Video of the racist chant which caused the Sigma Alpha Epsilon chapter at the University of Oklahoma to be shut down, and two students expelled from the university.
Will the two expelled students be able to get a college degree elsewhere? What college would admit them? Are they condemned to a life of working at Walmart (assuming that Walmart will even hire racists)?
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Lion of the Blogosphere 
“assuming that Walmart will even hire racists”
First, Christ, every company in the world hires racists.
Second, the chance that these guys are actual racists, if that word even means anything these days, is practically zero. The chance that they found it amusing to sing a little ditty with the n-word as a way to feel a little transgressive frisson is approaching 100 percent.
Third, yes, in this moronic world they are effectively pariahs, until such time as they do the self-flagellation MSM tour (first stop, Bloprah), and then are publicly forgiven by whichever black race-hustler figures a way to make money by doing so.
Fourth, add this to the ever-growing list of real life imitates Tom Wolfe.
First City Gent
March 11, 2015 at 8:06 AM
Those guys were idiots. They may very well go on to grovel… because they’re idiots. Grovelling and trying to talk your way out only makes things worse. People always want to explain and talk their way out. The smartest strategy is to simply be quiet. It will die quicker with less damage.
destructure
March 11, 2015 at 9:57 AM
i never understood the point of grovelling when situations like this arise. nobody buys the grovelling anyway. the end result is you just look like a coward and a wimp. either say nothing or tell everybody to go to hell.
James
March 11, 2015 at 10:47 AM
“First, Christ, every company in the world hires racists.”
Not “known” racists, they don’t. At least not of the white, male sort. These dudes are screwed.
Now, while I don’t think what they did even merits a raised eyebrow, it amazes me how often white people just don’t understand what they can and can’t say.
peterike
March 11, 2015 at 10:04 AM
Not everyone in America lives in NYC, where 50% of the population in non-White, and Whites learn early on that being an openly bigot means you’re trouble (unless you’re a resident of Staten Island).
JS
March 11, 2015 at 10:24 AM
Now, while I don’t think what they did even merits a raised eyebrow,
Because incidents like it often occur
it amazes me how often white people just don’t understand what they can and can’t say.
See above statement of yours. They’re related.
swanknasty
March 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM
Yes, agreed that notorious racists won’t get hired in the short term. (Where “notorious” means white and “racists” is two empty syllables.) If one has the unfortunate luck to be anointed “racist” by the mob of morons that make up the MSM and the chattering classes then one faces a long uphill slog.
Meanwhile, jobs are thrown by the dozen at black racists like His Holiness B.O., Archbishop J.J., and The Reverend A.S.
First City Gent
March 11, 2015 at 2:16 PM
What would it take for them to be “actual racists,” to you? Burning crosses? Taking part in a lynching? They are probably actually racist because they were actually caught on camera doing something racist.
It’s strange that there’s such an aversion to the idea of racism still existing, but comments like this show that — apart from the merit-failings blacks have — racism is very much alive.
swanknasty
March 11, 2015 at 12:38 PM
Well there is the notion of hipster racism, wherein the racism is thought to be inauthentic and merely “ironic” but of course still hurtful.
Dain
March 11, 2015 at 1:55 PM
Oh, racism is very much alive; always has been, always will be. The prog dream of eradicating all “bad” thoughts from every human being now alive and who will ever be alive in the future is a non-starter.
To speak some words—even (heavens! where does LotB keep the fainting couch?) the n-word—does not make one a racist.
If one goes to a seder and sings some Passover songs, does that make a Jew?
If one goes to Mass and sings a hymn, does that make one a Catholic?
If one writes 50,000 words and slaps on a cover, does that make one a novelist?
“They are actually racist because they were actually caught on camera doing something racist.”
Yes, and Penn & Teller can actually catch bullets in their teeth because they were caught on camera catching bullets in their teeth.
“What would it take for them to be ‘actual racists’ to you?”
I would accept, among other things, a signed and sworn affidavit in which they profess their belief that one or some races are better than one or all other races.
First City Gent
March 11, 2015 at 2:50 PM
Because real racists with half a brain would never ever say a racist chant with a bunch of other people. They know it’s social and career suicide.
They did it because they thought it was funny or edgy.
My friends and I called each other the N word all the time, just because we thought it was funny. This was when I still thought all races were created equal. Nowadays there is no way I would ever do that, it’s way too risky.
Nathan Wartooth
March 11, 2015 at 3:48 PM
Cautious paranoid people would never participate in a racist chant, regardless of what they secretly believe.
On the other hand, drunk 19-21-year-olds subject to peer pressure to fit in might chant just about anything.
Lion of the Blogosphere
March 11, 2015 at 4:39 PM
“racism is very much alive.” ———————————— But, given that the word simply suggests some distance, any distance, from an ideal, it doesn’t really signify much these days unless further details are added. I propose the word be replaced with a measurement describing distance from an ideal of pure racial harmony. Perhaps we could call it the E-I scale for EbonyAndIvory, named for the cheeziest paean to racial harmony ever created (thank you Sir Paul). Thus when speaking of the Tea Party’s resistance to social programs that would subsidize poor blacks you can say that the Tea Party is at one E-I distance from ideal. KKK cross burnings would be somewhere in the order of 19 E-I distance from the ideal, etc.
Curle
March 11, 2015 at 10:09 PM
Because real racists with half a brain would never ever say a racist chant with a bunch of other people. They know it’s social and career suicide.
Special pleading. And in light of a national history filled with racist secret societies that featured racist chants….inaccurate special pleading.
To speak some words—even (heavens! where does LotB keep the fainting couch?) the n-word—does not make one a racist
Some words, eh?
“There will never be a nigger at SAE
There will never be a nigger at SAE
You can hang him from a tree
But he’ll never sign with me
There will never be a nigger at SAE.”
Honestly, it’s like debating whether 2+2=4.
swanknasty
March 12, 2015 at 4:17 AM
Best tack is not say racist stuff. Failing that, best tack is to do what that PR girl did when her joke about AIDS in Africa went viral. Wait for the dust to settle and then reach out to the reporter who made it go viral, explain how you were actually subtly mocking racists, and tell them how you’ve suffered since.
Dave Pinsen
March 12, 2015 at 4:24 AM
It’s been pointed out in a number of locations that that their expulsion was most likely illegal, so they should ggarrett some success getting a degree from OU.
RSF
March 11, 2015 at 8:21 AM
Their life would probably be miserable if they went back, but their expulsion was flagrantly illegal. Maybe they can get into another public U. in Oklahoma based on that. Or maybe they can make enough from a lawsuit that they don’t need a degree (but I doubt it).
J1
March 11, 2015 at 10:04 AM
This is correct. They would be risking life and limb by going back there. It’s perfectly acceptable to harass, threaten and attack known “racists”.
Matt Heimbach wrote about his time at college and while he never got beat up, he was a social outcast who people liked to literally spit on.
Nathan Wartooth
March 11, 2015 at 3:52 PM
Let’s see how successful conservatives are in switching the conversation from “What they did was bad” to “Sure it was bad but do they deserve to be expelled?! What about free speech?”
My guess is not very.
Meanwhile the mainstream media has been pretty successful in keeping the conversation about how police treat black guys who commit crimes. “Sure he bullied and shook down a shopkeeper, but did he deserve to be shot?!”
Dain
March 11, 2015 at 2:00 PM
Actually it will be FIRE and the ACLU that pursue the free speech argument; this will be attacked by first amendment advocates from both directions..
J1
March 11, 2015 at 10:51 PM
Here in the South, frat guys tend to be a) really fond of rap music and black-heavy sports such as basketball b) really fond of casual racism. Not quite sure how that works out.
nauthentic Lithuanian
March 11, 2015 at 8:40 AM
1) I agree. I’m a 2008 University of Florida grad. Was not Greek but I was familiar enough with the frat culture to say that this video could just as easily have been taken at UF.
2) Fraternities are prole. You would never catch a bunch of SWPL college students chanting this.
McFly
March 11, 2015 at 10:37 AM
Oklahoma is prole. Frats at Dartmouth are not prole.
jack
March 11, 2015 at 11:07 AM
If you’ve come across a prole fraternity, it was an outlier. Even in Oklahoma. I agree you’d never see SWPL college students doing this, but SWPLs generally don’t join fraternities/sororities.
J1
March 11, 2015 at 12:50 PM
Prole? Maybe to Lion who lives in NYC. But then again, from their perspective Lion is poor.
They two guys named were both from Dallas’ richest suburb — the same neighborhood as GWB. They went to expensive private schools and played Varsity Golf. They may be “prole” but they have more disposable income than the vast majority of SWPLs. They’re definitely in the 1%.
George
March 11, 2015 at 2:11 PM
Americans are all petulant proles, regardless of background, and relatively comparing to other 1st world nations.
From the Park Avenue penthouse to the trailer park of greater America, it doesn’t matter!
JS
March 11, 2015 at 6:47 PM
College students are proletarians now? No.
Dave Pinsen
March 12, 2015 at 4:26 AM
“Due process”?
What’s that?
amac78
March 11, 2015 at 8:53 AM
The damage done by the wreckers’ and saboteurs’ chant has been contained by the swift and firm actions of vigilant authorities. Perhaps some of these hooligans will see the error of their ways, and seek to rehabilitate themselves through self-criticism.
How unfortunate that they will not be joined by Zemir Begic.
http://www.infowars.com/police-deny-st-louis-hammer-murder-was-racial-attack/
amac78
March 11, 2015 at 9:05 AM
OT, the WSJ is noting that O is pushing to shift the burden of child support payments from low-skilled fathers to taxpaying provider betas.
You can bet they’ll still be going after middle-class workadaddys who got frivorced for the crime of being too boringly predictably reliable. But the badboy studmuffinz, they’re going to be off the hook.
(As this is the WSJ, to see the full article you may have to search for the title in Google News)
http://www.wsj.com/articles/robert-doar-making-it-easier-to-skip-paying-child-support-1425943234
Fiddlesticks
March 11, 2015 at 9:14 AM
I agree with Obama on this one.
Lion of the Blogosphere
March 11, 2015 at 10:05 AM
MSM/SJW crowd is angry that they spent months drumming up stories about how bad straight white males are with Jackie, and then it turns out they got duped into believing some borderline slut’s fantasies. That is, of course, precisely why they are going after these guys so hard too.
Panther of the Blogocube
March 11, 2015 at 9:18 AM
SJWs are the new McCarthyists.
rivelino
March 11, 2015 at 9:39 AM
SJWs are more McCarthy than McCarthy ever was or hoped to be.
Curle
March 11, 2015 at 10:50 AM
I was stunned that this was the lead story on the Today Show two days in a row! On NBC Nightly News, it was the second story. Frat boys singing the N word was the biggest story in America yesterday. Unbelievable!
Mike Street Station
March 11, 2015 at 11:48 AM
Disappointing. Depressing. Reason to scout real estate in S. America. But, very believable.
Curle
March 11, 2015 at 10:12 PM
Today Show? NBC Nightly News? Really?
Throw the TV away. Life becomes much better almost instantly.
Curle
March 11, 2015 at 10:19 PM
At my alma mater, a football player was given a second chance after breaking into an apartment, and dragging a coed (his ex-fuck) down the stairs naked, by her hair, to then beat her head into a car door.
Another football player had an armed robbery conviction covered up.
It is truly disgusting what our culture is.
anonymousse
anonymousse
March 11, 2015 at 11:59 AM
I think it’s correct that our culture believes that racism is more evil than beating someone up.
Lion of the Blogosphere
March 11, 2015 at 12:44 PM
Absolutely. I was listening to NPR a few weeks ago, where an african was saying that being a racist is the worst, yes, THE WORST thing anyone can be, and then he went on to say that even KKK members would never ever wish to be thought of as racist because it is so horrendous and despicable to be a racist.
Our culture believes that racism is worse than raping children.
Our culture deserves violent destruction.
DEATH TO AMERICA
philip marbro
March 11, 2015 at 1:14 PM
Isn’t that the way with all religions? What is worse under Islam or any other organized religion, heresy or backsliding? What you are calling our ‘culture’ is really our state religion, Messianic Idealism.
Curle
March 11, 2015 at 10:14 PM
Here I will explain their second chances: the incidents weren’t caught on cell phone video and the incidents didn’t go viral.
swanknasty
March 11, 2015 at 12:55 PM
Not quite. The armed robbery incident was Johnny Rogers, which was covered up so he could help Nebraska beat Oklahoma, earn the Heisman Trophy, and win the national championship (around 1970). But the woman beating incident was Lawrence Phillips, and was widely known (he broke into the quarterback’s (Scott Frost) apartment, dragged the girl down the stairs and proceeded to beat her with his car door). Every citizen of the State of Nebraska knew every detail about it (Frost’s response during the incident? He just cried out: ” But what about football?”-again, every particular detail was widely known and acknowledged). Lawrence was allowed back on the team (he was never suspended or banned from the college, of course)-just in time for the Orange Bowl.
The girl was a basketball player and subsequently lost her basketball scholarship (she wasn’t very good, or wasn’t very hard working) until there was actual pushback: maybe beating victims shouldn’t lose scholarship money, even at Nebraska.
So it was viral-it was as viral as it was possible to be at the time. But everybody deserves a second chance-except drunk white guys.
anonymousse
anonymousse
March 11, 2015 at 5:34 PM
These incidents occurred decades ago? There’s your explanation.
swanknasty
March 12, 2015 at 2:21 PM
Holy Cow! Apparently, a football player-at Oklahoma-was caught-on tape-punching a woman in the face and breaking 4 bones in her face. Last year. He was given a second chance.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/12/oklahoma-u-expels-racist-students-but-no
anonymousse
March 13, 2015 at 4:48 AM
“the incidents weren’t caught on cell phone video and the incidents didn’t go viral.”
swanknasty
March 13, 2015 at 1:30 PM
They will be fine. If America still has people who have decent mind, they will be invited to some solid jobs.
However since they are already proles, if they fail on their life that has nothing to do with what they did on that day.
toos is god
March 11, 2015 at 2:14 PM
How in the world are these guys prole?!!? They are upper middle class! Yes, they are definitely *not* members of “class x”, if that is what you meant.
CamelCaseRob
March 11, 2015 at 8:03 PM
If you express it publicly, you effectively become a dissident. Well, you can do what dissidents do – either emigrate to a country that is more liberal on the topic, or become the informant for governmental agency that will erase your misconduct history in return.
MyTwoCents
March 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM
Why didn’t they use deeply cryptic code words like the rest of us? “There will never be a lazy-soft-on-violent-crime-food-stamp-recipient at SAE.”
Mark Caplan
March 11, 2015 at 5:38 PM
There is a son of a billionaire in that. They aren’t all prole.
But they are undoubtedly morons and they deserve to not have jobs because what kind of company can risk hiring such morons that they would shout something like this in public.
Kaz
March 11, 2015 at 7:47 PM
I don’t get it, saying nigger is not illegal, can’t they sue for being expelled for that?
At least getting their tuition back should be on the table, as no crime was committed.
The constitution (including the 1st Amendment) is still the supreme law of the land.
Talk about out of proportion, i would understand if there were burning crosses, but this?
guest
March 11, 2015 at 9:56 PM
A line in the chant mentions hanging African Americans from a tree. I suppose a lawyer could cast that line as violent intimidation, a terroristic threat, or creating a hostile classroom environment, which would have no First Amendment protection.
Not too off-topic, last week in Nagaland, India, a mob of thousands stormed a jail and dragged off and lynched a man accused of rape.
Mark Caplan
March 12, 2015 at 9:06 AM
This whole controversy revolves around whether the nigger actually exists as defined as an individual of African descent with a savage disregard for humanity and especially white persons.
If one grants the existence of niggers then this chant was neither racist nor moronic. It might as well been a solemn vow by burgeoning white Supremacists to their white sorority “sisters.”
thordaddy
March 12, 2015 at 5:46 AM
“Some words, eh?”
[swanknasty types the words to the chant here]
Good Lord, swanknasty, you typed the n-word! You said the words in your mind! You … I don’t … God, this is difficult, but you’re a racist! Wait! I also said the words in my mind. Oh, my life is ruined. Ruined!
“Honestly, it’s like debating whether 2+2=4.”
Ah, excellent, poor-man’s symbolic logic.
Saying the n-word + saying the n-word = racist
Hmm, that can’t be right.
Saying the n-word + being white = racist
Ah, now we’re getting somewhere. The logic is impeccable, gentleman. Cast down your weapons and bare your neck for the hangman’s noose.
First City Gent
March 12, 2015 at 9:54 AM
Indeed, if I had chanted those words out loud and you knew little, if anything, else about me….it would be reasonable to presume I was a racist. The fact that you can invent several “possible” excuses for why they may not be racists does not mean that what concrete evidence we have does not stand for the chanters being racists.
You disagree with this inference…for whatever reason. You’re probably one of those people who believes the civil war wasn’t about slavery, too.
swanknasty
March 12, 2015 at 6:02 PM
“does not mean that what concrete evidence we have does not stand for the chanters being racists.”
Nor does it stand for their being racists.
“You’re probably one of those people who believes the civil war wasn’t about slavery, too.”
Nonsense, good sir. Rot and poppycock. We all know it was about the North’s insistence of delivering, ad libitum, into the gentle ears of the South the fiendish “Wet Willy”.
First City Gent
March 12, 2015 at 10:02 PM
The word didn’t even exist until the 20th century and before that was called, in relation to blacks, negrophobia which means, simply, a dislike or fear of black people. One might infer that the bus chanters either fear or dislike blacks but that would involve suppositions not necessarily compelled by the evidence. One might prefer segregation or separation of races or ethnicities or even families without fearing or disliking the segregated ‘other.’ With ample historical justification one might simply conclude that such separation or segregation leads to preferred social outcomes for all involved, or as Steve Sailor says ‘there are reasons there are separate countries.’ Calling something racism bootstraps a lot of propaganda that has sought, over the past fifty years, to associate pro-segregation thoughts and beliefs with hatred, an exercise that mostly relies on suppressing the arguments in favor of segregation, arguments if given a wide airing would greatly diminish the effectiveness of the word as a social stigma.
Curle
March 12, 2015 at 11:38 PM
“one of those people who believes the civil war wasn’t about slavery, too.” ——————————————– The civil war was fought by the North for the purpose of stopping the further growth of the black population in North America by eliminating the feature that encouraged growth and distribution of the black population, slavery. This is why determined efforts were made to keep former slaves bottlenecked in the South following the war, why northern states adopted laws discouraging black settlement in those states both before and after the war, why it was a crime to assist blacks migrate to the West, why the underground railroad deposited its charges in Canada instead of the US, why former slaves were left to die by the tens of thousands in the South following the war from disease and starvation under the watchful eye of the Union Army. Why, when petitioned to show concern for the fate of slaves following the war, Lincoln said of them ‘root hog or die.’ And, die they did, just as he envisioned, upwards of one-quarter of the pre-war slave population.
Curle
March 13, 2015 at 12:00 AM
Nor does it stand for their being racists.
If the only evidence we have to go on points to them being racists, then yes it does stand for ‘their being racist.’ You’re just inventing a bunch of ‘what-ifs’ and ‘it-could-bes.’ You apparently believe video documentation of the above chant leaves us completely ignorant, as a matter of induction, as to whether the chanters are racist.
Calling something racism bootstraps
Excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. And when all we know or see is a cigar, there’s nothing unreasonable about inferring that what we see is a cigar.
What you wrote about the civil war is silly.
swanknasty
March 13, 2015 at 1:29 PM
“What you wrote about the civil war is silly.”
So silly that it happens to be true. http://mises.org/library/lincolns-inversion-american-union
Curle
March 13, 2015 at 8:13 PM
My question is, in light of the sheer number of such stories during President Obama’s two terms, will the history books attribute “exposing continued racism in America” as one of his accomplishments?
Johnson
March 12, 2015 at 12:20 PM
I suggest these morons move to Thailand to teach English. Nobody cares about such trifles there. Or Eastern Europe, perhaps.
BB753
March 12, 2015 at 2:36 PM