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Vice Presidents

As you should know, the Vice President doesn’t do anything important, and certainly has no say over policy decisions, unless the President dies while in office. Otherwise, all he (or she) does is go to funerals. According to my reading of the Constitution, the Vice President is supposed to be like a 101st Senator, but all modern VPs seem to ignore that role and only head over to the Senate if they need to break a tie. Theoretically, the VP could break a tie in the opposite direction that the President wants him (or her) to, but when was the last time that happened?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 14, 2020 at 9:20 AM

Posted in Politics

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  1. “Otherwise, all he (or she) does is go to funerals.”

    IOW, it’s a largely ceremonial position. If, as I expect, Biden wins the roles will be reversed, with Biden being the one who does ribbon cuttings and funerals, while Harris acts as a kind of COO, answerable to Obama, Pelosi, and Schumer. The latter in turn will be getting their orders from Amazon, Apple, Faacebook, and Google.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    August 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM

    • During GWB’s presidency, the left was big on the idea that Cheney was pulling all the strings and Bush was a mere figurehead.

      Hermes

      August 14, 2020 at 1:14 PM

  2. I think the original Constitutional vision of the Senate was that VP would basically be the discussion leader and have considerable moral authority there. John Adams hoped to do this but realized almost immediately that it wasn’t going to happen.

    VP breaking ties in the opposite direction of the President was very viable under the original system of picking the VP. We had a tied Senate in 2000, so under the original system Gore would have been VP and ties would have been broken in the Dems’ favor.

    So basically VP took a major step down when it became clear the implicit role of VP didn’t have any powers to back it, and then took another step down with the VP being chosen by the President and only having any authority as a result of the President delegating it, which has resulted in unwavering loyalty from pretty much every VP since then.

    Wency

    August 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM

  3. Jared Kushner is Trump’s son in law. Why wouldn’t he be loyal to him?

    If Kushner was to stand on his own feet, he would experience problems. Being a soft, gentle, golden boy isn’t what Meriprole culture stands for. Quite the opposite, being obnoxious, pushy and aggressive are all hallmarks of American life.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 14, 2020 at 1:47 PM

    • Fun facts:

      1. In his eight years as VP, Joe Biden never cast a tie breaker Senate vote.
      2. In 2017, his first year as VP, Mike Pence set the first-year VP record with six tie breaker votes cast. In 2018 he cast seven, tying Schuyler Colfax’s all-time one-year record set in 1872. Colfax was Grant’s first VP.

      njguy73

      August 14, 2020 at 5:19 PM

      • Trump calls the Democratic Congressman Max Rose, who represents Staten Island, a weakling, and he has no business in representing the island’s strong armed proles who are all about bada bing bada boom. Although I think a guy like Max Rose has more chutzpah than a Jared Kushner. Max Rose served in the army and Jared Kushner is just a Manhattan SWPLite.

        https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/president-trump-calls-for-ouster-of-staten-island-rep-max-rose/

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 15, 2020 at 4:32 PM

  4. Biden is like 130 years old and is already suffering serious dementia/Alzheimer’s, much worse that Reagan’s was. Kamala Harris would likely become president.
    But that won’t happen, because Trump will clearly win. I won money on that bet in 2016, and will be betting a lot more in 2020. The “silent Trump voter” effect, as simple as that. Hardworking American see their cities burning, and then hear the Left talking about defunding the police; it’s a no-brainer, really. But of course CNN isn’t going to tell you that.

    TheVoteBoat

    August 14, 2020 at 2:25 PM

    • I’m not sure about that “silent Trump voter” effect. We didn’t see it in the primaries. On the other hand, here’s hoping that that current woke craziness will scare normal Democratic and Independent voters who don’t want their homes and businesses burnt to the ground in the name of social justice.

      Mike Street Station

      August 15, 2020 at 7:04 AM

      • It’s a type of extortion though, if they vote for Trump the left will continue with the riots, if they vote Biden you will suddenly have all those talks about “healing” and why we need more “responsible” police and extra funding to police to learn how to behave. So basically, if they want quiet cities they might have to pay the extortion fee and vote democrats.

        Hashed

        August 15, 2020 at 6:08 PM

      • There were several states where more votes were cast in the GOP presidential primary than in the Democrats’–and that with Trump being unopposed.

        370H55V

        August 16, 2020 at 12:06 AM

      • Hashed is right. Whenever a Republican is in office the media is all doom and gloom. But as soon as a Democrat is elected the rain stops and the sun comes out. The circumstances can be exactly the same. What’s different is the coverage. Only now the left is so enraged by Trump that they’ve gone from misreporting the news to engineering riots.

        destructure

        August 17, 2020 at 4:44 PM

      • @ Hashed

        Please stop posting nonsense. You must be some upper middle class Boomer or Gen X type who is clueless about the modern USA. Most American cities have been dumps for years if not decades the idea that the Democrats are going to reign them in is a complete joke. Obama was also president for eight years and during his second term race hustling, race riots, soaring crime, and black lives matter were all being embraced by the white house.

        Trump was elected president first in the primaries and the general election to combat all this shit which he did successfully first as a candidate for president and then as president at least until 2020. His base and the general public is enraged even more about the direction of the country now.

        eradican

        August 18, 2020 at 5:34 AM

    • “But that won’t happen, because Trump will clearly win”

      Do you think Trump will win the popular vote, or will this be an electoral college victory like most other Republican victories in the last twenty years?

      prolier than thou

      August 18, 2020 at 2:01 PM

  5. There are many ways this could be improved, if people bothered to do it. One that would be pretty easy to implement is to have the president appoint a small group (maybe 3 or 5) of people who already hold high offices (member of Congress, governor, or cabinet secretary). They would receive regular security briefings but would otherwise would continue to do their current job. One of them would also be appointed as the vice president; the reason to have a small group is that then if the vice president dies or resigns or becomes president, you have a pool of others who already up to speed on the briefings to choose the next vice president from.

    Doing this would reset the norm to be that the vice president has another job, rather than just waiting around to become president.

    Blue Tribe Dissident

    August 14, 2020 at 3:38 PM

  6. OT: Lion, on your https://wordpress.com/stats page, do you see any referrals from the Unz Review? I had a lot but now they’re gone.

    Alexander Turok

    August 14, 2020 at 3:49 PM

  7. If Biden wins, Kamala will be the president in effect. Biden has significant dementia.

    Return of Shawn

    August 14, 2020 at 4:14 PM

  8. There is a good argument that Harris is not even a natural born American citizen, as the constitution requires.

    Roger

    August 14, 2020 at 4:47 PM

    • No, this is not a good argument. Do you really think someone would change their vote on this?

      Rather, I think Trump should go after Kamala hard. Paint her as the stealth “real” Democrat presidential candidate —a liberal Trojan horse, ready to take advantage of Biden’s obvious frailty.

      Highlight her past in California. Hurt her cred with black voters by pointing out how many blacks she jailed on weed charges, etc as a prosecutor. And also hurt her cred among independents by forcing hem to consider the whole country going the way of San Francisco, Portland, Seattle.

      I think this approach could seriously hurt Biden’s campaign. It paints Biden as a weakling placeholder Manchurian candidate, while at the same time allowing Trump to highlight Kamala’s ultra-liberal past and hammer her on it.

      driveallnight

      August 15, 2020 at 5:17 AM

    • No there isn’t. Please stop this conspiratorial nonsense. It’s embarrassing.

      Mike Street Station

      August 15, 2020 at 7:05 AM

      • There is no conspiracy involved. It is simply a matter of reading the text of the Constitution, and applying definitions that were understood at the time. There is some disagreement among law professors, and no Supreme Court ruling on point.

        Admittedly, those who want the President and VP to be natural born American citizens are probably voting for Trump anyway.

        Roger

        August 16, 2020 at 2:53 AM

      • Mike Street Station is a cuckservative who thinks Dubya won the 2000 presidential election fair and square. How did that work out for you Mike? Dubya was the worst president in American history and now twenty years later do you have any regrets? Frankly people like you ought to be ashamed for wrecking the country.

        eradican

        August 18, 2020 at 5:37 AM

  9. […] is now telling me I’ve gotten no referrals from UR, ever. The same thing happened to Lion of the Blogosphere. This has no real negative effect on me but may presage a greater increase in […]

    • No offense but maybe everyone realized you’re stupid? Seems like you never appreciated a good thing while you had it constantly whining and crying about the Trump presidency. Successes like low crime, general social peace, a great economy, crackdowns on illegal immigration, momentum for reforms, etc were ignored by you instead all you ever bitched about was losing your liberal friends. Now that crime is soaring, law has broken down, race riots have destroyed our cities, the economy has collapsed, and Trump is the last thing standing in the way of this shit being normalized are you more popular with your liberal social circle? That’s all that ever mattered to you after all.

      eradican

      August 18, 2020 at 5:46 AM

      • “Now that crime is soaring, law has broken down, race riots have destroyed our cities, the economy has collapsed”

        All happened while Trump is president. I guess Trump fans don’t believe that the “buck stops here.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 19, 2020 at 11:45 AM

  10. Trump is at least as senile as Biden. The way he repeats himself, can’t keep on topic, has to concentrate so he doesn’t fall, etc. (It’s possible repetition isn’t forgetfulness but a trick-of-the-trade for his job as salesman and con-man.)

    Anthony

    August 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM

    • The linguist John McWhorter has speculated that Trump repeats himself because his vocabulary is so limited. If you listen to President Trump is has a few go to phrases. I suspect that since President Trump does not read anything that he never learns any new phrases or words or just has no interest in language.

      superdestroyer

      August 17, 2020 at 6:59 PM

    • No just no.

      eradican

      August 18, 2020 at 5:47 AM

  11. Must get on a career track lucrative enough so as to not have to live next door to convicted felons.

    OT: WaPo, 08/14/20 – What we know about the killing of 5-year-old Cannon Hinnant

    Authorities in North Carolina have charged a man with first-degree murder in the Sunday shooting of Cannon Hinnant, a 5-year-old boy who was days shy of starting kindergarten.

    Darrius Sessoms, a next-door neighbor of the boy’s father, is being jailed without bond following his arrest on Monday. The child’s killing, which unfolded a day earlier outside the house he shared with his dad in Wilson, N.C…

    He served two short stints in prison in 2017, the Raleigh News & Observer reported. One was for felony drug possession, while another was for felony firearm and drug charges.

    On three occasions, police charged Sessoms with maintaining a house for drug activity, according to the newspaper. In one case, he was convicted. Another was dismissed; a third charge was pending

    E. Rekshun

    August 15, 2020 at 3:09 PM

    • The worst part of being poor is that you have to live next to other poor people.

      If only we could create special communities for people with high IQ and clean criminal backgrounds but who don’t have much money.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 15, 2020 at 4:27 PM

      • Why? American elites who care more about money hate the idea of too many smart people who aren’t into frivolous consumption.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 15, 2020 at 4:38 PM

      • Here is a recent NYT article telling us where NYC folks should flee within the metro area in our pandemic era. Of course, it’s all the nice towns in the Hudson Valley, LI and NJ for the SWPL types which are not affordable for the average individual. It’s your typical liberal speak that moves from one topic to another topic without any real insight.

        Suburbia sucks in my opinion. There is a huge reliance on the car and the suburbs host people who are slightly overweight to say the least. Even a very wealthy suburb like Scarsdale, the larger BMI of its residents comparing to the city indicates to us that the average suburban resident isn’t as physically fit. Prole suburbia is of course much worse!

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 15, 2020 at 6:04 PM

      • The Jewish orthodox community is like that, also some immigrant communities.

        Hashed

        August 15, 2020 at 6:10 PM

      • You’d be okay with living next to hippies?

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        August 15, 2020 at 6:55 PM

      • ‘If only we could create special communities for people with high IQ and clean criminal backgrounds but who don’t have much money.”

        I think one could do this under the cover of a religion.

        WRB

        August 15, 2020 at 11:37 PM

      • Excellent idea!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 17, 2020 at 3:40 PM

      • There’s the problem right there. By US law, you can’t discriminate based on race. But “proxy”-discrimination — i.e. by factors that directly correlate with race — is becoming (if not already) a thing. Here, https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/state-insurance-regulators-tangle-again-over-proxy-discrimination#

        In other words, if Google AI says that Blacks look like gorillas or, to use your approach, selecting people based on IQ and non-violence results in Blacks getting excluded… well, then it’s racist discrimination.

        Honestly, I’d like to see if anyone has actually attempted this. I mean, a housing project based on IQ and absence of felony convictions — that’s a decent idea, prima facie.

        Eli

        August 16, 2020 at 12:10 AM

      • What we need are people with self-restraint and good morals. A high IQ helps with this but is not a prerequisite for it. Getting poor (or poorer) people to behave is not as difficult as we think. American just no longer wants to be that kind of country.

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        August 16, 2020 at 4:31 AM

      • Must be a low IQer: A 32 year old man dies by sneaking into and getting stuck inside a pipe that serves as a support structure for aquatic slide in an Arizona theme park. Cringey Prole!

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-32-dies-after-getting-trapped-inside-pipe-at-arizona-aquatic-center/ar-BB184uXi?li=BBorjTa

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 17, 2020 at 8:57 PM

      • Speaking of walkable communities, Ithaca, NY, where Cornell University is located, has a walkable score of 71. NYC is 88.

        https://www.walkscore.com/NY/Ithaca

        I don’t know what is being measured here, but Ithaca is the only place outside of the city within NYS that is the most walkable. The Hudson Valley towns and “cities” score lower and the major Upstate Urban areas like Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester score lower as well. Not surprising, given that Ithaca is an expensive place to live for a small town.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        August 18, 2020 at 12:18 PM

  12. Gun sales are up in the Western Hudson Valley: http://www.pikecountycourier.com/home/people-of-all-walks-invest-in-the-great-equalizer-NC1242681

    A NAM nurse who lives in Newburgh, NY buys a pistol to protect herself from other NAMs during the pandemic.

    All the good reasons to get a good job so one can live east of the Hudson (so one could only worry about a sporadic incident coming from an incel and not the usual NAM).

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 15, 2020 at 3:09 PM

  13. nokjik

    August 15, 2020 at 6:51 PM

    • I know about that op-ed, he has a legit right to his opinion, and it’s not that I disagree with his view that that’s how it OUGHT to be, I guarantee that the S.Ct will rule that Harris is allowed to be VP.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 17, 2020 at 3:39 PM

  14. How does Lion feel about a future indian president of the United States?!!!!!!!!!!

    uman

    August 15, 2020 at 8:28 PM

    • Lots of posts about BO.

      Sacred Cow

      August 17, 2020 at 8:59 PM

  15. The democratic brats will be disappointed yet again. I see a Trump/Pence 2.0 on the horizon after the poor outcome of the stimulus package that promises more unemployment benefits and stimulus checks held up by Pelosi, Schumer & Co. Choppy Joe Biden sucks as a rhetorician. Not that Trump is any better, but at least he’s tries to be a comedian and a die hard optimist.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    August 17, 2020 at 4:03 PM

  16. What a load of BS from you Lion. Vice presidents are extremely important and can either make or break a ticket. As a Game of Thrones fan you also know that the hand of the king role which serves as a second in command is extremely important. I recall you castigating Sarah Palin relentlessly back in the day and rightfully so but because you want Biden to win now you’re silent despite the fact Harris adds nothing to Biden instead she’s a major subtraction for him. All presidential tickets with a women on them but especially women vice presidents have failed.

    Presidents and vice presidents typically represent competing interests of the US oligarchy. Lots of vice presidents have been important in US history despite claims to the contrary. VPs typically oversee the federal government, represent the president during his absence, manage relations with capital hill, and stand in place for the president undertaking important missions on his behalf. After Lincoln’s assassination a confederate sympathizing VP became president who basically ended the northern war of aggression by pulling the plug on reconstruction. In more recent times George HW Bush was probably the most powerful vice president in modern history after Reagan was nearly killed reducing him to a figurehead. Twelve years in power enabled Bush to stack the executive branch with his appointees plus he remade the judiciary so when Bush vs Gore went to the supreme court all of Dubya’s worries went away because his daddy oversaw nearly everyone appointed on the supreme court.

    Mike Pence as VP has proven he’s a loyal soldier hell he’s a loyal soldier’s loyal soldier winning the crucial second debate after Trump botched the first one back in 2016 enabling Trump to dominate the rest. Pence boosted Trump’s GOP establishment credibility and has served him faithfully. Had Trump relied on Mike Pence more in his early years like he does now with Pence heading up his China virus task force he would have been FAR better off. Pence has presidential ambitions of his own and the best chance for Trump’s work to continue is for his reelection but following that at least four more years of Pence. Pence is a standard Republican but his legacy is tied to Trump’s so securing that work for posterity is our best bet.

    eradican

    August 18, 2020 at 8:11 AM

    • I’ve previously stated that Andrew Cuomo would be the best pick, and that a white woman from the midwest would be the best pick if he had to pick a woman. Not my fault that Biden didn’t listen to me.

      Doesn’t change the fact that VP is 100% about perception and VP’s have no actual power once in office, unless the President dies.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 19, 2020 at 11:46 AM

  17. I suggest you watch the movie Vice starring Christian Bale. Cheney redefined the role of vice president in a way most people can understand. Dubya was the worst president in US history but his veep was crucial in many ways as well.

    eradican

    August 18, 2020 at 8:16 AM


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