The NY Times reports that Native Americans are pissed at Elizabeth Warren for “privileging nonindigenous definitions of being indigenous.”
I can’t say I understand that sentence, but it’s funny when the people pushing political correctness can’t follow their own rules. It’s time for Warren to step down and let someone more woke take her place.
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Lion of the Blogosphere 
Lion, there is a great discussion of diversity and NY public schools. Discussion is on Urban Baby and is worth its own thread http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55870253
Arvindra
October 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM
Ugh…gruesome how the sjw’s try to police the discussion. Hopefully the lurkers are learning.
Mrs Stitch
October 17, 2018 at 8:20 PM
PC has one rule: Liberals are just, and conservatives are evil.
Season to taste.
Justice Duvall
October 17, 2018 at 6:10 PM
I’m pissed that she privileges non statutory definitions of immigrant.
Curle
October 17, 2018 at 6:17 PM
Tariq Nasheed for Senator from Massachusetts
Georgia Resident
October 17, 2018 at 6:25 PM
They’re pissed off because she blatantly used Native American credentials to get a tenured position at Harvard. Whitey was actually supposed to let Indians get ahead, not for Whitey herself to get ahead. If you think about it, this actually does conform what minorities say about whites using privilege to get ahead in a twisted way.
They secretly know whites are more intelligent than them and resent that. They just can’t call it out because it would validate biological determinism, something which our egalitarian society stridently denies.
As for the usage, it probably was pretty clever of Warren to use it to leapfrog the competition at Harvard given how competitive it is. I don’t deny that she is smart, just that she played an underhanded technique (admittedly, other prospective academics do so in order to get tenure since it is so coveted). In the age of Rachel Dolezal and others being caught, the technique won’t fly anymore.
Red pill aspie
October 17, 2018 at 6:33 PM
If Warren had simply said that like many in the USA that she had some Amerindian ancestors and was proud of that, she would have been fine. But this is not how the far-left works. It’s all a manipulation for them. The far-right represses, the far-left lies. For them ‘truth’ is a very believable lie.
That she ‘doubled down’ when denounced by Cherokees shows how reality-free she is…
The Old Libertarian
October 19, 2018 at 3:19 AM
MEH 0910
October 17, 2018 at 6:55 PM
Remember that Amy Harmon reads by blog, or at least has read some of it in the past.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 17, 2018 at 7:53 PM
How do you know this?
gothamette
October 17, 2018 at 9:04 PM
I talked to her once about my blog. And I commend her for respecting my wish not to have my real name mentioned in the NY Times.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 17, 2018 at 9:37 PM
Oh, sorry – I asked this question again. I confused the two posts & thought my question ended up in the spam folder. Ignore the 2nd instance.
gothamette
October 17, 2018 at 10:25 PM
Harmon seems one of those who position opposition smears for the far-left.
Check out her past articles. No wonder she monitors you.
The Old Libertarian
October 19, 2018 at 3:21 AM
“There is no evidence, scientists stress, that environmental and cultural differences will not turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups,.”
Let that one sink in for a second as you contemplate the small volume size constituting the average journalist brain.
I guess there’s also no evidence that Santa Claus won’t turn out to be the primary driver of behavioral differences between population groups.
Curle
October 17, 2018 at 11:13 PM
Cognitive decline in women starts decades earlier than in men, right around age of 45, judging by standardized tests like SAT/GRE and personal experiences. I trust my personal experiences more than standardized tests, but in this case they agree.
My 2¢
October 17, 2018 at 6:58 PM
She might have been book-smart but she’s street-dumb. I know an Okie who tested at 168 in school but lives hand to mouth at 69. He would talk himself into the dumbest shit…I think the small town or rural upbringing was isolating back then, maybe not so much now.
Mrs Stitch
October 17, 2018 at 8:27 PM
As long as you have a wide sample size I hope?
Curle
October 17, 2018 at 11:14 PM
This one actually has IMO a sane translation:
We decide who is a Cherokee, not you, not Bustamante, and not 23andme.
Jehu
October 17, 2018 at 7:07 PM
“We (Cherokees) decide who is a Cherokee.”
The Cherokee tribe’s leadership must read Steve Sailer.
Georgia Resident
October 17, 2018 at 8:53 PM
The far-left, as they put it, loves to ‘appropriate’ the ability of groups to control their membership?
The Old Libertarian
October 19, 2018 at 3:23 AM
Warren is a left wing psycho feminist, she deserves the shit people throw at her.. I’m with the Indians on this one.
Avidaman
October 17, 2018 at 7:12 PM
As an aside, I like the use of the word “privileging” in place of the phrase “arguing for” or “suggesting.” That way, you can short circuit any argument of an opponent by suggesting that there is some inequality in their proposition, even if it has nothing to do with the proposition. For example, “Lion privileges Robert Heinlein’s theories of society.” Which must be wrong, because privilege is wrong, unless it is earned. And saying something doesn’t make it earned. This of course leads to absurdities like “you’re privileging the idea that you earned money because you worked for it.”
Joe
October 17, 2018 at 7:15 PM
Colleges privilege social justice theories all the time; e.g., give them unjustified stature as ‘disciplibes’ when there isn’t much discipline present.
Curle
October 17, 2018 at 11:19 PM
Lion, did you read the comments under the NYT article? I am seriously amazed at how many people wrote that the DNA test *proves* what Elizabeth Warren has claimed all along. I have not followed her Native American claims that closely, but the DNA results don’t seem to bolster her claim in any significant way (and I’m being very generous in my choice of words). Sheesh!!
Johnson
October 17, 2018 at 7:27 PM
You are right. She is right. Everyone is right here.
My 2c
October 17, 2018 at 11:21 PM
The SJW Revolution devours its own children.
Oswald Spengler
October 17, 2018 at 7:45 PM
MEH 0910
October 17, 2018 at 9:39 PM
These people are literally batshit crazy.
gothamette
October 17, 2018 at 10:26 PM
Man, they’re pissed. That’s the worst photograph I’ve ever seen of Elizabeth Warren.
Richard
October 18, 2018 at 10:26 AM
Her far left counterpart Bernie Sanders is loved by Native Americans. I know this because I attended a Bernie rally in 2015. There were a lot of Natives there (I live near an Indian reservation), they were handing him gifts they made and they wildly applauded when Sanders said that Native Americans are the original environmentalist, long before it became trendy. If Warren didn’t make a mockery out of Indian ancestry they would probably like her too…but they don’t and I’m happy about that.
Jay Fink
October 17, 2018 at 10:59 PM
What’s hottter than hott chix? Strong hott chix!
Peter
ironrailsironweights
October 17, 2018 at 11:11 PM
They don’t need firearms because they have the other kind of guns!
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 17, 2018 at 11:21 PM
Feminine chicks cooking
Hashed
October 18, 2018 at 3:21 AM
I went on a date with a girl who was into the crossfit stuff. She was fairly pretty, fun, and we had a lot in common but I just couldn’t picture myself sleeping with a girl with broad shoulders. Just a major turnoff.
everybodyhatesscott
October 18, 2018 at 11:23 AM
I hope nobody is naive enough to think that those plates are real. If already…
Yakov
October 18, 2018 at 11:24 AM
I’m not sure exactly what those plates weigh, though it’s obvious they aren’t the standard 45’s like most plates that size. If they were 45’s the girl in the red shorts at the 2:10 mark would be doing hang cleans and multiple squats with 405 pounds, which would be not far off a world record. Not to mention incredibly dangerous without spotters or a rack.
Whatever the amounts, it’s definitely true that the girls are very strong. I’d say stronger than 99% of women and maybe 75% of men.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
October 18, 2018 at 3:33 PM
I have no respect for fake plates. Those women have zero attraction, these are the real ones.
Yakov
October 18, 2018 at 8:21 PM
My friends a quarter Indian and always considered himself white. He visited his uncle or something who lived on a reservation and hated every minute of it, he came back even more sure he was white. My dogs probably has more indian blood than Warren what a ho.
Avidaman
October 18, 2018 at 12:18 AM
Just driving through a reservation will be one of the most depressing experiences of your life.
Richard
October 18, 2018 at 10:29 AM
Unless the reservation has a casino, or a store that sells Kachina dolls and cheap cigarettes.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 18, 2018 at 10:54 AM
I remember the first time I drove through an Indian reservation. I was 14 years old and actually expected to see teepees and Indians wearing their traditional garb running wild making the Indian war cry sound. I was disappointed when none of that existed. Instead it was mostly a bunch of public housing.
Jay Fink
October 18, 2018 at 2:42 PM
They have a pow wow in Mesa each year where you can see the Indian stuff.
Lion of the Blogosphere
October 18, 2018 at 3:16 PM
Speaking of left wingers who don’t follow their own rules, did people see that Washington Post op-ed in which it was pointed out that Ruth Bader Ginsberg has been on the Supreme Court for 25 years and has hired only one black clerk?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/ruth-bader-ginsburg-can-learn-something-from-brett-kavanaugh/2018/10/15/b8974a86-cd77-11e8-a360-85875bac0b1f_story.html
Gozo
October 18, 2018 at 12:20 AM
Like I’d said before we may yet come to miss her. Who is more likely to hire based on merit she or Kav?
Yakov
October 18, 2018 at 9:36 AM
I’m glad Kav got nominated because he had to be protected from that baseless attack but his response was “look how not sexist I am, I hired all women!” does not inspire me with hope. “Dems are the real sexists” will work about as well as “Dems are the real racists” Republicans need to get it through their thick skulls that leftist do not care about being hypocrites.
everybodyhatesscott
October 18, 2018 at 11:26 AM
Remember: Kav is a moron. Never, ever forget that. You can’t fix stupid.
Yakov
October 18, 2018 at 11:54 AM
I heard he was planning to pull that stunt before the false allegations came out. Can anyone provide more info?
MoreSigmasThanYou
October 18, 2018 at 12:48 PM
It’s funny the cherokee want to discount dna in this instance, but previously desired to exclude african freedmen from tribal membership since they weren’t genetically native american.
Either way warren is less than 1% native american.
One reason I did an ancestrydna test was curiosity if there had been any “contact” between native americans and my part of the family that came over 1700s. I have a great-to-some-exponent uncle who was killed by indians so if follows reason there might have been other contact, consensual or not.
I’ve read a few captivity narratives of white women held by various tribes and one thing they adamantly point out is they were never “violated” in any way despite being beaten, starved and otherwise ill treated. Assuming this is true, it makes you wonder why they weren’t raped along with all the other abuse. Was there some kind of NA taboo against sexual contact with white women? I know it was common for white soldiers to take NA “fort wives” but it seems, historically, white women reproducing with native american men by force or otherwise was rare.
toomanymice
October 18, 2018 at 9:09 AM
If the scalped and ate prisoners, why wouldn’t thy rape them? Noble savages or something?
Yakov
October 18, 2018 at 11:55 AM
I think it’s mostly about social status, work, and material possessions.
Natives didn’t own a lot of stuff. Hunter-gatherers work about 4 hours a day. If you were a white lazy man who just wanted to go hunting and fishing, you could get a native wife, and she wouldn’t nag you to better yourself.
On the other hand, if you were a white woman, and got a native husband, you could look forward to sleeping on the ground, owning one set of clothes, and having a husband with no job, and no status whatsoever in your own culture, and no ambition beyond going hunting and fishing.
I don’t have any statistics on this, but a historian who studied the time period told me that it was somewhat of a scandal how many lazy white men ‘went native’.
MoreSigmasThanYou
October 18, 2018 at 2:37 PM
There has been some chatter over the years in colonial history circles about the appropriate treatment of NA complaints of the time regarding whites setting a bad example regarding comparative coddling of white women. I’m given to understand that the records are full of complaints of this type but historians have neglected to highlight it.
Curle
October 20, 2018 at 2:36 AM
Why would you assume it’s true? There’s an obvious incentive to lie.
Richard
October 18, 2018 at 5:15 PM
Yes and no. Fanny Kelly’s captivity narrative is remarkably graphic, describing crimes in detail committed against her and other women and children. She was not shy about what happened to her. But she makes a point that she was never raped, and claims one Sioux- after she had lived with the tribe more than a year- proposed partnership to her which she declined. I’m no expert but have read some and can’t recall any mention of indian men raping colonial women. All kinds of murder and torture, yes, but not rape. Which makes me wonder if there was some NA cultural taboo against rape or sexual contact with white women.
toomanymice
October 18, 2018 at 6:19 PM
There’s a more relevant taboo against miscegenation that you’re overlooking. Violent young men don’t capture women because they want their laundry done.
Richard
October 19, 2018 at 9:34 AM
Not raping enemy women is a feature of matrilinear societies. How many Palestinian women have been violated by Israeli men?
oogenhand
October 19, 2018 at 9:44 AM
They were often raped. Some had racially mixed bastards from it. Rape and warfare have gone hand in hand since prehistory. Why would the Amerindians treat the hated White invaders any differently.
Georgia Resident
October 19, 2018 at 12:31 PM
For all the violence committed I have never seen an account of a white woman raped by NA. Perhaps gogenhand is correct that matrilineal societies don’t rape enemy women?
toomanymice
October 19, 2018 at 4:12 PM
“Rape and warfare have gone hand in hand since prehistory.“
The Spanish claimed the NAs destroyed Juan Pardo’s string of forts in North Carolina and Tennessee back in 1565 when the NA women started pushing out mixed babies. Some believe the story of the destruction was a head-fake to mislead the English and that the Spanish never left, just mixed in with the natives. It is a sign of the times that too many modern historians presume the NA mixed births were the result of rape though the Spanish records suggest so.
Joara, one of the forts, is being excavated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_San_Juan_(Joara)
Curle
October 20, 2018 at 3:09 AM
“but previously desired to exclude african freedmen from tribal membership“
I understand the Cherokee have been fighting a war against fake Indian tribes for years and that there has been an ongoing battle in the state of Tennessee relating to state recognition, as opposed to federal recognition, of some of these tribes composed mostly of white, and possibly black, poseurs.
Simultaneously, there has been a battle between some factions of the Creek Peoples and Cherokee where the Creek make an assortment of claims regarding Cherokee legitimacy based on the idea that the British gave too much territorial status to the Cherokee because the Cherokee were partially amalgamated with stateless Spanish exiles who were easier to deal with.
Curle
October 20, 2018 at 2:50 AM
The one-drop rule doesn’t apply? We all know that.
Anthony Bruck
October 18, 2018 at 3:26 PM