Lion of the Blogosphere

The coming collapse of New York City

It has been a month since I last wrote a post about this topic. Since then, I have become even more pessimistic about the future.

To remind you of the basic thesis, although they say that New York City has many industries like finance and banking, business services, media and publishing, etc., in fact this can be generalized to say that New York City has only one industry: people working in office buildings. If that industry leaves New York City because everyone who used to work in office buildings is working from home, then I can’t see any other future for New York City besides a total collapse, maybe even worse than the collapse of Detroit because, as the proverb goes, the bigger they are the harder they fall.

New York City is a special case, because it has more density and is more dependent on public transportation than any other city in the United States, plus it’s also the most expensive city in the United States. The pandemic won’t cause mass migration out of Phoenix, Arizona (the 10th most-populated metropolitan area in the U.S.) which is more like a really big suburb than a city in the way that New York is a city. People have to live somewhere, so there’s no particular reason for people to move out of the Phoenix area even if they are working from home instead of working in the office.

New York City is like a Ponzi scheme that requires a constant influx of corporate jobs and gentrifiers and construction projects in order to balance its budget despite having the highest tax collection per capita of anywhere else in the United States. As businesses and rich people move out, budget cuts and reduction in services will make New York City an even a crappier place to live and more will move out. Garbage is already piling up, the presence and aggressiveness of homeless are increasing, shooting incidents have doubled since a year ago.

The big question is, when will people return to the office? Will they ever? The last report on this from the New York Times indicates that less than 10% of workers have returned to the office, primarily in real-estate and banks, two industries that are especially worried about a collapse in commercial real estate (with banks having lent lots of money to big construction projects) and are trying to set a “good example” for other industries. (With a “good example” actually being a bad example for public health.)

The reason I have become more pessimistic is because it now seems to me that the pandemic is not going to have a magical neat ending. I think people are imagining that everyone is given a vaccine and Covid-19 disappears never to return again. This is unlikely to be the case. Most worrying, to me, is that during the previous two weeks there has been a rise in cases in the Hasidic neighborhoods. The Hasidim have not been social distancing for months, so why are they suddenly getting sick again now? My answer is that immunity to Covid-19 begins to fade after five to six months.

My other thought is that there will probably be an outbreak of Covid-19 AFTER we start vaccinating people. I think it’s pretty predictable that, after receiving the vaccine, people will think they can go back to normal, take off their masks, go to crowded indoor places. But if the vaccine is only 75% effective, and only 75% of the people have been vaccinated, that’s a recipe for an outbreak. There are flu outbreaks every year despite vaccines and people having had the flu before.

I think that in order for the virus to go away, we need to force EVERYONE to get vaccinated, and I don’t think we have the political will to do that, just as we don’t have the political will to make everyone wear masks in places where they should be wearing them. Robert Redfield pissed off the virus-denier-in-chief when he said that masks may be more effective at stopping spread of the virus than a vaccine. But it’s probably true.

I don’t foresee the other 90% of New York City office workers going back to the office until Covid-19 is gone. Until then, people don’t want to take crowded trains and subways, ride crowded elevators, so they can stay cooped up indoors for 8+ hours where one infected person could infect dozens of their coworkers. Corporations don’t seem to be willing to make people do that given that remote work has been working well enough, and will probably get better as people learn how to adapt it.

If Covid-19 is not gone, even after a vaccine is widely available, I don’t see New York City ever recovering. Even if Covid-19 completely disappears next summer, New York City may not be able to survive because the work-from-home model has been proven to be successful and if 20% of office workers continue to work from home, that might be enough to continue the death spiral that leads to the collapse of New York City. But given my prediction that Covid-19 will NOT completely disappear within another year or two, the collapse of New York City is inevitable.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 4, 2020 at 12:49 PM

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  1. Damn son…

    uman

    October 4, 2020 at 1:51 PM

  2. Can’t speak for everyone but here is what’s happening in my company in CA. We have wfh till May 2021. Our company gave away 25% of employee desks and chairs in raffle. Since then, they emailed all employees saying they will reimburse 400$ for any desk/chair for home office purchase for this year. We even filled out a company wide survey on what our ideal allocation of a “post-covid perfect future” situation is (100% wfh or 50/50 or 90/10 or 10/90 or 100% office).
    So can’t speak for all companies but our company foresees big part of wfh culture continuing well beyond 2021. Productivity is through the roof. Naysayers think that employees are slacking but not true.

    mpt

    October 4, 2020 at 2:00 PM

  3. I think the other factor that could put NYC into a tailspin is the next mayor.

    I’ve lived in NYC for 20 years, before that I lived in another large city. I saw what city life was like in the 80s and 90s compared to how it’s been for the past 20 years.

    I would guess the majority of the tax base living in NYC today has no experience of what it’s like to live in an unsafe city. Many romanticize the gritty old NYC.

    But if we get another looney tunes mayor and crime continues to come back, there’s going to be a mass exodus of people out of the city. And it will be the people who can afford to move (ie those who pay the most taxes).

    Combined with any COVID implications, NYC would be a disaster.

    Jilla

    October 4, 2020 at 2:18 PM

    • If Biden wins, it will all be opened up by Inauguration Day. It’s not a hoax or conspiracy, but it is the result of having half the country in panic mode for the past four years. When Trump is on the way out, people will start to approach the problem in a more rational, reasoned manner. We will do our best to keep the vulnerable isolated, and get on with our lives.

      Steverino@steverino.com

      October 4, 2020 at 4:26 PM

      • That’s nonsense. Heading back to the office has caused outbreaks, even among young, non-vulnerable people. THAT’S why people aren’t heading back to the office, not because of anything to do with Trump. The virus is still a huge problem, electing Biden doesn’t change this.

        Brett

        October 4, 2020 at 7:38 PM

      • Most European countries will not let Americans travel to their country. As the joke goes, President Trump has made an American passport worthless. Do you really think that all of those countries will let their citizens travel to the U.S. just because Biden is election.

        Why are so many people refusing to acknowledge that Covid-19 is a world wide pandemic and does not have anything to do with partisan politics in the U.S. When the histories of Covid-19 are written the first lesson will be that any politician that makes pandemic response partisan will fail in the response. See the U.S See Brazil. See Italy.

        superdestroyer

        October 4, 2020 at 8:30 PM

      • Superdestroyer,

        “Why are so many people refusing to acknowledge that Covid-19 is a world wide pandemic and does not have anything to do with partisan politics in the U.S. When the histories of Covid-19 are written the first lesson will be that any politician that makes pandemic response partisan will fail in the response. See the U.S See Brazil. See Italy.”

        Because America is an Empire and the entire planet has a vested interest in who the American president is. There are trillions of dollars at stake and a complete re-ordering of the world happening all around you. China was willing to breach its own firewall to let citizens post grainy footage of people dropping dead in the streets and of bodies piling up in morgues. You think they didn’t do that for a reason? The WHO was recommending that world travel continues despite travel being the primary form of creating a pandemic. In fact, travel is the pan- in a pandemic. Italy’s socialists only recently sidelined Salvini and Bolsanaro’s opponents want him gone.

        IOW, nothing that is happening with COVID is just some unfortunate Act-of-God. Everything smells of deliberate engineering, from potentially the virus itself being built at different levels of attenuation to combine different levels of illness in some and death in others, to the hysterical media narrative dominating almost every airwave, to the deliberate destruction of the economy. This “act” is global so citing Italy or Brazil does not disprove anything.

        We even have medical doctors livid over Trump driving the Beast limo around with him and Secret Service agents. The beast is hermetically sealed against chemical attack!!! Well, if its hermetically sealed, then how do you prevent suffocation? The Beast isn’t designed to put a plastic bag over your head and zip-tie at the neck, medical idiot.

        This is where we are…so it is easy and reasonable to imagine that the official narrative is not true.

        map

        October 5, 2020 at 5:04 PM

      • MAP,

        If there is one lesson everyone involved in WMD learns is that infectious biological agents cannot be controlled. To believe that Covid-19 was engineered for political reasons verges on insanity. The problem with past potential epidemics is that they were easier to control such as MERS or Ebola. Ron Klain, who was Obama’s Ebola czar, still does not really understand Covid-19 and does not understand how keeing an epidemic occuring in AFrica out of Europe was so much easier than keeping an epidemic in China out of Europe.

        superdestroyer

        October 6, 2020 at 9:53 AM

      • SUPERDESTROYER,

        You wrote:

        “If there is one lesson everyone involved in WMD learns is that infectious biological agents cannot be controlled.”

        Why not? When they were doing gain-of-function research at the Wuhan BSL4 lab, why wouldn’t they work on biological weapons with exactly this kind of controllable feature?

        Again, what we were seeing in grainy cell-phone footage was Chinese people dropping unconscious in the streets and people in full hazmat gear dragging bodies out of apartment buildings.

        Yet, we did not see this dropping-like-flies-in-public footage anywhere in the US. It’s entirely possible that these biological agents are unable to reproduce their payloads over several generations of the virus. These viruses are too unnatural, probably bind to everything in the environment, and then slowly lose potency as their payloads and virulence cannot be reproduced across generations of the virus.

        By the time the virus reaches the US, you end up with the base coronavirus transport system which, while dangerous, is a lot less weaponized than the initial outbreak.

        Maybe someone should ask Dr. Fauci how far along nations are in this research. His NIH funded the Wuhan lab to the tune of $3.7 million and shared personnel.

        You wrote:

        “To believe that Covid-19 was engineered for political reasons verges on insanity. The problem with past potential epidemics is that they were easier to control such as MERS or Ebola.”

        Over a year ago I’ve heard Fauci say that there may be a pandemic on Trump’s watch. Was the COVID engineered specifically for Trump? Who knows? Maybe Wuhan was sabotaged and the results were simply not letting an opportunity go to waste. Look, however, at the follow-up. All the major authorities were demanding Trump not close air travel. Fauci was saying we don’t need masks. Cuomo was putting COVID patients in nursing homes. Do these not look like deliberate political acts to you? Why is it not so hard to imagine that these same people would release a virus on a population they obviously hate?

        You wrote:

        “Ron Klain, who was Obama’s Ebola czar, still does not really understand Covid-19 and does not understand how keeing an epidemic occuring in AFrica out of Europe was so much easier than keeping an epidemic in China out of Europe.”

        Is this the same Ron Klain who said that Biden’s handling of the swine flu was completely lucky, that they had no idea what they were doing, and it was complete luck that more people didn’t die? That Ron Klain?

        map

        October 7, 2020 at 12:27 AM

    • It’s a golden opportunity to test the claims of black supremacists that, if they only had their own polity with no discrimination from whites, they’d reach white/west-Euro levels of achievement. It’s in the interest of all of us to subsidize turning those unused corporate spaces into apartments for blacks from around the country. The savings on crime-fighting everywhere else might even finance it.

      Val

      October 4, 2020 at 5:51 PM

      • blacks are like urban critters from my previous comments. They need to be in proximity to a White urban center to survive.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 4, 2020 at 8:11 PM

      • And black supremacy is non-existent given that cities like Newburgh and Poughkeepsie in the Hudson Valley are very black-oriented as in dilapidated urban spaces. You’ll have more faith in Mestizo Hispanics who are slowly taking over these places from blacks as they colonize areas adjacent to Whites.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 9:20 AM

  4. “The Hasidim have not been social distancing for months, so why are they suddenly getting sick again now? My answer is that immunity to Covid-19 begins to fade after five to six months.”

    That’s possible but another factor is that it’s getting colder. When it’s colder, droplets travel farther and infect more people.

    WRB

    October 4, 2020 at 3:01 PM

  5. My ip adress location should be somewhere in the Hudson Valley with this comment.

    New York City residents will be commuting to the sticks for office work if this pandemic rages on. The sticks provide a way for urban strivers to socially distant and get away from their usual routine of being cooped in the city.

    Ok, what, who's this again in the Hudson Valley

    October 4, 2020 at 3:05 PM

  6. What’s the problem, Lion? When your man Biden wins, Puerto Rico becomes a State and then the empty buildings can be filled with vibrant, spicy Latins hanging out their washing in the street and performing the hits of West SIde Story. What a blast!

    prolier than thou

    October 4, 2020 at 3:14 PM

    • Puerto Ricans are already American citizens and can go anywhere in the U.S. they want.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 4, 2020 at 6:55 PM

      • Puerto Ricans and many other Caribbean Hispanics will be eclipsed by their Mestizo counterparts from countries what we normally think of Latin America and not a bunch of islands off the coast of Florida. The same way Hispanic immigration has eclipsed black people in the facet of American life “reserved” for NAMs.

        I think I’m right. Here is a cute Mestiza for you.

        https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/American-Restaurant/Santa-Fe-Burger-Bar-109873757152877/

        Not only do Mestizo Hispanics make good cooks, they are now opening up their own “American” restaurants. While they’re at it, they are also colonizing many areas of White suburbia and changing the demographics and landscape, while Caribbean Hispanics are like the blacks in the Spanish speaking world. Urban, yet inner city, and no longer relevant. Some Cubans and Puerto Ricans have assimilated into the White fold of things, but Mestizo Hispanics will set the new trend when it comes to anything Hispanic.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 4, 2020 at 10:26 PM

      • The Caravan Market is predicting a Biden victory. A trickle now, a torrent by January. I hope you will be happy with that Lion.

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-caravan-sets-off-honduras-guatamala-mexico-eyes-on-us-border-immigration/

        Daniel H

        October 5, 2020 at 12:07 AM

      • No, I wish Trump had been a better President. Right now, Covid-19 is a greater threat to the U.S. than a caravan of illegal immigrants. There are already 20 million of them in the country, another 100,000 won’t make much difference.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 5, 2020 at 9:21 AM

      • What is the difference between hispanics and mestizos?

        Brett

        October 5, 2020 at 3:34 AM

      • The business of putting blacks out of commission starts with increased Hispanic immigration so this caravan is part of the process. And also White proles who are deemed useless in the lower scale of things embarked by immigrants who cater to the parasitic upper classes.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 9:30 AM

      • “What is the difference between hispanics and mestizos”

        There is a big difference in culture and outward human behavior between those Hispanics who are of native admixture and those who come from the Caribbean Islands with black ancestry.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 9:34 AM

      • The US is getting the ugliest and least intelligent north and central American mestizos with much more native blood than the average in those countries. The more white like south Americans don’t immigrate to the US as much because many of them have a decent middle class life in their own countries, unless they want to escape places like Venezuela.

        If Americans had any resemblance of immigration policy they should have accept those previous middle class Venezuelans over the typical “hispanics” the US usually get. This way lefties would not be able to complain that there is any discrimination against latinos while bringing people who could easily integrate into main stream American white life.

        Hashed

        October 5, 2020 at 11:24 AM

      • White men living in the Americas should have not imported slaves from Africa in the 1st place. It would be the natives and the European settlers.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 4:26 PM

      • “The business of putting blacks out of commission starts with increased Hispanic immigration”

        I have no interest in “putting blacks out of commission”. Foreigners shouldn’t be taking American jobs regardless of who they are.

        destructure

        October 6, 2020 at 9:21 PM

    • Miami Herald – Trump promised to end it, but the visa lottery will still raffle off 50,000 green cards

      https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article219047675.html

      Despite President Donald Trump’s promises to eliminate the diversity visa lottery, thousands of people from around the world will still have the chance to legally immigrate to the United States and achieve the American Dream through the program.

      The U.S. State Department, which administers the Diversity Immigrant Visa program, better known as the visa lottery, announced Tuesday that it will go ahead with the lottery for 50,000 visas available for Fiscal Year 2020. The winners will be drawn from random selection.

      E. Rekshun

      October 5, 2020 at 11:39 AM

    • @Brett I think mostly of Mexicans when I hear the term Mestizo but I think it applies to most Latin American, non-Caribbean Hispanics. Their genetics are a mix of Spanish and Indian/Indigenous. I am pretty sure that Caribbean Hispanics have less Indian and more African in their blood that Mesitzos.

      Jay Fink

      October 5, 2020 at 3:42 PM

  7. What do you think is the future of Staten Island?

    Amused Observer

    October 4, 2020 at 3:52 PM

    • Secession as they always wanted it.

      If Trump recovers from covid and expects to win, Staten Islanders will get their death wish!

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      October 4, 2020 at 8:09 PM

    • I wish you hadn’t asked this question. Getting Lion started on the subject of Staten Island (he never tires of telling us why and how much he hates it) is almost as bad as getting him started on the subject of Indian B.O.!

      Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

      October 4, 2020 at 9:21 PM

      • Let’s think of some nice things about Staten Island. Patti Hansen, Keith Richard’s wife, was raised on Staten Island. She turned out more than alright, IMHO.

        https://hips.hearstapps.com/hbz.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/51/5496076c01b8b_-_de-hbz1211wph001.gif?fill=320:408&resize=768:*

        Daniel H

        October 5, 2020 at 12:17 AM

      • Staten Island whose origins was founded by Anglo speaking Northern Europeans only later to be settled by Italians from Brooklyn.

        It seems like we are talking about 2 different worlds here!

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 10:24 AM

      • Staten Island was first settled by the Dutch.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 5, 2020 at 4:12 PM

      • By the way, MaryK, I saw Mikey the Grim Reaper, the ex-guido congressman from Staten Island not too long ago loitering in a street corner in Midtown Manhattan, chatting up with an Asian woman (who looks like his ex-wife).

        It was almost surreal. He appeared thinner, maybe from the stress when he was rotting in jail.

        He wore the same trademark navy blue suit with a tie in a time when there is no calling for it. The white collar world has taken a pause from the pandemic.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 10:45 AM

      • After perusing a book about the history of the Hudson Valley, I did read about the first European to reach what is today Staten Island. Giovanni Verrazzano was this person of Northern Italian descent and his name was given to the bridge that shuffles his contemporary American counterparts of Southern Italian descent between Beltway Brooklyn and the island.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 4:39 PM

      • “Staten Island was first settled by the Dutch.”

        True. Bensonhurst was also a place the Dutch lived until it turned Italian. The poor Dutch! Losing two of their beloved areas to guidos!

        Maryk (the g-loaded guidette)

        October 7, 2020 at 11:01 PM

    • Lion needs to do a future post about how white ethnics will prosper or not-prosper in future diverstopia..

      This is my opinion, and only my opinion. But I think the white ethics (ie Italian, Irish, Polish, Czhech, Portuguese, am i missing any others, non-jewish Russian and eastern Euros)… wont benefit from the nice growth rate8s that we had post-world war (1940’s— mid-1970s) – this is when they became “White” and differentiated themselves from the blacks and other non-whites.

      Going forward they are in direct competition with high achieving American in the high and mid-end and hard working hispanic immigrants in the blue collar trades…

      So you will see a lot of downward mobility as blacks and hispanics, and asians to some degree, try to claw into govt jobs like being a cop, working for courthouse or fireman, etc…

      My point being, how will the people in staten island survive if those jobs are there for the kids of the successful white ethnics? Also, more BO stories please…

      uman

      October 5, 2020 at 4:45 PM

  8. Didn’t the residents of NYC elect an avowed communist for mayor? The governor of that state is not much better. I was so happy to see him beg like a bitch for all those nasty and evil ‘rich’ people that he and his party attacks to come back. I’m enjoying the shit show. Just hope none of those morons move to blue states and keep to themselves up there. Not a one of them has a life or property I would give a damn about defending.

    A Texan

    October 4, 2020 at 4:19 PM

    • I doubt you would be so cold if you ever thought the lives of Blue state liberals were genuinely threatened.

      Lowe

      October 4, 2020 at 7:22 PM

    • Many of the upper classes in NYS aren’t leaving NYC, but staying within the state and not claim residency in the city ever again. This way De Blasio & Co will lack a gravy train or tax base where funds can be outsourced to NAMs or a Democratic pet project used for the wrong kind of urban parasites.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      October 4, 2020 at 8:27 PM

  9. “As businesses and rich people move out, budget cuts and reduction in services will make New York City an even a crappier place to live and more will move out.”

    1)
    NYC Democrats are probably hoping for a federal bailout. They may be right…

    WRB

    October 4, 2020 at 4:49 PM

    • I do expect a bailout, but a bailout can’t make people go back to work in the office buildings.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 4, 2020 at 6:58 PM

      • Maybe a miracle will happen when the parasitic rentier class and our politicos decide to convert office buildings into residences on the dime just to save the urban center from collapsing. But the real status lies in working remotely and working leisurely away from the city. So people who live only in the city are losers and those who live in both the city and the sticks will brag about their dual privilege.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 4, 2020 at 8:20 PM

      • Correct, the status of living and working in Manhattan will always be a thing. But the neurotic, negative and obnoxious energy masked as a superiority complex emanating from the city residents is no longer tolerated in a post-covid era as people work remotely and outside of the large urban centers.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 4, 2020 at 9:06 PM

  10. I work in a relatively ‘conservative’ fortune 50 company headquartered in Atlanta.

    Corporate-wise we’re all prepared to WFH until the vaccine comes. They let us come in and pick whatever things we needed from the office months ago.

    Aside from that things are rather open. I’ve been to multiple packed bars with people of varying ages wearing no masks in downtown.

    I’m surprised with how ‘steady’ our cases/deaths have been considering that.

    I gotta say, it’s nice to have 4k sqft and a car in this environment..

    Kaz

    October 4, 2020 at 5:00 PM

    • There are two Fortune 50 corporations headquartered in Atlanta, the Major Home Improvement Retailer and the Nationwide Package Delivery Service. What makes these two interesting is that the vast majority of their total workforces are *not* hiding at home. They’re either out in stores dealing with the public, or in warehouse/shipment centers with hundreds of other employees.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      October 4, 2020 at 7:25 PM

      • Yep, it’s an awkward dynamic but we think of as might as well minimize where we can.

        Additionally it’s a lot easier to socially distance in large warehouse/store vs a corporate headquarters where even at a 1/4 capacity it would take hours to use an elevator during rush hour (if we wanted to limit it to the 4 corners).

        Kaz

        October 5, 2020 at 4:18 AM

    • Is your office downtown, midtown, or in one of the northern suburbs? Don’t dox yourself, of course.

      How serious has mask enforcement been in Atlanta, over the last several months?

      Lowe

      October 4, 2020 at 7:36 PM

      • Northwestern suburb.. I guess that makes it kind of obvious though.

        No one is enforcing masks in bars/restaurants.

        Kaz

        October 5, 2020 at 4:16 AM

    • Georgia went through a huge wave in June and July after the idiot governor opened to early. Georgia’s death rate is twice that of North Carolina. I found that the governor is claiming the economy is doing great because of a low unemployment rate but is not counting the furloughed employees.

      US Airlines are operating at 1/3 of normal traffic and most first world countries will not let Americans travel to them for leisure. Not a great situation but the anecdoate did confirm most people’s complaints were about bars and not early about the economy.

      superdestroyer

      October 4, 2020 at 8:27 PM

    • “Corporate-wise we’re all prepared to WFH until the vaccine comes.”

      “I’ve been to multiple packed bars with people of varying ages wearing no masks in downtown.”

      “Yep, it’s an awkward dynamic but we think of as might as well minimize where we can.”

      LOL!

      destructure

      October 6, 2020 at 3:54 PM

      • Haha. Well I’m not worried I’m not an overweight, immunocompromised, old person.

        I hope to not see these people at the bars but hey.. it’s their choice.

        Kaz

        October 7, 2020 at 12:30 AM

      • I was teasing. But I wouldn’t assume that being young and healthy means no risk. Even if it someone is at low risk of dying it can still cause them long-term health problems.

        https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/09/11/a-closer-look-at-covid-19-and-heart-complications-among-athletes

        “In a small JAMA Cardiology study, researchers found abnormalities in the hearts of 3 in 4 people who had recently recovered from COVID-19 and “ongoing myocardial inflammation” in more than half.”

        destructure

        October 7, 2020 at 3:17 PM

      • “it can still cause them long-term health problems.”

        There is no clear evidence of that so far. You need to (1) document the mechanism and (2) statistical data. (1) is not there and for (2) these articles are retarded, because there’s a baseline of athletes (or non-athletes) developing or having undetected problems to begin with. They take this floor to be 0. It’s wrong. Bad science.

        I can see why they have these articles — because people click on them and that generates money.

        Zack

        October 7, 2020 at 6:57 PM

      • It sounds like you’re too smart to fall for the American Heart Association’s money making schemes.

        destructure

        October 8, 2020 at 5:04 PM

  11. I am familiar with what happening in other major cities which were not hit that hard and from what I can see people are returning to the offices but not full time and usually without meeting people from other companies. So I don’t think it will be so bad although those cities are much cleaner and neater than NY, especially the public transport but also the infrastructure in general. NY is just ugly and depilated in many areas and people look unkept, it gives a vibe that everything is diseased.

    Hashed

    October 4, 2020 at 5:09 PM

    • “NY is just ugly and depilated in many areas and people look unkept, it gives a vibe that everything is diseased”

      Pre-pandemic times, NYC is the eminent city of status with money everywhere. You have to find it in the invisible air. One defining thing about NYC is its hedonistic activity of eating at the gazillions of restaurants and the mating scene which the virus has pretty much killed off for now.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      October 4, 2020 at 8:39 PM

      • That’s the problem, in NY things looks good only where there is money and status, in some other cities everything looks good, even in the less affluent areas and NY has a lot of them.

        Hashed

        October 5, 2020 at 1:14 AM

      • You make a good point. NY State isn’t a place that belongs to a particular group long term. It’s concept was founded on a free market where transitions and fluctuations of different kinds of people are always on the move. When the White demographic abandons its core base for other pastures, blacks are left to their own devices, only to be displaced by Hispanics and Hipsters. This is the process of most liberal oriented states vs the Republican reddy states where the White demographic is very stationary without the ebb and flow of incoming groups.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 10:14 AM

  12. It’s becoming more and more obvious that WFH is an epic failure. It leads to poor productivity, makes training new employees next to impossible, and leaves people isolated and socially withdrawn. Casual workplace chitchat around the water cooler may seem trivial, and in a content sense usually is, but it makes people happier and more contented. Happy and contented workers are better workers. People need human contact to thrive, and contact with just one’s immediate family is not enough.
    As for rising crime in the city, well that’s something full permitless carry rights can solve. Cody, Wyoming: case closed.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    October 4, 2020 at 7:19 PM

    • And you know this how? I wasn’t aware that you had a work-from-home job.

      From my viewpoint, it’s working just fine.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 4, 2020 at 10:02 PM

      • I don’t WFH, it would be completely impossible with my job, but I’ve heard enough about WFH from enough people to know it very seldom if ever works. Another issue that I forgot to mention is that way too many bosses fail to grasp the concept of “business hours” and expect their WFH employees to be available for work at all sorts of times. And of course this is in addition to the *huge* issue with social isolation.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        October 4, 2020 at 11:03 PM

      • People who are actually WFH disagree.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 4, 2020 at 11:12 PM

      • You tell him Lion. WFH is fantastic and productivity has skyrocketed. Our corporate management loves it too and so do more than 90% of our employees. But JS is going to look down on us because we are in IT and hence low status😱. That’s his privilege but it’s many peoples dream job to wake up, get on computer and work all day without leaving home. Save big on commute, dining, gas, car insurance. All of our colleagues love it. We are the true Green, eco friendly people too, just as added bonus.

        mpt

        October 5, 2020 at 2:05 AM

      • “People need human contact to thrive, and contact with just one’s immediate family is not enough”

        People will need to find another medium for human interaction besides the toxic work place/office politics.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 10:34 AM

      • Most of my colleagues and subordinates are happy with the WFH situation. None want to go back to the office full-time permanently, except for one or two who hates their spouses and don’t want to be next to them all day at home.

        I work at a bank in midtown Manhattan btw.

        I’m starting to see surveys pop up from law firms in NYC asking their clients about WFH, public-transportation commutes, feeling of safety, etc.. The vast majority like WFH at least a few days per week, do not feel safe taking public transportation, and don’t feel necessarily safe being in the city.

        DdR

        October 5, 2020 at 10:49 AM

      • WFH, at least part time, can work very well. I’ve been WFH since early March, and I observe a few things:
        1. it is harder to communicate, and it does isolate people
        2. you can actually be more productive. Less commute time, more flexible hours
        3. There’s a psychological effect and it’s not good. Before there was work/personal life separation. Not, less so.
        4. Overall more depressed since I have barely seen my colleagues.
        5. I’m currently going to the office 1 day a week, for my mental sanity, and to see some colleagues
        6. I’m personally not worried about corona. No underlying issues, young enough, taking all corona supplements (vit D, zinc, quercetine, aspirin, melatonin) since February (aspirin was added later). Also tested positive for antibodies back in May. Felt nothing. I have a big apartment with a terrace so no issues with space in Manhattan.
        7. I’ve been throwing parties every weekend, for my mental sanity, but it’s still too quiet during the week. I’m a bit introvert, but this lack of human contact is getting to me.

        My feeling is that 100% WFH sucks, but you can make it work, and I could imagine that for some people it’ll work very well. For others it will be a disaster. I’m somewhere in the middle towards work very well

        Zack

        October 5, 2020 at 3:22 PM

      • Worked half of my career from home, productivity wise I haven’t seen any difference, maybe a bit better from home but I think it very much depends on personality and type of work. Socially it is not that good, Lion might be established in NY, already got a circle of friends and don’t need the social interaction at work, or maybe he doesn’t care about social interaction that much. But for many people who just start in a new place it might be tough. Altogether 2 days at work and 3 at homes looks to me like the ideal solution.

        Hashed

        October 5, 2020 at 5:31 PM

    • Not commuting for 1.5 hours per day also makes people happier and more contented. It really sounds like you’re just speculating rather than using actual data for these conclusions.

      Touting gun ownership as a way of fixing New York crime is completely moronic. Not only is it totally not a remote possibility, white collar workers are not going to carry guns around. All it does it make it easier for criminals to get guns.

      Brett

      October 4, 2020 at 10:38 PM

      • Commuting’s not fun, and it can be expensive, but WFH’s lack of commuting is vastly outweighed by its social isolation. Consider the fact that many people find retirement very depressing even if money’s not an issue, because they find themselves interacting with far fewer people. Most people are social creatures. I know that’s sometimes hard to grasp on Internet communities, where every other person is autistic or at least claims to be, but it’s true.

        As for guns, many, many white collar people in civilized states carry. New pistol designs make them smaller and easier to conceal than ever before, even ones chambered in relatively effective calibers like 9mm. To be sure, transit commuters in New York (and elsewhere) would be at a disadvantage because many workplaces don’t allow firearms inside. People who drive to work simply can leave them in the cars.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        October 5, 2020 at 2:12 AM

      • WFH isn’t retirement.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 5, 2020 at 9:25 AM

      • The problem with Americans is their lack of insight. You can’t reinvent the wheel, but Americans’ insatiable greed for petty status which leads to an abundance of parasitic industries could all be tailored out to make the workers healthier and happier. Commuting to work isn’t a bad thing intrinsically, if it’s only no more than 3 days per week.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 5, 2020 at 9:12 AM

      • “Most people are social creatures. “

        True. But the smartest people tend not to socialize much. They tend to have a few, very close friends. Everyone else is just noise. Think about it. Do you want to waste your time talking to people with an IQ two or three standard deviations lower? Well, if someone is really smart then that’s almost everyone. Though it might be interesting in a Jane Goodall kind of way.

        destructure

        October 6, 2020 at 5:26 PM

    • As for rising crime – Vienna, Austria – no handguns, far safer than most American small towns. Warsaw is reasonably safe as well. Combination of sensible gun laws and no NAMs are the best way to keep a city safe.

      Peter Akuleyev

      October 5, 2020 at 4:12 AM

    • I think the social isolation thing is a real issue, but the problem with it is that admitting that it applies to you is low status, so people won’t do it, and that makes it hard for them to get their way. This is both because they won’t admit it to others and won’t admit it to themselves. Will they take the concrete step of taking a pay cut to go work for a competitor that has an office? Or will they act in a way more consistent with their higher-status persona? Self-deception is a powerful drug.

      The meat of the issue is that companies save a massive amount from not having to rent offices and pay people to clean them, refill the coffee machine, etc. Companies that return will look at a massive cut in revenue. They’ll have to balance those workers who don’t like WFH with those who do. The latter is a large group as well, people who don’t like the commutes and may want to move out of the city entirely. Plus, there are more advantages from management’s point of view, such as lack of camaraderie making it easier to fire poor performers.

      Alexander Turok

      October 7, 2020 at 9:23 PM

  13. But if the vaccine is only 75% effective, and only 75% of the people have been vaccinated, that’s a recipe for an outbreak.

    That should be good enough for herd immunity.

    And if some people still get seriously ill, there will be by next year greater stockpiles of Regeneron and Remdesivir antiviral medications to treat those cases.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    October 4, 2020 at 7:30 PM

  14. The big question is, when will people return to the office? Will they ever? The last report on this from the New York Times indicates that less than 10% of workers have returned to the office, primarily in real-estate and banks, two industries that are especially worried about a collapse in commercial real estate (with banks having lent lots of money to big construction projects) and are trying to set a “good example” for other industries. (With a “good example” actually being a bad example for public health.)

    The main risk is crime and homelessness.

    But I think a reduction in offices operating at full capacity is a manageable issue.

    Fewer offices means more room for apartments.

    Most wealthy people would still want to live and work in New York just for making connections at work and the social scene after work.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    October 4, 2020 at 7:33 PM

  15. I was in the Hudson Valley today and the place is inundated with city residents and it has been more crowded than ever.

    With the Covid-era, the new status marker is bragging to the locals who live along the Hudson River that you are from the city and telling your fellow urban strivers from NYC that only losers are cooped up in the city.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    October 4, 2020 at 8:15 PM

  16. Another thing to remember is that there are different kinds of vaccines. As I understand it, the three main types are:

    (1) Directly packaged genes:
    -US is working on it
    -Vaccine needs to be kept frozen or frozen at very cold temperature
    -No previous successful human vaccines use this approach

    (2) Viral vector:
    -Both US and China are working on it.
    -Isn’t guaranteed to work since you can be immune to the carrier virus.
    -Has a few successful examples used before in humans

    (3) Inactivated virus:
    -Only China is working on it!
    -Guaranteed to work
    -Has a long history of working successfully on humans

    Given this, I feel like there’s a real chance that the only really high quality vaccine available will be from China. That would definitely make things interesting politically.

    alex2

    October 4, 2020 at 10:02 PM

  17. “Most worrying, to me, is that during the previous two weeks there has been a rise in cases in the Hasidic neighborhoods. The Hasidim have not been social distancing for months, so why are they suddenly getting sick again now? My answer is that immunity to Covid-19 begins to fade after five to six months.”

    That’s bad news. I’m interested in the details.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    October 4, 2020 at 10:58 PM

    • Orthodox Jews getting infected a lot in Israel but their death rate is smaller than the general population because the majority of the population is young. That’s also the reason they get infected more, when you got 8 kids in a family and very congested neighbourhoods it is just hard to maintain social distancing and one case can very easily trigger the whole thing again pretty quick. Also in Hassidic schools people tend to stay inside for longer hours and without any outside physical activity, this contributes to higher rates of infection within those schools.

      Hashed

      October 5, 2020 at 1:21 AM

  18. If Cody, Wyoming isn’t to your liking, but you still want to live where guns are commonplace and the government doesn’t micromanage your life, there’s this 40-acre ranch in Nevada complete with hundreds of acres of grazing rights for your cows. Best of all, there’s only one neighbor … Area 51.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/20031-Rock-Springs-Rd-Alamo-NV-89001/247080020_zpid/

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    October 5, 2020 at 2:01 AM

  19. Man fatally stabbed at Chambers Street subway station – https://gothamist.com/news/subway-rider-fatally-stabbed-chambers-street-station – at 3 pm on a Saturday. The news is nowhere to be found on the NYT’s “New York” section; no one really cares I guess. I remember living in the East Village in the early 90s. I would never take the subway. No one I knew would ever take the subway. Now things seem to be heading back to the old days, and obviously a mayor like DeBlasio isn’t up to the challenge of fixing that, even if he wanted to be. Sad.

    Chamber

    October 5, 2020 at 8:53 AM

    • Yeah, and the USA is also a silly place now. You have Muslims and Hindus who live along side with other groups in White suburbia without any rhyme or reason. The only group of people who isn’t part of this social fabric are the Eastern Asiatics, but they’ll complain about something as trivial as the bamboo ceiling to no avail.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      October 5, 2020 at 2:08 PM

  20. “The fatal stabbing occurred amid a decrease in serious subway crime. In late September, the NYPD said investigators were tracking 110 major felonies reported in the subway system in August, down from 206 major felonies in August 2019, the Daily News reports.”

    So STFU

    Paul Ryan’s Coronavirus Infected Lap Dog

    October 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM

    • A lot of subway felonies are committed by high school students after school, and schools are closed now, so crime is down.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 5, 2020 at 4:14 PM

      • The Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA) has a few tentacles. They are the subways and buses, the LIRR (Long Island Rail Road), the West of the Hudson’s Metro North, the Metro North, and the metro card allows you to use this mechanism, which is the Roosevelt Island Tramway.

        Thank god, backstabbing NAMs aren’t really found in the last 2 modes of transport. Imagine a few NAM students decided to cause mayhem in midair with this Roosevelt Island Tramway.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 6, 2020 at 8:58 AM

    • Yeah gee its almost like there’s way less people using the subways at the moment

      Brett

      October 5, 2020 at 10:13 PM

      • So which is it then? New York is a dangerous shithole or crime is way down because school is closed?

        People are using random incidents of violence to justify their long lived desire to leave NYC while saving face. Some are using it to justify prior predjudices about the city. A spade is still a spade.

        Sidenote: Lion completely ignores scientific evidence that contradicts his corona narrative (predictably human trait). T-cell immunity papers which stack up nicely with what happened in the diamond princess got zero mention on this blog.

        But of course it’s hardly a major event if 50% of the population has prior immunity to a virus that has a common ancestor. Who could have predicted viruses with genetic similarity might have similar immune system tagging?

        Paul Ryan’s Coronavirus Infected Lap Dog

        October 6, 2020 at 9:22 AM

      • It’s both. Inner city NAM students are just as rowdy as the adults who make the news as suspects.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 6, 2020 at 8:09 PM

      • ” Lion completely ignores scientific evidence that contradicts his corona narrative (predictably human trait). T-cell immunity papers which stack up nicely with what happened in the diamond princess…”

        That’s because one of the mantras of this sect is, “No one is immune.”

        You cannot contradict one of the tenets of their faith.

        Mike Street Station

        October 7, 2020 at 5:59 AM

  21. There is no evidence that immunity disappears after a few months. None. In fact all the evidence we have is that immunity lasts a long time, just like with other viruses including corona viruses. Corona viruses are pretty stable and don’t mutate too much, it’s just the property of the virus. There were studies that showed that people who survived SARS 1 still have immunity, 17 years after.

    Zack

    October 5, 2020 at 12:06 PM

  22. Andrew E.

    October 5, 2020 at 1:38 PM

  23. See…I was right. Trump is fine.

    He had the Covid, the therapeutics worked, and the country can re-open.

    NYC can go barricade itself at home and destroy its own economy.

    map

    October 5, 2020 at 5:58 PM

    • Trump is not fine. Trump is dealing with Covid and trying to not look sick. President Trump is only going back to Walter Reed if he is unconcious due to his desire to not look sick. However, President Trump is taking a long shot bet that looking healthy will help his re-election campaign and that he will not take a downturn that puts in in the ICU.

      superdestroyer

      October 6, 2020 at 9:55 AM

      • You are not going to function like Trump is doing if you are really sick.

        map

        October 7, 2020 at 12:30 AM

      • Trump is barely functioning. He is doing an act to appear healthy while acting sick enough to not convince anyone. There is a possibility that President Trump will crash in a few days due to working too hard not to appear not sick. It has happened to others.

        superdestroyer

        October 7, 2020 at 3:01 PM

      • Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 7, 2020 at 5:40 PM

      • You are kidding, right? Trump appears to be completely dysfunctional at the moment. Rage Tweeting and hiding from sight. Even odds he collapses by the weekend when the steroids wear off.

        Peter Akuleyev

        October 7, 2020 at 4:00 PM

      • Oh, Lord…

        Trump is still within the window where he is being monitored. The litmus test is how he feels by the weekend.

        Besides, you don’t find this admirable? That he is willing to put his own health and recovery in jeopardy for a show of strength and a message of hope? Looks like leadership to me.

        I suppose you prefer a Democrat leadership based on rolling lockdowns, rolling blackouts, rolling forest fires, and rolling riots. Massive costs imposed in the present for future benefits so far from the present and so massively distributed that no one notices them.

        map

        October 7, 2020 at 7:15 PM

  24. As I have said before, this COVID mess is an evolving manufactured crisis.

    The goal of lockdowns was to slow the spread so that medical services and hospital beds don’t get slammed. Then, this morphed into a belief that social distancing and mask-wearing is somehow a cure for COVID, until we have cadres of idiots running around mask-shaming each other.

    I actually bought a batch of N95 masks right at the time Dr. Fauci was telling people that masks were unnecessary. I was wearing them and people were looking at me funny, thinking that I was sick.

    You know what was never done after lockdown? A random sampling of the population and testing the sample. For a city the size of NY, you would only need to test a couple of thousand households. This is the level of seriousness with which this manufactured crisis was taken.

    map

    October 5, 2020 at 10:24 PM

    • Map I agree with you on everything, but to be fair they did do serum antibody sampling of multiple cities (Dr. Leonidas from Stanford University). I believe Cuomo at some point quoted antibody seropositivity stats and New York was around 25% (this was towards the end of their outbreak). In retrospect it makes perfect sense New York’s pandemic ended around then since 50% of people have cross immunity from T-cell response based off of prior coronaviruses. With an R0 of 3 and a T-cell immunity fairly randomly distributed throughout the population 25%+50% = 75% which is the herd immunity threshold. Periodic outbreaks as you are seeing now would still occur due to non-homogeneity through the population. If it goes parabolic again then you have a true” outbreak.

      Also asymptomatic/presymptomstic/aerosol spread is bullshit. This bug is spread via faecal matter (and aerosolisatiob thereof. Remember Polio? R0 of 5 on that faecally spread virus.

      Thanks

      Paul Ryan’s Coronavirus Triumphant Lap Dog

      October 6, 2020 at 9:30 AM

      • Paul Ryan’s Coronavirus Triumphant Lap Dog,

        1) I live in a major city. No one did antibody sampling here during the lockdown. Cuomo always has bs stats coming out of his mouth. In fact, I know no such sampling was done in NYC because I never heard of it.

        2) If what you say about spread via aerosolized fecal matter is right, then this would explain the spread among the elderly: they would have high levels of incontinence. This is why hospitals and nursing homes are “dirty.” It also means that, for everyone else, COVID is relatively benign in sanitary environments.

        map

        October 7, 2020 at 12:41 AM

    • The U.S. has performed over 100 million Covid tests. Around seven percent were positive. If the number of people who were infected and showed no symptoms were high, there is no way that the U.S. would have seen the low positive rate than it has seen. The idea that 10% of everyone on earth has been infected is not shown in any testing data and the nice, round number shows that the number is just a crude estinate.

      superdestroyer

      October 7, 2020 at 3:04 PM

    • Good hygiene (hard washing, social distancing, masking wearing) has never been claimed to be a cure for Covid-19. Anyone who intentionally misunderstands the claims to make a political point is just demonstrating their political leanings. Good hygiene just lowers the risk of spread and lowers the velocity of the spread through the public.

      The locks downs were to make social distancing easier and to eliminate situations of high spread such as crowds packed into bars, theaters, and churches. There are still stories every day where weddings, churches, and bars have failed to follow good hygiene and gotten people sick with some dying. Look at the White House for what happens when good hygiene is not followed.

      Europe is beginning to start some procedures that the U.S. would call lockdowns due to increased cases in countries like France, England, Germany, and Italy.

      superdestroyer

      October 7, 2020 at 3:08 PM

      • That means to control covid you have to be on lockdown forever.

        The flu has been killing 100,000 people a year for the last two decades, and no one was put on lockdown. The Spanish Flu killed millions, and no one suggested a lockdown.

        Hell, we are at the point where we are quarantining healthy people. You quarantine the sick, not the healthy.

        map

        October 7, 2020 at 7:21 PM

    • “If what you say about spread via aerosolized fecal matter is right, then this would explain the spread among the elderly: they would have high levels of incontinence.”

      As almost no one except me dares to say, when the virus carries off the incontinent demented elderly in nursing homes it’s actually the Angel of Mercy bestowing her blessed relief.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      October 7, 2020 at 8:15 PM

    • “You know what was never done after lockdown? A random sampling of the population and testing the sample. For a city the size of NY, you would only need to test a couple of thousand households. This is the level of seriousness with which this manufactured crisis was taken.”

      Can we ban this idiot? I don’t think he’s intentionally lying here. He hasn’t heard of this kind of study being done, so it hasn’t been done. Not that he spent any time looking for it. No, he probably doesn’t even know what Sci-Hub is. Nearly half of his comments have patently false information like this. Perhaps do what Unz did and restrict him to one comment per day.

      Alexander Turok

      October 7, 2020 at 8:56 PM

      • Oops…

        I meant “during the lockdown.”

        For the initial two-week lockdown that occurred, there should have been people in hazmat suits doing a random sample of households and then having them test for COVID at those households. The larger the sample size, the smaller percentage sample you need to take.

        For a city with one million people, the sample is roughly 3400 households selected at random and tested for COVID.

        This is what I meant was never done.

        map

        October 8, 2020 at 7:17 PM

      • And UNZ limits everyone to three comments per hour.

        map

        October 8, 2020 at 7:18 PM

  25. “But if the vaccine is only 75% effective, and only 75% of the people have been vaccinated, that’s a recipe for an outbreak. There are flu outbreaks every year despite vaccines and people having had the flu before.”

    Typical adult vaccine rates for flu are about 40% of the adult population per year. A COVID vaccine could have higher rates than that because of the current hysteria, or lower rates if people are afraid of the Trump vaccine and want to wait for a Biden vaccine. In any case, everyone who wants the vaccine will get one and we can dispense with the hysterics who are trying to destroy civilization because of their own paranoia and neuroses.

    Mike Street Station

    October 6, 2020 at 6:15 AM

  26. LotB: What is a D.O.? Someone who couldn’t get into a real MD school so they had to go to a DO school where on top of learning real medicine they also had to learn some bogus stuff from the 1800s?

    Would you rather be treated by a graduate of an accredited US DO medical school or some storefron diploma mill in the Caribbean?

    DOs must pass the exact same licensing exams as MDs.

    E. Rekshun

    October 6, 2020 at 10:56 AM

    • Got it, U.S. DO better than MD from bogus school in a third-world country.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 6, 2020 at 4:05 PM

      • Many medical practices, hospitals, and insurers are very keen on hiring (the relatively rare) DO as a complement to the MD.

        E. Rekshum

        October 6, 2020 at 5:26 PM

      • ER’s are full of DO’s.

        map

        October 7, 2020 at 12:47 AM

      • DOs go through the same residencies as MDs. There are DO neurosurgeons.

        Daniel H

        October 7, 2020 at 1:54 PM

      • And it’s not the DOs who are pushing tranny distress, with it’s barbaric remedies, as a legitimate medical issue.

        Daniel H

        October 7, 2020 at 1:56 PM

    • “Would you rather be treated by a graduate of an accredited US DO medical school or some storefron diploma mill in the Caribbean?
      DOs must pass the exact same licensing exams as MDs.”

      So do the graduates of the storefront Caribbean diploma mills.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      October 7, 2020 at 8:12 PM

  27. How is it that China has seemingly eliminated the virus? Even with strict lockdown measures, it just seems so totally unbelievable that a country so large and with so many densely packed cities just eliminated it apparently altogether

    Brett

    October 6, 2020 at 8:20 PM

    • Because what happened in China is probably fake.

      map

      October 7, 2020 at 7:22 PM

  28. OT: This is what a genius looks like in 2020

    Brett

    October 6, 2020 at 8:28 PM

  29. Baltimore becomes desirable when Mestizo Hispanics start to colonize the area in significant numbers and then White Hipsters descend down like vultures into the city with their craft breweries, burger joints and funky boutiques. This is really the process of urban gentrification. Whites do not make 2nd qualms living with Hispanics (as in Mestizo Hispanics), but are wary of gentrifying black areas and somewhat wary of gentrifying Puerto Rican and Dominican areas due to subconscious HBD feelings about these groups.

    And yes, Mestizos are starting to intermarry with White Hipsters. This union is more compatible than that of the parasitic relationship between White men marrying Asian women.

    The final verdict is that Hispanic immigration from Mestizo Latin America is good for Whites in the urban renewal process.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    October 7, 2020 at 8:57 AM

    • How is building things make them like vultures?

      Also it would be nice if you provided a jot of evidence for any of the goofy stuff you say.

      Brett

      October 8, 2020 at 12:39 AM

      • Speaking of vultures, other than three rare varieties from New Guinea they’re the only birds that are unsafe to eat. Their diet of carrion gives them dangerously high bacterial loads that cannot be completely destroyed by cooking.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        October 9, 2020 at 12:23 PM

  30. Rockland County’s Covid-19 hotspots are in Hasidic and NAM areas in the sticks.

    Sound familiar, city folks?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rockland-officials-residents-pore-over-coronavirus-hot-spot-map/ar-BB19LYgK?ocid=hplocalnews

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    October 7, 2020 at 10:21 AM

  31. Malliotakis running as a Republican is not weird. She isn’t part Puerto Rican, but part Cuban, so that makes sense.

    Max Rose is weird. Guidos could give a #$%^ about his Oxford University credentials.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    October 7, 2020 at 1:24 PM

    • A status comparison between Pete Buttigieg and Max Rose who both share similarities in educational attainment, family background and political experience.

      The former Democratic Mayor of South Bend Indiana has a degree from Harvard University, speaks several languages, an Afghanistan war veteran and whose dad was a professor emeritus in the University of Notre Dame. He governed a city in a Red State populated by Midwestern proles.

      The Congressman from Staten Island has degrees from notable British Universities, also an Afghanistan war veteran and his dad was an executive in a pharmaceutical company and his mother was a professor at BMCC. He represents an island that has been forgotten by the greatest city in the world populated by guidos.

      My verdict. Pete Buttigieg has a higher social status. Harvard University holds more weight than any British Academy in America and Midwestern proles have a higher status than guidos (who are losers/outcasts in the eyes of Manhattan elites). Midwestern proles could see eye to eye with a Harvard graduate, but guidos could never see eye to eye with a London School of Econ/Oxford University graduate. President Trump also affirmed that Max Rose is the wrong guy for Staten Island.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      October 7, 2020 at 6:25 PM

      • why are you so obsessed with status etc no one else really cares, it comes across as kinda narcissistic and weird

        james n.s.w

        October 8, 2020 at 10:18 AM

      • Lion’s twitta account says Max Rose graduated from top schools and Nicole Malliotakis graduated from guido schools.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 8, 2020 at 3:44 PM

  32. Re Manhattan density, John Derbyshire was recently on 2d Avenue, between 53rd & 75th. He says, “vehicular traffic was even worse than usual, which I would not have thought possible.”

    Val

    October 7, 2020 at 5:53 PM

  33. think that Trump lives in his own thought bubble

    Someone’s definitely in a thought bubble.

    Andrew E.

    October 8, 2020 at 9:42 AM

    • OT: I love this recent Ben Garrison cartoon:

      It showcases how far MAGA gas fallen. There’s no hint of the original promise to drain the swamp: the goal now is merely to take refuge on the high ground above it. And “USA” is not looking like it’s gonna escape from the swamp, the tentacles have him pretty good, with only Trump pulling him away. And Trump doesn’t look to be putting his back into it. But he’s in an okay position, and the subconscious message is that we, the USA, are supposed to sacrifice ourselves so that he can make it out. That’s the struggle now, it went from “Trump is gonna save us” to “we gotta save him.” Make sure he is safe from what we are not.

      Just. Say. No.

      Anonymous

      October 9, 2020 at 9:34 AM

      • Trump will win. The swamp will be drained. They’re all going down. Clinton and Obama and Biden included.

        Also, your reading of the cartoon only describes your own feelings. Not what’s actually in the cartoon.

        Andrew E.

        October 9, 2020 at 11:18 AM

      • Wow, talk about living in a conservative bubble.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 9, 2020 at 11:21 AM

      • I’ve been consistent. However, the corona fearmongering (levels unprecedented in history) has broken a lot of minds.

        Andrew E.

        October 9, 2020 at 11:51 AM

  34. Lion – Commenting from a Hudson Valley town. Not the usual, your IP address is somewhere in NYC.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    October 8, 2020 at 3:47 PM

  35. This disinformation strategy is working wonders. Keep talking about viruses and disease, crowded elevators, crowded public transportation, and “decline.” All of a sudden, overpriced NYC real estate magically seems risky. Bravo! The developers don’t buy it.

    Lion, what’s your price point before you acquire your dream flat? What neighborhoods have the highest concentration of fashion models 🙂

    Mountains or Manhattan

    October 9, 2020 at 11:40 AM

    • “What neighborhoods have the highest concentration of fashion models”

      If you had been paying attention, you’d know that I lived in an apartment that a supermodel used to live in.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 9, 2020 at 11:57 AM


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