Lion of the Blogosphere

HBD and “Systemic Racism”

There’s probably nothing here that I haven’t previously written, but here it goes anyway.

The left believes that there is some mysterious force that’s preventing blacks from being successful. (Successful as defined by elite whites. If you were to define success as being good at sports, then blacks are the more successful race.)

The thing is that the left is actually correct, there is a mysterious force preventing blacks from being successful. That force is HBD. However, HBD is taboo and to even talk about it is to be the worst kind of racist.

There are some people in the HBD community who think that HBD is so obvious that everyone must secretly believe in it. But they are wrong. Just as Christians genuinely believe in Jesus, liberals genuinely believe that there’s no difference in intelligence between blacks and whites, and their anger at anyone who says otherwise is very real and not just an act.

Because HBD is off the table as the force that’s preventing blacks from being successful, the left has focused on “systemic racism” as the cause. In this the left is actually more correct than conservatives who deny that systemic racism is a thing but agree with the liberals that HBD is racist and untrue.

Fifteen years ago I was optimistic that, thanks to the internet, the truth of HBD would get out there and finally become widely believed, but in fact the opposite has happened. If anything, the early naughts were the golden age of freedom to talk about HBD. The amount of online censorship of anything deemed to be “racist” is increasing, and HBD has been co-opted by a bunch of dumb proles who may be called “alt right” or “white supremacists” or whatever. The irony is that the white supremacists themselves believe in systemic racism and deny the truth of HBD; they promote a narrative that Jews are racists and the white gentiles are the victims of Jewish racism. Just like the liberals, they deny that Jews are more successful because they have high-IQ genes. When even the people who are supposed to believe in HBD don’t believe in it when it hurts their feelings, I guess it’s not likely that liberals are ever going to believe in it. At least not without some major society-shaking capitulation.

Trump supporters insist that Trump has expanded the so-called “Overton window,” but I see no evidence of that in the arena of HBD. During the last four years, the Overton window has narrowed and the types of statements that can get you censored online or fired from your job have increased in scope. Trump supporters say we are supposed to applaud Trump’s small victories in the arena of immigration, but those will be ephemeral and end as soon as Joe Biden takes over. In the more important battle, the battle for HBD, we have lost ground under four years of Trump.

The left is becoming more and more adamant that we must finally do something about the “systemic racism” that’s all around us, and without HBD there’s no way to disprove “systemic racism.” Therefore our problems are only going to get worse, and whatever the left does to try to end “systemic racism” is only going to make matters worse because you can’t end something that doesn’t exist and it will probably result in even more bad feelings between blacks and whites and liberals and conservatives, as well as rising crime because police are blamed for “systemic racism,” and with rising crime will come collapse of urban areas with a lot of blacks. Attempts to end “systemic racism” will make the live of blacks worse rather than better.

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Commenter Simon writes:

There are only two ways to explain away the obvious inequalities: Either they’re the result of small but significant genetic differences, innate and intractable, or they’re merely the result of bias and of black economic disadvantage — in which case it’s our duty to throw more money at the problem, step up racial preferences, bow to black resentment, and foster a sense of white guilt.

So yeah, science is ultimately the only remedy.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 29, 2020 at 10:38 AM

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  1. If Trump wins, will the Philadelphia riots have been the reason?

    committee major funding

    October 29, 2020 at 11:05 AM

    • No. Why would looting in Philly affect voters in Eric PA or Easton.PA? Also, since the Trump Administration has no answer to the looting and rioting except to point and sputter, why would anyone care?

      superdestroyer

      October 29, 2020 at 11:32 AM

      • Bc they have eyes

        David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

        November 1, 2020 at 3:52 PM

  2. Trump supporters insist that Trump has expanded the so-called “Overton window,” but I see no evidence of that in the arena of HBD.

    Why would you expect that Trump would expand the Overton Window on HBD? That has never been an issue of his. He has expanded it on other ways, like immigration. It used to be the argument over immigration was between “a whole lot” and “unlimited.” So progress, even if it’s minor, has been made on that point.

    HBD runs counter to the current ideology/religion of wokeism that any statistical difference you find is the result of systemic racism, so you are going to need something far more profound than a President to change the conversation on that.

    Mike Street Station

    October 29, 2020 at 11:17 AM

    • I think Trump, like a lot of conservatives, sees black failure to achieve as primarily a moral flaw. He sees them as lazy and/or overindulged by white liberal coddling.

      HBD actually suggests the opposite. Expecting blacks to succeed in a society designed by and for whites is like expecting a horse to guard sheep.

      Peter Akuleyev

      October 29, 2020 at 12:23 PM

      • Indeed, I recently found myself in a situation with some normie Republicans who felt free to speak frankly around me, and they all agreed that blacks underperform due to a failure to take personal responsibility, and they blame white leftists for contributing to this by insisting that none of blacks’ problems are their own fault.

        But I think Lion historically agreed with this premise to a degree at one point. I think he used the term “middle-class values”. I would agree that the black situation is significantly worse than it needs to be, even if true parity is unachievable (at least as things exist biologically today).

        Wency

        October 29, 2020 at 5:39 PM

      • I agree with the above. We can’t make people smarter, but we can train people to behave properly. If we can train dogs to behave properly, we can do it with humans.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 29, 2020 at 5:42 PM

      • I believe blacks are actually worse off today than they were pre-Civil-rights-movement, by every measure except wealth/income (and that only because they’re the beneficiaries of massive affirmative action and welfare.) Our society has degraded to the point where the white illegitimacy rate is higher today than the much-discussed black illegitimacy rate was pre-1965. But at any given point in time, the black rate has always been higher than the white rate. Same goes for crime, illiteracy, etc. And that’s the problem. We could, with sufficient social pressures like we used to have, force blacks to be much better than they are today. But they will always lag behind on average. And to the left-wing mind, that is completely unacceptable and prima facie evidence of discrimination.

        Hermes

        October 29, 2020 at 6:00 PM

      • Lion’s point is consistent with the research on schools that shows that Catholic schools do better than other private schools (even when correcting for selection bias and higher spending). More strikingly the improvements from Catholic schooling — even when using loterries — seem to help the lower classes especially. The simple explanation is the greater focus on behavior, order, and some moralism does seem to prevent worst case situations from happening to those from very poor, bad backgrounds.

        Ivanivan

        October 29, 2020 at 6:01 PM

      • sub-saharan countries have the highest crime rates and you expect a sizable population of blacks to behave “properly” either in their natural environment or somewhere else.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 29, 2020 at 7:27 PM

      • @Hermes:

        The gap between black and white test scores narrowed into the mid-1980s or so. So blacks are more educated than they were pre-Civil Rights and probably did make some real progress in their condition for a decade or two after, even independent of affirmative action. There has been no progress for 30+ years though.

        If you go to Atlanta, for example — the capital of the black middle class — you will see a lot of corporate jobs reasonably competently staffed by the 1/6th of the black population with IQs over 100. I don’t think affirmative action is that important in driving all of that, but Civil Rights in general probably contributed a lot to making it possible.

        Wency

        October 30, 2020 at 9:25 AM

  3. But Lion, this isn’t just about white and black anymore. What about East Asian/South Asian block that will take its place at the table along with Jews and Whites. Although I don’t think we will see many Asian American billionaires at the same rate as their educational achievements. But what I (and I’m not the only one) do see is a significant over-representation of asian / jews / gentile whites in the elite professions.

    Something like 15% / 25% / 55% (A / J / G) moving towards 25% / 15% / 50% (A / J / G) because asian population will increase.

    Look at the forecast – Asians number around 20 million today; in 2060, that number will grow to 50 million…. That’s a lot of cream at the top..

    What will be the backlash from gentile whites and NAMs?

    One thing that really sticks to me as under-representation of hispanics at the top. I don’t mean white looking hispanics like Rubio and Cruz, who are essentially white. Hispanics represent almost 15-16% of the US population now and will number 100 million in 2060 (medium forecast). I would say most of these 100 million hispanics do look like rubio or cruz. Why isn’t there a big uproar that at somepoint 20% of the whole US population will be invisible?

    uman

    October 29, 2020 at 11:29 AM

    • Why do you predict most of the hispanics in the US will be white? The only countries south to the US with a white majority are Uruguay and Argentina. Chile, Colombia and Brazil are about 40% and that’s also not ted cruz white but the slightly darker variety.

      However, the immigration to the US is mainly from countries where whites are a minority and many times a well off minority so they don’t immigrate that much. It is not even that much from south America but rather from north and central where most people are native or at best a combination of native and Spanish.

      Hashed

      October 31, 2020 at 3:52 AM

  4. Thank you for posting again,

    The biggest problem is that there is almost no one who is a good spokesman for HBD and who has good knowledge of the statistics. Look at how most of the people who try to discuss HBD screw up even basics statistics. Look at how many of them do not bother to listen to the left’s arguments, prepare responses, and anticipate the next answers.

    I use the example of Nikole Hannah-Jones when she was on the college circuit talking about resegregation in education. She said many things that HBC types could use but since she was a black liberal no one paid attention to her. Also, when she took questions from the audience, most of the questions were horrible and did not go further than what one could read on Wikipedia.

    superdestroyer

    October 29, 2020 at 11:31 AM

  5. hbd has become more suppressed than ever, to the etent that you can’t even talk about measured psychological differences between races anymore full stop, let alone what *causes* those differences. even though they’re referenced (with qualifications) in virtually every university psychology 101 textbook somewhere, the fact that there’s a measured IQ difference between black people and white people in itself is a point of denial or thoughtcrime for most. we’re not even talking about whether that gap is genetic or not. even if it is, the argument that it’s “not genetic” therefore trivialises such differences to racial egalitarians, as though a seemingly intractable measured psychological difference on a life-important trait that has persisted since mass-scale IQ testing began one hundred years ago is something that can be wished away with the stroke of a pen.

    at this point i don’t even care whether the b-w gap is genetic or arguing it as such (though obviously it most likely largely is) — nobody knows how to fix it environmentally, so even if it is 100% environmental, it’s intractable enough to be functionally the same as if it had a 100% genotypic etiology.

    james n.s.w

    October 29, 2020 at 12:06 PM

    • In fact, the standard reaction to anyone bringing up IQ at all today is to denounce the very concept, saying it doesn’t measure anything but the ability to take IQ tests.

      Hermes

      October 29, 2020 at 6:17 PM

  6. Trump has indirectly expanded the Overton Window. Simply by being less politically correct than the leftist elites demand, he has created far more accusations of “racism” AKA attacks on white people. The result has been a backlash from mainstream conservatives, who now feel obligated to defend white people as a race. My hope is that, over time, this defense of white people will lead to more HBD discussions.

    jewamongyou

    October 29, 2020 at 12:11 PM

  7. The problem with HBD is that no one seems to agree what policies follow from it. If blacks are genetically intellectually inferior to whites than why don’t they deserve a leg up in terms of affirmative action? How else are they supposed to function in our society, especially one that has mostly devalued the sort of manual and agricultural labor blacks might be good at? Hell, even prime black entertainment careers like music and athletics are gradually being replaced by the virtual world. Soon enough Koreans will be making big bucks dominating e-sports and blacks will be crippling themselves on football fields for the amusement of a dwindling number of hard core gamblers.

    And to make matters worse, our society aggressively imports competitors to take service jobs away from blacks. The GOP rhetoric of telling blacks to stop being lazy is idiotic in an HBD world. The realistic alternative is segregation and deportation, but the percentage of the voting population that would support such a policy is vanishingly small.

    Maybe if we all accepted a sort of Planet of the Apes caste system where blacks were athletes and barbers, Jews were lawyers and ran retail businesses, East Asians were doctors, Hispanics ran restaurants, WASPs were politicians, and white blonde women were real estate agents, and everyone was good with that, then life would be more frictionless, but I don’t see it. The Western individualism gene is too strong. “Everyone has a right to pursue their dream” is dogma both with the left and the right. And so we have to offer a Vice President slot to a second rate prosecutor to be a role model for little black girls, let white squash players take Ivy League slots from brilliant Asian kids, and have Fox News provide jobs for the gentiles who weren’t smart enough to compete with Jews for the real jobs.

    The Ottoman Empire maybe had it right – in that time and place your ethnicity and religion mostly determined your lot in life. If you were a Serb, you got sent to the Janissaries, a Jew ran a textile business, a Christian farmed, and a Muslim wrote poetry, skimmed the money off the top and smoked a hookah in a cafe. But eventually that didn’t end well either. Maybe we just have to muddle along.

    Peter Akuleyev

    October 29, 2020 at 12:17 PM

    • This kind of thinking shows why people are reluctant to publicize HBD. This kind of thinking assumes there is some sort of hard correlation between an individual’s ethnicity and what they are capable of doing. HBD is just about *averages*, not but what any one individual can do. There are lots of black people who can be excellent doctors, the percentage of blacks who can do it is just smaller. Likewise, there are lots of Jews who can be good athletes. The caste system you suggest is just downright wrong and scary. If you really think a caste system is a logical thing to do if HBD is accepted, it’s no wonder people don’t want to publicize HBD.

      larsavatar

      October 29, 2020 at 5:40 PM

      • You are right, but playing averages still means you end up in a society where most blacks will never meet a black surgeon and no Jews will play in the NBA. A society based on merit will end up looking like a caste system even if it isn’t really rigid at all, that was really my sloppily made point.

        Peter Akuleyev

        October 29, 2020 at 5:57 PM

  8. The real problem is that both can be true, you shouldn’t deny systemic racism just becuase HBD, nor should you deny HBD because of systemic racism. There is systemic racism, and there is at least some truth to HBD. And beyond HBD there are intra-group cultural factors that hold a group back probably even more, but are just as verboten.

    Thath

    October 29, 2020 at 12:45 PM

    • Thath is correct that both can be true. But it should be pointed out that any disparity involving black incomes actually favors blacks. For example, blacks with an IQ of 100 actually earn the same as others with an IQ of 100. That’s fine. However, blacks with an IQ of 120 earn more on average than others with an IQ of 120. And I’m not sure why upper middle class blacks should be getting affirmative action when they’re already earning more money than others.

      destructure

      October 30, 2020 at 2:54 AM

      • “However, blacks with an IQ of 120 earn more on average than others with an IQ of 120.”

        Totally makes sense because a black with an IQ of 120 will get accepted to a better college, get affirmative-action hired into a better career, than a white with the same IQ. But what’s the source for that factoid?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 30, 2020 at 9:12 AM

      • It’s been so long that I don’t recall. I ~think~ this paper references it if someone has access.

        The Myth of Racial Discrimination in Pay in the United States
        Satoshi Kanazawa
        https://www.jstor.org/stable/25151380?seq=1

        destructure

        October 30, 2020 at 7:11 PM

  9. It’s pretty demoralizing. You do see some people coming around but it’s too little too late. Academics appear to be completely brainwashed or muzzled on the issue and I think you’d need them to lead the charge. Further the policies the anti-racists want to implement because of their madness is going to make things worse for everyone. Conservatives can’t even logically fight against these evil/stupid policies because they have no frame to argue from. How can you argue against affirmative action or defund the police when you can’t even speak the strongest arguments against it? People are different and thats going to cause differences in outcome but its not due to racism, there are hardly any racists left and they have no control over anything important.

    XVO

    October 29, 2020 at 12:59 PM

  10. Come on Lion, write a post about Miles Taylor.

    IHTG

    October 29, 2020 at 1:00 PM

  11. Poughkeepsie is the blackest city in the Hudson Valley, followed by Newburgh, NY. The former doesn’t have a craft brewery setup by White Hipsters, but the latter does, given the higher Hispanic count. To answer the question of a commenter who said Hipster beer makers aren’t vultures that descend upon the gentrification process. I’d agree, but they are…White Hipsters would never gentrify a completely black area, but will descend upon an area with Hispanics. So how does HBD come into play with this? Other races are fundamentally averse to the presence of blacks and their lack of civilization endeavors also keeps others away.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    October 29, 2020 at 1:03 PM

  12. I think the fear is that if the truth of HBD is widely believed, it will be mistakenly used to implement policies that actually create systemic racism.

    larsavatar

    October 29, 2020 at 1:14 PM

  13. I don’t agree with your line that jews are smartest and ‘deserve’ to be higher in the totem pole. East Asians are also smarter than whites, but whites have more suitable physiological and personality traits for ‘success’. Thats why East Asians come to the West. Thats why jews came to the West.

    If you want to see Jews as a type of white person that might help you with the alt right people.

    The Philosopher

    October 29, 2020 at 1:31 PM

    • I predict that in the future, Asians will become more dominant than Jews. There are more Asians, and China is actively promoting the interests of Chinese around the globe.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 29, 2020 at 5:33 PM

      • What about the odds of another holocaust / major pogrom in the next 200 years?

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        October 29, 2020 at 5:39 PM

      • I think the hybrid elites running the US – a mix of Jew, Asian, WASP, Indian and higher IQ African – will run the planet. Not an accident that neither Obama nor Kamala are genetic descendants of African American slaves, but both claim to be „black”. The Ivy Leagues are brilliant at creating this racial mix.

        Peter Akuleyev

        October 29, 2020 at 6:03 PM

    • The reason other groups come to the West is not that whites have superior traits for success at an individual level — we don’t, at least not relative to NE Asians and Brahmin. What whites (and to be clear, we’re really just talking about intra-Hajnal whites) seem to have is a superior ability for building societies that are high-functioning and desirable in all sorts of ways. At least until they’re not.

      Wency

      October 29, 2020 at 5:48 PM

      • Correct. White Hipster towns are more desirable than upper class, professional bobo towns where the former attracts all kinds of creatives and aesthetic oriented entrepreneurs who give the place a “vibrant” vibe. The latter are just stuffy, over-priced living places that serves as a bedroom function for the “self-actualizing” professionals or the wealthy as a second home that draws striver groups like the Eastern Asiatics who they themselves could never build an attractive society on par with that of Whites.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 30, 2020 at 9:39 AM

      • I don’t see any advantage to western societies and cities over Asian societies and cities as long as they are rich enough. Nobody is immigrating to the west from rich and safe places, 90% of immigration is because of poverty or lack of safety and they immigrate to Asian cities exactly the same if they can, it is just that the good Asian countries don’t let immigrant in so much.

        Hashed

        October 31, 2020 at 4:42 AM

    • Jews were always in the West if you count Europe and Eastern Asiatics who come to the West are self selected as domesticated individuals who only follow rules.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      October 29, 2020 at 7:31 PM

  14. Also what do you guys think about Leon Black and Epstein. Black is a jew as well and the payments he was making look like blackmail money. This contradicts the idea that Epstein is a Mossad agent blackmailing gentile eliites to force them into stupid fucking wars for Mother Israel.

    The Philosopher

    October 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM

  15. Experience tells me that you’re right about liberals just plain not believing the evidence for racial IQ differences. You can argue with them; you can bring up the familiar one-standard-deviation or 15-point disparity that’s so often assumed in HBD circles; you can bring up Derbyshire’s rough rule of thumb (one out of six blacks with IQs above the white average, five out of six whites with IQs above the black average); you can bring up twin studies; you can bring up longstanding SAT and scholastic differences, etc. But the libs either haven’t heard this stuff — amazingly, it’s all news to them — or they dismiss it, just as they’ve been taught to, as the result of “cultural bias” in the tests, “bad neighborhoods” and “homes with no books” among blacks, and “the emphasis on education” among whites and Asians.

    You’re also right, I’m convinced — absolutely right — that “without HBD there’s no way to disprove ‘system racism.’” There are only two ways to explain away the obvious inequalities: Either they’re the result of small but significant genetic differences, innate and intractable, or they’re merely the result of bias and of black economic disadvantage — in which case it’s our duty to throw more money at the problem, step up racial preferences, bow to black resentment, and foster a sense of white guilt.

    So yeah, science is ultimately the only remedy.

    Here’s where I don’t entirely share your pessimism, at least not in the long run. True, it’s definitely harder to discuss these subjects now than it was back in 1969 (when Arthur Jensen’s study came out) and 1994 (when “The Bell Curve” was published). Today these reports are usually accompanied by the word “discredited”; even scientific journals have become shamelessly politicized. But — at the risk of sounding like Pollyanna — somehow, I like to think, genetic research goes on, even in areas widely considered taboo, and scientific knowledge eventually spreads, despite efforts to suppress it.

    Simon

    October 29, 2020 at 2:19 PM

  16. Tucker Carlson claims that the sole document that shows Hunter Biden guilty was lost in transit. No copies were made? Sounds very legit? Lol.

    mpt

    October 29, 2020 at 2:28 PM

  17. By HBD you mean lower average black IQ, but the casual reader may not know that. In several places you write “system racism” instead of “systemic racism”. I suggest revising your post on this important topic.

    Beliavsky

    October 29, 2020 at 4:27 PM

  18. Two words: peer pressure.

    I was watching a show that Ralph Story did about 25 years (Angelenos of a certain age will remember who he was), and there were a couple of segments on South Central and Val Verde. South Central was the hub of the black community in Los Angeles for many years, and it wasn’t a s**hole until well after World War II and the arrival of desegregation. Sure, there were poor blacks, but there were doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, and Pullman porters. Those middle class blacks exerted a considerable amount of peer pressure on their less fortunate relatives, because they did not have the option of moving to better (white) neighborhoods, and therefore had a vested interest in their neighborhoods not descending into chaos and poverty. Middle class values as the Lion might say.

    Val Verde was an interesting place too, a sort of black version of the Catskill resorts. Hotels, swimming, tennis, horseback riding, etc. etc., for black people only. Desegregation brought all that to an end, and the area reverted to what it had been, a small, outlying rural community. That is, until greater LA’s sprawl arrived in the 70s.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    October 29, 2020 at 6:09 PM

    • Lawrence Auster once made the same point, that without desegregation, the “talented tenth” would stay behind and help elevate and lead the black community.

      Hermes

      October 29, 2020 at 10:59 PM

  19. My fundamental issue with HBD is the idea that there is a one dimension human quality called intelligence that can be measured by IQ tests. It is clear to me that the qualities we associate with intelligence are multidimensional. Some people are very good at math. Some people are very good with speaking and writing. Some people have a very good sense of direction. Some people are good at visualizing things in 3D. Some people are very good at recognizing and remembering peoples faces. Some people are good at seeing through bullshit.

    IQ tests were originally developed to identify people who were mentally handicapped. IQ tests are fairly good at that. If you look at something like relationship between IQ and income, any correlation you get is almost entirely driven by the lower incomes of the lowest IQ ranges. If you look at the correlation for IQ greater than 100, there is none. IQ tests measure your ability to take IQ tests. There usefulness for anything else is limited.

    The average raw IQ test scores of all races has been rising over time. The average black score on the Stanford-Binet test in 1978 was comparable to the average white score in 1932. IQ tests are re-normalized so that at the time they are given the average score is always 100, but the tests have had to be made more difficult with time. Humans are not evolving on a time scale of 40 or 50 years. People are getting more exposure to abstract logic and that is improving their scores on IQ tests. This makes the idea that IQ scores are determined mostly by the genes doubtful.

    HBD has been tainted with a history of false data. Cyril Burt’s famous studies of identical twins separated at birth showed that IQ was almost all innate, but after his death it was found that he falsified much of his data. The more recent Thomas Bouchard study of identical twins found that in most cases the identical twins were adopted into similar middle class families and had similar IQs, but in a few rare cases where the families were not similar, there were large difference in the IQ. In one case there was a 29 point difference in the IQ between adult identical twins.

    In the last 20 years there has been a lot of research trying to find the genes responsible for intelligence. There have been a few claims, but they have not held up to review. Lots of scientist now think that hundreds or even thousands of genes influence intelligence because there is very little progress in this area.

    In the 25 years since the Bell Curve publication the scientific case for HBD has been getting weaker and weaker. The loudest proponents of HBD use it to argue the rich are wealthy because of better genes and the poor are a lost cause not worth wasting money trying to help. That is not an effective message in 21st century America. Wealth is not merit. Bad luck is not bad character. Poverty is not caused by bad genes.

    MikeCA

    October 29, 2020 at 7:54 PM

    • SAT scores, a more accurate measure of more practical intelligence than so-called IQ tests, have NOT been going up, and the gap between blacks and whites has not changed.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 29, 2020 at 10:39 PM

    • What you have shown is a D-K storm, almost all your points all hilariously false, primitive and all have been debunked and re-debunked for decades. Shows your lack of research due to confirmation bias.

      BAP

      October 30, 2020 at 11:19 AM

    • ” Some people are very good at math. Some people are very good with speaking and writing. Some people have a very good sense of direction. Some people are good at visualizing things in 3D.”

      IQ tests consist of multiple sub-tests that measure these different aspects of intelligence. But what you seem wholly ignorant of is the general intelligence factor, g. Performance on all of these sub-tests, and all cognitive demanding tasks period, are correlated. Some more strongly than others, but it means that intelligence CAN be represented by a single dimension. the idea that there are all these people with totally lop-sided inherent academic abilities is not based on empirical data. Most mathematicians are better than average at non-numerical cognitive tasks, they just tend to be exceptionally better at numerical ones. Low IQ people tend to be bad at all of these areas, just more bad in some than others.

      “Some people are very good at recognizing and remembering peoples faces.”

      Why on earth would you consider this to be a measure of intelligence? Does being exceptionally good at remembering faces strongly predict life outcomes? Academic performance? IQ isn’t arbitrary, what is measures is what explains differences in real world empirical outcomes.

      “IQ tests measure your ability to take IQ tests. There usefulness for anything else is limited.”

      They predict all life outcomes better than any other single measure

      “This makes the idea that IQ scores are determined mostly by the genes doubtful.”

      No, it means that the heritability of IQ has increased. Heritability isn’t a fixed, static thing. In the past there were drastic environmental differences within the US, but over time they have decreased, and now the biggest differences remaining are genetic. Seriously, you’re completely ignorant of the intelligence research literature.

      “HBD has been tainted with a history of false data. Cyril Burt’s famous studies of identical twins separated at birth showed that IQ was almost all innate, but after his death it was found that he falsified much of his data. ”

      Heritability estimates are not based on his data. There have been countless studies SINCE Burt that have demonstrated the high heritability of IQ.

      “In the last 20 years there has been a lot of research trying to find the genes responsible for intelligence. There have been a few claims, but they have not held up to review.”

      Wrong, so far around 25% of B/W IQ gap can be explained by specific genes, and this number is only increasing. Yet again, painfully ignorant of the actual scientific literature.

      “In the 25 years since the Bell Curve publication the scientific case for HBD has been getting weaker and weaker.”

      This is absolute nonsense. You can make the case for HDB with science only carried out after the bell curve was published and it would be a much stronger case than that presented in the bell curve. In the past 25 years, we have a greater quantity and quality of data showing that HDB is correct, and all of your points and other attempted refutations of HBD have consistently failed to be proven.

      “Wealth is not merit. Bad luck is not bad character. Poverty is not caused by bad genes.”

      This is literally not an argument. You think a little slogan magically refutes a vast scientific literature that disagrees with you? If what you were saying were true, the heritability of cognitive ability, lifetime earnings and criminality should be virtually zero, but they aren’t, they’re all really high. You’re just flat out denying science because you disagree with it.

      Tell me though, why are Asian Americans so “””lucky”””?

      Jason

      October 30, 2020 at 9:25 PM

      • “Does being exceptionally good at remembering faces strongly predict life outcomes?”

        It probably helps for doing sale and the like. But it’s not the same as IQ.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 2, 2020 at 4:42 PM

    • One of the other big factors to consider is that race (generally skin color) is a very poor marker for genetic make up. There are many instances were “blacks” are closer genetically to some white groups than other “black” groups across a wide variety of measures. Racial genetic make-up is valid in small groups (AKA marathon champions from one village instance), but comparing large segments in an inter-related block like we have is in many ways a false premise to start.

      Thath

      October 31, 2020 at 10:23 AM

      • No, this is nonsense. Genetic differences between races are mostly in the form of genetic clustering. Within continental racial populations, various alleles ‘cluster’ together, which is to say that having a particular allele strongly predicts having certain alleles at other loci for people within the same racial group. The overall genetic variation might be higher within certain populations, but that is not what matters. This is known as Lewontin’s fallacy and has been refuted for decades now, which suggests that you’re just repeating talking points you’ve heard, rather than having an understanding of the relevant literature.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

        Brett

        November 2, 2020 at 7:43 PM

    • As Lion pointed out, the gap remains the same.

      Most HBDers subscribe to a roughly 50-50 gene-environment mix. So one can certainly improve a test score, but the other guy can also improve his by the same amount.score, but the other guy can also improve his by the same amount.

      And identical twins raised apart can certainly have different scores. In an extreme case, one could have a tiger mom while the other gets a ball peen hammer. Raised in somewhat equal environments yields quite equal scores.

      bomag

      November 2, 2020 at 8:39 AM

  20. O/t – Lion’s prediction of the demise of NYC in the near future is refuted here by the IA professor, urban striver, Richard Florida who believes alpha cities will return to their stardom status as an attractive place for young people to work n mate, and not even mentioning the word telecommuting.

    He manages to say the wealthy have left for the Hamptons, but was somewhat confused about the Hudson Valley and couldn’t say it properly, given the fact that the average, urban jungle joe including Florida who’s from the NYC metro area rarely thinks about the Hudson Valley.

    Richard doesn’t look well under this lockdown. He might have issues with his health both physically and psychologically that are not uncommon of strivers.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    October 30, 2020 at 9:54 AM

    • I can’t take seriously anyone who is using a dumb fake Zoom background.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 30, 2020 at 11:35 AM

      • It’s not as prole as someone who is on Zoom and you can see the actual background of their bedroom.

        My prediction for the future is that the higher status types will brag about their Manhattan residency and their ability to navigate back and forth with their expensive or interesting home in the scenic outskirts within NY State. Telecommuting will be the norm, but showing up at the office is a status thing, and yet showing up for work in the city and spending time between their urban and outskirt residences in the process is the ultimate status marker.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 30, 2020 at 12:15 PM

      • By the way, I watched the video again and towards the end, Florida elaborates that American cities are unique and different from cities in other countries. He said that it’s harder to raise a family in an American city, the usual story that Whites don’t want to send their kids to a school full of disruptive NAMs that plague most schools in American urban areas. Without blacks, America would lose its capitalism bent. Things become less profitable for capitalists and the rentier class.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 30, 2020 at 3:08 PM

      • You never been to the City of Beacon in the Hudson Valley, but here is a recent NYT article about its popularity with city residents during the Covid-19 pandemic.

        I get the feeling that this place will eventually evolve into a SWPL Brooklyn by the countryside.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 30, 2020 at 5:45 PM

  21. I think there is a factor, more important than HBD or systemic racism, culture. We all know geniuses who have always just gotten by and unintelligent people who are very successful. These latter are people who work hard, are through and easy to get along with.

    Getting into trouble with the law, getting knocked-up while young and unmarried, not staying at a job long enough to advance, not completing your education: I think everyone, no matter how dumb, knows that these are not the key to success and yet they do them anyway. Self-control is learned and I think it is mostly learned from the people who raise you. If you’re raised by a single mom and part-time dad, who is in and out of jail and never has a steady job, that’s your template.

    David Pecchia

    October 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM

    • “unintelligent people who are very successful”

      Those types can be successful salespeople, but then they fall easily for scams and lose their money.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 30, 2020 at 11:36 AM

      • Those types can be successful salespeople, but then they fall easily for scams and lose their money.

        LOL

        Scammers tell me the more intelligent are easier to scam: communism; blank-slatism; wars in a foreign land; etc.

        bomag

        November 2, 2020 at 9:00 AM

      • Hmmm… probably rich athletes are the easiest to scam.

        I agree that rich proles have street smarts and are more suspicious compared to rich elites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 2, 2020 at 4:47 PM

      • Speaking of scams, tomorrow’s election day (if you post my comment on 11-02) is just the final culmination of the presidential electoral scam that proles tend to fall for as its primary victims. Just the insane amount of deranged individuals betting on one of the charlatans to help relieve them from the petty problems caused by their fellow men. Looking forward to at least some form of civil unrest in the streets of Manhattan again, because of it.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        November 2, 2020 at 7:15 PM

      • Is it intelligent to fall for scams like systemic racism and paying ridiculous amounts of money for processed and boxed edibles with organic stamps on them?

        Lets get razist!

        November 3, 2020 at 12:04 AM

  22. Everything you’ve said about liberals and HBD is true.

    But you’re wrong about the alt right. I’m Jewish, but I have consumed a lot of alt right content so I know what I’m talking about.

    Alt righters acknowledge that Jews have higher IQs than whites. But they point out that Jewish overrepresentation in elite colleges and careers exceeds what you would expect from IQ alone. Some sort of nepotism must be playing a role.

    Also most alt righters wouldn’t care that Jews are overrepresented among the elite if Jews stopped using their elite positions to push anti-white hatred. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve found an article from the NYT, Salon, the Washington post, etc. with a headline like “Whiteness must end” and then noticed that the author had a Jewish name. Here’s an example:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/11/17/abolishing-whiteness-has-never-been-more-urgent/

    The biggest grievance alt righters have against us is that most elite Jews insist on nationalism for Israel and unlimited third world immigration into Europe, America, and my country Canada.

    I know this comment is controversial but I hope that you allow it to be posted.

    JustJewish

    October 30, 2020 at 11:21 AM

    • I debunked that Jews are overrepresented at Harvard: https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2017/12/31/does-harvard-still-have-jewish-quotas/

      Jews are disproportionately intellectual leaders in all political movements because of their higher IQ, except they aren’t found in political movements that are specifically gentile (like Christian) or anti-Semitic (like the alt-right). Even then, one of the great Christian pre-alt-right writers, Lawrence Auster, was a Jew who converted to Christinianity.

      I think that low IQ proles, and even those with higher IQs who aren’t mathematical thinkers, just don’t understand the implications of the normal distribution probability function.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 30, 2020 at 11:37 AM

      • It’s semi-proven that Adolf Hitler had Jewish ancestry and the leaders of the Spanish Inquisition that stamped out anyone who wasn’t Catholic were all Jewish converts. So yes, Jews are the forefront of many movements, including those that are “anti-semitic” in nature.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        October 30, 2020 at 12:31 PM

      • I’m not sure that semi-proven is correct. I have written something about Adolf on my site under H is for…..Hitler, a page under World Menu. Otherwise you are spot on.

        I have also written about anti-semitic as this is incorrectly used by the Jews – it should be anti-jewish if anything

        alphaandomega21

        November 1, 2020 at 2:26 PM

      • Adolf Hitler also looked very Southern European like most of the Nazi top brass coming from an ideology of blue eyes and blonde hair superiority. His phenotype resembled that of Anne Frank, the celebrated Jewish teenager who wrote a diary before she died in the camps.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        November 2, 2020 at 8:25 PM

    • The biggest grievance alt righters have against us is that most elite Jews insist on nationalism for Israel and unlimited third world immigration into Europe, America, and my country Canada.

      Israel is 20-25% Muslim.

      Is that what you want “nationalism” to look like in Europe, America, and Canada?

      And the elite Jews are only weakly pro-Israel, and in some cases (like Sidney Bloomenthal) anti-Israel.

      The most pro Israel Jews, Orthodox Jews, are voting Trump 83-13, a 20 point increase over 2016.

      If you want elite Jews to be rightwing then you want them to be MORE ethnocentric.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM

    • Half of all Ivy League Jews are from mixed marriages.

      Since over 75% of secular Jews tend to intermarry with gentiles with comparable IQ, and class background, a disproportionate number of intelligent whites of college age will inevitably have some mixed white and Jewish background.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 30, 2020 at 5:17 PM

    • But they point out that Jewish overrepresentation in elite colleges and careers exceeds what you would expect from IQ alone. Some sort of nepotism must be playing a role.

      Most of the dissident right thinks either that A) Jewish overrepresentation in elite circles is simply due to IQ, or B) that it’s due to a combination of IQ and nepotism. Neither of those views is entirely correct.

      A major determinant of your success in a field is your desire for success in that field. Jews are smart, and they do favor other Jews somewhat. But a huge reason for Jewish (and more recently, Asian) overrepresentation in elite environments is simply that they are more obsessed with gaining access to those environments.

      Although he made certain methodological errors, Ron Unz was correct to point out that there are a lot more smart non-Jewish whites in the US than there are smart Jews. Even though Jews have higher average IQs, the smaller fraction of gentile whites with high IQs substantially outnumber them in absolute terms. But Unz was wrong to attribute non-Jewish white underrepresentation in the Ivy League solely to discrimination.

      This table from Hoxby & Avery (2013) shows how various demographic groups apply to colleges:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e1e3f6b49c4cb6776f445260b6e8d9865b8f5a1ce810ae552aa670a4523a102.png?w=800&h=370

      “Income-Typical” poor, smart kids apply to college like other poor kids, and “achievement-typical” poor, smart kids apply to college like smart, rich kids. See the huge disparity between whites and Asians. As the table shows, Low-income Asians are far more likely than low-income whites to be obsessed with elite degrees. Anyone who’s spent time around Asians in these environments can attest to this.

      In this respect, Jews behave a lot more like Asians than they do like non-Jewish whites. Note that the most famous test prep company is named “Kaplan”. LOTB’s obsession with elite credentials are true to form.

      Dery

      October 30, 2020 at 8:57 PM

      • If I have an “obsession with elite credentials,” it’s only because I learned that all the good law jobs were gated behind getting a degree from a top 14 law school.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 30, 2020 at 9:07 PM

    • Most elite Ashkenazi Jews don’t insist at all about nationalism for Israel, they are very much pro illegal immigration, pro Palestinian and pro everything which is anti religion, in Israel and outside Israel. It is because they just feel like they belong among inner city progressives because that’s were they live and this is their “group”. In that sense they are not different to any gentile from the same social environment.

      Hashed

      October 31, 2020 at 5:08 AM

    • Jewish-American liberals are usually center-left in regard to Israeli politics not nationalistic! , which means things like a commitment to a stupid “peace” process with the Palestinians and to the “two states” solution. They believe that the settlements are evil and criminal and that Israel should give up more land . They also in favor of absorbing the infiltrators from Africa and anti deportations . Generally they are in favor of actions that weakens Israel’s Jewish identity just like they are in favor of actions that weakens America’s white identity..

      Jewish-American radical lefties are usually anti-Zionist, terror apologist and supporter of Palestinian nationalism. They see Israel as a racist entity that should be canceled like the apartheid in south africa.

      So there is a good correlation ( not perfect) between how much an american jew is to the left on american politics to how much is to the left on Israeli politic .

      eyaldavid

      October 31, 2020 at 5:37 PM

  23. My guess is Jews will have declining influence. We are a small group that is aging rapidly. Not only do we have low birth rates, many Jews marry and have children with gentiles. This was taboo until fairly recently and will speed our decline.

    Jay Fink

    October 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM

    • An important question will be whether an Orthodox-to-Reformed pipeline continues.

      I observed at one point that virtually all secular Jews of significance in the 19th-20th centuries were at most, two generations removed from devout ancestors. If this pipelines continues, then given the swelling numbers of ultra-Orthodox, Reformed/secular Jews could remain relevant for quite some time if they manage to retain some degree of Jewishness for several generations.

      I also have a thesis that this is how Christianity will be, to a lesser degree, vis-a-vis the Anabaptists. I don’t believe America’s white population will ever be majority Anabaptist. Either Anabaptist family size will shrink, or attrition will increase, or both. But if the takeover is prevented mainly by high levels of Anabaptist attrition (suppose they still have 4+ children within a 1.5 TFR American society, but 50% of their children defect), then at some point, a very large percentage of Americans will have an Anabaptist ancestor within two generations, and this will probably have some wider effects on American culture.

      To be clear, this is basically 22nd century speculation.

      Wency

      November 2, 2020 at 10:40 AM

  24. Trump supporters insist that Trump has expanded the so-called “Overton window,” but I see no evidence of that in the arena of HBD.

    Well that’s HBD’s fault, not Trump’s.

    I warned you all for 10 years (well before Trump seriously considered running) not to let clowns like Richard Spencer turn HBD into the inferior reich, and ya’ll let it happen anyway.

    The irony is that the white supremacists themselves believe in systemic racism and deny the truth of HBD; they promote a narrative that Jews are racists and the white gentiles are the victims of Jewish racism.

    The problem is gentiles talking about Jews because gentiles aren’t any good at it – they always try to “mind read” what Jews are thinking based on what they’ve read in the Bible, or in internet forums.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    October 30, 2020 at 5:10 PM

  25. The amount of online censorship of anything deemed to be “racist” is increasing, and HBD has been co-opted by a bunch of dumb proles who may be called “alt right” or “white supremacists” or whatever.

    HBD would not be dead and buried if people had taken my advice from 10 years ago to kick out the antisemites and anti-Israel contingent before they cretinized the movement.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    October 30, 2020 at 5:21 PM

    • Jared Taylor of American Renaissance has spent decades trying to create a Jewish-friendly race realist movement, and that strategy has not reduced the attacks he’s faced by one iota.

      The fact is that HBD totally undermines the fundamental philosophical underpinnings of the modern West. “All men are created equal” is the most famous line in the most famous document in American history. Whatever Jefferson really meant by it is irrelevant now.

      The early days of the internet were an idyllic time. Because the space was dominated by nerds and the powerful weren’t yet paying attention, real discussions were possible. Trump’s election was a shock that provoked a reaction, and the window for frank discussion of dangerous topics is now closing steadily.

      Dery

      October 30, 2020 at 9:49 PM

      • Jews lean predominantly Democratic as in secular-oriented Jews who live in NYC and CA, the two strongest Democratic strongholds in America where Jews are mostly found. Jews are also over-represented as elites who also tend to favor the Democratic party.

        Then you have Chassidim Jews who vote like White gentile proles but draw welfare like NAMs.

        Jews are just different.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        November 2, 2020 at 6:44 PM

    • Jared Taylor is one of the few that took your advice. His Amren website is refreshing in that it has honest talk about race without the antisemitism.

      Jay Fink

      October 31, 2020 at 4:03 PM

    • Jared Taylor of American Renaissance has spent decades trying to create a Jewish-friendly race realist movement, and that strategy has not reduced the attacks he’s faced by one iota.

      Taylor was the only one.

      The antisemites overwhelmed and dumbed down the rest of HBD to a point where Taylor couldn’t stop it from being overrun by prole morons.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 2, 2020 at 6:34 PM

  26. Surely the situation with people who believe, in the face of all the evidence, that all the races of Man have the same average level of intelligence is similar to the predicament Communists in the West were in years ago. When a Communist regime such as the ones in Russia, or in China, did not deliver the peace and prosperity that was anticipated, then the Communists in the West would argue that the problem was not that Communism was wrong but that it had not been implemented properly, not tried hard enough. Of course, this excuse is now ridiculed and any Communists that are left would be unlikely nowadays to offer it.

    Now, sixty years ago it was perhaps a plausible hypothesis that blacks do less well in all walks of life, and even on tests of intelligence, because of Racism, just as 120 years ago it might have sounded plausible to some that Marxist doctrine was the correct account of history and that Communism would succeed. But as with Communism, we’ve now experienced decades of failure with respect to uplifting Blacks, even to White levels, let alone to the level of the Oriental. And, just as with Communism, the true believers are now doubling down. What we need, they say, is more over representation of blacks in the media, more special privileges for blacks, more laws to punish White people for Racism. Only when anti-racism measures are implemented properly and thoroughly will black underperformance be ameliorated.

    Since Race and IQ are related, and that IQ is perhaps the most salient factor of all in determining life outcomes, therefore whatever the powers that be do to eliminate the gap between Blacks and Orientals, if it involves – and it will – pretending that all the Races have the same level of intelligence, then it will fail. This we know for certain to be true. No matter how much money they spend, no matter how many laws they pass, no matter how they malign and suppress race realism, the liberal establishment, like the Communists, will never achieve their goal. One hopes that it will eventually come to pass that liberals proposing that Black failure is because anti-racism has not been tried hard enough will be ridiculed like the true believing Communists I have described.

    martin_2

    October 30, 2020 at 8:37 PM

    • Orientals (aka Eastern Asiatics) have yet to create societies on par with White people either in a quality of life dimension or an equity dimension. I know what many Orientals and their sympathizers are thinking…that Orientals are being sidetracked by White Racism in the Western world, yet these people are given the opportunity to practice tribal behavior and self determination which would put on them on equal footing with Whites, perhaps surpassing them, with or without consequences. Yet they and the blacks have not proven their capabilities up to this point and only cry racism.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      October 31, 2020 at 9:24 AM

  27. […] “destructure” wrote on Lion of the Blogoshphere’s […]

  28. Very nice summary of HBD issues, Lion.

    Thanks.

    Robert the Libertarian

    October 31, 2020 at 8:18 AM

  29. OT:
    More Rich and Mike’s Top Ten TNG Episodes – re:View

    Rich and Mike are back! This time they have another top ten episodes? Bottom ten? top 20 and this is the bottom 10? I have no idea what’s going on. Let’s just call it: Rich and Mike talk about TNG episodes they like.

    MEH 0910

    November 1, 2020 at 1:59 PM

    • Rich and Mike’s Second TNG Top Ten Video part 2 (of 2) – re:View

      I’ve gone cross-eyed! Heaven’s Gate! My word! Why let’s just call this “Rich and Mike talk some more about TNG episodes they like” this has gone off the rails! Let’s not continue to confuse ourselves. We should have thought this out more! Either way, Rich and Mike talk about more TNG episodes. Maybe they’ll talk about more in the future?

      One thing I can tell you as of right now, neither Rich or Mike have watched a minute of Star Trek Discovery season 3 so please stop asking. Mike and Rich have only watched the first episode of Lower Decks and then abruptly stopped, never to return to it.

      MEH 0910

      November 2, 2020 at 8:24 PM

  30. Hi from the UK

    Good discussions here, thank you.

    The real problem is assuming that racism is the problem. We are all part of the human race. If you believe in Darwin’s evolutionary theory you get inferior races, when in fact we are talking about tribes and families.

    Treat all colours as one (after all we range from pinky white to dark chocolate, not white to black – that’s what the extremists want. Misrepresent people, obscure the truth, and you get confusion and rage.

    Treat people as Royal souls and they will become that. Treat them as arse souls and they will become that. The choice is ours.

    Thank you again.

    Kind regards

    Baldmichael Theresoluteprotector’sson

    alphaandomega21

    November 1, 2020 at 2:39 PM

  31. Hey, Lion, do you believe in God?

    I remember you talking about Moses and the burning bush once, and you said that God merely told Moses he was God, as in not “a god,” to distinguish himself as the one true god. The way you wrote it made me think you believed it. Do you believe it?

    Anyway, I’m sorry for belittling your concerns about Covid early on when it was only in Asia, and I’m sorry that people you know died. I hope you find the time to post more, if you’re able.

    Lowe

    November 1, 2020 at 2:49 PM

  32. There are some people in the HBD community who think that HBD is so obvious that everyone must secretly believe in it. But they are wrong. Just as Christians genuinely believe in Jesus, liberals genuinely believe that there’s no difference in intelligence between blacks and whites, and their anger at anyone who says otherwise is very real and not just an act.

    Not endorsing your tiresome use of Christianity as an example of something that’s false, but it’s interesting to note that there is a subset of hardcore atheists who are analogous to said people in the HBD community: they claim nobody really believes in God, and religious people only say they do because they’re embarrassed to admit that they don’t.

    Hermes

    November 1, 2020 at 2:50 PM

  33. “There are some people in the HBD community who think that HBD is so obvious that everyone must secretly believe in it. But they are wrong.”

    I used to think that. But unfortunately, Yes, ppl really are that stupid. Funnily enough bright, professional trendy types I know are much more likely to believe utter bs than unfashionable, blue collar players, drug dealers, gangsters, spivs etc…

    David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

    November 1, 2020 at 3:50 PM

    • The higher your social class, the better you are at believing what elite society says you are supposed to believe.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 2, 2020 at 4:46 PM

      • Unless, a sizeable number of blacks move into SWPL neighborhoods and Eastern Asiatics do the same, but more so with their schools. Embracing equality goes out the door when SWPL types feel encroached or threatened by the people whom they deemed as humans who should be treated equally.

        Smarter proles tend to be realistic about race realism but they also come across as reactionary.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        November 3, 2020 at 9:01 AM

  34. MEH 0910

    November 1, 2020 at 9:55 PM

  35. LOTB,

    I hope you will do a post on the results of the election after it becomes clear who won. You could even tie in HBD by looking at which demographic groups voted in what amounts.

    superdestroyer

    November 2, 2020 at 4:10 PM

  36. Why HBD is failing to reach mainstream appeal ?
    Well one of the reasons might be that Steve Sailer the most important and dedicated HBD blogger,
    decided to publish his blog in the UNZ review with all the holocaust deniers, conspiracy nuts,
    anti Semites and anti Israel obsessed lunatics.
    Take a naive person full of doubts caused by the disparity between what his eyes see and what he is told to think, what are the chance that he will reach the UNZ review and think to himself that HBD people are good and normal?

    eyaldavid

    November 2, 2020 at 8:22 PM

  37. Why is HBD failing to gain converts?

    HBD is really nothing more than an austerity program. You may as well support raising taxes, taking away guns, offshoring jobs, importing scab labor, getting rid of cheap energy, getting rid of social security, getting rid of medicare, getting rid of welfare, or rationing healthcare, along with rolling blackouts, rolling wildfires, rolling riots, and rolling lockdowns…all at once.

    Why will no one support HBD? No one is going to put their lives on hold, miss important milestones, reduce their standard of living, make themselves worse off, or deny access to useful goods and services in support of some ideology that can be easily used against them.

    Look, why do blacks do so poorly compared to whites? Because most blacks live under democrat/leftist rule, where democrats profit mightily from black dysfunction because it is among blacks that Democrats run their social experiments first, refining the techniques before they roll it out to the general public.

    You can’t possibly argue against the Democrat accusation of “systemic racism” by claiming black biology makes them fail. That is a losing argument, for the reasons given above. You argue blacks live in Democrat cities and states, ruled by one-party Democrat machines. Democrats are the system under which most blacks live. This means that the whole system of implicit bias and systemic racism was somehow engineered right under the noses of these Democrat machines. So, are these machines either incompetent or complicit?

    Think of it this way:

    If the police arrest innocent citizens for defending themselves against criminals, then they do so because they are ordered to by Democrat mayors and governors.

    If the police stand by while rioters and looters burn down stores and murder people, then they do so because they are ordered to by Democrat mayors and governors.

    Sooooooo…

    If the police kneel on the neck of a black man or shoot blacks on the thinnest pretense of self-defense or imprison blacks on flimsy reasons at vastly disproportionate numbers, then don’t they do this under the orders of those same Democrat mayors and governors?

    This is Trump’s basic genius. Trump understands that you cannot win elections or govern a populace on an austerity program, which is why he avoids things like HBD.

    map

    November 3, 2020 at 12:55 AM

  38. Remember, there is an extra layer of cryptics involved here: HBD itself just means “Human Bio Diversity.” There is nothing about this that explains what you are talking about.

    map

    November 3, 2020 at 2:09 AM

    • HBD covers a lot of different topics. The various races and hybrids are all different from each other on a superficial level like skin and eye color and that’s HBD. But to say they differ from each other in temperament and intelligence is politically incorrect. And superficial qualities like skin color isn’t really superficial given that other races tend to avoid blacks.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      November 3, 2020 at 8:54 AM


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