Lion of the Blogosphere

How will police arrest those who don’t want to be arrested?

If the police come to arrest you, and you don’t want to be arrested, what are the police to do?

Middle class people with high-future time orientation won’t refuse to cooperate because they know that if they don’t, there will be even worse legal consequences in the future. But the criminal element has very low future-time orientation and they don’t think that way.

Traditionally, the police would beat up people who didn’t cooperate with the arrest, and if the arrestee was too good at defending himself from getting beaten up, then they’d shoot him. This was very effective in getting compliance when they needed to arrest people, because it was well known there would be immediate consequences for not cooperating.

However, the traditional method came to be seen as violating people’s “rights,” so the police moved into more scientific methods of constraining non-cooperating arrestees without, theoretically, harming them. Thus the various wrestling maneuvers that the police now use on arrestees. (Also, I do believe that because these wrestling maneuvers are seen as being non-harmful and constitutionally approved, police have become too quick to turn to them instead of giving the arrestee an opportunity to cooperate and be arrested with dignity. [Whereas, traditionally, beating people up was seen as sometimes necessary but not something to be done routinely.] So there is a little bit of legitimacy to those who are critical of the police.)

But what happens when the police aren’t allowed to use any sort of force at all to arrest people? The answer is that a large percentage of arrestees will just refuse to be arrested, and chaos will ensue.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 10, 2020 at 10:29 AM

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  1. Apparently hard core criminals seldom resist arrest. It’s usually associated with low-IQ petty criminals, drunks, or schizophrenics.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    June 10, 2020 at 10:37 AM

    • Exactly.

      I’ve arrested lots of people and the wrestling maneuvers that Lion mentions are handiest when dealing with someone who thinks they can still argue with you after you’ve told them that they’re now under arrest.

      Another post points out that Tasers are the alternative to wrestling. Among the advantages of Tasers are that if the person being arrested gets hurt, you can blame the Taser instead of the officer. One of the other ‘advantages’ is that while wrestling someone doesn’t always produce physical discomfort, the Taser hurts like a mo-fo, and serves as deterrent to resisting arrest.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      June 11, 2020 at 9:48 AM

  2. “The answer is that a large percentage of arrestees will just refuse to be arrested, and chaos will ensue.”

    This is a feature, not a bug in the new Woke edicts that police forces will have to follow. The radical Left wants chaos and a massive rise in violent crimes, particularly offenses committed against their enemies, the deplorable badwhites.

    Oswald Spengler

    June 10, 2020 at 11:28 AM

  3. The soft-headed types heading the current BLM/Anti-Police movement seem to have a conception people as Rousseau-ian good people corrupted by the system who only need to be talked to a bit more before being arrested, or not arrested at all. None of them are ever going to be the ones implementing whatever unworkable solutions they come up with.and can’t explain how we’re going to arrest non-compliant suspects without some degree of force. In my experience, the longer you sit on scene trying to talk a suspect into handcuffs, the longer the suspect has to reconsider any cooperation and the longer the neighborhood has to come out and escalate the situation. The only truly honest activists are the ones that want to decriminalize everything and arrest no one.

    Officer Friendly

    June 10, 2020 at 12:10 PM

    • Right, they don’t believe “the criminal element has very low future-time orientation and they don’t think that way.” They believe what we are calling the criminal element is that way only because they were victims of stereotype threat, or were deprived of sufficiently nutritious school lunches growing up, or didn’t get to grow up on magic dirt or whatever. They believe people are innately good blank slates and any badness comes from their circumstances. If you read the statements of these “end of policing” advocates, it’s the same old tired trope about addressing the “root causes” of crime. They truly believe there would be no murder, rape, armed robbery, or theft if we only instituted all their favored left-wing programs to create a “just society” because no one would have any motive to do those things, and that unarmed social workers could be trained to be sent out into communities and defuse situations like domestic violence and public disturbances.

      Hermes

      June 11, 2020 at 12:17 AM

      • One disgusting thing about this viewpoint is that there are to this day many poor white people in the United States who actually are poor only because of circumstances. They are the ones who truly need legs-up in life, and indulgence by those in authority. What poor blacks need is authority figures strong enough to tell them “no.”

        Lowe

        June 11, 2020 at 2:26 PM

      • Correct, the Catskills region of the Hudson Valley is predominantly over 85% White and poor. The homes aren’t nearly as decrepit as the boarded up residences taken up by NAMs in Newburgh, NY.

        One thing that was a complete shock for me is that White girls like Caitlin and Kelly are actually employed in retail just 50 miles north from the city, but nowhere to be seen in NYC, where female workers are only Lakeeda, Tamika or a person with a surname of Gomez or Jimenez

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        June 11, 2020 at 5:19 PM

      • I think I took the advice of the seduction community a little too seriously in decided I had to live in a city because that’s where the single women are. Maybe if I moved to a smaller town, I could find a hot white prole wife.

        Hermes

        June 14, 2020 at 8:32 PM

    • “The soft-headed types heading the current BLM/Anti-Police movement seem to have a conception . . .”

      Stop right there.

      The BLM types understand this situation better than you think. They grasp that ghetto blacks want the gibs but hate the humiliation of having their people compared unfavorably to whites.

      The only workable solution is to adopt the old segregationist approach: abandon the blacks to their own devices in their own neighborhoods and police them only when the leave the confines of the Hood.

      Segregation was probably the best system invented for the purpose of allowing whites and blacks to co-exist in peace.

      Curle

      June 11, 2020 at 7:52 PM

  4. no one has to be arrested; ruin their credit as “punishment”

    Bo Stank

    June 10, 2020 at 12:48 PM

    • Many poor people, especially the criminal and the near criminal, don’t have any credit. A significant number do not even have bank accounts.

      If you are not aware of the basic living conditions of the poor, you should not be commenting on what the police ought to do.

      Lowe

      June 12, 2020 at 12:49 PM

  5. Good point. It’s supported by the experience with tasers. When tasers first came out cops used them with absolute impunity because they were non-lethal and got immediate compliance. The public became horrified by their abuse and now they are much less of a thing. In fact, I’ve not seen any tasers used in the street protests.

    Wrestling maneuvers are the new tasers. When people show any kind of resistance, it’s straight to the take-down, mount, and arm bar or neck lock.

    Portlander

    June 10, 2020 at 1:14 PM

    • “Don’t tase me bro!” was probably peak taser.

      Wency

      June 11, 2020 at 6:24 AM

  6. This is setting a terrible new precedent (among many) wherein any resistance to arrest will be construed as legitimate self-defense when of course it is not. Law enforcement has an exclusive right to make arrests for any suspected crime and while this can result in many wrongful arrests, it is the system we have and detainees are afforded rights. Now, resisting arrest has become an acceptable challenge to a police officer’s willingness to enforce the law, particularly for petty crimes.

    What is an officer to do when faced with a noncompliant and violently resisting person who is suspected of a minor crime? Is it even worth the liability risk to bother so long as the arrestee isn’t suspected of a very serious crime, effectively legalizing petty crime? Should police be writing citations for breaking into cars, stealing goods, or passing counterfeit bills?

    What happens when those citations inevitably go unpaid and a judge issues a bench warrant for arrest? Is getting arrested for essentially unpaid tickets any less of a difficult situation to place an officer in with regard to a resistant suspect? This dynamic can only lead to madness as well as serious inconvenience for law-abiding citizens.

    Perhaps a solution to crime prevention is to entirely abolish cash, for which I am in favor. All illicit money transactions will have to be made via traceable electronic means. Should the more sophisticated criminals turn to cryptocurrency as a medium of exchange, that’s even better, as it will further tarnish cryptos as the money of the underworld, as well as expose criminals to the great instability of such illegitimate mediums. Some will attempt to use precious metals but it is not convenient to do so.

    Far fewer cars, homes, and business will be broken into on account of the lack of cash to steal. Muggings will drop dramatically. Gangland drug-related killings will decrease if dealers aren’t carrying around thousands in cash.

    It is even easier now than ever to replace cash with p2p payments. Money laundering will cease. E. Coli and COVID19-infected cash will be a thing of the past.

    Abolish cash and take the incentive away for criminals to prey on the citizenry. It could be done on a 5 year time table to allow all the changes necessary to take place, but this needs to happen. It will also do away with the problem of subjecting people to carrying around printed money with the portraits of slave owning, and genocidal previous presidents.

    KILL CASH, SAVE HUMANITY.

    Jack

    June 10, 2020 at 1:18 PM

    • In many countries cash or cheques are hardly use, there is no need for bitcoin. In Australia for example all payments are by touch cards or phones or apps, nobody is carrying cash anymore. The thing is, criminals can still find ways, they can just threat you and extort you, that what happens in countries where drugs are not such a big deal like Japan, almost every business must pay protection money to the Yakuza. The good thing is that the Yakuza charge very low fee and actually take care of petty criminals if they try to disrupt those paying businesses. At the end of the day the criminal class need to make the money, so they will find a way to do it, it will just be different type of crimes.

      Hashed

      June 11, 2020 at 8:13 PM

  7. Urban life as we know it is on borrowed time.

    njguy73

    June 10, 2020 at 2:03 PM

  8. all four cops should never’ve been charged. floyd wasn’t killed. the medical examiner was leaned on to list homicide as cod.

    divide and conquer

    June 10, 2020 at 3:46 PM

    • Protestant clergy shouldn’t have been burned at the stake by Bloody Mary. But, in most societies and at most times, heresy is one of the worst violations of social norms. We were all raised fat and happy thinking the Founders values would protect us in perpetuity. We were wrong.

      We have money galore to buy things but we can’t speak our minds. Good job neoliberals!

      Curle

      June 11, 2020 at 7:58 PM

  9. Cops aren’t going to arrest anyone who won’t come peacefully. They will show up late to all 9-11 calls. They will only take police reports and follow up with citations and arrest warrants that will largely be ignored unless they are “hate crimes.”

    Expect more emphasis on cameras and online hate speech investigations.

    Odds

    June 10, 2020 at 3:48 PM

  10. Newburgh – the most notorious gang-banging-landia in the Hudson Valley and the most dangerous place in NYS will be a complete lawless town if its police de-funds itself where all the gentrifying Hipsters will run for their lives by the riverfront.

    The remedy to save and beautify all of our river towns and the regions west of the Hudson is gentrification and citizens up in arms.

    https://therivernewsroom.com/at-the-black-lives-matter-protests-in-the-hudson-valley/

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    June 10, 2020 at 4:48 PM

    • Beacon is worse. And Newburgh is near military facilities, with West Pointers passing through the airport all the time. But as you note, it’s not an idyllic spot by any means.

      Anthony

      June 13, 2020 at 6:11 PM

  11. I think this is a good illustration of the late Lawrence Auster’s points about “unprincipled exceptions” and how liberalism will always eventually steamroll non-liberalism. Once you’ve enshrined individual “rights” as the highest value, how can you have a group of people–i.e., the police–who are allowed to violate people’s “rights?” If you don’t want to go to jail, being forced to go against your will violates your rights. On the question of whether we should allow criminals not to go to jail if they don’t want to, people in the past, or right-liberals today, would essentially say, as Auster put it, that that “goes too far.” But once you’ve accepted liberalism as the highest good, there isn’t actually any principle by which you can identify that as the point at which things have gone “too far.” Why draw the line in the sand there? People might want to say that we can’t just allow people for whom there is evidence that they committed violent crimes to roam around free. But by the time the arrest is taking place, the suspect has already stolen your car, or killed someone, or whatever. Arresting them won’t prevent the deed from being done, so it’s not self-defense. So really, once we accepted liberal values as the highest values, this outcome was already baked into the cake. Eventually, as liberalism progressed, it was inevitable that people would decide that having the police arrest people was unacceptable because it violates their “rights.”

    The only solution is to dethrone liberalism as the highest value, and make it subordinate to something else, like perpetuating traditional Western culture or something like that.

    Hermes

    June 10, 2020 at 6:20 PM

    • I like that we’re still talking about Larry Auster.

      S.J., Esquire

      June 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM

      • Me too. There’s been no one to replace him. When he was alive, his literary executor, Laura Wood, wrote in a manner so similar to his that leftists convinced themselves she didn’t exist and was merely his pseudonym. But after he died, she went off the deep end and became a deranged conspiracy theorist.

        Hermes

        June 12, 2020 at 8:44 PM

  12. Amazon decided to stop selling face recognition software to the police. So before they go to arrest someone they will have to look through their file folder, this will help black people safety. Bezos is behind a walled house with a private security, but for the rest of you plebs, no police for you. It is because Bezos likes black people and he is not racist like the rest of you.

    Hashed

    June 10, 2020 at 6:33 PM

    • I heard that he doesn’t want you as a customer unless you join his church, this new Black Lives Matter religion. Apparently it’s sweeping the country. It looks like it’s sweeping the country.

      Mike Street Station

      June 11, 2020 at 6:05 AM

      • One reason getting rid of the right to secede was a big mistake.

        Curles

        June 12, 2020 at 11:05 AM

      • There never was a right to secede, and the South never seceded: saying so didn’t make it so. They harbored a rebellion (Lincoln wanted to have it both ways: ‘Confederacy’ as a legitimate military enemy, and also just a bunch of common criminals engaged in mayhem). Congressional representation was taken away, but since they never left they didn’t have to be re-admitted to the Union. After the war, those states spent some time governed as Military Districts.

        Anthony

        June 13, 2020 at 6:20 PM

    • I predicted this entire soft on criminal trend back in the tough on crime 90s….although for possibly the wrong reasons. In 1994 a woman I met tried to set me up with her daughter who only dated criminals. The mother was upset about this and wanted her to be with a nice guy like me. I was naive at the time and agreed to this.

      I met the young woman who was attractive. She instantly friend zoned me but invited me to a little part her and her roommates were having. All four of the young women who lived in the house had boyfriends in jail or prison. The phone would ring and they screened their call on the speaker “we have a collect call from an inmate at the correctional institution, do you except this call?”. They would get so excited. The love they had for their prison inmates was more than many law abiding men will ever know. They were talking crudely about the sex they can’t wait to have when their boyfriends are released on parole. I asked them what they thought of the crime bill that recently passed. They never heard of it but told me we shouldn’t be tough on crime and there shouldn’t even be prisons.

      This was the first time I realized that some women are attracted to criminals. I guess I should have known it since Inknew they love bad boys. Anyway I told everyone I knew that the future will be soft on crime and that before my life is over they might get rid of prisons altogether. I pictured a world where crime goes unpunished. I figured a large number of lower socioeconomic women have a strong sexual desire for criminals and there is no way they will stand for keeping them locked up in cages for long periods of time. We are on track to being the soft on criminal society I predicted but it appears not wanting to punish blacks is the stronger drive of this then anything to do with mating.

      Jay Fink

      June 12, 2020 at 4:55 PM

  13. The good news is I accidentally discovered lion’s secret identity on a content aggregator that shall remain unnamed.

    The bad news is his post history is mind numbingly boring.

    Personally I would prefer to go back to the days of light policing. Anyone with half a brain can take measures to protect themselves from violent crime.

    I know it goes with Giuliani’s broken window policy but hauling people to jail for untaxed cigarettes or fake 20s is stupid.

    toomanymice

    June 10, 2020 at 6:48 PM

    • I used the brute force approach. It wasn’t hard but took FOREVER.

      destructure

      June 11, 2020 at 12:40 AM

    • “Personally I would prefer to go back to the days of light policing. Anyone with half a brain can take measures to protect themselves from violent crime.”

      Yes, people should take measures to protect themselves. But some areas are lawless. And they need heavy policing to keep it in check.

      “hauling people to jail for untaxed cigarettes or fake 20s is stupid.”

      Selling black market cigarettes and passing counterfeit 20s is stupid.

      destructure

      June 11, 2020 at 4:33 AM

    • So what should the store do if someone is passing the fake 20. If they refuse to take it the customer will start screaming racism and will try to intimidate the emplyees.

      How does someone in retail protect themselves in a society without police. Or will stores go back to the cashier windows that convenience stores used to use in high crime neighborhoods.

      superdestroyer

      June 11, 2020 at 11:37 AM

      • I’ve seen black people scream racism when their credit card doesn’t go through.

        We all know the answer: go to an ivy league school so you never have to work a crappy retail job.

        toomanymice

        June 11, 2020 at 4:29 PM

      • I take it that you never go to a store, a restaurant, or anywhere in public. If the local government refuse to do anything about public disturbances and petty crimes, it will be impossible to move about in public.

        superdestroyer

        June 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM

      • A lot of corporate retail will not tolerate high crime urban areas after all of this chaos. They’ll close. That leaves locals running convenience stores. Small scale suppliers won’t be able to withstand increased political/legal/activist “anti-racist” SJWism, such as call-outs and antifa threats about cashless payment systems and verified pre-pay systems that are great for dealing with local scammers and thieves. That leaves… no one to supply and vend in the inner cities. Except the black market, run by mafia, ethnic gangs, and warlords. Good job white liberals!

        All of this is a huge mess that will basically lead to the rich getting richer, the middle capitulating, and the poor burning themselves down and robbing each other. American cities can’t survive neo-liberalism. The dynamics are too costly and destabilizing at this point. It’s way too loaded at the very top and very bottom. The worst and most costliest people. Get out and move to the exurbs or outlying small towns.

        Grand Puba

        June 14, 2020 at 4:03 PM

    • “hauling people to jail for untaxed cigarettes or fake 20s is stupid.”

      What about foaming at the mouth? Also, if you’re a merchant, those fake $20 add up.

      Curle

      June 11, 2020 at 8:06 PM

  14. Theoretically in the panopticon we now live in, any suspect who refuses to come in peaceably could have his credit cut off and get generally harassed until he voluntarily turns himself in. Even hardened criminals will have a harder and harder time living off the grid as cash disappears and social connections are run through your smart phone. China is already moving in this direction. The idea of punishing people by incarcerating them makes increasingly less sense when we can make them social pariahs.

    Peter Akuleyev

    June 11, 2020 at 6:12 AM

    • Hardened criminals can just walk into stores and steal what they want, because they won’t ever get arrested for it.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 11, 2020 at 1:11 PM

  15. These issues are largely irrelevant in Cody, Wyoming, the city with one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the country, full permitless carry rights, and almost no violent crime. Given the way the population and house prices are rising a whole lot of people are deciding that Cody’s the place for them.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    June 11, 2020 at 1:18 PM

    • We can’t all move to Cody. We shouldn’t have to.

      Curle

      June 12, 2020 at 11:07 AM

  16. We’ve got a new police chief here in Boise; he was the assistant chief in Portland OR. He was the pick of the new mayor, who’s a lefty (so much for Idaho being a red state). When asked about the causes of crime, the new chief said “poverty and addiction.”

    This guy’s been a high ranking cop in a big city for almost 20 years, so he knows what the real causes are; he just doesn’t want to get off on the wrong foot with his new boss and the howling mob, which believe me, we have here in Boise.

    Poverty is related to crime, but the arrow of causality points in the other direction: you’re much more likely to be poor if you commit crimes, you don’t necessarily commit crimes because you are poor. Low IQ, poor impulse control, low future time orientation, and an inability to think through the consequences of your actions are what cause crime. All of those same factors mitigate against being able to form stable relationships, get and hold a job, and save money. If you’ve got something to lose like a family, a home, or maybe a small business that gives you some powerful incentives not to be a fuck-up.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    June 11, 2020 at 3:38 PM

    • I believe the strongest causality for crime is the percentage of single mother households in a given area.

      This factor trumps poverty and lack of education.

      toomanymice

      June 11, 2020 at 4:32 PM

      • Agreed, but then you are either “slut shaming” or “blaming the victim.” There is no way to discuss real problems.

        Mike Street Station

        June 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM

      • Right, the left will never accept that single motherhood per se causes worse outcomes. They will just claim it’s a correlation, not causation, and that it’s due to sexism or heteronormativity or insufficient paid family leave or lack of free child care or whatever, and claim the solution is more leftism and more cultural Marxist reeducation of the rubes.

        Hermes

        June 14, 2020 at 8:25 PM

      • I doubt that fatherlessness is a cause, rather than an effect. What seems more plausible to me:

        The stereotypical gangbanger who does not care to support his prolific offspring has a lower IQ and a nastier personality than a responsible father who cares about his children. His traits get passed on to his children. Thus, a criminal who grew up in a fatherless home is genetically contaminated.

        A good way to investigate this would be to compare children who lost their fathers in unfortunate accidents to those with comparable IQ and personality traits who did not.

        Note that black crime has always been high! It is an ignoble myth that before single-mother households, black dysfunction barely existed and racial crime gaps were insignificant.

        historynoob

        June 15, 2020 at 12:20 AM

    • so does the factor of using “mitigate” when one should be using “militate”.

      the USSR had almost no crime.

      sad.

      remember when italians, irish, and jews were gangsters?

      June 11, 2020 at 7:05 PM

      • Virgil-Lanti (Vigilantes), would be the a new term to describe a community of guido policee.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        June 12, 2020 at 11:28 AM

    • My wife and I are seriously considering buying a farm in a few years. I used to think about moving to the Idaho panhandle, but I’ve heard from multiple sources that it’s becoming infested with Californians. How long have you lived in Idaho?

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      June 11, 2020 at 7:36 PM

      • There is affordable land as close as upstate New York or north PA. Plenty of affordable land out there.

        Daniel Heneghan

        June 12, 2020 at 12:40 PM

      • Left southern California a year ago. Boise leans left because of (a) it being the state’s largest city, (b) Boise State University, (c) the tech sector, and (d) the local politicians’ inferiority complex. They think that people in places like Seattle and Portland look down on Boiseans as hicks and hayseeds, so they try to compensate by demonstrating their woke bona fides.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        June 12, 2020 at 2:25 PM

      • “There is affordable land as close as upstate New York or north PA”

        Port Jervis, which borders PA in the Hudson Valley is a dump, and is affordable. Not really Upstate, but to a downstate dilettante of NYS geography, anything north of the Bronx is Upstate NY.

        The Southern Tier of Upstate NY, which borders northern PA — if you go a little further north to the Finger Lakes, it’s wine country. There are sparse areas of affordability and non-affordability. Nice weather during this time of the year, but dreary overcast most of the year.

        The downside of living outside of NYC within the state — not much in food options.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        June 13, 2020 at 7:22 PM

      • No. The downsides are the taxes, laws, and over-policing. I know the southern tier. It along with PA and OH, are places that are popular with the Amish. I don’t know why I would live in the southern tier with 9% income tax when I could step over the border and get down to 3% income tax.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        June 14, 2020 at 9:21 PM

      • I was in Idaho Falls in 2017 to see the eclipse, and it seemed a nice enough small city. Though of course I saw it only when it was overrun with thousands of people, a notable percentage of whom were smoking so much weed you could see clouds of smoke rising.
        As for Upstate New York, there may be some decent affordable spots but there’s no carry rights.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        June 14, 2020 at 10:00 PM

  17. toomanymice

    June 11, 2020 at 6:53 PM

  18. Crime is going to go through the roof in the next few years. Due to the rise in telecommuting, what remains of the white professional class will flee to flyover areas with low housing costs. They will establish co op communities that will allow a legal mechanism around fair housing laws to keep the “wrong sort” out. Inner cities will be void of any tax base and hungry blacks will start looting suburbs. That is when the real fascists show up and start protecting neighborhoods and historical monuments. White America will see no choice but join this faction for safety and security. Assimilated Hispanics and right leaning tech/industrial business leaders will also join. In the right wing portions of America these soft police tactics will be thoroughly rejected to preserve order yet rarely used. This is eventually coming whether Trump gets re-elected or not.

    B.T.D.T.

    June 11, 2020 at 8:41 PM

    • There will be the Virgil-Lanti police not only with guns, but reminiscent of their environment of sticks n stones, carrying baseball bats and knives to fend off any riff n raff.

      Virgil-Lanti, alright, when you have modern day low brow Romans (aka White Ethnic Guidos) swinging bats at black intruders, if one remembers the Howard Beach incident in Queens, NY eons ago, just 2 years after Bernie Goetz and his shooting spree of a 4 black teens on the subway.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Michael_Griffith

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      June 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM

    • Yes, it does look like crime is about to increase. Just like 2015 after the Ferguson riots, only this time worse because of the higher unemployment rate.

      This is a test of the political leadership of the major cities. The question is whether they can thread the needle of making all the expected acts of obeisance to diversity, while also making sure police know they are supported. It will work out in New York City, but Los Angeles and Chicago are clearly blowing it, and maybe Seattle too.

      However, you can at least take comfort knowing that inner city blacks will never leave the cities in any numbers, to loot suburbs. That has never happened. These are not Vikings. They are black layabouts. There isn’t going to be any implicit fascist uprising in the burbs, consequently, and besides the Feds would never allow that.

      Let’s say the worst case happens and people like Garcetti and Lightfoot never get a grip. There will white flight and the cities will be hollowed out for a generation. The blacks left near the city or in their banlieus, will just be even more dependent on welfare and fake jobs.

      Lowe

      June 13, 2020 at 9:15 PM

      • Within the anti-white revolution that is afoot, any white person that wants to protect their life, property and dignity will be deemed a fascist.

        B.T.D.T.

        June 15, 2020 at 6:37 AM

  19. OT: Last November you wrote a post called, “What shall we do when Trump loses?”

    I replied with the following:

    “I agree with Trump’s agenda. And he’s kept his promises as best he can. But he just doesn’t have the experience or temperament to be president. He’s disorganized and doesn’t listen to his advisors. And the executive branch is dysfunctional. Instead, he spends all his time arguing. That may be fine for anonymous commenters on the internet but not for president. Trump’s biggest problem is himself. And he needs to either get his act together or step aside. If he loses the senate, they’ll just fabricate something else to impeach and remove him for anyway.”

    I was told to “stop complaining” by someone who didn’t realize what was brewing. I didn’t know exactly what to expect either. But after three years of them pushing a ridiculous conspiracy theory, I knew they were going to pull something big. Well, they have. The media has been weaponized, billionaires have been funding radical subversive organizations and the deep state is in low-level sedition. Then Trump makes it worse by not only attacking his enemies but his friends as well. He simply can’t help himself.

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t dislike Trump. And I think he has been treated very unfairly. But I also think that he’s brought a lot of it on himself. He’s simply not up to it. If he doesn’t step aside and let someone else run then not only will the GOP lose the presidency but both chambers of congress. Take a minute to think about how much damage they could do.

    Aside from all the chaos, Trump really did get a number of good things accomplished as president. But I’m not sure what more he can do. He’s been isolated and neutralized. All he’s doing now is throwing tantrums and floundering. So he needs to step aside and sooner rather than later.

    I think Pence could actually do well enough in the next 6 months to beat Biden. All he has to do is show voters that he’s STABLE. The problem is that Trump wouldn’t be able to stay away from Twitter. And that would be a problem for Pence. As it is, Trump has already alienated friend and foe alike. There’s no way he can win in November. He’s just going to lose big league and take the senate down with him. He needs to do the right thing and take a much needed leave of absence for the remainder of his term.

    destructure

    June 12, 2020 at 2:07 AM

  20. I wish Lawrence Auster were here to witness, comment and chronicle these times.

    Daniel Heneghan

    June 12, 2020 at 2:33 AM

    • So do I. I have an unfortunate “can’t look away” tendency to browse a few online fora. When I read these discussions with all the left-wing purple prose about how America “systematically disenfranchises minorities,” that’s it’s a country “founded on white supremacy,” the endless laments about slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, voter suppression, police brutality, statements that blacks are being killed (and complete omission of the fact that the black-on-white violent crime rate is literally ten times the white-on-black violent crime rate, that every time an unarmed black is killed by police it’s national news for weeks while whites are murdered by blacks every day and the media don’t mention this at all,), it makes my blood boil. But I don’t have the time or energy to get involved in a fruitless debate with these people. Instead, I imagine how powerful and eloquent Auster’s writing would be on current affairs if he were still alive to see them.

      I’m reminded of this post, which I can still find through Google since I remember some of the phrases used, in which he went off on a commenter who attacked America as racist, by rattling off a litany of all the myriad things America has tried to do to elevate blacks, really conveying how America has completely turned itself inside out for the sake of blacks. It’s been over 12 years since Auster wrote that, and yet the idea, as he put it, “that white America has never done anything for blacks, that whites are still oppressing blacks in the most horrible, conscienceless way” has only grown more pervasive.

      Hermes

      June 12, 2020 at 9:14 PM

    • The sad thing is, this blog used to get a lot of comments that were in the same league as the ones that made ‘View from the Right’ so interesting. At one time the events that have happened in the last few weeks would have generated hundreds of comments here, and would probably have offered the best takes on the subject to be found anywhere. But Lion’s new sparse blogging and commenting style seems to have killed that.

      prolier than thou

      June 14, 2020 at 4:16 AM

      • I get the impression that Lion wants to make Twitter his main online venue, but it doesn’t seem to be working for him. Twitter doesn’t lend itself to substantive replies.

        Hermes

        June 14, 2020 at 8:17 PM

  21. Ann Coulter needs to start a National Party. Immigration reform. Immigration moratorium. Etc.

    John

    June 12, 2020 at 2:39 AM

    • No.

      A good start has been made in wrestling control of the GOP. I think that process should continue. Far better to purge the establishment types in the GOP than try to start from scratch. I think we saw how starting from scratch played out with the Reform Party.

      Mike Street Station

      June 13, 2020 at 8:26 AM

  22. OT: Seattle.

    Trump is blowing it. He should sit back and let Seattle ride, hope that these little Soviets, with their strutting, ANTIFA warlords, get implanted in a dozen American cities before November: Brooklyn, Austin, Portland, LA, Philly, Bay Area…..Watch as they turn into violent, dysfunctional, criminal hell-holes… just emphasize that this is what America will be – writ large – if Biden and Kamala make it to the Whitehouse (and America will be such, that is certain). The trend is your friend, Mr. President.

    Daniel H

    June 12, 2020 at 12:44 PM

  23. Regarding your twitter post on moving boys…Societies especially those elite societies need proles to do their dirty work. No need to feel bad about them. Smart people are supposed to aim for a well established parasitic life in Murkaprolestan while well fed and nicely distracted proles have their cake and eat it.

    blacks no longer serve as a viable source of need for anyone since Hispanic immigration has proven to be a better track record.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    June 12, 2020 at 1:24 PM

  24. The way this is supposed to work is: they’ll give you a citation (write you a ticket) instead of arrest. (In some jurisdictions this is done for marijuana possession.) Lion, you went to law school, in the case of a ticket, you either pay it or go to court. Does this make sense in a criminal context, the usual punishment for murder not being a fine?

    Anthony

    June 12, 2020 at 8:48 PM

    • And if you don’t pay the fine or show up at court, eventually a warrant is issued for your arrest, and at that point the police are authorized to use force if necessary to bring you in. What happens under our new system in which the police don’t have the authority to arrest you against your will? What’s the penalty for neither paying the fine nor going to court?

      Hermes

      June 14, 2020 at 8:20 PM

  25. “Defund the Police” Is a Trojan Horse for New Welfare Spending
    https://www.newsweek.com/defund-police-trojan-horse-new-welfare-spending-opinion-1510071

    destructure

    June 13, 2020 at 8:25 AM

    • This whole thing is a battle for a larger share of a shrinking pie. The police and fire departments are well funded in my city. The NGOs, social service administrators, and race grift want their budget line items. I can’t say I disagree, to a point. The state erased 8% of the economy 10 weeks ago. Budgeting will be tight soon enough. In my state, municipalities must balance their budgets.

      Grand Puba

      June 14, 2020 at 4:24 PM

  26. The Lion asks: “If the police come to arrest you, and you don’t want to be arrested, what are the police to do?”
    A distinguishing feature of Law officers, is “What do they do WHEN a subject is detained? Not because you fear their use of force, but because they are bound by a rule of honor and law.
    Why should you cooperate with the police and not a brigand? The answer to that is one thing which earns the moniker of “thin blue line”.
    There are always enough violent men who could serve the motive of enforcement and deterrence. Not everyone acts with professional courtesy to the criminal (or perhaps falsely accused.)

    On his related note:
    The Lion asks: “But what happens when the police aren’t allowed to use any sort of force at all to arrest people?”

    When the government cannot function, it is replaced. In Minnesota, for instance, some Somali neighborhoods will replace corrupt democrat goverment with the the cruel but time-tested Islamic Sharia.

    TimothyS

    June 14, 2020 at 1:21 AM

  27. Does NYC need many policee going forward? Urban strivers from the Midwest and the other prolier regions along with the Bridge and Tunnel Proles are no longer finding the city a viable source of work/hedonism balance since working remotely has become the new norm.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8345919/Young-people-joining-rich-leaving-NYC-cheaper-dense-cities-coronavirus.html

    On the other side of the spectrum, NAMs are like the urban pests that we learn to loathe and with the city going into a downward economic spiral, think of the street pigeons and rats when their food source is removed.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    June 14, 2020 at 8:36 PM

  28. Lion, it’s great that you allow comments again. Just understand we don’t want Little Somalia do to come to our towns. The worst mistake we ever made was bringing them here, Now they threaten everywhere, there is no option to correct it.

    Joshua Michael Rains

    June 15, 2020 at 2:26 AM

  29. Off-topic: Today’s NYT makes it clear that Amy Cooper was not hawking investments to retail customers. It says she rose “to become a vice-president of insurance portfolio management, making investments for insurance companies.”

    Anthony

    June 15, 2020 at 8:34 AM


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