the countries that wear masks has much less infections? Am I suppose to want reopenings when no other country has reopened with anywhere near the same numbers? Then there’s the discussions about hospitals are faking it or even the disease itself. It’s takes me 5 minutes to text a few friends who works in the hospitals – including a close friend who’s sister is a doctor in NYC and the responses that it’s chaos in there. Where do I even start with 5G? And I see where the vaccines discussions is gonna go.

Yes, it’s here too, and that’s why you closed it. But at least there’s a discussion. I might actually see disagreements and people would actually make arguments with various points to each other. It’s actually a semi-marketplace of ideas. Not just a bunch of accepted “facts” that all I can gather are lines being drawn in the sand that I can tell the long-term implication are we are going have to pick sides.

1. I don’t think this blog is part of the “manosphere.”

2. Masks do a lot to protect other people from catching the virus from the wearer. Thus I totally support requiring people to wear masks in indoor places like supermarkets. Originally, our CDC said NOT to wear masks. The total incompetency from our government is unbelievable.

Wearing a crappy mask does little to protect you from other people. A lot of people seem to think they have lots of protection by wearing a mask. I suppose that people believing that is a beneficial lie, because some people are too selfish to wear a mask for altruistic reasons, but they would wear one because they think it makes them safer.

3. Re-opening: it depends on what’s being re-opened. I don’t agree that parks should have been closed, because the virus is very hard to catch outdoors with brief contact between people. Except for super-crowded New York City parks which were NOT closed. Go figure.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to open barbershops or hair salons right now. Not while there are more people being admitted to the hospital every day with the virus.

4. No matter how often people are wrong with conspiracy theories or other dumb theories (like it only affects Asians, or it will magically go away in April), they just latch onto new dumb theories.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 29, 2020 at 4:37 PM

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  1. I’m glad to see the lockdown is finally ending round these parts, if only in cyberspace.

    Like Rush Limbaugh keeps saying: If reopening the economy saves just one life, it will be worth it. And that coming from a man enjoying daily chemotherapy and suffering from late-stage lung cancer.

    NWS4EVR

    April 29, 2020 at 4:50 PM

    • Probably getting unlimited oxycodone, too.

      Opioids make you feel pretty sanguine about stuff.

      Mrs Stitch

      April 29, 2020 at 6:42 PM

    • Rush isn’t making any sense. The lockdown has saved thousands of lives of people in the productive ages between 20 and 45, because accidents, fights, car crashes, etc. etc. decline massively when people can’t go outside. So why isn’t Rush excited? But saving lives is not why we have a lockdown. The real argument FOR the lockdown is economic – you do more damage by letting the virus run wild – the health care system gets overrun, people won’t work anyway because they are scared and sick people, even if they don’t die, can’t work and drag down the whole economy.

      You can argue of course that the US has chosen the worst possible compromise. Not shutting down hard and fast enough to dry out the virus, and almost randomly closing down parts of the economy without making any provisions for the workers and owners effected by the shutdown.

      Peter Akuleyev

      April 30, 2020 at 8:21 AM

  2. 1. The blog only seemed like the manosphere because mostly men post on such blogs, but there a number of female regulars.

    4. Data point on climate: the city of Guayaquil, Ecuador (at sea level on the equator) had a terrible outbreak. The hot steamy climate didn’t slow it down. Quito at 8000’ had a milder outbreak.

    Apparently the city has a range of wealthy and very poor. The wealthy vacation in Spain and Italy… both hard hit and the vacationers brought back the virus.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-26/no-more-bodies-on-the-streets-but-coronavirus-illnesses-deaths-batter-ecuador

    Frau Katze

    April 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM

  3. “Wearing a crappy mask does little to protect you from other people. A lot of people seem to think they have lots of protection by wearing a mask. I suppose that people believing that is a beneficial lie, because some people are too selfish to wear a mask for altruistic reasons, but they would wear one because they think it makes them safer.”

    What’s your reasoning for this? I would assume that the risk reduction is basically symmetric, since a mask would catch a particle coming in or going on. The only thing that I can think of which isn’t symmetric is that the mask doesn’t protect one’s eyes. But then I guess someone should also wear eye protections too. I also suspect it reduces the risk rate some even if one’s eyes aren’t protected.

    The way I think about it is that if you’re not wearing a mask, you’re basically just absorbing 100% of the particles in the air. Any kind of filter will cut the velocity of particles, filter out droplets. It probably won’t help if you’re right next to a coughing person, but I bet it cuts the number of particles that you get by a lot.

    AllenSheep

    April 29, 2020 at 5:15 PM

    • When you exhale through a “crappy” mask, your breath slows down dramatically and doesn’t carry things like viruses as far, thus providing some protection to people nearby. When you inhale, you’re sucking anything that can get through the mask, including viruses, into your lungs. Either way, the mask will not catch the virus; it will just alter how fast the virus is moving.

      TWBC

      April 30, 2020 at 12:06 AM

      • Okay, I agree that the mask provides more protection to others by reducing the velocity of the air coming out of your mouth or nose.

        However, I think that a mask still helps the person wearing it. I don’t think it’s correct that you “suck in everything that can get through the mask”. If there are any droplets or small droplets of water, those are likely to get stuck on the surface of the mask rather than going through.

        AllenSheep

        April 30, 2020 at 11:11 AM

  4. “3. Re-opening: it depends on what’s being re-opened. I don’t agree that parks should have been closed, because the virus is very hard to catch outdoors with brief contact between people. Except for super-crowded New York City parks which were NOT closed. Go figure.

    I don’t think it’s a good idea to open barbershops or hair salons right now. Not while there are more people being admitted to the hospital every day with the virus.”

    Well, that depends on what the overall strategy is. If the hope is to squash it down to near zero so they can use contact testing, like Korea and Taiwan, then even the current lockdowns aren’t strict enough. Stop letting people go to grocery stores, and use police to actively enforce social distancing.

    But that’s probably not possible, since at least 25% of NYC has already gotten sick, and who knows what it’s like in the rest of the country/world because there’s not enough tests. At this point we might as well just let it pass and get herd immunity. Maybe keep the bars and nightclubs closed so we don’t all get sick at the same time, but accept that most of us are going to get sick eventually.

    ack-acking

    April 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM

    • Has anyone studied how much transmission goes on at grocery stores? I would think it would have to be at least some (indoors, lots of people, not a lot of space) but I haven’t heard of any major outbreaks from one.

      Jokah Macpherson

      April 30, 2020 at 8:48 AM

      • There are many dead grocery story employees, so yes, it definitely spread in supermarkets.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 30, 2020 at 9:18 AM

      • MIT did a study proving that the virus is spread on subways. Well OBVIOUSLY it spreads on subways, but some damned fools need a peer reviewed study before they’ll believe anything. Obviously it’s spread in grocery stores as well. I’ve switched to 100% no contact home delivery for all food that I don’t grow myself. Haven’t been to a grocery store in months, and don’t plan to go for at least a year.

        I wanted to tell Lion what methods I use, but he cut all the comments. Sad. I hope he’s doing alright.

        I think everyone should encourage a new food distribution system with no-contact local delivery, and curb-side pickup. Walmart was offering no-contact curbside pickup before the pandemic, and still offers it. All you have to do is pop your trunk and an employee loads the groceries in. If pizza places could include delivery with their services for years, there’s no reason a grocery store can’t do the same now.

        Society is suffering from lack of imagination, and lack of get up and go.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        April 30, 2020 at 4:21 PM

      • This certainly has a LoftB theme:

        Places to avoid once the lockdown is over in the likes of prole and NAM avoidance.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/14-places-you-need-to-avoid-when-lockdown-ends/ss-BB1305zK?li=BBnb7Kz#image=10

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 1, 2020 at 10:35 AM

      • Missing: churches, cruise ships, conference rooms, doctor’s office waiting rooms, dental hygienists.

      • Even more significant is avoiding the summertime blues as in the Joisey Boisey-terous Shore, which the article doesn’t address. Public beach gatherings are vectors for all kinds of germs, not to mention the ocean and river water are dirty in the NYC Tristate Area.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 1, 2020 at 8:47 PM

      • “There are many dead grocery story employees, so yes, it definitely spread in supermarkets”

        More reasons to assert that Trader Joe’s is prole, given that one of their employees has died in one of their stores from Covid-19, located in one of the wealthiest zipcodes in Murkaprolestan which is in Scarsdale, Westchester, NY.

        https://ny.eater.com/2020/4/7/21211876/westchester-trader-joes-staffer-dies-due-to-covid-19

        One of their corporate big wigs asserted that Trader Joe’s business model promoted claustrophobia and Corona Phobia, because their working settings were heavily invested to reflect their work culture of human to human interactions and transactions.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM

      • Well OBVIOUSLY it spreads on subways

        Except it doesn’t spread on subways in Vienna, Budapest, Singapore or Taiwan.

        Doesn’t even seem to be much of a vector in London, despite the UK‘s failure to keep the virus in check.

        Same with grocery stores – not an issue in Europe. Possibly because they are smaller – which paradoxically means they are less crowded and people spend far less time in them shopping. (Europeans make frequent small trips for groceries rather than massive shopping for the week the way Americans do.)

        Peter Akuleyev

        May 4, 2020 at 5:25 AM

  5. “The total incompetency from our government is unbelievable.”

    Actually, I believe it. Just spitballing here, but maybe it’s because:

    a) The number of affirmative action hires is somewhat higher than the private sector. You can argue about why this is, but government (and large publicly held companies) have to pay attention to the diversity imperative.

    b) The culture is different than the private sector. Being perceived as being too hard working is a way to make yourself unpopular with your co-workers.

    c) Because of (a) and (b), screwing up isn’t punished as severely as would otherwise be the case.

    d) Civil service protections plus public employee unions make it all but impossible to fire anyone.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    April 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM

    • “The total incompetency from our government is unbelievable.”

      The affirmative action hires don’t help but the social justice warriors are a bigger problem IMHO. While you were chuckling (not you specifically) about what sociologists could do for a living they were out getting jobs in government. You can’t imagine the damage they’ve done to our public health agencies. If I told you true stories about the voodoo these people now peddle on behalf of public health you’d never believe me.

      The number of ‘studies’ that circulate in these quarters that present themselves as something akin to science but are pure voodoo is mind boggling. But, hey, Joe Chad/ Paul Ryan business majors for the past 30 years have been laughing these people off. Now it is time for the reckoning.

      This decline was not an accident.

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/201802/hidden-forces-and-essences-psychology-magic

      Curle

      April 30, 2020 at 8:20 PM

  6. This is a reply to a previous post: you said not enough people have had it to create herd immunity. Well, for an R0 of 2.5 you need to cut off 60-70% of the social interactions. Right now in NYC, 24.7% of non-essential workers tested positive. If you look at essential workers, the rate is probably much higher, scary high probably. If you still take the subway and go to work in services, interacting with lots of different people indoors every day, sorry, but that’s a high risk, very high. Ok, so probably the rate of all people in NYC is 30% including the essential workers. These are also the people that are responsible for more social interactions. Do we get close to herd immunity? Not sure yet, but clearly we’re getting there.

    I see governments failing at containing it. Singapore, Japan, Germany are getting more cases as they try to ease restrictions. I don’t think US will be able to do it, much less NYC, where the problem is much harder due to the high density. Also, people are going to get sick of staying home. 1-2 month quarantine is almost doable, but more will not be. I just don’t see how we can push quarantine for more than 2 months.

    Another angle is that you can predict if you’re at risk or not. 99.2% of deaths in NYC had underlying conditions. Half of the people who died in Italy had 3 or more underlying conditions. Based on the antibody tests in NY state, the rate of death is 0.5%. (same rate as estimated in other countries too) Rate for somebody without underlying conditions is much lower, something like 0.004-0.008%. Social equity? We’re quarantining healthy people because sick (due to underlying conditions) people are at risk. Looks to me that we’re exporting sickness from the sick to the healthy. This may be politically passable for a short period of time, but I don’t think it can be done for more than 2 months.

    It seems to me that governments don’t want these numbers to come out (even if you can find them, as the data is exported). Governments look bad because they can’t control it, and they also fucked up the healthy people which had no risk to begin with. But it’s only a matter of time until the rhetoric changes. There’s no vaccine in time and the virus is “winning”, but only kills a few. Sweden is the only country that protected the people at risk and tries to build herd immunity in the healthy population.

    Zack

    April 29, 2020 at 5:55 PM

    • Everything Zack said is right, only the true CFR is likely lower than 0.5%.

      About a vaccine… why should anyone believe we can make a vaccine for this? Flu shots only work for what, 6 months? Talk about a vaccine sounds like propaganda to make the shutdown more palatable to mopes.

      Lowe

      April 30, 2020 at 8:53 AM

      • The CFR is way higher than 0.5%. You mean the IFR, which is approximately 0.7% in New York City, still higher than that.

        Flu IFR is about 0.05%, so Covid-19 is 14 times more fatal than the flu, and also three times as contagious. In the absence of social distancing and if we just went for herd immunity, total fatalities of Covid-19 would have been like 45 flu seasons.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 30, 2020 at 9:21 AM

      • Did social distancing require shutting down most of the retail economy? Apparently not, since Sweden hasn’t undergone 45 flu seasons.

        Lowe

        April 30, 2020 at 10:44 AM

      • On the vaccine: I actually know a researcher working on it. From what I understand this coronavirus is stable, or rather stable enough, to get a vaccine. But the vaccine is only 1-1.5 years away, in the best case scenario. Bill Gates is using a lot of his money to productionalize a few of these vaccines before they get thru phase 3, just to speed up by a couple of months. Still, not enough to be useful in time.

        Zack

        April 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM

      • My understanding is flu has certain properties, not common among other viruses, that make it extremely prone to mutation.

        Not sure if Corona will have a near-term vaccine or not, but flu probably shouldn’t be viewed as the baseline comparison just because it’s a respiratory illness.

        Wency

        April 30, 2020 at 1:46 PM

      • For sure this one is much more like the 1918 pandemic than any normal flu season. Still not as bad as the black death or smallpox though. Still worse than anything in living memory by a significant margin. Fatalities are one problem, but so is permanent damage to survivors. Some plagues left people with scars on their skin, this one can give you lung damage. Thanks, but I’d rather not take my chances.

        All of this stuff comparing the U.S. to Sweden is stupid. Swedes practice social distancing as part of their sense of personal space.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        April 30, 2020 at 4:10 PM

      • Fine, we don’t have a vaccine for Herpes or HIV either. Even after how much money has gone into research? Just because you want something real bad doesn’t mean you’ll get it.

        Lowe

        April 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM

      • @Sigmas

        So Swedes are so different from Americans that we could not have adopted social distancing measures w/o putting millions of poor people out of work? That does not sound credible to me.

        Lowe

        May 1, 2020 at 7:38 AM

      • Lowe,

        We could but we can’t. Yes you can theoretically bring the infection rate down while keeping economic output high. However, you need everyone to comply, and we don’t have that here. We have a bunch of people who don’t like being told what to do.

        When you try to get others to change their behavior, just think of how hard it is for you to change your own behavior. Sweden was just lucky to have a society where people feel naturally uncomfortable when a stranger is standing closer to them than six feet. The government didn’t have to tell them to stand further apart.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        May 1, 2020 at 4:38 PM

      • “For sure this one is much more like the 1918 pandemic than any normal flu season.”

        You think this is like the Spanish Flu? We lost over half a million people during a time that the population was approximately a fourth of what it is now. So far, this isn’t even the Hong Kong Flu.

        Mike Street Station

        May 3, 2020 at 8:07 PM

      • By the way, regarding the percentage of Covid-19 antibodies found in residents throughout NYS per Cuomo as the mouthpiece, the Hudson Valley is officially “Upstate NY” according to this chart, and not part of the NYC Metropolitan Commutable Area.

        A rare sighting of an Eastern Asiatic in Peekskill in Westchester County a few months ago, I was able to hear him call his place of visit “Upstate” right by the Indian Point Power Plant, when he was speaking to his crowd who presumably viewed him as a token minority friend.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Point_Energy_Center

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 4, 2020 at 1:13 AM

      • The true advantage Sweden (and also Austria, Denmark, Czechia, Hungary, etc.) has is the ability to close borders and manage the infection in a reasonable population. Seemingly every country in Europe with a population under 10 million has managed to get things under control, no matter which approach they took. The secret is to dry up the infection AND keep new spreaders out of your population. When you have a country of 330 million and people are still free to roam around, good luck doing that. Every time you open up a bit someone from New Jersey goes to Florida, someone from Georgia goes to Minnesota and it never ends. What the US should do is shut down state borders but there is no infrastructure to do that.

        Peter Akuleyev

        May 4, 2020 at 5:33 AM

    • Infection and resultant immunity are required for there to be herd immunity.

      It is far from established that a person gains permanent or even long term immunity from infection.

      So, herd immunity may not even be possible.

      Alice

      May 1, 2020 at 9:08 AM

  7. After all these years, I think this is the first time I got quoted.

    In terms of the “manosphere”. I use that term loosely, but there was a time that it fits. But I do agree mostly wouldn’t include you nowadays. But for a mix of reasons. The term itself is dead. A lot of the blogs has been abandoned. The bigger blogs ones went in all kinds of directions including (semi)mainstream. Yet, I can still see the connection – both from readership and the themes in the themes in this blog. Also the blogroll links between both your and theirs show some of that remains.

    As for the rest, let’s just go with “I’m not liking where the division is going with this”.

    Dreamer

    April 29, 2020 at 6:42 PM

  8. The best video of all time? A camera, not sure if it’s concealed or intentional, in the Dutch women’s national handball team’s locker room. NSFW, though not all that dirty.
    https://motherless.com/0054CCD

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    April 29, 2020 at 6:57 PM

    • Without looking, and coming to the attention of the authorities, can we assume the Dutch have supply chain problems with razors?

      Curle

      April 30, 2020 at 12:10 AM

      • Unfortunately a couple of them do have razor access, but in general it’s hard to tell. They tend to cover themselves up with bathrobes fairly quickly. There is, however, a dimensions-beyond-magnificent rump view right at the three-minute mark.
        I did some research on the video, it was taken in 2015 not at a team facility, but at a spa/sauna the players visited. Apparently there was quite a scandal in the Netherlands when the video came out but it soon subsided.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        April 30, 2020 at 11:36 AM

  9. My thoughts on the coronavirus.

    1) It’s not “just the flu” and people that say that are just ignorant. It has a much higher death rate.
    2) Not sure why Trump was so cocky at the beginning about stopping it, after seeing what had happened in Italy.
    3) Trump’s stream of consciousness isn’t helping him. He gets ridiculed, gets facts wrong, etc.
    4) Cuomo sounds good, but his policies suck. Forcing sick patients to go to nursing homes? What?! Demanding 30,000 vents and then not needing half that many.
    5) Total politicization of treatments. Trump touts HCQ, so there’s almost glee on the left when it doesn’t work, or supposedly doesn’t work. There are still people in my Facebook feed who are convinced the HCQ tests were done wrong. They aren’t pharma researchers. I have no idea if HCQ is good or not, because I’m not a scientist, but I was a bit skeptical when Trump was touting it.
    6) Being outside is fine, unless you are like at a spring break beach that’s packed cheek to jowl. I hate when the media runs a photo using a zoom lens that makes the park or beach appear completely packed, when it isn’t. A Danish newspaper printed two photos of a street, one with a zoom, which made it look packed, and then from a slightly different angle did a normal pic, and everyone was six feet behind the other.
    7) When counting deaths in Sweden, should probably exclude nursing homes because they are on lockdown anyway, for all practical purposes.
    8) I’m not really convinced you get it by touching something that someone else has touched, unless you touch it right away. Like if someone touches a subway pole, then you touch it ten seconds later, that’s bad. If the UPS guy leaves a box and your front step and you open it two hours later, you’re not going to get COVID.
    9) Public transportation seems pretty gross right now. Enclosed spaces, people packed together.
    10) Lots of ninnies on facebook, particularly in our town forum, about how people are walking on the sidewalk without a mask. You’re not going to get it by walking by someone outside unless they’re coughing on you.
    11) The Dems wanting to nationalize the medical supply chain would have been batshit crazy.

    GMR

    April 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM

    • “Cuomo sounds good, but his policies suck. Forcing sick patients to go to nursing homes? What?! Demanding 30,000 vents and then not needing half that many.”

      I guess there’s a lesson for Trump there. If he came off like Cuomo during his pressers instead of like a moron, he’d be a lot more popular, despite his past mistakes.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 30, 2020 at 9:14 AM

      • Not only was the need for ventilators less than anticipated, but they turned out to be basically useless. All they did was prolong the deaths of the old and sick.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        May 1, 2020 at 1:21 PM

      • “Not only was the need for ventilators less than anticipated, but they turned out to be basically useless”

        True, but no one even suspected that at the time.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        May 4, 2020 at 1:13 AM

  10. I live less than a mile from a flagship state university and when I go on walks through the campus there are large pickup basketball games going on on the outdoor courts there. Mostly young people, but still; it seems pretty dumb that this is happening when everything else is on lockdown.

    Jokah Macpherson

    April 30, 2020 at 8:52 AM

    • Young people are not really at risk. The younger the person, the less likely he will transmit it.

      Alice

      May 1, 2020 at 9:13 AM

      • Young people are less likely to develop symptoms. Unless we know otherwise, we must assume they carry and can transmit the virus. There is no evidence that young people don’t carry and transmit the virus. It would even be very surprising if they didn’t.

        Frau Katze

        May 1, 2020 at 5:46 PM

      • But young people clearly have a lower R0, all other things equal.

      • “But young people clearly have a lower R0, all other things equal.”

        Because of the lower viral load/shedding when they’re asymptomatic?

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        May 4, 2020 at 1:12 AM

      • There are many theories.

  11. In Central America, the flue season is April to July. And if someone from a boreal place catches the flue while travelling there, that doesn’t start an epidemic when he returns to the North in the spring or summer.

    Problem with people using rationality and analogy to a field they don’t know to make predictions is that they make lots of false assumptions like :

    «if the virus isn’t killed by the hot temperature in country X, it won’t be neither in my country when we reache that level » wich sounds logic, but as said , is inconsistant with one century of people looking at the viruses and their seasonality. There is always the possibility that one virus behaves differently but in time of crisis and arbitration between different objectives, people make probable assumption.

    I agreed with Lion and Taleb at the beginning of the threat at the end of January (and money btw) that you should react forcefully with an unknown danger, but when it’s there, people should face the consequences and not let themselves being carried away by the hysteria.

    After Japan, France is the population were people are more sacred and lest trustful of their government. Schools are reopening in May but 70% of the parents have said they don’t want to send their children to school ….

    Bruno

    April 30, 2020 at 11:44 AM

  12. This is definitely a manosphere blog. It’s also an HBD blog, and higher IQ blog, and New York City metro blog, and a Stuyvesant High school blog, and an Ivy league blog. My (barely maintained) youtube channel is like that. It’s got multiple topics, and I’m thinking of adding more. It doesn’t stop being about one thing, just because you add more.

    The mask lie put out by the government was to stop randoms from buying all the masks the government wanted to give to healthcare workers. The best masks are better than the worst ones, but even a weak mask like the ones with the anti-smog filters when combined with glasses to protect your eyes from droplets are a big leap over nothing. I’ve got p100 gear, both full and half face, which is better than n95, but it’s much easier to get my wife to wear a surgical mask (lower than n95) with a face shield.

    I probably agree with you 100% on everything about re-opening. My main concern is that I want zero pressure on IT workers to go back to the office, when everything can be done remote.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    April 30, 2020 at 3:57 PM

  13. I don’t understand the back patting you do for yourself, if anything more and more people raise their doubts about the whole issue and certainly I couldn’t see any conclusive data to prove anything you have said. There is still nothing that can explain differences between countries or states, wearing or not wearing masks, closing or not closing everything, differences in behaviour, population average age or whatever other parameter. For any example you bring I can bring you a counter example from a different country where a certain factor is the same. Not to mention the lack of standard measurement of anything, especially what constitutes death by corona and what is not. It is pretty clear to me even more than before that it was all over the top hysterics, exactly like global warming. Which as a side note, I don’t understand the hubris of the scientific community trying to predict the future with their climate models of such a complicated system while they can’t even model a pandemic that happens right now properly.

    Hashed

    April 30, 2020 at 4:48 PM

    • This is bs. I tell you that being rich, tall, and good looking help you to get women. You find me a short ugly rich guy who gets women, a flat broke Army Ranger who looks like a male model and gets women, and a wimpy looking rock star who sings about love and sex gets women. You tell me see: see none of that stuff works, just be yourself and don’t try to learn about game.

      If there are ten things that help you achieve a goal and in six out of ten categories you’ve got more than 99.999% of everyone else, there’s a good chance that you can have almost zero in one of those things and still get somewhere.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      May 1, 2020 at 4:30 PM

  14. ‘it only affects Asians”

    In NYC, Asians have the lowest age adjusted hospitalization and death rate. Somewhat lower than whjtes and much lower than blacks and Hispanics.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    April 30, 2020 at 5:52 PM

  15. . No matter how often people are wrong with conspiracy theories or other dumb theories (like it only affects Asians, or it will magically go away in April), they just latch onto new dumb theories.

    Basically.

    Good post.

    JayMan

    April 30, 2020 at 9:01 PM

    • I watched people go straight from saying it was a hoax to saying it was a fulfilment of a prophecy by a 1980s evangelist.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      May 1, 2020 at 4:43 PM

  16. This blog is definitely not part of the Manosphere, but one of your commenters believing it to be the Manosphere is something I would expect from the type of person that comments on your blog.

    Speaking of which, have you watched the much talked about “incel” documentary TF No GF that was an entry in the 2020 SXSW Film Festival? Kantbot is featured in it and he recently appeared on RedScare to talk about it. The Redscare podcast was better than the film.

    PerezHBD

    April 30, 2020 at 10:53 PM

    • There was a time that idea was not questionable at all. Even now the old blogroll links on this site still links to blogs that was definitely part of the “Manosphere”. And when you look at their blogs (the ones are that left), they have links to his old blog or even this blog.

      But I have to say they probably wouldn’t link to Lion now. Especially on Lion’s stance on the virus. Not that the manosphere doesn’t tolerate some different viewpoints. One forum I am checking is showing the discussion is divided. But at the same time, I can sense the people who shares Lion’s view are burning their “social capital”. They are not getting shouted down and banned, but only because they are established and respected commenters. Meanwhile the people who are the “main voices” are definitely siding with the… “economic” view. To the point their are taking a hard line in the opposite of Lion.

      Obviously this means Lion would not be counted on this. I don’t know what to do on the shift. Personally, it makes no sense – especially the ones who translating their view into outright hostility towards doctors and nurses (though those dances are dumb) and they are going to become antivaxxers if we succeed in getting a vaccine.

      Dreamer

      May 1, 2020 at 11:11 AM

  17. The number of USA deaths attributed to this single strand RNA virus is about 64,000. That’s almost two orders of magnitude lower than predictions. To be fair, it was going to take more than year to get to 6 million. I know the counterargument that deaths are only so low due to the lockdown, but that doesn’t match the worldwide pattern we see.

    Sweden has deaths in the same ballpark as the USA with moderate restrictions. Other countries with little lockdown appear to be lacking mountains of corpses (although I grant records from places like Mexico could be sketchy). Instead of 2,500 deaths in Sweden, we should be seeing something like 40,000.

    And we all know, big parts of most countries failed to lockdown with anywhere near the vigor advocates called for.

    Tim Burr

    May 1, 2020 at 12:11 AM

  18. I do not understand the hair salon push. It is just a matter of time until virtually every barber/stylist becomes infected due to close contact with many people. If getting ones hair cut and stles really worth a couple of weeks in quarantine and a small but significant risk of hospitilization/death?

    superdestroyer

    May 1, 2020 at 8:16 AM

  19. Regarding the Manosphere and Covid-19:

    Who’d ever imagine that not wearing a mask during coronvirus time is an act of altruism? Only prone narcissists think their sexual value decreases in public, because a face covering declines their physical attractiveness to their intended demographic. For certain men, there’s a certain level masculinity and sociopathy for not wearing mask in public that gives them a boost of confidence and a few tingles for the ladies.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    May 1, 2020 at 10:11 AM

    • Don’t ever change, JS.

      Lowe

      May 1, 2020 at 2:53 PM

      • From a Manosphere perspective, it’s only betas who wear a face mask in public during this pandemic and there is a grain of truth to this.

        Men with strong immune systems (particularly high SMV males) should forego of any mask wearing scenario and only engage in social distancing when they are out and about.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        May 4, 2020 at 12:49 AM

  20. I stopped commenting a while ago because of a general slide down in quality. Couple significant things over the last few months: 1. You should have told your readers that it was good time to buy stocks again (sometime in mid March). Selling stocks and not buying them again is worse than keeping stocks. 2. Reaction to Bat Soup Virus is a classic example of mass hysteria. The countries that have not locked down (Sweden and Belarus) do not have massive problems countries that locked down have. It was mistake to lock down most of the US, except New York metropolitan area, which somehow was not really locked down.

    My 2¢

    May 1, 2020 at 2:03 PM

  21. You could nail one of these hott chix. Who would you choose?

    1. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.
    2. Kayleigh McEnany
    3. Kim Yo-Jong.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    May 1, 2020 at 2:33 PM

    • What is the point of this question? At 30, 32, and 32, respectively, they are all post-wall. And only one of them, Kayleigh McEnany, has a look that fits the typical “hot” descriptor. AOC’s looks would be tolerable if she weren’t an angry SJW, and Kim Yo-Jong is quite plain and probably has garlic breath.

      Hermes

      May 3, 2020 at 11:16 PM

  22. Hi Lion. Sorry to intrude on the conversation here but I’m trying to remember the name of an app you mentioned a while back. It’s an app that allows you to easily catalog and sell your CD collection. TIA

    Carry on carry on

    May 1, 2020 at 2:33 PM

  23. Articles like this are no longer relevant in the Age of a Coronavirus Pandemic:

    https://health.usnews.com/wellness/articles/hygiene-hypothesis-could-more-dirt-and-germs-boost-your-health

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    May 1, 2020 at 9:00 PM

  24. I don’t understand how you suddenly became an anti-Trump with loads of fake reasons.

    For Ann Coulter, it makes more sense : No e-verify, no Wall, no expulsions, Lotteries, Anchor babies, sanctuary cities, states, universities, hospitals and stil plenty of legal family and workers immigrants.

    Many people from the alt-right can also feel abandoned by Trump who didn’t back them up. He has been tweeting but didn’t pardoned anyone attacked for ideological reasons.

    So Trump is a big disappointment. But you don’t give any reason except « temperament » .

    Your giving Cuomo as an example is an illustration of this Drudge-like mystery :

    Cuomo is a disaster. He compelled nursing homes to accept infected new residents. He claimed he needed up to 30 000 ventilators . He let the subway be overwhelmed with homeless people. He spoke about his brother, mother and extended family for hours. He is bossy and obnoxious. He had paperboard saying « chain is as strong as the weakest link » or
    « Why we need news that makes us happy ». He looks like a sinister clown. He speaks to people shouting like they were retarded. He is been late and wrong at every step. He attached governor from
    NJ and the other stupid NY mayor who are from the same party. He doesn’t ever face any challenging question from the press who behaves like his’ own doormat. The guy is a pure product of MSM. And that’s the one you point as a solution to Trump ….

    It’s really weird.

    Bruno

    May 2, 2020 at 12:11 PM

    • This one is easy.

      Lion has been in a hysteria about the virus, and people who are hysterical want a Stalin or Hitler to make things right, immediately, no matter how many ditches they fill up with corpses. I’ve never seen anything like the acquiescence that frightened Americans have had about even the craziest of restrictions. They’ve obeyed more or less without even questioning the legal basis of them.

      Cuomo on the other hand, even though he was stupid and is responsible for many deaths, sounded like a Stalin or Hitler and amped up the hysteria. Trump did not amp up hysteria.

      This whole experience has given me a new appreciation as to how easy it would be to overthrow our Republic and replace it with some sort of dictatorship. Just frighten people enough and they will go along with anything.

      Mike Street Station

      May 3, 2020 at 8:19 PM

    • The weirdest thing about his support for Cuomo? Lion finally found a guido he likes!

      Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      May 3, 2020 at 9:52 PM

    • “I don’t understand how you suddenly became an anti-Trump with loads of fake reasons.”

      Maybe he got a girlfriend and she learned about the blog?

      Curle

      May 4, 2020 at 12:07 AM

  25. Check out the photos from this lockdown protest in Honolulu where whites are an distinct minority.

    https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/05/01/photo-gallery/protesters-against-covid-19-restrictions-rally-to-reopen-hawaii/

    Either the Advertiser avoided showing non-white faces or there’s another explanation. Asians just don’t do protests?

    Curle

    May 2, 2020 at 5:51 PM

  26. “A lot of people seem to think they have lots of protection by wearing a mask.” -Lion

    A face mask will most definitely, positively protect the wearer as well as protect others from the wearer. How? By reducing his/her chances of catching the virus, and if he/she does catch it, by reducing the viral load entering into the body, giving it a better chance to fight it off. Depending on the material of the mask, it can be anywhere from ~50% to 97% effective. This is intuitively obvious (to me anyway) and is also backed by experimental results:

    https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

    telling it like it is

    May 3, 2020 at 3:41 AM

  27. Never before in my life did I think America would do so bad for something like this, and we have seen many countries do very well so pile on the excuses but if South Korea basically extinguishing that cult outbreak showed it was possible. I guess I drank too much merica koolaid as a child, but watching us wait and see what other countries do then half ass copy one of them has been saddening.

    Pachyderm7

    May 3, 2020 at 10:10 AM

    • I am guessing you grew up in a rich suburb.

      Howitzer Daniel

      May 3, 2020 at 11:26 PM

    • “but watching us wait and see what other countries do”

      At least we were the first to blame whites for the number of black infections! That shows leadership in the one area where we really excel doesn’t it? USA! USA!

      Curle

      May 4, 2020 at 12:28 AM


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