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Do Haredi Jews in NYC have (temporary) herd immunity?

Frequent commenter Yakov reports that the Haredi Jews in NYC are ignoring social distancing yet no one’s getting sick. At least not this month.

Back in April the NY Times reported that the Haredi community was hit vey hard and there had been 700 deaths. That’s actually quite a low number considering there are something like a quarter of a million Haredi in Brooklyn. If there had been a 1% fatality rate, there should be 2,500 dead Haredi.

However, the Haredi population is very young because they have massive numbers of children, and we know that the fatality rate is a lot lower for the young than the old.

Additionally, 700 could be an undercount, and furthermore people were still dying when this article was written and there were surely more deaths since then.

Epidemiologists should study the Haredi community to learn about what would happen if we refuse to do social distancing and just let everyone get infected.

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The Haredi were probably responsible for contributing to the spread of the virus outside of their community.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 16, 2020 at 2:29 PM

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  1. What’s the Haredi population?
    Any chance for a goy like me with a secular Ashkenazi father but no Jewish cultural attachment to join a serious Jewish (e.g. not reform) community?

    Juan

    July 16, 2020 at 5:45 PM

    • The Satmars will not welcome you, but the Lubavitch will.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 16, 2020 at 6:31 PM

      • Satmar Jews are nicer, so what they are not welcoming and not asking for members?

        I dislike the Lubavitch, they are like phony virtue signaling SWPLs in the name of holier Judaism. This is not too different from the SWPL types who culturally appropriate non-christian religions.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 16, 2020 at 7:17 PM

    • Is your mother Jewish?

      Yakov

      July 16, 2020 at 7:31 PM

    • Every orthodox community will accept you if you are serious about it and willing to convert according to the orthodox way. Considering only your father is Jewish you will have to convert and then accept whatever the standard behaviour of the specific orthodox community you want to join. Same thing will be required from any other Jew who want to join a certain orthodox community.

      Hashed

      July 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM

      • This is true, I met an Orthodox black guy before (African American, not Beta Israel), had a white Jewish wife – he was speaking Yiddish. It shocked the hell out of me. He then looked at me and said “what’s up brotha…?’

        hahaha

        GrassMudHorse

        July 17, 2020 at 9:34 AM

    • Haredi population is around a million, I guess. They are very ethnic and tribal and have a shared culture. If you feel at home among them, it’s doable. But you got to get to know them first. Haredim are black hat and to the right – like long coats, furry hats, etc… That is almost 100% Trump’s territory. Modern orthodox are more diverse, open minded and have their own feminists and leftists, but still mostly support Trump.

      I’m not sure that a reader of this blog would find haredim congenial though. Why are you thinking about it?

      Yakov

      July 20, 2020 at 10:19 PM

  2. Here is a map of the Bug Apple and the number of Covid-19 cases based on zipcode at the end of March, which was the height of the pandemic.

    The zipcodes for Crown Heights are 11213, 11216, 11233, 11238 and 11225. 11213 must be the NAM section which shares the same purple hue as the southern sections of Brooklyn which is mostly populated by blacks, secular Jewish proles and White gentile proles. If anything just looking at this comparison, the Chassidim of Crown Heights weren’t as hard hit.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 16, 2020 at 6:00 PM

    • Damn, I live in a zip code with the highest category of Covid cases. How concerned should I be? Truthfully, all this isolation stinks. How much longer do we have to live like hermits?

      Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      July 17, 2020 at 12:27 AM

      • Question.

        Since you’re in the state with the highest numbers of Covid (to the extent that it has half of the Nation’s total count), and in the worst hit city in that same state, and in the worst hit zip code in that city.

        Do you have any direct or indirect knowledge of someone who died?

        SlushFundPuppie

        July 17, 2020 at 2:49 PM

      • 2 neighbors have died from the Covid-19 in my building. They were both seniors. I know of another person in their 20s who has died from the same virus and 2 distant relatives were hospitalized and then recovered.

        I don’t anyone who has died from the flu or required any hospitalization, because of their symptoms. To compare the Covid-19 with the flu is wrong.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 17, 2020 at 8:10 PM

      • “Do you have any direct or indirect knowledge of someone who died?”

        My pastor (he’s younger than 50 years old) got Covid and was hospitalized for a few weeks. This was early in the pandemic, but he’s OK now. A relative of mine who lived very close to me died in May and was listed as having Covid at his time of death. But he had pancreatic cancer and was in rehab recovering from a stroke, so I assume he died from the cancer advancing rather than the Covid. He was in his early 70’s.

        My relative had a new grandchild born right before the pandemic hit, but because of Covid he never got to be in a room with her. In addition, his son was arrested on some minor offense around this time. While he was recovering from the stroke his last weeks were spent in this hospital with his wife unable to visit due to the Covid-related ban on hospital visitors. Poor guy was the nicest person you’d ever hope to meet and didn’t deserve to have such a sad and painful final 4 months. One bright spot though: I offered to do the food shopping for him and his wife in case she was too afraid to leave the house because of Covid. They didn’t take me up on the offer but I’m sure it was appreciated.

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        July 19, 2020 at 7:47 PM

      • “Do you have any direct or indirect knowledge of someone who died?”

        The proprietor of a convenience store two blocks from my house died from it at about the time the death numbers were cresting.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        July 20, 2020 at 3:12 PM

    • Hilarious.

      Global pandemic: Blacks hurt the most.

      Meteor about to hit earth: women and children hurt the most.

      map

      July 17, 2020 at 1:51 PM

  3. Plenty got sick and some of the most important rabbies in the community died from it. My zip is 11218, it was pretty brutal there.

    Yakov

    July 16, 2020 at 7:33 PM

    • I got now a relative from the orthodox community in Israel who got sick in the second wave. That’s the only people I know who got infected, I don’t think it is serious though but they just got sick this week so will have to see. I don’t know any non orthodox who got sick, I wonder why, it seems like it hits the orthodox harder, maybe because of more condensed living conditions, weaker health, worst diet, less exposure to the sun who knows.

      Hashed

      July 16, 2020 at 11:52 PM

    • 11218 is Borough Park, so you’re not a Lubvatich, but another group of Chassidim who are like the Satmars, always born into the lifestyle, instead of converting into it.

      Lubavitch who are the majority in Crown Heights don’t seem to be nearly as effected with Covid-19. Remember, Lubavitch is the SWPL version of Chassidim, often with frat boy-like tendencies around gentiles.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      July 17, 2020 at 12:28 PM

      • Wrong, Lubavitch was as affected as anyone else, and I am an independent thinker unaffiliated with any narrow movement or group. How can I be otherwise as a fascist? Remember 3 foundations of fascism: authoritarianism, national unity, social justice. Divisive politics of parties, religious sects, social and economic classes are the undoing of a nation and have to be swept away. Order, cooperation and harmony should be the foundations of the society where everyone has rights and obligations. The basis of the state is the welfare of the nation as a whole, not of various classes and parties fighting like spiders in a can to grab as much as possible from the national resources. Read Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera.

        Yakov

        July 17, 2020 at 5:57 PM

      • Today, I started to favor a partition of America. I think if we *did* have a right wing dictator, in order to be truly effective, he would need to carry out political cleansing on a scale that would rival what happened in the totalitarian nations of the 20th century.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        July 18, 2020 at 1:03 AM

      • American Capitalism has surpassed any totalism rulership and has worked very effectively on the masses by the means of “harmless” consumption. Bread n Circus has proven the most effective means of mind control.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 20, 2020 at 8:33 AM

      • We don’t need a rightwing dictator per se, just a populist and paternalist one who is willing to impose hierarchical, military-style order to our society.

        The poor people of our country have been completely abandoned by our elites, morally and socially, left to fend for themselves against fattening foods, corrupting entertainment, and drug addiction. They badly need a leader to guide them to what is right.

        Lowe

        July 20, 2020 at 11:00 AM

  4. A little off topic:

    Even a country like Nigeria can get serious about requiring people to wear masks, but the U.S. can’t get its act together. (Or alternative explanation: Nigeria is part of the worldwide anti-Trump hoax.)https

    Gee, a country that Richard Lynn says is full of 70 IQ retards can get their act together and practice responsible public health practices.

    Latias

    July 17, 2020 at 8:10 AM

    • Their government can get its act together to require the correct public policies. Whether or not the country can carry it out remains to be seen. Certainly Nigeria has a lower quality of people than the U.S., which in turn has a lower quality of people compared to Asian countries.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 17, 2020 at 8:42 AM

    • Welcome back Latias. I’m glad you’re safe and well. Without you I may never have embraced Marxism-Leninism.

      eradican

      July 19, 2020 at 9:28 AM

      • Really, you are an M?. At lot of things have happened to me over the last 4 years. I have a Masters degree in philosophy writing about Islamic occasionalism for my thesis.

        Latias

        July 20, 2020 at 11:46 AM

  5. SlushFundPuppie

    July 17, 2020 at 2:56 PM

  6. It’s over bro. It’s been over since May. It’s literally “just the flu” and the evidence is overwhelming.

    Peterike

    July 17, 2020 at 8:47 PM

    • Peterike,
      You could not be more wrong and if writing something so preposterous, you are calling healthcare workers and public health officals throughout the world liars.

      superdestroyer

      July 19, 2020 at 12:41 PM

    • Feeling some apprehension, I slipped my pistol out of its holster. Then, when I was within a dozen feet of the figure, which had been facing away from me, it began turning slowly toward me. There was something indescribably eerie about the movement, and I stopped in my tracks as the figure continued to turn. A slight breeze rustled the foliage overhead, and suddenly a beam of moonlight broke through the leaves and fell directly on the silently turning shape before me.

      The first thing I saw in the moonlight was the placard with its legend in large, block letters: “I compared coronavirus to the flu.” Above the placard leered the horribly bloated, purplish face of a young woman, her eyes wide open and bulging, her mouth agape. Finally I could make out the thin, vertical line of rope disappearing into the branches above. Apparently the rope had slipped a bit or the branch to which it was tied had sagged, until the woman’s feet were resting on the pavement, giving the uncanny appearance of a corpse standing upright of its own volition.

      National Broscialist

      July 19, 2020 at 8:46 PM

  7. Why didn’t the Haredi Jews observe the lockdown rules?

    prolier than thou

    July 18, 2020 at 1:39 PM

    • It sounds unbelievable, but they were led to believe that it wouldn’t affect them. But once the bodies started piling up in the freezers of the funeral homes, they did. I can’t beleive that they were so stupid, but I was there and I saw it with my own eyes. This is totally against common sense AND Rabbinical tradition of listening to the expert opinion. We are hopeless.

      Yakov

      July 20, 2020 at 10:03 PM

    • Because they believe that rules and norms are for others. It goes along with the tax scamming, welfare fraud, child abuse, wife abuse, etc.

      superdestroyer

      July 21, 2020 at 8:27 AM

  8. Look, the only pandemic I see is the one on television. You know what you see on TV is not necessarily real?

    You can tell the lockdown was only theater because no one implemented a random sampling program to pinpoint the extent of the virus.

    A city with a population of one million would only need to randomly sample 3400 people to test for covid. (It is a feature of statistics that the larger the sample size the smaller the percentage sample you need to test.) Assign a number between 1 and 1 million to your population and then have a spreadsheet generate a random sample from that number. Then, go test the people there. If you have true positives, then you can treat the area as a cluster for quarantine and other aggressive measures to contain.

    None of that was done.

    map

    July 18, 2020 at 3:06 PM

  9. Religious people and conservative people have better resistance to ilnesses because they are more adapted to Darwinian conditions. Mutations of the mind correlate with mutations of the body. The propensity to believe in Atheism and Left wing sentiments are both genetic mutations that would not survive under harsh Darwinian conditions and they co-morbid with other genetic mutations that lower overall health.

    DataExplorer

    July 18, 2020 at 4:38 PM

    • Reddy states residents have shorter time spans. As you go down the list of states with the longest life expectancies the dead bottom states are Republican.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      July 19, 2020 at 9:35 PM

      • Reddy states gave huge populations of black voters that confound the observation and cause those high mortality rates.

        map

        July 20, 2020 at 9:17 PM

  10. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/17/illegal-immigrations-drain-on-u-s-hospitals-spikes-in-recent-months/

    This is the cause of the covid cases. The spike in illegal immigrants at hospitals. You get this surge of sicknesses every election season, when democrats import their illegals to vote.You hade similar spikes in the human enterovirus corresponding to election years/

    map

    July 19, 2020 at 4:38 PM

  11. It is ten days since I made my observation of massive deaths not materializing. They are still not there. Coronavirus was a hoax, but with real deaths generated because of the impotence of the American political system.

    My 2¢

    July 19, 2020 at 5:35 PM

    • The lungs are far, far healthier in warm, humid weather. COVID fatality rates are far, far higher in the cold, dry air of winter than in the warm, humid air of summer.

      This is why COVID was so fatal in New York in winter but not in Texas or Florida in summer.

      Dan

      July 19, 2020 at 10:00 PM

      • Most people are indoors in air conditioned buildings that simulate a more moderate temeprature. Why aren’t they dying because of it?

        map

        July 20, 2020 at 9:19 PM

    • “It is ten days since I made my observation of massive deaths not materializing.”

      Correct.

      COVID fatality rates have PLUMMETED because every respiratory infection is worse when indoor air is very dry.

      I expect death rates to shoot upward again in fall and winter in northern places as indoor air becomes dessicating for the lungs as it is every winter in cold climates. Everyone will wonder why Covid fatality rates are suddenly shooting upward again, because they are incapable of seeing the obvious, which is present in all of the literature on respiratory illness across several decades.

      Dan

      July 19, 2020 at 10:05 PM

      • Without taking population numbers into consideration, igloo territory where the Palins live has far fewer cases than a state like Louisiana or Florida.

        Shivering Prole vs Sweaty Prole, I think freezing proles are less vulnerable, because they are cooped up.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 20, 2020 at 11:31 AM

  12. O/t – regarding the commuting doom of public transit in cities like NYC, only the Metro North Rail that traverses along the Hudson River from Grand Central Station has any grain of worth to the SWPL types. Those who enjoy sightseeing north of Manhattan during the dog days of summer like today will seek their fortunes there.

    I get a really strong feeling that urban status will be relocated. Telecommuting from the city is prole, but telecommuting from a place far far away that keeps NAMs at bay and a cool place to stay has its status.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 19, 2020 at 9:18 PM

  13. O/t – Regarding Jeffrey Tumlin who heads the SF Transit system.

    From this picture, it looks like this guy is projecting.

    This is what distinguishes the real de-facto status of Northeasterners from the nebulous status of individuals from the frontier states (or cornball status, because San Francisco is a cornball city) – This Tumlin dude dresses like a hipster with his sports jacket, tie and jeans and oversees public transportation, while Rick Cotton who is the head of the Port Authority in NYC is both a Yale and Harvard graduate.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 20, 2020 at 8:25 AM

    • And Zuckerberg wears a hoodie.

      I have it on the authority of a friend of mine who worked in the valley, that Zuck was once hosting an expensive dinner at a restaurant which provided numerous forks/knives/spoons. He commented on the silverware, and someone sitting near him started explaining what they were all for.

      Zuck said: Anyone who knows what each piece of silverware is for raise your hand. Then he said: Everyone with your hand raised, get up and leave. I don’t want or need you.

      Please explain to me how the people who went to the fancy dinner to suck up to the billionaire, and then got sent home have more “status” than he does.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 20, 2020 at 3:26 PM

      • On a related note, the paucity of high status alpha men and attractive women in the Bay Area, along with its astronomical real estate prices should send any normal urban striver and mate hunter packing their bags for the Northeast. The Bay Area is a beta male haven where escorts are as frequent as food delivery.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 21, 2020 at 1:20 PM

  14. Meanwhile infections are up in Israel. My sons neighborhood is under complete lockdown airh the army reservists guarding all entrances. My grandaughter stayed home and lost her job, but he snuck out every day to work in Tel Aviv. When stopped, he managed to talk a soldier into letting him go because he needed to feed his 4 kids. He was fined $150 for not wearing a mask while throwing out the garbage, though. Just reporting from the field.

    Yakov

    July 20, 2020 at 12:57 PM

  15. Guy, I think you been purged from google. I tried Sailer, Ann Coulter twitter, unz in general, yours. Thought somebody somehow knocked you all out because none showed up on google search. But you show up on bing.

    Google dropped the hammer.

    trey

    July 20, 2020 at 7:38 PM

  16. However, the Haredi population is very young because they have massive numbers of children, and we know that the fatality rate is a lot lower for the young than the old.

    Since children may not be able to contract the virus, or have limited ability to contract it, the Haredi would reach herd immunity with a lower total percentage of their community than the rest of the US population.

    Additionally, 700 could be an undercount, and furthermore people were still dying when this article was written and there were surely more deaths since then.

    Unlikely.

    Deaths would be very hard to hide from New York authorities that have been on the highest alert for the virus.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 20, 2020 at 9:58 PM

    • If the Haredi practiced little to now social distancing, but their deaths aren’t spiking, then they probably have already reached herd immunity.

      If virologists took a representative sample of the Haredi to test for antibodies, and then controlled by age, they could project pretty easily at what percentage herd immunity would be achieved for the rest of the US. That age adjusted projection would likely be a maximum threshold since most of the rest of the US population isn’t crammed together like the Haredi communities are.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 20, 2020 at 10:03 PM

  17. LOTB,

    Has anyone noticed a form of passive-aggressive protest against wearing masks. I notice a couple of middle age men who fit the MAGA stereotype who were wearing the mask around their neck. I also noticed a few employees at the grocery store of having their nose stick out.

    The best example is both Senator Ted Cruz and some jerks at Disneyworld who walk around holding a coffee cup claiming that they are drinking and thus, do not have to wear a mask.

    superdestroyer

    July 21, 2020 at 1:16 PM


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