Lion of the Blogosphere

The cult of Trump

For more than a decade I’ve been writing, from time to time, about the psychology of belief, and how people believe what they believe because other people believe it, and not because they know whether or not it’s true. Other people often means other people in their social group, or tribe, rather than all other people in general.

Until now, I’ve usually been critical or people in mainstream media or elite liberal circles believing in untrue stuff, or people believing in religion. But unfortunately, I now have to call out the fact that what one may call the red tribe has now gone all-in on believing that the election was “stolen” by the Democrats because of massive “fraud,” without any evidence that this is true.

Trump has somehow gone from being a real estate developer to reality TV star to politician and now to cult leader. (The general definition of a cult includes veneration of the cult’s leader, and belief in stuff that’s considered nonsensical outside of the cult. The cult of Trump is a secular cult; it doesn’t involve the belief in anything supernatural.)

I want no part of this cult. Any of my readers who are cult members should just leave and stop reading or commenting.

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Also, I don’t know how people can think that the electoral process is biased against Trump when Trump did way better than expected based on polls or logical thinking about the electorate. People who rightly called out Democrats for not accepting that Trump beat Hillary are now doing the same thing to Biden, but at a ten-times amped-up level.

If only Trump hadn’t discouraged his supporters from voting by mail, giving a big advantage to the other side (you want your supporters to vote by any which way possible), he might have even won re-election.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 23, 2020 at 1:08 PM

Posted in Biology, Politics

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  1. MEH 0910

    November 23, 2020 at 1:32 PM

  2. MEH 0910

    November 23, 2020 at 1:59 PM

  3. What you need to realize is that over the last 20+ years the Right has built a media bubble around its supporters. This political/entertainment media bubble tells them what to believe and tells them not to believe anything from the MSM. Now they are even trying to tell supporters not to believe what they see with their own eyes or hear with their own ears. They have essentially created an alternate reality. Trump both lives in that alternate reality and tries to bend that alternate reality to his own liking.

    This alternate reality use to be controlled by FOX News/Rush Limbaugh/talk radio but in the last five years or so they have started to lose control of the alternate reality to characters like Alex Jones and faceless/nameless people on FaceBook, Twitter, Discord, Reddit, 4chan, 8chan, …. While many of these characters are just charlatans out to make a fast buck off the gullible, there is no question that Russia, Iran, China and probably other foreign actors are trying to manipulate these forums to destabilize the USA. Many of Trumps strongest supporters now hate FOX News because its reality distortion field is too weak for them. They want the alternate reality of QAnon instead.

    It was the right wing reality distortion field and Trump’s skill in manipulating it that made him the winner in 2016. Now his core base has moved on to QAnon. FOX is just weak tea for them.

    Trump completely failed to deal with COVID because he tried to use the reality distortion field of the right wing media bubble against a virus, but the virus was a real world threat that fantasies will not make go away.

    The interesting thing is that Lion is able to see thru the COVID and election fraud reality distortion fields that the right is trying to throw up around him but he is still trapped in the reality distortion field around climate change.

    MikeCA

    November 23, 2020 at 2:41 PM

    • Just as Trump can’t prove election fraud, the left can’t prove climate change, it’s just something they believe because of mainstream media bubble.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2020 at 4:46 PM

      • Election fraud narratives are fake because virtually every state (except demographically unusual states like Florida, Nevada, and California) swung some 2.5 points’ margin against Trump (more in New England and states dominated by fast-growing metros like Georgia). Climate change is also real because almost every year brings still hotter global weather and the greenhouse effect makes logical sense. But I don’t think turning New York into South Carolina will be the end of the world.

        pithom

        November 23, 2020 at 4:53 PM

      • They can’t “prove” it in a sense. But at least there is evidence to support it. Unlike the Trump election “fraud”

        Thath

        November 23, 2020 at 10:06 PM

      • I think the mail in ballots certainly have the potential for fraud. I also think it is pretty bizarre that Biden got so many more votes that Obama.

        Alice

        November 24, 2020 at 6:57 PM

      • I think the truth is simply what you said before, demographic change. After 4 years, some old folks have passed on and aren’t voting, and 4 years worth of younger more diverse folks have started voting. I am not talking about young people 18-21, just younger people, 28-31 or so. They are poorer and they want more free stuff because they need it. They want to tax you for it.

        Alice

        November 24, 2020 at 7:37 PM

    • MikeCA spent years howling about Trump working for the Russians. Now he accuses others of being in a “political/entertainment media bubble”. hehe

      destructure

      November 25, 2020 at 7:54 AM

      • It’s definitely easier to see the other side’s stupidity than your own side’s stupidity.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 25, 2020 at 8:53 AM

      • The Mueller report and the bi-partisan Senate Intel committee report clearly show:

        1) Russia tried to help Trump and oppose Clinton in the 2016 election by spreading disinformation on social media and by hacking/stealing/leaking emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign.

        2) Paul Manafort, who had worked as a campaign advisor to a pro-Russia party in Ukraine, was working for free as Trump’s campaign manager. He was in frequent clandestine communication with a Ukrainian who is believed to be a Russian agent specializing in election interference. He had a meeting in August 2016 with that suspected Russian agent and shared internal polling data and campaign strategy with him. He was expecting to be paid several million dollars by that suspected Russian agent while receiving no payment from the Trump campaign.

        3) Trump’s son, Manafort, and Kushner met with a Russian Lawyer with Kremlin connections offering them dirt on Clinton and spelling out that what Russia wanted was the Magnitsky sanctions lifted.

        4) Mike Flynn was a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency until he was forced to retire in 2014. In 2015 he spoke at a conference in Moscow for RT, the Russian state news agency and sat next to Vladimir Putin at a dinner. Flynn was paid $45,000 for his speech but failed to disclose this on his US government disclosure forms during the Trump campaign or after he was made National Security Adviser.

        5) In Dec 2016 Mike Flynn had several phone calls with Russian Ambassador Kislyak asking Russia to block a UN resolution sanctioning Israel and asking Russia not react to US sanctions that the Obama administration had just announced in retaliation for the Russian interference in the election. (The UN resolution passed but Russia did not react to the new Obama sanctions.) These phone calls were probably not illegal, but when questioned by the FBI about these calls Flynn lied about the content of the calls suggesting he thought there was something illegal about them. He was probably trying to cover up the fact that he was carrying out instructions from senior officials in the Trump transition team and perhaps from Trump himself. Actually I would hope he was doing this on instructions from Trump and not as a rouge actor, but he apparently thought he was lying to protect Trump.

        These facts do not prove a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia. In fact to me they seem to suggest that Russia was trying to infiltrated the Trump campaign with pro-Russian assets and compromised individuals that they could manipulate in the future.

        Clearly there needed to be an investigation of the attempted Russian interference in the 2016 election, but it probably should not have been a strictly criminal investigation which is what Mueller was charged with doing.

        MikeCA

        November 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM

      • MikeCA was right about Trump and Putin. The Mueller report and the Senate bipartisan report both documented significant Russian interference. Trump’s servile behavior towards Putin is only circumstantial evidence, but has been an embarrassment for the US for the Last four years even if you don’t think it was straight up collusion. Posters here are either blinkered by partisan blinders, or, in many cases clearly prefer the US were led by a Putin-Style authoritarian government and thus don’t see Trump’s behavior as disloyal. The GOP will never be able to portray itself as the party strong on national security issues ever again.

        Peter Akuleyev

        November 27, 2020 at 2:20 AM

  4. Do you actually believe that walking corpse Biden got more votes than saintly Obama? The election fraud is so obvious that people who don’t see it are willfully blind. This is way bigger than hardcore Trump supporters. Around 30% of Democrats believe there was election fraud. Not to be insulting, but wanting Trump supporters to stop reading your blog makes you sound as unhinged as the TDS left.

    Rons

    November 23, 2020 at 3:01 PM

    • Thank you for copying and pasting QAnon talking points.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2020 at 4:47 PM

      • Thank you for copying and pasting QAnon talking points.

        Still makes a point. Kind of strange that Biden got more votes than Obama.

        bomag

        November 25, 2020 at 7:20 AM

      • Higher turnout, higher population, more votes for everyone. Plus no third party candidates stealing votes either.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 25, 2020 at 8:53 AM

      • Biden didn’t get votes, he benefited from the anti-Trump votes. People just really really really hate Trump. Biden was simply the safe alternative for a lot of educated white voters.

        Peter Akuleyev

        November 27, 2020 at 2:23 AM

      • Higher turnout, higher population, more votes for everyone.

        Yes, to some extent; but there were plenty of suspicious uses of mail in ballot, and ballot dumps of suspicious voting percentages.

        And the lack of interest in investigating any of this is rather discomfiting.

        bomag

        November 27, 2020 at 8:39 AM

  5. MEH 0910

    November 23, 2020 at 3:10 PM

    • Nah; Trump was always doomed to lose Georgia unless he got closer to Kemp margins in rural areas. It was clear from the Kemp-Abrams race the college Whites that voted for Hillary Clinton and then Stacey Abrams were gone for Trump and were not coming back to the Republican Party. The Atlanta metro is also quickly demographically changing, and that’s going to put a damper into any Republican prospects of winning Georgia after 2022.

      pithom

      November 23, 2020 at 5:12 PM

    • If the Republican’s had not been hugely successful in suppressing votes Trump would likely have lost even more than he did. Among other things they intentional cut down polling places and created lines to drive away voters and disallowed reasonable voting changes due to Covid in areas that lack republican support, they made mail in balloting as difficult as possible. Their goal was to not count votes and to prevent people from voting. And they’ve said as much, this isn’t a Democratic talking point, its a Replubican one.

      Thath

      November 23, 2020 at 10:10 PM

      • If the Republican’s had not been hugely successful in suppressing votes…

        Blah. It’s not that hard to vote. Complainers just want the door open for chicanery.

        bomag

        November 25, 2020 at 7:18 AM

  6. I read Not Born Yesterday for the Razib Khan book club and although it was hit and miss, one useful concept I pulled out of it was Dan Sperber’s idea of ‘reflective beliefs’, as opposed to ‘intuitive beliefs’. Basically, reflective beliefs have no practical consequence for your actual actions (or people behave as if they don’t even though they ought to if they were intuitively held). Stupid, sheep-like, follow-the-crowd beliefs tend to be reflective since it’s an easy way to signal solidarity with the ingroup that has little or no practical cost. Beyond un-evidenced conspiracies like Democrats stealing the election (or Russia/Republicans in 2016), hot button political topics tend to be reflective as well. Almost no one who is passionately pro-life or pro-choice will actually be in a situation to consider having an abortion, and although it is theoretically dire, all but the most obsessive climate change activists behave as if it were not actually that big of a deal.

    Jokah Macpherson

    November 23, 2020 at 3:52 PM

    • If you’re a woman under the age of 40 or so, you MIGHT need an abortion, so they’d like to keep the option open.

      Or if you have a daughter, or a sister or a granddaughter who MIGHT need an abortion, once again, you’d like to keep the option available for them.

      People have had the option for almost 50 years, people don’t like to give up what they have.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2020 at 4:50 PM

      • While you and I probably disagree as to how late in a woman’s pregnancy she should be able to get an abortion, I do concur with you that the anti-abortion stance of the Republican party is stupid and counterproductive.

        Stealth

        November 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM

      • The logical position, if you care about babies not being killed, would seem to be anti-abortion, but strongly in favor of sex ed in schools and access to cheap contraception. That is not uncommon in Europe, but a rare combination in the US, which is why I don’t think most “pro-life” people are acting in good faith. A lot of “pro-life” people of a more religious bent seem more concerned with stopping women from having sex at all than reducing abortions. The eugenic position (access to abortion/contraception reduces white babies while NAMs breed like rabbits) may have an element of truth to it, but doesn’t deal with the fact that elite whites are not going to change their behavior simply because you made abortion illegal.

        Peter Akuleyev

        November 24, 2020 at 7:43 AM

      • @Peter:

        Christianity isn’t utilitarian, and this is a point in its favor — utilitarianism is a loathsome philosophy. What Christians care about is teaching truth, and the truth presented in the Bible is that it is right and proper to abstain from both fornication and infanticide.

        But I’m not really even convinced of the efficacy of what you’re describing. Western Europe, other than Germany, has abortion rates broadly in line with the US, particularly after adjusting for the high black abortion rate in the US. And many places in the West still have tougher restrictions on abortion than the Democrat-run US states.

        You’ll find that “abstinence-only” areas of the US have higher levels of unplanned pregnancies, but I’ve never seen anyone try to disentangle the class issues inherent in this. I also think that only a fool would expect schools to singlehandedly instill good sexual values that run contrary to the lessons of mainstream culture, but there are plenty of such fools in this country. Still, as a father myself, I’d rather the schools complement the lessons I’m teaching at home, rather than contradict them.

        However, I do think when it comes to politics, many fellow Christians haven’t gotten the memo that this isn’t our country anymore. I do believe it’s right and proper for a community with a broad consensus on sexual mores to mandate those mores by law and punish violators. But that approach doesn’t exactly work when the “violators” are over 50% of the population and also control all the levers of power. All you’re going to do is piss people off. Better instead to focus on using the laws to let us maintain our own walled garden: live and let live.

        Wency

        November 24, 2020 at 8:49 AM

  7. It is negative partisanship. Most of Trump’s supporters do not want the Democrats to have power for any reason. Thus, Trump’s supporters will tolerate the stupidity, the narcissism, the sociopathic behavior or Trump along with the inability of the Republicans to develop policy or functionally govern just to keep the Democrats out of power. During the election, the Trump campaign create enough reasons for people to stick with the Republicans (AOC, socialism, ACB Supreme Court nomination, endless wars, antiracism). If Trump had been as good at responding to Covid19 response was Gov. Mike Dewine (R-Ohio) or just outsourced the response to VP Pence, President Trump would have been re-elected.

    On a side note, I have noticed the use of the term socialism as the handshake that gives away the true believing dead enders. They have developed the verbal tick that everything they disagree with is socialism just like everything to deal with Covid-19 is referred to as lockdowns.

    superdestroyer

    November 23, 2020 at 3:53 PM

    • Is that kind of like how everything Democrats disagree with is a threat to democracy?

      Stealth

      November 23, 2020 at 9:32 PM

      • I always thought the problem with Democrats is that they have defined democracy is that they win everything. Ezra Klein, now with the NY Times, has this verbal tick.

        superdestroyer

        November 24, 2020 at 1:27 PM

  8. Trump has managed to capture the votes of the Evangelicals and other die hard conservatives who oppose divorce and he is anything but that. So yes, Trump has cult followers who forego their religious convictions and vote pragmatically for a guy who can give them a voice.

    Ok, what, who's this again?

    November 23, 2020 at 4:01 PM

    • Religion to conservatives is a Chinese buffett. Pick and choose.

      mpt

      November 23, 2020 at 5:43 PM

    • What you call cult is completely rational behaviour. It’s in their best interest to have a president who doesn’t hate them and Christianity. Why does it even matter how many divorces he had?

      Rons

      November 24, 2020 at 3:14 AM

      • Lion mentioned Trump’s cult-like appeal is secular in nature and it is secular when it comes to the Evangelicals who see him as an outsider who feels their pain.

        His cult-like appeal with the Chassidim Jews is also secular but it takes on a more religious dimension of what Trump could do like a supporting their religion. One of them being that mask wearing is hindrance to their religious life.

        Trump’s cult of personality is even stronger now with proles after catching the virus and recovering from it and it fits his narrative that it was harmless.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        November 24, 2020 at 10:27 AM

  9. Trump’s legal team is the best though.

    Meanwhile urging all conservatives to ignore CDC warnings as they are all politics driven. Enjoy Thanksgiving, mingle with family. Let the libtards worry about covid.

    mpt

    November 23, 2020 at 4:18 PM

  10. The Trump cult is not entirely secular. Many Trump fans sincerely believe he was chosen by God. And the only way a devout Christian can support Trump, given his very public record of living a sinful life and not observing any Christian sacraments, is to believe Trump has been literally chosen as God‘s messenger on earth. On top of that, the increasingly bizarre pedophile theories that a lot of Trump fans have about Dems and Elites require a belief in supernatural agency (often demonic) to explain just the logistics of how these massive child kidnapping operations would work.

    Peter Akuleyev

    November 23, 2020 at 4:26 PM

    • Believing that liberal elites are all secretly engaging in massive child molestation, definitely non-supernatural (though quite unlikely).

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2020 at 4:52 PM

    • Yes, Trump also has a large following of Chassidim Jews in the NYC tri-state area. When push comes to shove, god oriented proles realize that for a moment that secular human reason proves more effective than religiosity and superstition. Trump comes across as a pragmatic problem solver for those who are not. Trump’s agreeableness is secular in nature to religious communities who connects his secularism with religious themes.

      Lion thinks Trump is an idiot for not setting a good example of mask wearing for proles. It’s partisan politics, where Democrats are enforcing mask wearing while he should not in order to capture their opposing demographic. Trump understands well that proles would never follow this mandate well since prole culture is undisciplined for this kind of thing. Furthermore, he caught the virus and he recovered from it and this goes along his narrative that the virus is 99% harmless. And for religious proles such as the Chassidim to wear masks, it goes against certain religious practices of rituals or cultural habits. So Trump is this secular man who shares the same belief.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      November 23, 2020 at 7:10 PM

    • “Many trump fans” = a tiny percentage of trump voters

      And regardless of the validity of pedophile conspiracies, they absolutely do not require ‘supernatural agency’ as formulated by the majority of those who promote them. Did Jeffrey Epstein require ‘supernatural agency’ for all the messed up shit he did? No, of course not. Now just imagine that there’s dozens of Epstein like characters in America that have never been found out Not saying it’s true, but it categorically more reasonable than what you’re portraying things as.

      Brett

      November 23, 2020 at 11:02 PM

      • When my high school Trumpist friends talk about Epstein, Biden and paedophiles the word “demonic” pops up often, and they mean it literally. A large percentage of American proles take angels and demons very seriously. That’s also how they handwave away Trump’s long friendship with Epstein, the allegations from 13 year olds against Trump and the fact that Epstein conveniently died under Barr’s watch. All part of God’s plan apparently and a fight against a demonic Deep State controlled by Satan.

        Peter Akuleyev

        November 24, 2020 at 1:53 AM

  11. Thank heavens Joe Biden is on the case to root out the systemic racists that believe in crimethink like HBD….

    cliff arroyo

    November 23, 2020 at 5:07 PM

    • AOC will help him compose a list of them.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      November 26, 2020 at 7:43 PM

  12. The Trump fans have already left.

    I will check back in 4 years from now, and see how you compare the Trump and Biden administrations on immigration, judges, taxes, foreign wars, economic growth, trade, free speech, etc. I am expecting Biden to be worse on every single major issue. And some issues will be disastrous, like immigration.

    I am also expecting this blog to be canceled, if you say the sorts of things that you used to say.

    Roger

    November 23, 2020 at 5:50 PM

    • “I am also expecting this blog to be canceled, if you say the sorts of things that you used to say.”

      And I’m expecting you’ll think that if only we re-elected Clut Leader Trump, he’ll have done something about it. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      Alexander Turok

      November 24, 2020 at 12:01 AM

      • Biden is ALREADY appointing “systematic racism” “scholars” to top posts in his administration. Trump would never, ever do this.

        Brett

        November 24, 2020 at 5:28 PM

    • Trump did make some short-term progress on immigration, I give him that. But I think longer term he has just done more damage to the cause. He pitched his strategy at proles – build walls and treat illegals as harshly as possible. The first element mostly went nowhere, the second worked pretty well, but alienated precisely the college educated Republicans that need to be persuaded if we want real political change. Trump also focused on the crime aspect of immigration rather than the economic impact it has on the poor and minorities who are American citizens. An opportunity to win more black votes (and maybe some lefty white votes) was thus squandered. The end result is that the (non-existent) Wall will become a joke and symbol of failure, ICE has been demonized and as soon as COVID ends every business owner is going to be lobbying hard to bring cheap labor back to work in their businesses. Biden will definitely be bad, but Trump will own part of the coming disaster because he did nothing to build a sustainable American consensus on this issue. “Owning the Libs” may feel good, but it is counterproductive if you end up making the pro-immigration people seem like the reasonable humane side.

      Peter Akuleyev

      November 24, 2020 at 7:56 AM

  13. I like Trump because he did a good job on couple of issues I care about and at least had some good intentions to do a good job on other things I care about but you can’t ask a politician to be perfect. The Covid situation is a mess everywhere and I don’t see other countries doing so much better so I don’t understand your hysterics about it, luckily I live in a place where I hardly notice the whole Covid thing, never had to even put a mask even once. I think you also don’t understand the whole qanon movement, I don’t think most people believe in it literally, it is more symbolism and tongue in cheek, maybe some dumb people take it literally but who cares, the point about having a political class which doesn’t care about the simple men well being while still having control is pretty standard and take shapes in one or another way every couple of years so now it is the qanon turn. It is not that wrong either in principle.

    Hashed

    November 23, 2020 at 6:37 PM

  14. Glad to see you back in “long” form, Lion. Thanks!

    I think there are many owho HOPE there’s compelling evidence of election fraud but aren’t cult-like about it. I’m willing to wait, watch and hope.

    Only in the last year have I found myself disagreeing with you much (before that it was only your Star Trek fandom that I didn’t share or understand). You are like a smarter older brother though so if you don’t tire of calling things as you see them and taking us on in the comment section, I certainly won’t tire of reading you.

    RD from Sacramento

    November 23, 2020 at 6:42 PM

  15. Trump should have actually done some stuff he promised in 2016 to keep white men voting for him. He lost 5% of white men but gained in ever other demographics. White men lost Trump his re-election bid.

    White

    November 23, 2020 at 7:56 PM

  16. Most of his voters don’t like his demeanor, or his constant bullshitting, but they value him because he said things other Republicans were afraid to say or didn’t believe. I would have thought a whole lot more of him if he had behaved like an adult after taking office. I still voted for him. You might think it absurd to have Donald Trump as your president, but the Democrats are openly anti-white and anti-free speech, which makes a Biden presidency a hell of a lot worse.

    Stealth

    November 23, 2020 at 9:41 PM

  17. Lion,

    Your rejection of Trump underlines how you, a Jew, differ from right-wing gentiles.

    Jews, even right-wing Jews, have an innate attachment to rationality. This is why you right-wing Jews will always be the odd man out in MAGA world.

    MAGA cultists don’t care about rationality and they never have. Theirs is the world of Obama was born in Kenya and QAnon.

    These conspiracies are harmless until they’re not. It now endangers the very legitimacy of our 200 year old electoral system in the eyes of half the country.

    You as Jew have a keen interest in preventing conspiracy theorists from gaining power, as your people always find themselves at the center of a conspiracy as quickly as Trump finds himself at the center of a twitter controversy. It won’t be long before the MAGA crowd starts saying the globalists at the center of QAnon are… you know!

    Don’t let this be a one-off denunciation. You must consider at a deeper level whether it is in your interest to continue to be a supporter and prolific mouthpiece for the right-wing. With Trump, you’ve seen the danger we moderates have long predicted.

    ModerationSavesLives

    November 23, 2020 at 11:12 PM

    • Chassidim Jews are certainly not rational and there is a reason why they are followers of Trump. They hate wearing masks, just like the guidos in Staten Island, and the proles throughout America who hate wearing masks and taking Covid-19 seriously. Trump and his supporters believe the seriousness of the pandemic is a farce and it disrupts their priorities in life that are the most important even if someone’s health could be jeopardized by it.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      November 24, 2020 at 12:30 AM

    • MAGA cultists don’t care about rationality and they never have.

      Please. Left/liberal/progressive have a pathetic record of pushing less than rational views on race/crime/economics/male-female differences/etc.

      When the knock comes on your door for bad thinking, it is far more likely to be a left-winger than right-winger.

      bomag

      November 25, 2020 at 8:00 AM

  18. There’s a lot of us who are profoundly disappointed in Trump, not cultists at all, who voted for him despite his buffoonery and impotence, because he isn’t our enemy.

    So, Lion, did you ever go back into the stock market? If so, when? If not, what are your plans?

    Kosher Kowboy

    November 24, 2020 at 10:31 AM

    • Trump’s loss is similar to what happens when an airplane crashes. Planes don’t crash because one thing goes wrong, they crash because multiple things go wrong at once. In Trump’s case, take away any one of the things arrayed against him (e.g. Covid, media hostility, GOP establishment opposition, his own lack of focus, poor advice from Jared Kushner) he might have been able to salvage a win. But against all those things added up, he stood no chance.

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      November 24, 2020 at 12:56 PM

    • Many pundits have argued that most people voting for Trump were just voting against DEmocrats due to negative partisanship. HOwever, the cultist are the ones who voted for Trump because they believe Trump was a very good president. That is the delusional part of politics.

      superdestroyer

      November 25, 2020 at 8:00 AM

  19. President Kamala.
    Bad for the US
    Bad for Israel

    steven

    November 24, 2020 at 11:28 AM

  20. Republicans in GA need to stay home and usher in a new era of Dem hegemony in the Senate. The Trumpist wing of the party absolutely must assert its bargaining power for future administrations.

    The GOPe must learn.

    SWPL2

    November 24, 2020 at 12:55 PM

    • Is there any difference between Trump and the GOPe other than the fact that Trump talks like a dumb prole?

      Alexander Turok

      November 25, 2020 at 11:37 PM

  21. did Obama have a cult following?

    Joe Joe

    November 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM

    • More like a massive hoard of fan boys. However, there was less in the Obama Administraiton that need massive amounts of spin and distraction.

      superdestroyer

      November 25, 2020 at 3:35 PM

  22. I have lived in Park Slope (liberal upper middle class) and Staten Island (prole).
    The proles are kinder, friendlier, more tolerant, more fun, and more honest.
    You should not look down on Trump because proles like him and upper middle class liberals hate him. Those are both votes in Trump’s favor.

    Amused Observer

    November 24, 2020 at 7:47 PM

    • Speaking of Park Slope and Staten Island in the hinterlands. You got ranting me of the Hudson Valley and the northern reaches of New York State. The dynamics of friendly vs non-friendly has to do more with economic class more than liberal vs the prole demographic. I do find a significant group of standoffish people in areas of wealth regardless of their liberal or conservative leanings north of New York City. So a place like wealthy Saratoga Springs, NY, which is a Republican stronghold is quite unfriendly, where as the neighboring area of Lake George which reminds me of Staten Island, also a Republican stronghold, but working class is quite the opposite. Saratoga Springs which is upper middle class/upper class and conservative shares a common trait with the Bobos of Park Slope. Bobos are SWPLs who are in the upper class range with median incomes that are usually greater than $300K.

      Now in the Hudson Valley, we have cities like the City of Hudson in the upper regions. This place is populated with a sh!t ton of Park Slope types with their 2nd homes in the countryside whom I find not to so friendly and they vote Democrat. Further down, we have the City of Beacon, which is a Hipsterville vs Hudson which is more of a Boboville, also Democrat leaning, but the residents overall are friendlier due to lower incomes, and friendlier than the proles in places like Putnam County just south of it who have higher incomes and vote Republican.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      November 25, 2020 at 12:54 PM

  23. WHAT WAS TRUMP?

    “It did nothing!!!!!!! NOTHING!!!!

    “Come now, you can’t expect much with 4 measely bags of TNT. Give it time for nature to take its course”

    FORCE 10 FROM NAVERONE

    Anonymous

    November 24, 2020 at 11:27 PM

  24. Of course there was election fraud. There will always be some election fraud in a country with hundreds of millions of people. Whether there’s enough to matter is anyone’s guess. But one wouldn’t know unless it’s investigated. So I’m fine with questioning the results and investigating.

    Regardless, the real election fraud is the wilfully dishonest msm. There’s no fair election without a “free press”. And there hasn’t been a “free press” in decades. Like I’ve said for years, democracy is a fraud. Amazingly, Trump still would have won if he hadn’t been such a jackass.

    The real issues have always been national security, economics, trade deficits, immigration, never-ending wars and, of course, leftist bullshit. Yet, Leon jumps ship over a virus that the federal gov’t doesn’t even have the authority to manage. How ironic that not one but TWO effective vaccines were announced only a week or so after the election. So Leon voted based on an issue that will be all but irrelevant next year.

    destructure

    November 25, 2020 at 9:11 AM

    • I pointed this out back in September:

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 25, 2020 at 9:24 AM

      • But who knows if the Chinese Vaccine actually works and is safe. China is not a high trust society and since the government is the organization developing and testing the vaccine, there are massive conflicts of interest.

        superdestroyer

        November 25, 2020 at 3:36 PM

  25. As perhaps the only person on this thread who has been an observer manager in a recounted statewide election where mail in ballots were the primary voting vehicle and the election was stolen, anyone who believes that 1) elections are hard to steal; and 2) that mail in elections aren’t particularly easy to steal, is an imbecile, end stop. In our case we had 1,300 more mailed in ballots counted than registered voters in one large county that was 70/30 in favor of Ds. A minor election official witnessed D appointed election workers going into the cage for ‘invalids’, those being ballots with some form of insufficient validation, and putting them through the ballot counting process, in essence, validating them. After reporting that event to two or three people, the official was put on administrative leave and disappeared. Only surfacing months later in election litigation where the official clammed up. Some assume her retirement was put at jeopardy. Also, as insurance I suppose, they found bags of ballots in the basement of an African American church that had also been an election precinct after the election. All counted, of course.

    At every step of the process Ds got favorable rulings on issues that would make further favorable rulings in favor of the Rs nearly impossible. For instance, when the newly found ballots were challenged prior to counting, a trial level court judge who was also the D Governor’s former campaign manager got assigned the case somehow. He, not surprising, refused to withhold counting the new ballots until their legitimacy could be assessed. When the case finally came to trial the case to require a new election was defeated by a ruling by another trial court level judge that it was at that point impossible to determine that uncounted ballots comprised of countywide invalids (a random sample of countywide ballots) in a 70/30 county wouldn’t have a different split and that new ballots appearing after the election in an 80+ Democrat precinct couldn’t be known to reflect that vote split and thus the margin of proving voting irregularities sufficient to mandate a new election couldn’t be met.

    Vote by mail is evil.

    Curle

    November 25, 2020 at 10:54 AM

  26. Conservatives are up the creek.

    The problem is that hardly any conservatives will fight for anything. Trump has more fight in him in than the next 100 conservatives combined.

    The left is for all the worst things. Open borders, sterilizing kids in the name of trans, censorship, war in the middle East and with Russia, loving criminals and hating police. This should be easy to fight against but most conservatives are constitutionally averse to fighting.

    When the chips are down, most ‘conservatives’ will shoot at their own side. That includes LOTB.

    Now LOTB’s city is in ruins, because of his hero Andrew Cuomo. Tell me more about who is the cultist.

    Dan

    November 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM

  27. What do you think of notion that current mitigation measures are counterproductive? Ie if we don’t do the smart thing and institute compulsory contact tracing and isolation of infected, we can’t really stop the spread and just ruin the economy for nothing.

    Based in Baltimore

    November 25, 2020 at 6:58 PM

  28. The ultra orthodox in Israel decided to ignore the government instructions and the schools are now open for couple of months and yet the numbers of corona cases among them are so low that the government now trying to figure out what is the reason for that. It seems like they started to protect the old but let the young ones to get infected, almost every family had some young ones who got infected and in most cases just went through it with no symptoms. Australia also was very relaxed, schools were open after a month or so and actually never closed completely, no masks and most businesses are operating now as usual, yet almost no corona. It seems that Trump was right, it is just another disease that if people were not too hysteric about it it just burn off and go away after a while. You were nagging us about schools and doom and gloom but it seems that the severity of the disease is going down everywhere even though nobody follows instructions that much. What a waste of time, money and energy, buy a place in NY right now if they actually went down, it is not going to last.

    Hashed

    November 26, 2020 at 6:00 AM

  29. Any of my readers who are cult members should just leave and stop reading or commenting.

    I would survive, but would also frankly be disappointed, if I really thought this was The End of being a Lion commenter, after so many years.

    The real question here is about epistemology. How does a person know what is true?

    Every time I’ve asked myself whether any of the outlandish Trump theories could possibly be true, and who’s crazy, the mainstream or me, I look at what’s been sold as mainstream before, and I decide, nope, I’m not the crazy one.

    Many people feel that 9/11 “opened their eyes”. For me it was the farce of “gay” “marriage”. The mainstream has gaslit us so many times on so many issues that I have no problem believing that some weird theory COULD be true.

    S.J., Esquire

    November 26, 2020 at 7:02 AM

  30. Ironclad loyalty is the bedrock of any successful populist political coalition, so despite how stupid this all is right now, it’s something you should be glad to see.

    Source: A citizen of a country that still has a right-wing prime minister today because his voters stubbornly refuse to abandon him despite three indictments and years of derangement from the media and “deep state”.

    IHTG

    November 27, 2020 at 9:23 AM


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