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Ricardo Montalbán

Was he a minority, or a white European?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 31, 2018 at 3:51 PM

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  1. Born in Mexico, the child of Spanish immigrants. Sailer would call him a “Conquistador-American.”

    GB

    July 31, 2018 at 4:11 PM

    • Spanish

      Sooo… not white. Cursed Spaniards.

      Definitely alpha, though. Never forget that this scene IS distilled alpha power (one of my top three favourite scenes in all of TV/film), and is not exaggerated or over-the-top in the least:

      S.J., Esquire

      July 31, 2018 at 4:50 PM

      • Wow, NICE. It was a little theatrical, but TV was still maturing in the 60s. I think I see some red panties at 2:11

        Cuddles the Cage Fighter

        July 31, 2018 at 8:59 PM

      • Khan definitely was no thirsty beta or omega dreg.

        “Go or stay…but do it because it is what you wish to do!”

        Then Khan makes Marla McGivers beg to stay with him.

        Oswald Spengler

        August 1, 2018 at 10:59 AM

  2. Montalbán was born and raised in Mexico to Spanish immigrant parents. As for your question… :P”

    destructure

    July 31, 2018 at 4:14 PM

  3. he was white playing a pakistani. his parents were immigrants from spain. so he was one of the ca 9% of mexicans of unmixed european descent.

    luke ford

    July 31, 2018 at 4:17 PM

    • Mr. Roarke was Pakistani???

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 31, 2018 at 4:30 PM

      • Dunno about Mr. Roarke, but Khan Noonian Singh was a Sikh.

        In “Space Seed,” most of his followers were fairly swarthy. But in TWOK, they were all blond, blue-eyed, and buff. (Few, if any, of them looked older than thirty.) Presumably this change was made to emphasize the point that “Silly rabbit, genetic engineering is for Nazis!”

        Khan’s wife was an Irishwoman with dark red hair:

        But somehow their son came out looking like a model for an SS recruiting poster:

        (Due to the incompetence of his agent, Judson Scott’s name was excluded from both the opening and end credits of the film.)

        Of course, in the J.J. Abrams Drekverse, Khan looks exactly like Benedict Cumberbatch.

        Stan Adams

        July 31, 2018 at 5:17 PM

      • I think he means Khan from Star Trek, though I’m not sure if Khan was supposed to be Pakistani.

        Montalban was pretty swarthy and greasy looking as Mr. Roarke. Mr. Roarke could’ve passed for Pakistani:

        Tom

        July 31, 2018 at 5:45 PM

    • Khan (full name Khan Noonien Singh) was supposed to be an Indian Sikh, not Pakistani.

      Hermes

      July 31, 2018 at 4:50 PM

    • Sikh. Khan Noonien Singh

      MEH 0910

      July 31, 2018 at 4:57 PM

    • Pakistanis, Hindus, Afghans and Iranians and some other Central Asian, including basal Turks in Turkey, are Indo-Europeans, which makes them a branch of Caucasians (whites).

      ROBERT SYKES

      July 31, 2018 at 5:15 PM

      • True, but most of them are significantly darker than European whites.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        July 31, 2018 at 6:19 PM

      • No, white is not the same thing as Caucasian. White is a subset of Caucasian. Indians, Pakistanis, Gypsies, (unmixed) Jews, Afghans, Spaniards, Greeks, Turks, and others are Caucasian but not White.

        CamelCaseRob

        July 31, 2018 at 7:13 PM

      • Guido American, Ray Romano the Comedian could pass as an Iranian, someone from Afghanistan, maybe Pakistani and perhaps Northern Indian.

        Ironically, Italian doesn’t come to mind.

        JS

        July 31, 2018 at 10:58 PM

      • which makes them a branch of Caucasians (whites).

        1) Most Caucasians are NOT white
        2) Most Central Asians are racially mixed.

        destructure

        August 1, 2018 at 12:28 AM

      • It’s hard to fathom that Jeff Goldblum is a Goldblum based on his appearance. Similar to Ray Romano, the older he gets, the less fitting of his ethnicity.

        JS

        August 1, 2018 at 4:06 PM

      • The very fact we are arguing about this is proof that there is no agreed upon definition of “white.”

        gothamette

        August 1, 2018 at 8:28 PM

      • “The very fact we are arguing about this is proof that there is no agreed upon definition of ‘white’. “

        Naah. There’s no disagreement over what is an isn’t white. It’s just people who want to include mutts because either they or someone in their family is mixed.

        destructure

        August 1, 2018 at 10:31 PM

      • There’s nothing wrong with whiteness being a big tent.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 1, 2018 at 10:32 PM

      • No.

        destructure

        August 2, 2018 at 1:53 AM

      • “There’s no disagreement over what is an isn’t white.”

        Obviously, there is. My vote’s as good as yours, bud. Who died and made you the Pope of Whitemanistan?

        Is this guy white? (Hint: He was a Confederate general.)

        gothamette

        August 2, 2018 at 8:54 AM

      • “My vote’s as good as yours, bud.”

        Not to me.

        destructure

        August 2, 2018 at 1:15 PM

  4. Quien es mas macho? Ricardo Montalban o . . . ???

    Quien es el otro hombre? No me acuerdo.

    sestamibi

    July 31, 2018 at 4:34 PM

  5. Because of the “flight from white,” I think that in the 1960’s he would have been considered white, but today would be considered nonwhite.

    Hermes

    July 31, 2018 at 4:49 PM

  6. Montalban has claimed “pure Castillian blood,” which makes him a white European (as if there’s any other kind).

    ROBERT SYKES

    July 31, 2018 at 5:11 PM

  7. On Earth, two hundred years ago, he was a prince, with power over millions.

    Oswald Spengler

    July 31, 2018 at 5:41 PM

  8. Stereotype alert! We just came back from a newly opened Starbucks, and three of the four employees fit squarely within the barista stereotype.

    1. Thin blonde girl in her late teens/early 20’s with remnants of purple dye in her hair and several visible tattoos. I have no doubt there were others I couldn’t see.
    2. Mid-20’s male with brown hair, didn’t see him as clearly but noticed one of those hideous hipster man buns. That’s all I needed to see.
    3. Moderately overweight mid-/late-20’s male with long scraggly hair and a neckbeard. He might as well have been wearing a T-shirt proclaiming “I am a geek.”

    The only non-stereotypical employee was a tall Caribbean Hispanic in his early 20’s, I would guess his ancestry as 90% European and 10% African, so he probably is Puerto Rican rather than Dominican.

    For all the talk about Starbucks’ post-Philadelphia policy changes (can sit without buying, free donicker access) turning the stores into skell hangouts, I saw no signs of such. All the other customers seemed like ordinary people. Then again, this store is in a location not easily accessed by foot.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    July 31, 2018 at 6:19 PM

    • Maybe somewhere there’s a coffee shop where all the employees are Chads* and Staceys*.

      Oh, wait, no. Chad would be the executive VP of the chain and Stacey would be the mother of his five kids and a devoted corporate spouse, making small talk with other wives of executives at fundraising events.

      As for Becky*, she would work at Hooters. But she wouldn’t be swimsuit calendar material, just a mildly attractive girl who’s earning money for college.

      I’m being serious there. The last time I was at Hooters, as I was leaving I saw one of the girls get off her shift. She had on her glasses (which she did not wear while working) and was putting on her sorority windbreaker.

      Now that’s what we need. A brestaurant catering to guys with a geek-girl fetish. Like this:

      *I’m not a member of any online incel community. I’m using the terms facetiously.

      njguy73

      August 1, 2018 at 9:09 AM

  9. I recall Ricardo playing a Japanese man in a Hawaii Five O episode.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0598132/

    Someone

    July 31, 2018 at 8:05 PM

    • Back in those innocent times, white actors could put on makeup and play other races without it being called “racist.”

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 31, 2018 at 8:21 PM

      • Don’t forget the talented minstrel Emmett Miller who performed and recorded in the 1920s and 30s. Some of his stuff is on YouTube. Far more creative and entertaining than Al Jolson.

        Lewis Medlock

        July 31, 2018 at 9:06 PM

      • Sir Laurence Olivier once played Othello and described the makeup process as such.

        “Black all over my body, Max Factor 2880, then a lighter brown, then Negro Number 2 [the name of a shade of make-up], a stronger brown. Brown on black to give a rich mahogany. Then the great trick: that glorious half yard of chiffon with which I polished myself all over until I shone…The lips blueberry, the tight curled wig, the white of the eyes, whiter than ever, and the black, black sheen that covered my flesh and bones, glistening in the dressing room lights.”

        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-arogundade/oliviers-blackface-othell_b_1552164.html

        njguy73

        August 1, 2018 at 3:35 PM

    • On the operatic stage, one sees white people playing the role of Chinese princess, priestess of Brahma, etc.
      You take the singers you can get!

      Anthony

      August 1, 2018 at 8:17 AM

  10. ResetEra has a good thread about the 2020 Dem contenders: https://www.resetera.com/threads/daily-beast-2020-democratic-prospects-already-making-moves-behind-the-scenes.58997/

    Most of them seem to want Garcetti, the mayor of LA.

    I hadn’t considered Garcetti but he does seem like somebody that the neoliberal shills could rally around.

    In 2004, it was obvious from the beginning that the only serious contenders were Kerry and Edwards. The Dems are kinda in the same position that the Republicans were in in 2015 before Trump announced: a lot of contenders but they were all weak.

    Like I have said many times, the Dems should nominate Corey Booker. But they are too stupid to do so. It seems to me like Harris is the most likely candidate to win the nomination but the fact that she hasn’t caught fire with the base yet has to be a huge point of concern.

    Bernie is definitely running, no matter how much the neoliberal shills wish that he would just go away. I don’t think that Biden will run because he is a senile old fool and #MeToo makes him irrelevant.

    I expect Gillibrand to drop out early after she is exposed as the lightweight that she is and I don’t think that Warren will run at all. The serious contenders will be Bernie, Garcetti, Booker and Harris. Garcetti wins IA and NH and then Harris sweeps the South, after which Booker drops out. The election then turns into a race war with blacks backing Harris at close to a 100 percent and Bernie and Garcetti splitting the non black vote. Bernie will win some primaries but Garcetti will win the plurality of the delegates, followed by Harris and then Bernie bringing up the rear.

    The Dems will have a brokered convention with Harris coming out on top after a deal with Bernie for his delegates.

    Harris will go down in flames in the general.

    Otis the Sweaty

    July 31, 2018 at 9:56 PM

    • Bernie is not gonna win, but if he did, do you guys think the Dems would have a big #NeverBernie movement?

      Otis the Sweaty

      July 31, 2018 at 10:04 PM

      • Not a chance.

        snorlaxwp

        July 31, 2018 at 11:36 PM

    • They provide us with the following scientific chart:

      snorlaxwp

      July 31, 2018 at 11:51 PM

    • Why do you think that Cory Booker would be their best chance? I’m curious. He appears to be a closeted homosexual with a bad case of histrionics. I don’t think that plays well to the masses.

      B.T.D.T.

      August 1, 2018 at 6:44 AM

      • 1. He’s a black male so he will get Obama level black turnout
        2. Because he’s black he can afford to ignore pandering to black voters and instead spend all his time going after white swing voters. Hillary in contrast was forced to run on full bore white genocide in a vain attempt to goose black turnout and that strategy probably cost her the election.
        3. Whites in general, and white moderates in particular, love articulate and affable black men
        4. He is a neoliberal shill which is extremely important for holding on to moderate suburban whites

        Otis the Sweaty

        August 1, 2018 at 8:56 AM

      • I have to agree that as Obama-lite, Booker would have the best chance of winning.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 1, 2018 at 8:58 AM

      • BLM has a chance of torpedoing him with white voters. Of course that’s a chance, not a certainty.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        August 1, 2018 at 10:25 AM

      • “Booker 2020: He’s Not Into Beckys.”

        Note to any Democrats reading this: you may now hire me as his campaign chair.

        And seriously, fellow Lion readers. The only battle that matters right now is not prole/SWPL or Chad/incel. It’s basic Becky/badass bitch. That’s what’s going to determine the future.

        njguy73

        August 1, 2018 at 3:31 PM

    • Booker wouldn’t have a chance in the general.

      The Dems are surprisingly conservative in terms of their party apparatus – more so than the Republicans. I mean conservative with a lowercase c.

      They will nominate someone like Joe Biden, if not Biden himself. For Veep, a middle of the road female. But Warren may have a chance.

      I for one would enjoy seeing this. Biden is a complete phony, and with his comments about transgenderism has proven himself to be a sop to degenerate, corrosive insanity, but he knows how to mouth the old Democrat bullshit about da woikin’ man. Warren has some real creds on this. (But she would be mercilessly mocked by Trump for the Fauxcahantas business.)

      gothamette

      August 1, 2018 at 8:39 AM

  11. O/t – Suddenly I had a Richard Florida-tinatus with his city jerk talk about a certain megapolis being a playpen for the wealthy elites and whoever has money to bank in it.

    Just love his study how a Soho apartment in Manhattan is equivalent to a number of prole homes in their respective prole city:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/richard-florida-winner-take-all-new-urban-crisis/522630/

    JS

    July 31, 2018 at 11:26 PM

    • “Just love his study how a Soho apartment in Manhattan is equivalent to a number of prole homes in their respective prole city:”

      Comparing Soho to an entire city is apples to oranges. Regardless, more expensive isn’t necessarily better. Paying more for less is no bargain. That’s the down-side of “prestige”. It causes people to do things that are not in their interest.

      Manhattan’s median annual household income is only $66,739. That’s high compared to the national average. But not when you consider that more of it is eaten up by the higher cost of living.

      destructure

      August 1, 2018 at 4:05 PM

  12. Anyone who is economically right and socially liberal is either an idiot or just plain cruel, because “economically right” produces destruction of the traditional safety net (i.e., the family) and necessitates socialistic safety-net creation, duh.

    I’m convinced that Drudge is woke. He just ran an article about a “Minnesota teen” who gouged out his grampaw’s eyes (a Somali). And this:

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/fists-fly-and-so-does-a-megaphone-as-refugee-crisis-inflames-local-politics-in-toronto-area

    Montalban is white. “White” (lc “w”) isn’t a scientific taxonomy. It’s a word with varying meanings. A person who has an African great great great grandmother and all the rest European ancestry is white. Johnny Depp descends from an indentured servant who was half-black. Is he white?

    gothamette

    August 1, 2018 at 8:35 AM

    • “socially liberal” That means being in favor of abortion rights and gay marriage.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 1, 2018 at 8:57 AM

      • and BLM and open borders.

        In the current year, If you are for abortion and gay marriage but are against open borders, you are “socially conservative”.

        Otis the Sweaty

        August 1, 2018 at 9:29 AM

      • “socially liberal” means supporting extremely dumb policies while having just enough money to avoid the consequences of those policies in the short term.

        destructure

        August 1, 2018 at 4:07 PM

    • because “economically right” produces destruction of the traditional safety net (i.e., the family) and necessitates socialistic safety-net creation, duh.

      Don’t you mean “socially liberal” produces destruction of the traditional safety net? What you’ve written implies that being economically right is logically impossible because it will always lead to economic leftism.

      Hermes

      August 1, 2018 at 10:09 AM

      • I phrased it sloppily, sorry & thanks for correkshun.

        “Anyone who is economically right and socially liberal is either an idiot or just plain cruel, because that combination produces destruction of the traditional safety net (i.e., the family) and necessitates socialistic safety-net creation, duh.”

        gothamette

        August 1, 2018 at 5:39 PM

  13. There are two kinds of people happy to declassify Ricardo as “white” and reclassify him as a POC: white supremacist neo-Nazis and anti-racist leftists. Both equate White with Central/NW European and are happy to keep that little ethnic corner as pure as possible, the former because they are racial purists, the latter because they blame Central/NW Europeans for slavery and colonialism and want a big tent ethnic army to overwhelm them.

    Spaniards colonized the world and had slaves, too, you say? Well, they get a pass, because they bred with the natives and even some of the slaves, so they are now mestizo and therefore POC even if they just look like white people with good tans.

    Seth Largo (@SethLargo)

    August 1, 2018 at 2:58 PM

  14. Orson Welles, directing Charlton Heston as a Mexican in Touch of Evil, said of Heston’s character that he was completely European. I can’t get the exact quote. Heston’s character was named “Mike Vargas.”

    gothamette

    August 1, 2018 at 5:48 PM

    • Mike Vargas (if he was an Norte Americano instead of a Mexican) was what Steve Sailer has termed a “Conquistador American.” Heston just grew a Clark Gable moustache and got a tan for the role. Vargas, a high level official in the Mexican drug enforcement bureau, was supposed to be a member of the Mexican elite — urbane, well-educated, sophisticated.

      Oswald Spengler

      August 1, 2018 at 11:47 PM

      • Orson Welles’ description was better, but I’m danged if I can find it.

        gothamette

        August 3, 2018 at 10:51 AM

  15. Montalban is “Southern European” type, which is code for a Cro Magnid with a higher than average Neanderthal and possibly some African admixture, due to his ancestors being on the front line of an invasion by another race some time ago. Over time, all of our southern border populations have come to be represented by this mixed transitional type. We consider them to be Europeans of a type and mostly (but often not fully) culturally “White”, but also definitely mixed race. Europe should back them up in wars against foreigners but not allow for too much migration North.

    Sam

    August 2, 2018 at 11:59 AM


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