Lion of the Blogosphere

Will people return to Midtown?

According to this NY Times article, at one office building on 6th Avenue (in Manhattan, of course), only 6% of people are working in the building compared to the previous summer, so 94% are working from home.

That’s pretty much as I would have expected it to be. If anything, it’s a mystery as to why 6% of the building (500 people) are going into the office. The company I work for has announced that all offices are closed—you can’t go to work in them even if you wanted to—until 2021. And I have no reason to actually believe that they will make people go in in January 2021 if the pandemic isn’t over yet. The longer we all work from home, the more time there is for this to become the norm, and inertia will keep people at home.

This has nothing to do with Donald Trump or Andrew Cuomo, this is all about big corporations keeping their employees home regardless of whether Trump says everything should open or if Cuomo theoretically allows offices to re-open with social distancing. Big corporations don’t want to put their employees at risk or expose themselves to liability, not when everything is working out well enough with everyone working from home.

The big-money question is, what happens if there’s a vaccine and a successful vaccination program such that it’s safe for everyone to return to the office. Will everything go back to the way it was before? I don’t think so. With all the cool restaurants and stuff closed, what made going to work in Midtown fun (if you didn’t have to put up with a long commute) is no longer there. I bet a lot of top-level management has moved to the Hamptons and they may not want to go back themselves, having gotten used to a more rural lifestyle.

The article says, “New York survived the late ’70s, and everybody thought the city was over, rampant crime, near bankruptcy. It survives the market crashes of ’87 and ’89, it survives the dot-com crash of 2000 or so. It survived 2008. So it will survive.

I say that this time it’s different because, in none of those other economic downturns was the whole reason for NYC’s existence, people working in crowded office buildings, put into question. In those cases, some people were out of work, but the technologies to allow 96% or more of the white-collar workforce to work from home didn’t exist. Maybe it existed somewhat in 2008, but 2008 was just an normal recession and didn’t call into question the very reason for NYC being NYC in the first place.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 26, 2020 at 4:37 PM

Posted in New York City

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  1. Some places are just places that are in-demand and they will always be in-demand.

    I live in the Netherlands and when someone leaves for NYC, it’s like a class marker; it’s the ultimate proof you have made it. Will this ever change? I don’t think so. Living in Manhattan in itself is a status marker. It’s where the best and most accomplished people go.

    This might sound weird or pathetic to New Yorkers, but this really is how many people in the world see NYC, and Manhattan especially. A pandemic will not change that.

    Maciano

    July 26, 2020 at 4:47 PM

    • I don’t think so. In America we have a saying (about Manhattan): “If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere”. Sometimes people from outer Burroughs think that this applies to them, and it’s embarrassing/annoying.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 26, 2020 at 5:34 PM

    • People who live in Manhattan take an almost legendarily myopic view of the world.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 26, 2020 at 5:38 PM

      • Yes, Manhattan prolier types think of Westchester as “Upstate”. The last time they’ve been north of the city is eons ago, sort of like in 2002 was the last time I’ve stepped foot on Staten Island.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 26, 2020 at 9:50 PM

    • There are 2 types of high status Manhattanites, the former having a lot more status than the latter. The old guard (someone who grew up in Manhattan, either becoming successful or by inherited wealth and whose parents also live in Manhattan, think Toby Milstein) and the transplant (the exemplary urban striver who takes on a high paying job upon arriving, think Amy Cooper). The former type could include parents living in their childhood apartments in Manhattan, and they residing in another location within Manhattan.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      July 26, 2020 at 5:58 PM

    • Most people who make it in Manhattan are being subsidized to live there when they get a start. Many economist and sociologist have written about the massive subsidies that some families give their children to get into the entry level jobs in Manhattan.

      Being able to make it in Manhattan is probably more a marker of family socio-economic status than ability or talent.

      The queston for the future is whether families will keep subsidizing someone to live in Manhattan while that person works from home is some very small, very expensive apartment.

      superdestroyer

      July 27, 2020 at 9:45 AM

      • I know of someone whose parents live in a massive 3 bedroom apartment in Manhattan, one of those subsidized, rent stablized apartments where they grew up in and still on the lease. Unlike public housing, their neighbors are also proles of the old Manhattan in a bygone era. Not much to envy given that these apartments were built in the 60s and 70s, during an era of atrocious post war architecture notably with low ceilings. However, this person now lives in luxury housing in the nearby vicinity where visiting one’s parents is a stone’s throw away.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 27, 2020 at 3:38 PM

      • “whose parents live in a massive 3 bedroom apartment in Manhattan”

        It’s amusing to hear someone describe a 3 BR apartment as “massive”. I remember watching Seinfeld years ago and thinking how unrealistic it was that people in their 30s and 40s were still single, living in little apartments. I didn’t know at the time that was how many NYers really lived. That’s depressing.

        In other parts of the country, even working class people have nice homes. My own parents never earned much. Yet today they’re worth millions and live in a newer 4500 sq ft stone house on several acres in one of the best school districts in America. Of course, that was hardly the case when I was growing up! But I doubt most Manhattanites end up as well off.

        Median incomes in NYC are a little higher but cost of living is much higher. So, for most people, there’s no real advantage to living in NY. For top university graduates, there may be. Some will burn out. But the rest have a good chance of ending up very well off. While it may be worth it for top graduates to take a high-flying position in NY, I don’t think it’s the huge advantage most think. It’s not like they wouldn’t have done well somewhere else. I made a truckload of money living in a region where median household incomes were less than 40K. Would I have made more in NY? I don’t know. But I’ve also done well enough that I don’t care. Ironically, I actually did move near a major city that’s regularly ranked as one of the best in the world. Cost of living is comparable to NYC and San Francisco. But I did NOT get my start here. I moved here afterwards.

        While it may be worth it for high-flyers to live in NYC or other such cities, it’s not worth it for most working and middle class workers. I think there are a number of irrational thought processes that go into it. First is the thing JS is always yammering about — status. I think people who live in places like NYC tend to be status obsessed. And status obsessed people tend to have an unrealistic sense of self-importance and belief in their own abilities. In other words, many move there thinking (and hoping) they’ll be one of the high-flyers. And the reason many stay is that they don’t want to admit they’re not. If they left they’d be one of the unwashed masses they and their friends badmouth. So they stay in cramped apartments in a city where many can’t even afford to have families. But at least they have a world class restaurant and bar scene!

        But the worst part of living in one of those cosmopolitan cities is that everyone is so status obsessed that even values and morality become a “fashion” statement. And heaven help you if you don’t have the right ones. You’d better say “2+2=5” and make them believe you mean it or you’ll get doxxed and black balled. Even if you’re not gullible enough to believe then your children will be brainwashed into it.

        Confucius say: Better to earn $80K where median is $50K than $120K where median is $150K.

        destructure

        July 29, 2020 at 12:38 PM

      • NYC is status obsessed, because of one particular reason. It lacked the coherent religiosity among the British Colonies that would have nullified the striving nature that one finds in NYC. New England was the land of the Puritans and Philadelphia was a Quaker town.

        A good question to ask is why isn’t the Hudson Valley a land of ambition and energy like Manhattan? Manhattan is indeed connected with the Hudson River and just south of the Hudson Valley. The Hudson Valley was a region full of intrigues and power struggles in the early days of America, and it became a major industrial center for all kinds of products. There’s are cues that without activities in the Hudson Valley, Manhattan wouldn’t be the place today. Then you have immigrants coming from all over the world that have settled in NYC offering all kinds of foods and cuisines, which has propel its status. Cosmopolitanism coupled with Capitalism, which is apparent in NYC’s diverse restaurant scene, is an indicator of this status (something which black americans are lacking in NYC, and are thus are ill fitted and hated in the city, out of all the different groups of people). People who live in better neighborhoods have access to more variety and better food in their vicinity.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 30, 2020 at 10:10 PM

  2. London’s survived a lot worse than NYC has – including worse crime, and obviously worse disease. It’s still the number one most populated metro area in Europe. If I could pick one acre of land anywhere in the world to have bequeathed to my great-great-grandchildren, I’d want it in Manhattan. That doesn’t mean I want to raise them there.

    Keep in mind that back in the day, a lot of mega-corps moved their headquarters to exurbs of Major cities. I see that as a likely trend. My current employer does IT at one office ninety minutes from midtown, and HR at another office two hours in the other direction from direction another ninety minutes from midtown. They sell their goods and services all over NYC, but don’t have any staff working from offices there.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    July 26, 2020 at 5:03 PM

    • Great Britain is a dead country. Nigel Farage is the last great Englishmen and despite his achievements like Brexit it’s still not enough. George Galloway is Scottish but also a superior Englishman than most. London may have survived but it was a London not brought low by outsourcing, insourcing, open borders, soft on crime, race denial, and woke politics.

      There are also two Londons The City of London is separate from greater London and Westminster. The City of London is a unique city state within the UK even predating the UK by centuries. What is popularly called London came afterward and was created by the crown government as a way to compete with the city. The City of London is like the British Wall Street but much older and is considered a sovereign government of sorts with its own crest, laws, police, prosecutors, and special place in parliament.

      eradican

      July 27, 2020 at 8:31 AM

  3. this is all about big corporations keeping their employees home regardless of whether Trump says everything should open or if Cuomo theoretically allows offices to re-open with social distancing. Big corporations don’t want to put their employees at risk or expose themselves to liability, not when everything is working out well enough with everyone working from home.

    One of the many bad outcomes of COVID may be the advancement of liability for disease transmission. Companies, conference centers, schools, and sports franchises are all concerned about being sued if someone in their premises gets COVID. But the same legal reasoning could be applied to the flu or other contagious diseases.

    There must be some legal precedent for it, but I’ve never heard of anyone going after the New York Knicks because he caught something at a Knicks game. But now that concept is going to be out in the general public’s minds for good, and ambulance-chasing attorneys will have a field day. This will be like airport security after 9-11: it will never fully go away, even when COVID itself does.

    Jerry

    July 26, 2020 at 5:54 PM

    • I think that if there isn’t a law passed that raises the standard of evidence required for such lawsuits, we’re in deep trouble as a nation. Unless an employer/host/etc. violated the law or could be proven to have acted in a way that was malicious or deliberately in opposition to safety guidelines, they shouldn’t be open to lawsuits. Even if the going rate to make a COVID lawsuit go away is $5K or $10K, that’s still enough that there will still be thousands of scumbags who deliberately get themselves infected then visit as many places as possible to maximize the amount of lawsuits they can file.

      Chris IV

      July 27, 2020 at 8:41 AM

  4. Manhattan has 4 things that makes it unique, one being non-transferable. The hectic, electrifying energy and city never sleeps, just aren’t found in other American cities. Restaurants, bookstores and cultural institutions can move elsewhere.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 26, 2020 at 6:03 PM

  5. Why do always insist that top brass who live, work and play in Manhattan are only in the Hamptons as their 2nd home?

    Again, Scarsdale is the wealthiest suburb in the entire NYS and no.2 wealthiest in the entire country!

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 26, 2020 at 6:23 PM

  6. 2 posts about new york going dodo bird. Lion on overdrive! I will give you are right about the Coronvirus being worse than most people thought. But I won’t buy the doom and gloom if, if that is, if we get a vaccine in next 6 – 12 months and its implemented with competent government administration,like in Germany or New Zeland. Our Dodo-bird-in-Chief can’t do that unfortunately.

    uman

    July 26, 2020 at 6:33 PM

    • “Our Dodo-bird-in-Chief can’t do that unfortunately.”

      Absurd. Presidents do not make or distribute vaccines. Whether, Trump, Obama, Biden or whoever.

      Why have we gone all African dictator such that the president is seen to be in charge of every damned thing? He is not. We have drug companies and gov’t regulatory agencies that do this work with no involvement from the president! Grow up, people.

      Alice

      July 28, 2020 at 4:37 PM

      • Presidents don’t personally do any real work, but if things in the government executive branch suck,then the one you blame is the President.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 30, 2020 at 3:37 PM

  7. I think the thing is that you’re going to need office space and face to face meetings to acclimate new workers, especially inexperienced ones, and some stuff just works better face to face. Also, people will realize that if they become 100% remote, they can be replaced by Indians in a lot of cases. Thus, I suspect what you are going to see is people coming into Midtown 20% of the time. The problem is, that isn’t enough people to be able to sustain a world class restaurant and bar scene, and it’s also not enough to justify, for most people anyway, paying a ton of money to live in Manhattan or even many suburbs that enjoy their premium prices due to their excellent train situations (e.g. Larchmont, Manhasset, Millburn).

    I think the winners are going to be towns with a walkable center and 60-90 minutes away by train. Think Princeton, Boonton, Cold Spring, Greenwich, Huntington, etc.

    Chris IV

    July 26, 2020 at 6:40 PM

    • I think the whole india thing is overblown, especially for anything front office related jobs. While they have plenty of educational knowledge, they just dont have the critical thinking skills, communication skills, etc at this point to really take jobs away. And theres something missing in the culture/work ethic. I dont know how to describe it but it’s very hard to find workers who can take initiative. In general, they constantly need to be told what to do.

      People have been talking about this for 20 years. Maybe it works in IT, I really dont know. But in my company we’ve been trying. Very hard to groom people to do finance type jobs and are having very little success.

      Jilla

      July 27, 2020 at 2:20 AM

      • 75% of the results for 30% of the pay is still good enough for most upper managers, especially those with short sighted compensation packages.

        Chris IV

        July 27, 2020 at 4:57 PM

      • Interesting observation. Which type of finance are you talking about – Backoffice? midoffice or Front office?
        It also depends on what type of talent you are dealing with – students from first tier or 2nd tier schools…

        uman

        July 27, 2020 at 7:00 PM

  8. Saw a massive party on Brighton Beach. People enter with masks, but take them off inside. Totally wild just like last summer and nobody is getting sick in that neighborhood. It’s over in these places. Maybe will come back one day, but now it’s over.

    All the kids are in day camp for a months and nobody got sick that I know of. My daughter runs a caffe, my son in law a restaurant. The places are mobed and no one is getting sick. Sorry to rain on your parade , Lion. I don’t understand this thing, but this is how it is in the real world of Brooklyn, NY.

    Yakov

    July 26, 2020 at 6:51 PM

    • lol get back to us in 2 to 4 weeks when these party people’s mom/dad and granma start getting sick.

      uman

      July 26, 2020 at 9:58 PM

    • Nope. I’m standing by heard immunity for Yakov’s social circle. Look at the daily deaths:

      https://ycharts.com/indicators/new_york_coronavirus_deaths_per_day

      It’s not spreading as quickly because all the high-risk people caught it and got immunity. I’m still taking precautions, but acknowledge the risk is now low.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 27, 2020 at 2:30 PM

  9. Cities are economic engines. Under normal circumstances, people want to be around other productive people. This shall pass.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more slacking when people stay at home. And I wouldn’t be surprised if companies did not report the slacking because behavior is contagious, and you’d see a slacking death-spiral.

    Vince

    July 26, 2020 at 7:18 PM

    • Wrong. More work gets done, because the most productive people don’t slack.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 28, 2020 at 4:43 PM

  10. NYC will survive, not exactly the same as you suspect, but I think there enough industry and demand that even in a WFH world, NYC will. Ideally, even in a better form, enough to that will not just live, but “thrive”. Thrive in this sense as in the city will no longer be so suffocating In expenses.

    That might be just being optimistic, but demand and prices has been so absurdly high before. So I hope it means it will balance out to something better.

    Dreamer

    July 26, 2020 at 7:58 PM

    • A lot of NAMs in NYC. Good luck as they say!

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      July 29, 2020 at 5:54 PM

  11. It makes very little sense that office workers are such Special Snowflakes that they have to be protected from This Disease Thing. As I’ve mentioned, I work in a 4,500-employee facility on Stat, er, Prole Island, with working from home scarcely being an option. People just go to work like always, and by this point the incessant social distancing reminders (people stationed in the lobbby and other high-traffic areas shouting “Six feet apart!”) have become cliches, or just background noise. Speaking of background noise, it’s high enough that it’s really impossible to stay six feet apart from another employee if you need to speak to them, so people often end up getting closer. Office workers are in quiet enviroments and actually can maintain that distance no trouble.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    July 26, 2020 at 8:17 PM

  12. Will everything go back to the way it was before? I don’t think so. With all the cool restaurants and stuff closed, what made going to work in Midtown fun (if you didn’t have to put up with a long commute) is no longer there.

    Work from home does not decrease productivity in most studies unless workers spend more than 3 days out of 5 workdays remote. 2 to 3 days seems to improve productivity no matter how micromanaging, nagging, women managers may feel uncomfortable with it.

    When a vaccine comes out most white collar businesses will have more occupancy rates, but at between 30% to 50% of capacity, with everyone else staying remote because it just isn’t necessary to have everyone on-site anymore if work can be done by computer.

    That will be good for reducing traffic commute times.

    But work from home wouldn’t end Manhattan since millions of wealthy people would have reason to LIVE in NYC apartments, even if they spend only a third, or less of their, work time in an office.

    What would doom it is the Giuliani-Bloomberg anti-crime measures are slackened by clowns like DeBlasio.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 26, 2020 at 10:06 PM

  13. Maybe tomorrow a few million people will wake up and say, “I just realized this whole Covid thing was a giant con game! Back to work!” And Manhattan returns to normal.

    Peterike

    July 26, 2020 at 10:20 PM

    • Maybe tomorrow I’ll wake up and discover 10 million dollars was added to my bank account.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 27, 2020 at 2:01 PM

    • I’ve been saying that right from the beginning. When I read that in northern Italy, the hardest hit spot at the time, the average age of death was 82 I knew right away.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      July 27, 2020 at 7:16 PM

      • The median age of deaths has been trending down. The retirement homes and specialty nursing center have harden themselves. There are a multitude of data sources that will show you the percentage of deaths of those under 60. Those numbers are growing.

        But of course, the real argument that many are making is that those who have died from Covid-19 deserved to die because they were old or weak. In addition, focusing of deaths ignores the almost 1 million people who have been hospitalized. Covid-19 is not binary where one either dies or is asymtomatic.

        superdestroyer

        July 28, 2020 at 12:26 PM

      • No one is saying old or sick people deserved to die. That is sick. It just is not surprising when those people die. It is expected even with no covid. We all know this. We know that the flu kills many thousands every year. It is no surprise. However, when young healty people die, then people know that the germ is very dangerous. Covid is medium dangerous. And we aren’t used to having something like that. We are used to having a vaccine for something this dangerous.

        Alice

        July 28, 2020 at 4:49 PM

    • Indeed Peterike. The largest case of mass hysteria in world history. Quite a sight to behold though.

      There a some genuine heroes out there though:

      Andrew E.

      July 28, 2020 at 9:13 AM

  14. Coronavirus turns the City into a ghost town

    When Stephen Welton went into the City of London last week, the veteran financier felt like he was walking through a “ghost town”.

    The chairman of the Business Growth Fund, one of the UK’s largest investors in small businesses and start-ups, who has worked in the City for more than three decades said: “You could practically see the tumbleweeds.”

    A week after prime minister Boris Johnson announced he would relax lockdown rules to allow workers to return to their offices, the City’s largest employers show little sign of accelerating plans to get staff back at their desks.

    https://www.ft.com/content/5281b079-d7da-49d0-a16c-a62c8f1a123f?desktop=true&segmentId=d8d3e364-5197-20eb-17cf-2437841d178a#myft:notification:instant-email:content

    Frau Katze

    July 27, 2020 at 12:16 AM

  15. Lion, we need a fully analysis of “indian matchmaking” ASAP!!

    Full rundown on all the contestants and implication of 5 – 8 million indians in the US by 2050!!!

    Uman

    July 27, 2020 at 9:06 AM

    • No, Uman, we don’t. Getting Lion started on any subject involving Indians is a bad idea. Pretty soon we’ll be treated to another Indian B.O. post. I’ll pass.

      Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      July 28, 2020 at 2:17 PM

      • Maryk – Lion has posted 10+ times on this show. I think it deserves multiple blog posts. I demand it.

        uman

        July 28, 2020 at 4:41 PM

      • Correction: He has posted 10+ times on twitter on the show..

        uman

        July 28, 2020 at 4:41 PM

      • I’m surprised by some of the hate on Twitter I’m seeing. a lot of context is missing but definitely very binge watching worthy show.

        Lots of SJWs hating on colorism/casteism/classism on the show. VERY non-pc.

        mpt

        July 28, 2020 at 8:03 PM

  16. On a similar note, will students return to a college town like Ithaca?

    https://www.wjhl.com/news/national/with-no-students-small-college-town-worries-over-future/

    It’s best to replace the student demographic with city folks evading the dangers of Covid-19 from a dense urban setting.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 27, 2020 at 11:44 AM

    • Yes, I DO think that students will return to in-person college.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 27, 2020 at 2:03 PM

      • With WTF (work telecommuting forever) becoming a new norm in the near future, college towns will be very desirable for those who can’t afford a Scarsdale or the Hamptons where they avoid low down proles and NAMs. In fact, all burgeoning towns in Upstate NY are college towns, including your beloved Cazenovia. Otherwise, most Upstate NY towns and cities are no different from decrepit Ohio. I could see the real estate market rationing housing in these college towns to allow for social distancing and density reduction, thereby creating a demand and price surging.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 27, 2020 at 3:24 PM

      • The students will be young, at low risk. Will the older profs come back?

        Frau Katze

        July 27, 2020 at 3:36 PM

    • If one looks at how quickly the members of the Miami Marlins became infected, it should be apparent that any large university that tries to have students on campus will quickly become a hot spot and many of them will end up sending a large number, if not all, of the students home. The smart parents will save their money and skip a year until the situation is more stable.

      superdestroyer

      July 28, 2020 at 12:28 PM

      • Good, now college towns can reinvent themselves for the smart middle class, who have been putting up with dumb prole and NAM culture, because they can’t afford it.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 28, 2020 at 1:16 PM

      • College towns only work is there are college students and the just graduated/never graduated hangers on. See Iowa City, Iowa. If you take the college students out.then all that is left is something very similar to Davenport Iowa.

        superdestroyer

        July 28, 2020 at 5:51 PM

  17. A vaccine would be a huge change. Covid would become like polio.

    But don’t expect one soon. If it was ready in 2021 that would extremely fast.

    Frau Katze

    July 27, 2020 at 3:40 PM

  18. This is a good reason why Pan-Prolestanica in Meriprolestan is a bad idea.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-would-cut-unemployment-payments-in-virus-relief-plan/ar-BB17f5Uf?li=BBnb7Kz

    Republicans object to extending the additional $600 weekly federal unemployment benefit, citing many claimants are getting more in benefits than their actual job that pays less. NYC’s minimum wage is about $15 per hour and $600 a week translates to this amount per hour. Meanwhile, hicksville in Alabama or Kentucky and prolesville, somewhere in the Midwest have hourly minimum wages half of NYC’s.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 27, 2020 at 3:51 PM

  19. It will only do good to NY if the prices will go down a bit and young creative people will be able to afford it again like it was before 2000. NY became a boring city where only rich people can really enjoy themselves while the rest spend most of their time and money trying to pay the rent. If any change will happen, which I doubt because things will go back to normal after a while, it will only be for good and will make the city even more fun and lively.

    Hashed

    July 27, 2020 at 7:01 PM

  20. “With all the cool restaurants and stuff closed, what made going to work in Midtown fun”

    Most workers don’t even get the cool restaurants. Most of the time people only have the time and budget for $12 crappy wraps and salads. If a decent lunch place is good, you’ll spend 15 minutes waiting on line.

    Or if you’re in a real rush you do a mobile order at Starbucks with counters so filthy you would look down on anyone that kept their kitchen counter like that.

    jimmygandhi

    July 27, 2020 at 8:47 PM

    • Manhattan wraps are superior to any non-elite food served in greater Meriprolestan. There was a lady who I once encountered and she said that the diner food in the Midwest is appalling and she was glad to return to Manhattan after her temp assignment. She was a consultant for Accenture (which is prole).

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      July 28, 2020 at 10:18 AM

      • JS, I don’t know how much experience you have with Brooklyn restaurants, but even the proliest ones are not bad. I’ve rarely been to even the smallest place that does take-out food and not been provided with at least decent food, let alone good food. People don’t have to be eating gourmet at every meal. And people shouldn’t be getting take-out food for lunch every day at work anyway. Bringing your lunch from home saves a ton of money. Of course, you need to have a place to sit down and eat it. In the warmer month you may be able to sit on a park bench and eat, but in the winter this isn’t always an option.

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        July 28, 2020 at 2:22 PM

      • I‘ll take barbecue in South Carolina or Texas any day. Or a stromboli from Scranton, PA for that matter. Not healthy but much tastier.

        Peter Akuleyev

        July 31, 2020 at 12:29 AM

  21. OT:

    Lion, any comment on California’s plan to make the bar exam easier so more NAMs can pass it?

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-26/california-lowers-bar-exam-score-coronavirus

    Stan Adams

    July 27, 2020 at 9:05 PM

    • We can predict what Lion will say. He’ll say that any law school that graduates a lot of NAMs will now be even lower-tiered than “Guido Law schools.” After 6 1/2 years on LOTB, I know the mind of my Lion!

      Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      July 28, 2020 at 2:24 PM

      • Blacks don’t like law school because it’s too hard, the exams are graded anonymously, they don’t get extra exam points for having black skin.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM

      • Nahh, at least this black doesn’t like law school only because it’s BORING. And it’s not that hard. I’m in the middle of my class.

        GondwanaMan

        July 29, 2020 at 6:50 AM

      • Lion, I am going to similar law school to yours in terms of prestige and demographics. Where did you graduate in your class?

        GondwanaMan

        July 29, 2020 at 6:51 AM

      • I graduated in the top 10% of the class. I have an Order of the Coif certificate to prove it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 30, 2020 at 3:38 PM

      • Also I didn’t write-on to any journals because I hate that type of stuff. How much will this hurt me in the long-run???

        GondwanaMan

        July 29, 2020 at 6:52 AM

      • Really Lion?? I knew you were smart as hell but can you send me a copy of that certificate I’m just curious.

        GondwanaMan

        July 31, 2020 at 8:42 AM

  22. Here is an article that might change your views of the Hamptons, essentially, it isn’t what’s cracked up to be for anyone seeking refuge from the pandemic!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/illegal-and-reckless-cuomo-slams-chainsmokers-concert-that-drew-thousands-in-the-hamptons/ar-BB17h7Th?li=BBnbfcL

    Now, the Hamptons isn’t a small place, certain areas aren’t wealthy. But…

    A concert overflowing with tattooed goons and gals who are not taking social distancing measures seriously in the Hamptons, is prole drifting!

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 28, 2020 at 8:16 AM

    • Unless you are living in those $5 million+ houses the Hamptons is overrated.

      jimmygandhi

      July 28, 2020 at 12:27 PM

      • Proles are no different than NAMs in the sense that sensory perception of other humans provides them the most pleasure, with the same principle in mind that humans usually inflict the most pain to other humans. So one lives in the boring Hamptons only to derive pleasure upon seeing other humans and take up a residence there, because the wealthy are also there. In this way, the Hamptons are overrated!

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        July 28, 2020 at 1:06 PM

  23. The problem w/ working in Manhattan is getting to work. You can ride the subway, or take a train or bus in from the suburbs and then ride the subway. Who cares how lively it is after putting up w/ that?

    Amused Observer

    July 28, 2020 at 4:40 PM

  24. Your new post should be “Will students return to college campuses?”

    Yes, students who attend prolier schools will do so. A prolier Ivy League like Cornell is also reopening in the fall.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 29, 2020 at 8:22 AM

  25. midtown is one of the dumpiest places ive ever visited, truly disgusting. times square is prole tourist mecca. one of those grumpy elmo assholes tried to hug me then take my money. love uptown though, especially around morningside heights. and downtown has this this eerie deserted feel to it that is really complimented by rain.

    james n.s.w

    July 29, 2020 at 10:09 AM

  26. This scenic drive isn’t far from My Earthly Paradise of Cody, Wyoming.
    While Montana, unlike Wyoming, requires a permit to carry, they’re not hard to get.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    July 29, 2020 at 2:27 PM

  27. Better: Will people strivers return to Midtown?

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    July 30, 2020 at 11:26 AM

  28. “We must continue to spread the Corona virus message: social distancing, sanitizing, hand washing, and masks. Don’t take it for granted. Take it seriously.”

    – Herman Cain 6/11/2020

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    July 30, 2020 at 12:46 PM

  29. I guess there are a few random people in offices. People that can no longer stand their family, and since work is empty, or near empty, they just go to the office.

    I’d imagine that IT people who want to do some wiring or need to do something physical like add hardware.

    Maybe someone goes in once a week to water the plants?

    Who gets the mail that’s delivered to offices? Who sorts it and gets it to the right people?

    GMR

    July 30, 2020 at 6:46 PM


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