Lion of the Blogosphere

OK, so I was wrong, Biden didn’t win, except that he did win the long game

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I think that most of Trump’s prole super-supporters (the kind who go to his rallies) who watched the debate are thinking that Trump won because he talked louder than everyone else in the room and proved that he has more energy than “sleepy” Joe Biden.

But maybe some of the college-educated voters, who voted for Trump because they traditionally vote Republican, watched this and decided that they can’t take another four years of a clown in the White House.

I’m in the “get the clown out of the White House” crowd, even though there’s little there that would specifically want to make me vote for Biden other than that he’s not a clown. I’m specifically annoyed that Biden refused to answer the question about packing the Supreme Court, which I think was one of the most important questions in the debate and was an opportunity for Biden to indicate that his presidency would be a return to normalcy.

Everyone in the MSM and Biden too think that the worst thing they can say about Trump is that he’s a “racist.” It’s like a kid in kindergarten thinking he really tore down another kid because he said that the other kid has “cooties.” Nevertheless, Trump could have answered that a lot better. I don’t think that “stand by” was meant for the Proud Boys, but merely that he meant to say some other more important stuff about Antifa first and then get back to condemning people, but he lost this train of thought because Trump is as bad as Biden when it comes to speaking coherently for more than a minute at a time.

One thing that Biden did well is say very firmly that he’s the Democratic Party now and not radical leftists. And he did come out firmly for NOT defunding the police.

Also, Biden didn’t debate poorly enough for anyone to be able to prove that he’s senile. In fact, that he was able to remember some obviously canned responses proves that he’s not senile, because Alzheimer’s disease is specifically the loss of short-term memory.

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Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 30, 2020 at 7:32 AM

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  1. Trump lost this debate big time. I was horrified. Actually, my own mother called me to vent about how horrible he was doing. That says a great deal — she is elderly and those are the people Trump needs. Also, one of my prole friends in FL called me completely depressed at how badly Trump had done (“He’s lost a LOT of people tonight”).

    Only weird thing was the Telemundo poll showing Trump trouncing Biden by a margin of nearly 70%(!!!). It goes to show that Latin America loves loud strongmen rulers.

    SWPL2

    September 30, 2020 at 9:09 AM

    • I saw the last 20 minutes or so and that caught my attention, too. Tens of thousands of marxists are rioting, looting and burning down liberal cities. And Chris Wallace was asking Trump to denounce “white supremacists and militias”??? So I looked up his bio and it suddenly made sense.

      destructure

      September 30, 2020 at 6:38 PM

      • Tens of thousands of marxists are rioting, looting and burning down liberal cities

        Except that this is not hapening, and makes conservatives look like idiots when they keep repeating it. Maybe this nonsense works with hicks in Montana who have never been to a city? Even in Portland, the worst of them, the nonsense is contained in a small area and doesn’t affect most peoples lives.

        Peter Akuleyev

        October 1, 2020 at 12:55 AM

      • Of course it’s happening. Only an idiot would deny it. And only an idiot would try to blame it on “white supremacists and militias”.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_States

        On June 6, an estimated half a million people joined protests in 550 places across the country.[1]

        Polls estimate between 15 million and 26 million people participated in the United States, making these protests potentially the largest movement in terms of participation in U.S. history.[1]

        The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states[4]

        Many protests were accompanied by violence with some large cities seeing large scale rioting, looting, and burning of businesses and police cars.[11][12][13]
        **
        This is a brief summary of the damage to just one city over 3 days in July.

        https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests-riots/569930671/

        “rioters tore through dense stretches of Minneapolis, St. Paul and other metro communities in retaliation, causing millions in property damage to more than 1,500 locations.”

        “Buildings along a 5-mile stretch of Lake Street in Minneapolis and a 3.5-mile stretch of University Avenue in St. Paul’s Midway area experienced some of the heaviest damage.”

        “In their wake, vandals left a trail of smashed doors and windows, covered hundreds of boarded-up businesses with graffiti and set fire to nearly 150 buildings, with dozens burned to the ground.”
        **
        https://fee.org/articles/george-floyd-riots-caused-record-setting-2-billion-in-damage-new-report-says-here-s-why-the-true-cost-is-even-higher/

        “Riots Caused Record-Setting $2 Billion in Damage, New Report Says.”

        destructure

        October 1, 2020 at 12:21 PM

      • $2 billion of damage across the entire United States is practically nothing. This country can easily afford a few billion dollars of losses every year because of riots and not even notice it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 1, 2020 at 12:39 PM

      • “$2 billion of damage across the entire United States is practically nothing.”

        $2 billion of damage spread across the entire United States may not seem much. But the damage wasn’t spread evenly across the entire United States. It was concentrated in a handful of leftwing cities.

        Do you think that damage was being done by “white supremacists and militias”???

        destructure

        October 1, 2020 at 1:58 PM

      • No, but it’s still not very significant.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 2, 2020 at 8:42 AM

    • What are you talking about? Trump destroyed Biden. Wiped the floor with him.

      This “debate” is not the Joe Biden Podcast, where he can stand around and lie about Trump and repeat his campaign talking points, with his radio-gear and pre-debate questionnaire handed to him. Trump attacks to put him off balance and force him off his script. It’s why Biden can’t functionally express any of his positions.

      Doe these old people watching understand what kind of enemy Biden is? You don’t notice the heavily dilated eyes? The man is completely drugged up just to stand.

      map

      October 1, 2020 at 2:59 AM

  2. It was amazing to me that Chris Wallace choose to use as one of his debate questions a call for Trump to disavow “white supremacy.” As if that is even an issue, unless you’re a critical race theorist. It was absurd. Meanwhile, the group that has been wreaking violence across the country the last few months, antifa, was dismissed by Biden as a myth and Wallace of course didn’t even challenge him on that.

    Mike Street Station

    September 30, 2020 at 9:14 AM

    • I am amazed that you are surprised by this. Wallace knew that this was Trump’s achilles heel and it is exactly why he asked it. Lumping in patriot and militia groups like the Proud Boys, who are not even white supremacist groups, was a loaded question meant to put Trump on the defensive and get a gotcha soundbyte. Black and brown people can now riot with impunity. However, if you are a white man defending your own life and property against said riots you are now considered a “white supremacist” by the woke left and their media allies.

      B.T.D.T.

      September 30, 2020 at 3:58 PM

      • Yeah I admit I was caught by surprise, and apparently so was Trump. Biden isn’t the threat in these debates, it’s the moderators. That was the one hit that landed and got repeated over and over today was the one by Chris Wallace, as if White Supremacists were the ones who were running around burning cities for the past 3 months.  That so came out of the blue that no wonder Trump was caught off guard.  So score one for Chris Wallace.  He managed to get Trump almost to admit that violence was the fault of white supremacists and that the Proud Boys was Trump’s brownshirt street gang.

        The lesson? For a Republican, every debate and interview will include a call to denounce White Supremacy. But the trick is that Wallace coached his request in such a way that he wanted Trump to denounce the White Supremacists who’ve been rioting and committing arson since George Floyd.

        Clever Wallace…

        Mike Street Station

        September 30, 2020 at 7:53 PM

      • Quite a number of corporate businesses were destroyed by the NAM rioters. There is no ill-will towards them, sort of like Walmart paying pittance wages to its seasonal NAM workers and then have them draw welfare when they are not needed. They’ll find a way to have the average taxpayer foot the bill.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 30, 2020 at 10:56 PM

      • That’s no surprise.

        And Trump handled it beautifully.

        Trump: Sure Chris, whaddaya want me to say?

        Biden: Proud Boys.

        Trump: Ok, Proud Boys, stand down and stand by.

        map

        October 1, 2020 at 3:00 AM

  3. If the Biden camp does not get some rule changes, the second debate is going to be a disaster. The moderate will be Steve Scully, C-SPAN, who works in a world of civility and long standing norms. Either the Biden camaign forces rule changes to get President Trump under control or the second debate will be worse than the first debate.

    in Frank Luntz's focus group, Ruthie from PA (upper right corner) said she was undecided coming into tonight….. but now likes Biden b/c Trump was behaving like a "crackhead" and made the debate impossible to watch pic.twitter.com/NjgvWvnTM9— Tim Alberta (@TimAlberta) September 30, 2020

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    superdestroyer

    September 30, 2020 at 9:28 AM

    • They should do a virtual debate when the moderator can mute everyone except whoever’s turn to speak it is.

      Jokah Macpherson

      September 30, 2020 at 12:02 PM

      • That has been proposed. Given that the moderator for the second debate is from C-SPAN, I expect it to be more out of control. The only difference will be the townhall style. Will Trump talk over the citizen questionaires and will Trump try to bully someone in the audience.

        superdestroyer

        September 30, 2020 at 12:29 PM

      • They don’t need a virtual debate for that. Just put their mics on a timer. And the person who’s turn it is gets “X” minutes of mic time before their mic cuts off.

        destructure

        September 30, 2020 at 6:41 PM

      • Fuck that. Let them interrupt and yell at each other. This is a presidential debate, not an event at the local middle school.

        You guys are like women.

        Lowe

        October 1, 2020 at 12:11 PM

    • “Ruthie” huh?

      Ruthie the ringer?

      map

      October 1, 2020 at 2:55 AM

  4. I’ll probably wind up voting for Trump again but I think your commentary on him these past few months is completely valid. The excitement from 2016 is definitely gone. It’s like you said, what we really need is someone with the gravitas, competence and values of Mitt Romney but the invulnerability to social pressure and working class appeal of Trump, but those traits almost never go together.

    Jokah Macpherson

    September 30, 2020 at 9:55 AM

    • On general curiosity , Why would one vote for Trump knowing that the next four years will be more chaotic than the last four years. Also, would you vote form Trump is it lead to the Democrats winning more seats in the House and Senate in 2022 because so many voters will reject the incumbent party as seems to happen in the off year cycle elections during a second administration (Reagan, Clinton, GW Bush, and Obama).

      superdestroyer

      September 30, 2020 at 12:32 PM

      • >>>Why would one vote for Trump knowing that the next four years

        You talk about chaos, nothing is more chaotic for the USA and for the world than war. Trump has started no new wars (not a small feat for an American president) and he has ratcheted down our involvement in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq. A Democrat administration will bring war. Trump has been doing a damn good job. Forget about the wall, I am looking forward for Trump to go after the Deep State over the next four years, and of course, no more war.

        Daniel H

        September 30, 2020 at 4:55 PM

      • More people died from Covid-19 than American soldiers died in the Korean War, Vietnam War, and all other post-WWII wars combined.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 30, 2020 at 6:32 PM

      • “More people died from Covid-19 than American soldiers died in the Korean War, Vietnam War, and all other post-WWII wars combined.”

        I didn’t know any of them.

        Half a million people die from tobacco related diseases every single year and no one cares. But a few people die from the flu and everyone loses their minds.

        destructure

        September 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM

      • I don’t know anyone who died in any wars as a soldier, but I do know someone who died form Covid-19 (and I also know someone who died on 9/11).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 30, 2020 at 11:17 PM

      • “More people died from Covid-19 than American soldiers died in the Korean War, Vietnam War, and all other post-WWII wars combined.”
        Soldiers that die in wars are mostly young people in their prime with all their life ahead of them , some didn’t fathered children .
        On the other hand most people that die from the virus are old or very old .

        eyaldavid

        October 1, 2020 at 12:39 AM

      • “ More people died from Covid-19 than American soldiers died in the Korean War, Vietnam War, and all other post-WWII wars combined.”

        Do the math in terms of remaining life expectancy and get back to us.

        Curle

        October 1, 2020 at 12:49 AM

      • Biden will pack the court and add two additional far-left states and you will have nothing but one-party rule forever. Democrats won’t even need to listen to the electorate anymore, with mail-in voting and ballot harvesting.

        You’ll have permanent rolling blackouts, permanent rolling lockdowns, Antifa replacing law enforcement, and you will be a fourth-class citizen with no rights and no representation forever.

        Have you not seen the way Washington functions when they tried to go after Trump? The way Judge Sullivan ran his court?

        That is all a test run for how they plan to treat you if they take back power.

        I want nothing more than to have Joe Biden and the moderator both arrested in the middle of the debate.

        map

        October 1, 2020 at 3:06 AM

      • The Covid hysteria exists nowhere but in the media.

        map

        October 1, 2020 at 3:08 AM

    • I voted for Hillary in 2016 but will vote Trump in 2020. I mean I don’t mind Biden either but think Trump will do better for the market next 4 years.

      mpt

      September 30, 2020 at 12:35 PM

      • So you are willing to tolerate four years of chaos and incompetence in the hopes that the stock market goes up broadly?

        superdestroyer

        September 30, 2020 at 1:44 PM

      • Yes why not? USA is the best economic opportunity zone out there in the world and Trump has delivered quite well on economy.

        mpt

        September 30, 2020 at 8:41 PM

  5. Trump won hands down. He landed a lot more punches and defended his positions well. The critique of him being overly aggressive does nothing to change his level of support. He had to be aggressive because he wasn’t debating one man last night. He was debating two. Trump is well aware that when besieged you must stand and fight. This is the only way he managed to get elected in the first place and survive the relentless onslaught of the D. C. ruling elites and their media allies. Telemundo poll last night said 66% of latinos thought Trump won the debate. Like the proles, they love his caudillo “strong man” style. He should wear mirrored shades and epauletes to the next debate.

    B.T.D.T.

    September 30, 2020 at 10:35 AM

    • I think more lations will vote for Trump as well as middle eastern, they were afraid that Trump will send their family members back but that not happening and in all other issues they are much more aligned with Trump than with Biden. They also hate blacks and the whole BLM thing, they just want to work. Trump might be “chaotic” but in terms of economy and foreign policy he got results and that helped latinos in the US and middle eastern who are very happy with the relative peace comparing to Obama’s days. Especially ex Iranians, christians and Sunni who are happy with his firm stance against Iran.

      On the other hand less whites will vote for Trump like Lion himself, the question is in what states those changes will happen and how they will affect the results. Some Latino voting pro Trump in a southern state or Lion voting against Trump in NY will not going to change anything. On the other hand Florida and the rust belt will be interesting.

      Hashed

      September 30, 2020 at 5:52 PM

      • No, Trump will increase the White vote

        map

        October 1, 2020 at 3:09 AM

    • That’s a great idea! All epaulets all the time. Plus busty chicks on both arms, maybe wearing t-shirts reading “Harvard Sucks.”

      Val

      October 1, 2020 at 1:30 AM

  6. I seem to know a lot of Trump “super aupporter” types. Even if I am their fellow Trump voter they are annoying to me because you can’t have a rational discussion with them. They are basically Trump cheerleaders who like everything he says and does. They think he will win in a landslide. I know one who is so delusional he tbinks Trump will win all 50 states.

    Jay Fink

    September 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM

  7. “Also, Biden didn’t debate poorly enough for anyone to be able to prove that he’s senile. In fact, that he was able to remember some obviously canned responses proves that he’s not senile,”

    Canned responses to questions that his campaign was somehow able to obtain beforehand?

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    September 30, 2020 at 10:45 AM

    • Canned resonse to questions that are the most likely questions. Rarely in debates are there gotcha questions that neither candidate has anticipated. Or are people going to claim that a host on Fox News is really a closet liberal who wants Biden to win?

      superdestroyer

      September 30, 2020 at 12:33 PM

      • The number of non-liberals who are sick and tired of Trump’s clown-behavior is increasing.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 30, 2020 at 12:59 PM

      • LOTB,

        What is amazing is the number of closet sociopaths who are excited by the Trump act. Will the bullying, rudeness, and contempt for rules become more widespread since the U.S. has a narcissistic sociopath as the president.

        superdestroyer

        September 30, 2020 at 1:46 PM

      • On the ground, many proles are still displaying their signs signifying Trumplandia.

        No Trumpster cares if Tucker Carlson is sick of the president.

        What matters more are the guidos in Staten Island and the loony fringe in places like Westchester County displaying their Trump signs on their lawns.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 30, 2020 at 2:57 PM

      • Westchester County voted for Hillary Clinton 65% to 32% in 2016. In politics that is called a rout. That means that no one spend any resources campagin there.

        superdestroyer

        September 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM

      • >> The number of non-liberals who are sick and tired of Trump’s clown-behavior is increasing.

        They are called Cucks.

        Daniel H

        September 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM

      • Anyone who puts up a signage or banner that reads “Westchester for Trump” something to this effect is a loony. It’s as bad as a White person protesting in front of Harvard that White Elites are being sidelined at the school.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        September 30, 2020 at 8:56 PM

  8. I agree with the last paragraph and suspect Biden “won” in the sense that he didn’t come across as senile. I was surprised after the debate that the CNN and MSNBC hosts appeared to think it had gone badly for Biden, so maybe my perception is off. The CNN people in particular seemed “outraged” by the whole event, and spent a lot of time refuting things Trump said, though a lot of the complaints I heard were nit-picking about the kind of general exaggeration Trump always engages in. No, all of those discarded ballots in PA weren’t Trump votes, but enough were to support his concern that mailed ballot handling will have a disproportionately negative effect on his campaign, even if his numbers are off.

    The most interesting take I heard was from Dan Bongino on FNC, who believes Trump’s strategy was not to gain new voters for himself, but to force Biden to endorse positions that would anger the left wing of his base. In that respect, he was successful.

    Wallace was a disaster. Openly commiserating with one of the debaters over the behavior of the other is inexcusable, as was his failure to press Biden on stuff like whether he’d pack the court

    TWBC

    September 30, 2020 at 11:48 AM

    • “Wallace was a disaster. “

      Wallace is a registered Democrat. Nuff said.

      destructure

      September 30, 2020 at 5:03 PM

      • destructure never explains how he makes his money.

        never.

        i bet he makes it in a super productive libertarian way.

        that explains why he doesn’t even know if his employess have quit and found other jobs and why he never says what he does.

        what a loser.

        Gay-m of Thrones.

        September 30, 2020 at 11:07 PM

    • Also lack of preparation, regarding green new deal which Biden clearly supported before also on his website and blatantly lied in the debate. Wallace should have known the candidates positions about those key issues and press them when they contradict themselves but he didn’t do it.

      Hashed

      September 30, 2020 at 5:56 PM

  9. One annoying tick of Wallace: He kept referring to Biden as “Mr. Vice President” and Trump as “sir”.

    SWPL2

    September 30, 2020 at 12:23 PM

    • And Biden is dumb according to Trump, whose supporters aren’t really different. The world is laughing at Meriprolestan.

      Some gov’ts are authoritarian, while some are socialist and some others just provide a form of comedic relief.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      September 30, 2020 at 8:48 PM

    • That’s because he cannot bring himself to accept Trump as the President of the US. This is disrespect that Trump shouldn’t have tolerated. Anyway, only a fascist dictatorship can save this poor country. A subversive like Wallace belongs in prison.

      Yakov

      October 1, 2020 at 12:23 AM

    • @SWPL2

      It’s not a ‘tic’, it’s deliberate. Trump should have mentioned that when talking about Democrats never having accepted his election.

      Yakov

      October 1, 2020 at 6:58 AM

  10. Lion. I did not know before debate that an Obamacare case is coming up and there is a possibility it could be overturned. Is that true? That’s fantastic. I wish senate can jam Barrett through. I’m Democrat but want Obamacare overturned (and green deal scrapped).

    mpt

    September 30, 2020 at 12:24 PM

    • https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/10/politics/john-roberts-affordable-care-act-5th-circuit/index.html

      It looks like it. Apparently, the basis for Roberts upholding marxist medicine no longer exists. So it would probably be overturned regardless. Unfortunately, I suspect Biden will win and that the Dems will pick up enough senate seats to ram another version of commie-care through.

      destructure

      September 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM

      • Biggest win this election cycle for Republicans and moderate Democrats like me, was the sound beat down of commie Bernie. Medicare for all is gone and hopefully off the agenda for next couple of decades.
        Something might pass with Biden, but will not be M4A.

        mpt

        September 30, 2020 at 8:48 PM

  11. Biden isn’t the most dignified pol around either. In his own way, Biden is just as buffoonish as Trump. In electing Biden, the American people would just be replacing Bozo with Emmett Kelly.

    Oswald Spengler

    September 30, 2020 at 12:57 PM

    • More breads n circus please. This the mantra of most smart politicians who govern a restless populace from turning restive. Hand out free money and games to the proletariate and the rest is history.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      September 30, 2020 at 2:50 PM

  12. I attended two Trump rallies the last time around in Atlanta. The crowd was definitely not prole. Lots of preppies present in fact.

    as

    September 30, 2020 at 1:04 PM

    • Atlanta in itself is a city in the south which reeks proledom.

      Proles are generally regarded as intellectually inferior.

      Biden is the wrong guy for the Democratic ticket to presidency, because he isn’t one of those gifted for gab, intellectual-oriented elitists, Ivy League, left wing snobs who know what is right for Meriprolestan.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      September 30, 2020 at 3:51 PM

  13. My reaction:

    1. I felt like Trump did a pretty good job early on at deflecting blame over Covid stuff, although in reality I feel like the US has done rather badly (and democratic administration would have been slightly better).

    2. Trump’s insults seemed to be a bit extreme but I also found rather entertaining.

    3. I muted the part on race because I figured that it would be inane nonsense (since there’s no chance of any serious discussion of HBD / nature vs. nurture, or anything actually relevant).

    4. At the end I listened to Trump’s thing about the election being insecure. While I understand that the republicans don’t want to have mail-in ballots (I’m actually not sure I understand why republicans lose more with mail-in ballots, but it seems like they must have done the math), Trump sounded pretty insane here, so I think that’s not good.

    alex2

    September 30, 2020 at 2:48 PM

    • Anecdote: I, personally, was sent a mail-in ballot to an address in another state where I haven’t lived in ten years. The people who live there sent me a photo of it and asked if I wanted it. I know at least half a dozen people who have received improper mail-in ballots. Our election system is an absolute joke.

      Sox

      September 30, 2020 at 6:06 PM

    • “While I understand that the republicans don’t want to have mail-in ballots (I’m actually not sure I understand why republicans lose more with mail-in ballots.”

      Absentee ballots have to be requested, so the person requesting them expects to receive one. Mail in ballots that are sent to all voters can end up being sent to old addresses or people who’ve died. This is a grab bag of free ballots for Democrats to ballot harvest. That’s why the longer late arriving mail in ballots take to be counted, the more likely the Democrat wins.

      Mike Street Station

      September 30, 2020 at 8:05 PM

      • What happened States’ Rights? Including the right to run their elections as they see fit?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 30, 2020 at 11:18 PM

      • Yes, each state should manufacture its own ballots and send them in.

        map

        October 1, 2020 at 3:18 AM

      • Lion, state rights, like all other ‘rights’, are meant to benefit the nation, not to serve as a vehicle to its destruction.

        Yakov

        October 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM

    • Mail-in ballots change several hands before they end up in the polls. Showing up at a polling center means they change only once.

      If Democrats are so obsessed with mail-in ballots, then it is vector for cheating.

      I’m surprised Biden didn’t simply say “vote-early, vote often.”

      map

      October 1, 2020 at 3:21 AM

  14. The debate sucked for those who wanted intense partisanship and stinging precision of attack and rebuke from the respective candidates, and you can blame it on Chris Wallace who moderated it. Chris Wallace is no libertarian, but he sees politics in the lens of political pragmatism, and not as sports teams with underlying fans and whether you should join a particular team that has NAM or prole followers. Wallace has voted for candidates of either party in the past and identifies with both, because he’s votes for whoever has the best shtick, essentially a pragmatist when it comes to politics.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservatives-rip-chris-wallace-s-debate-performance-this-is-a-get-trump-fest/ar-BB19zSmo?li=BBorjTa

    Such behavior clouds his role in the moderation where he could turn Biden into a Trump or vice versa.

    Here are a few tibdits proving that Chris Wallace is neither a Fox News moderator or a CNN/NBC left leaning type.

    “Conservative filmmaker and author Dinesh D’Souza ripped Wallace over his interventions, arguing it wasn’t his job to “start throwing punches at one of the two combatants.”

    “After the debate, the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., told Fox News’s Sean Hannity that Wallace was “no conservative.”

    “Soledad O’Brien, a former MSNBC host, called the debate a “fricken mess”

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    September 30, 2020 at 4:48 PM

  15. “Wallace was a disaster. “

    Wallace is a registered Democrat. Nuff said.

    destructure

    September 30, 2020 at 5:03 PM

  16. Trump is definitely not in the proletariat. That said he has a no nonsense down to earth style that ordinary folks find appealing. Biden is a smug ass. His fake plastic smile must be genetic from his Daddy the used car salesman. Biden just was coached with the questions beforehand. You could see him squirming as the amphetamines in his system got him wrangled to mouth his meaningless platitudes.
    Trump looked tough. Hispanics like that. Biden looked weak and stuttered and stammered a lot. He’s definitely got dementia. He wasn’t able to get deep into details. He just mouthed platitudes he was coached in beforehand. His campaign got the questions before the debate to help that goof Biden.
    The second debate should be interesting. Biden cannot up his game. Trump may just surprise all of you. Without someone playing heavy for the Democrat like Wallace, Trump will act more natural and not be as defensive I’d expect.

    Joshua Sinistar (@Joshua06716)

    September 30, 2020 at 5:11 PM

    • Trump is not merely an entertainer. Trump is right on all of the issues.

      map

      October 1, 2020 at 3:24 AM

  17. One thing that Biden did well is say very firmly that he’s the Democratic Party now and not radical leftists.

    Which will be as “firmly” as reliable as his support for the Green New Deal, his mid-debate flip flop against the Green New Deal, and then his being for it again later in the same debate.

    Also, Biden didn’t debate poorly enough for anyone to be able to prove that he’s senile.

    Compare tonight’s debate with his VP debate with Paul Ryan in 2012.

    His cognitive decline in 2020 is obvious when you watch how Biden was on the ball in 2012’s debate.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    September 30, 2020 at 10:03 PM

    • Yes, and the 2 million jobs the GND will create, jobs “weatherizing” buildings and homes, whatever that is.

      map

      October 1, 2020 at 3:26 AM

  18. ““I was raised in the suburbs. Trump wouldn’t know a suburb unless he took a wrong turn.”

    The closest thing to a really good zinger coming from Biden, but it got drowned out”

    Except that this ‘zinger’ is phrased very poorly, which would be fine if it was off the cuff, but I assume this was prepared.

    Saying ‘Trump wouldn’t GO in a suburb unless he took a wrong turn makes sense. But to say he wouldn’t KNOW a suburb unless he ‘took a wrong turn’ (ie goes into the suburbs by mistake) sounds odd. I suppose you could argue it means that he learns what a suburb is by going into one by mistake, but in that case you wouldn’t really talk about ‘knowing’ a suburb when you actually meant ‘discovering/learning about’ suburbs.

    prolier than thou

    October 1, 2020 at 7:57 AM

    • holy sh1t no one cares bc no one is this pedantic

      james n.s.w

      October 1, 2020 at 9:10 PM


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