Lion of the Blogosphere

Trump wins with Mexico

I have to credit Trump’s prole method of diplomacy, Mexico agreed to some concessions.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 8, 2019 at 3:37 PM

Posted in Immigration

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  1. From what I’ve read there were two concessions.

    1) Mexico will deploy the Mexican National Guard to Mexico’s Southern border to try to stop immigration north.

    2) The US will begin returning asylum seekers to Mexico to wait for their asylum case to be decided along the whole Southern border.

    On concession #1 Mexico claimed they did this 2 or 3 months ago so this is just formalizing and putting in writing what Mexico was already doing.

    On concession #2 the US started doing this last December in San Diego. Mexico officially opposed that action, but Mexico has unofficially accepted and worked with the US to implement it. The concession is that Mexico is now officially accepting this change that they had already unofficially accepted and they will allow the US to implement this along the whole border, not just San Diego.

    I think this is a face saving deal for Trump. Mitch McConnell apparently went to the white house and told them that Republicans in Congress would revolt if Trump imposed tariffs on Mexico. The US and Mexico worked out this face saving agreement where Mexico formally agrees to what it was already doing.

    MikeCA

    June 8, 2019 at 4:05 PM

    • “Mitch McConnell apparently went to the white house and told them that Republicans in Congress would revolt if Trump imposed tariffs on Mexico. ”

      Who is worse, McConnell or Pelosi?

      gothamette

      June 8, 2019 at 11:07 PM

      • With McConnell you always have to watch your back. His refusal to permit a Senate recess, EVEN TO THIS DAY (post-Mueller), shows his true character and intent.

        Pelosi just needs to retire. She’s a formidable woman who has seemingly succumbed to age-relate illness, and is being put under tremendous pressure. One wonders whether she’ll just snap one day, and whether we’ll be able to tell the difference if she does. She’s 79, and done.

        gda53

        June 9, 2019 at 1:37 AM

      • I work in auto manufacturing and we’re already getting walloped by declining new vehicle sales. A lot of American car manufacturing depends on parts coming from Mexico so this would hurt us even worse. Trump promised to help our industry and tariffs on Mexico are counter to this promise.

        XVO

        June 9, 2019 at 8:51 AM

      • In other words, if the story is true, Mitch was protecting Trump from himself.

        XVO

        June 9, 2019 at 8:52 AM

      • XVO, I would much prefer to see your supposed field of work collapse than hear people whine every time Trump tries to address an existential threat to our country.

        Perturabo

        June 9, 2019 at 9:26 PM

      • @XVO

        China has a Belt & Rad plan mapped out for the next 100 years. Will they alter their plan if auto manufacturers in China may possibly take a hit for 3 months while the overall country benefits hugely for the next 99.75 years?

        More likely they tell the auto manufacturers to suck it up while the Big Plan continues to be implemented.

        Of course, you personally will likely need to visit a re-education “camp”. Perhaps permanently.

        At least you don’t face that in the US.

        gda53

        June 10, 2019 at 12:01 AM

      • I do not want to see any industry collapse. But guess what, we’re in a war and in a war there’s a thing called shared sacrifice.

        What XVO is saying is that in this war, big capital takes no sides. Nor do its laborers. That’s understandable but a President has to think of the long term and because of politics and exigencies, he can’t.

        I think that maybe this exchange points out the advantages of the Chinese system over ours: they think in the long term. We don’t.

        gothamette

        June 10, 2019 at 2:19 PM

  2. Prole method? How? Diplomats are supposed to be very sophisticated. If Trump did get some concessions he and/or his people must have worked carefully and unemotionally and behind the scenes. That’s not what proles do. In all of the movies I’ve seen, since I stopped leaving the house in 1973, proles are these loud cop buddy types who bellow at each other while ogling Latinas. Could those people be diplomatic?

    Moviegoer

    June 8, 2019 at 4:46 PM

    • Dude the lion’s chief concerns are social class/social status/public perception, do you see “efficacy” anywhere on that list

      driveallnight

      June 8, 2019 at 11:22 PM

    • Your assumption that proles are incapable of negotiations and diplomacy is unfounded. Trump’s negotiating style is very much quintessential prole:

      PerezHBD

      June 9, 2019 at 8:51 AM

      • What does SWPL negotiation look like?

        njguy73

        June 9, 2019 at 5:22 PM

      • “What does SWPL negotiation look like?”

        Imagine what Mitt Romney looks like negotiating.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 9, 2019 at 6:09 PM

      • What is this? No way is it real footage. It’s not grainy, like anything from that time would be. And they didn’t do The Office-style camera work back then. It has to be fictional but it’s real good. There was such a thing as a New York accent. Like all genuine accents, it’s subtle and can’t be transcribed. When the first guy said “sittin’ there” he dropped the “th” at the beginning of “there.” Other accents of the English language do the same thing, but they don’t do it in the same way.

        Moviegoer

        June 9, 2019 at 8:51 PM

      • It is an excerpt from a documentary made in the 1960’s by a New York film maker named David Hoffman. He’s in his 80’s now. It seems modern because he used a lot of modern techniques that were ahead of his time.

        Here’s his Youtube page if you want to check out more of his stuff:
        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6wBro4B4pf9xnBh9Xi2zcQ

        PerezHBD

        June 10, 2019 at 9:06 AM

      • Still don’t get it, the video is talking with proles (or NAMs in other situations) that trigger unpleasantness, when dealing with them.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        June 11, 2019 at 8:45 AM

      • Re: Trump

        You share a common ground with Trump, since you graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, and he graduated from Wharton. Him, being prolier, because he was a transfer student from a military school.

        Apparently, Wharton is “embarrassed” that Trump is our president.

        https://www.phillymag.com/city/2016/11/09/trump-penn-graduate-embarrassed/

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        June 11, 2019 at 8:50 AM

    • You’re correct, which is why Italian Americans are underrepresented as elites who can’t handle nuance and silence as a way to steer and deter your “adversaries” in any negotiations.

      Smart people cut you off when they don’t want you, where as dumb as a bag of bricks need to make a drama out of it.

      Some of your commenters like to make comparisons between Jews and Italians in a genetic sense and how they are related, but they seem to be polar opposites in personality when it comes to “intellect”.

      Just look at Michael Bloomberg, a billionaire Jewish guy and his take on our relationship with China:

      Now look at Ken Lagone, the Italian American billionaire who owns Home Depot and his take on China:

      Sounds likes your typical bada bing, guido, who huffs and puffs, stuck with his “Staten Island” mentality, and you know why smart, educated people hate proles like him.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      June 10, 2019 at 9:02 PM

  3. Trump fall short of getting a third safe country agreement with Mexico – having a country to serve as a trashbeen or fraudulent asylum claimants – wich would be the only effective solution coupled with a wall. The treators were republican funded by Koch brothers ….

    But he didn’t get nothing. I’m pretty sure that with a populist republican representation, he would have got the Mexican agree to this kind of deal and top of the Wall. If he is re-elected, he should try to get more of the populist kind.

    Bruno

    June 8, 2019 at 4:52 PM

    • Good thing that we have MikeCA here from the National Review to dispel any such delusions 🙂

      Fact Checker

      June 9, 2019 at 3:40 PM

    • Nice find. I agree with the author’s excellent points. This is a major victory for Trump and proof that the US executive branch is the most important branch of government to control/dominate being able to bypass endless talk, sabotage, committees, and opposition.

      You need to think things through carefully before bungling into failure. Even the president’s actions against dangerous criminals, illegal aliens, sanctuary cities/states, border security, and foreign governments are being challenged in the courts though the president mostly wins in the end but acting like fighting the wealthiest companies in America is easy is pretty delusional. This latest wave of censorship began almost as soon as the US government announced a major anti-trust investigation/prosecution. The case will take a while to build/proceed but I do believe major action will be undertaken especially after Trump’s reelection.

      The vast majority isn’t online producing content, writing articles, ginning up outrage, and engaging in despair porn 24/7. On the contrary they’re earning money, attending school, going to work, starting careers, being productive, enjoying simple comforts, and having fun. They’re doing it all in a safer, better, stronger, and more prosperous America thanks to Trump. Unlike in 2015/2016 Trump has powerful institutional backing heading into reelection. Even with political censorship it’s far easier today to communicate and access ideas than thirty years ago.

      The reason he won’t jump the gun against big tech is because it would set a bad precedent. In case you didn’t know the technology sector existed even thrived for years/decades with a light touch regulatory approach. We don’t want the US government and the leftwing, partisan, SJW, hacks who run the day to day business of government dictating who and what can be online. These are some of the same people who support programs like Section 8 relocating the ghetto to suburbia. Thankfully the Trump administration is defunding, declawing, and defanging these agencies.

      Get woke go broke is a valid motto. Companies get woke and indulge in silly prestige projects when they become too big, too wealthy, too safe/comfortable, and need to be cut back down to size. These mega corps properly broken will return to their core mission of creating value not pushing agendas even at the expense of their bottom lines. To even regulate these companies requires them being broken first anyway.

      This big tech censorship drive is also part of the backlash to Trump’s presidency which includes deep state politics like the Atlantic Council and their fake news drive because they know Trump is powerful and his agenda is being successfully enacted. Jewish censorship is part of this as well but secondary to the mainstream media trying to eliminate competition. To even have a chance against Trump in 2020 they need to isolate him from his base, allies, supporters, and fans while depriving them of money/power. However they’re going to lose badly again because they’re fighting the last war Trump’s reelection will play out very differently than his election.

      redarmyvodka

      June 9, 2019 at 4:47 PM

      • Radarmyvodka,

        As I have written elsewhere, Trump avoids being an austerity junkie, preferring a positive and expansive economic growth/MAGA agenda.

        The only time an austerity agenda works is when it has massive populist support and when the costs can be born by the other side. Immigration and social media fit that bill. Social media is especially vulnerable because the Left is pissed off over Trump and the Right is pissed off because of de-platforming. The only friends they will have is those they can buy. That is a very weak position.

        Unfortunately, you’re wrong about the more libertarian aspects here. “Big Tech” has become so rich and powerful because they are monopolies. All of Silicon Valley is what it is because they’ve managed to avoid getting regulated like the public utilities they really are. They think they are “innovators” when they are really just beneficiaries of the same network effects that benefits power and gas companies, where competition is not feasible and switching costs are very high.

        map

        June 9, 2019 at 6:47 PM

  5. If the US were serious about stopping immigration, it would probably help Mexico build a wall on Mexico’s southern border. Mexico’s border with Guatemala is 540 miles; Mexico’s border with Belize is 160 miles. So you’re talking about 700 miles of border total and you probably wouldn’t need to fence / wall all of it. Per mile, it’s probably a lot cheaper to build there, but more importantly, probably easier in terms of environmental stuff — less permitting required.

    GMR

    June 9, 2019 at 9:48 AM

  6. I think this agreement was largely a success for the US. Mexico seems to have been really frightened by the tariff threat. If only the Republican Senate weren’t trying to sabotage Trump.

    Mike Street Station

    June 9, 2019 at 9:50 AM

  7. The strange think is Trump chose to threaten these tariffs on Mexico the same week he sent the USMCA treaty to Congress to try to get it approved. USMCA is Trump’s NAFTA replacement. The government analysis of USMCA says it will raise GDP by 0.35% and create 176,000 jobs after six years. If you dig into the analysis almost all of that improvement in GDP and job creation comes from improved “regulatory certainty”. This means business will be more likely to make significant investments because they believe they can rely on the current trade rules not being changed. This argument is ironic. Before Trump was elected businesses thought they had regulatory certainty and no tariffs with Mexico. Trump created the regulatory uncertainty by threatening to pull the US out of NAFTA. USMCA was suppose to restore regulatory certainty because Trump would not be threatening to cancel it. Now Trump has upset the whole regulatory certainty argument by threatening to impose tariffs on a whim.

    It seems Trump is the actual threat to regulatory certainty and no treaty is going to fix that.

    MikeCA

    June 9, 2019 at 1:12 PM

  8. “I work in auto manufacturing and we’re already getting walloped by declining new vehicle sales. A lot of American car manufacturing depends on parts coming from Mexico so this would hurt us even worse. Trump promised to help our industry and tariffs on Mexico are counter to this promise.”

    It’s not like most of us Americans can really afford a new car anyway. I bought my first and last new car sometime ago and will buy used from now on. I’m doubtful the tariff’s would have been permanent. Congress refuses to rewrite the law and make the asylum nonsense null and void or end the anchor baby scam. I’m glad some action was taken.

    Someone

    June 9, 2019 at 1:16 PM

  9. Effete aristocrats think that acting like a biological male is “prole.” It’s been that way for centuries.

    Fact Checker

    June 9, 2019 at 3:39 PM

    • Proles are the reasons why billionaires are wealthy. Inducing (or exploiting) a person’s appetite for hedonism (food, drink, sex, and objects of eye candy) is wery wery profitable.

      Ok, what, who's this again?

      June 10, 2019 at 7:27 PM

  10. Until you see results it’s all mere drama. Prole, as some say.

    When Trump was first elected there was a reduction in illegal immigration. Once it was understood that nothing would happen illegal immigration skyrocketed to its current highest levels in 20 years.

    It reminds me of Atlantis. When the warnings came from the seers they were ignored by all except for a select few who began their plans to escape.

    Nothing stopped the tsunami.

    Atlantean Perception

    June 9, 2019 at 7:39 PM

  11. Off topic but I am visiting our blog poster JS/ok what’s my name again’s favorite country that is Spain.
    Food here is good but won’t say “out of the world”. Metro in Madrid beats Paris or London in cleanliness any day of the week though.
    Hola JS (whatever ur current handle is).

    Most importantly,

    Is vacationing in Spain prole?

    mpt

    June 10, 2019 at 12:19 PM

    • “Is vacationing in Spain prole?”

      It’s prole to vacation in any place suffering from “overtourism” (because that means everyone is going there, and everyone includes proles), so Barcelona is definitely prole these days:

      https://www.responsibletravel.com/copy/overtourism-in-barcelona

      Instead of contributing to “overtourism” you should stay home (admittedly prole even though staying home is good for “climate change” and reducing your “carbon footprint”) and watch the Woody Allen film Vicky Cristina Barcelona (SWPL).

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 10, 2019 at 12:53 PM

      • Vacationing takes on a new meaning in 2019 and going forward.

        It’s prole to go to Spain or any place else, if your goal is to satisfy your primal urges of eating, drinking, and the possibility of fornicating, with instagramming along the way.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        June 10, 2019 at 3:15 PM

      • Spain has a specific policy to make itself the tourism Mecca with annual tourists about equal to population, and has succeeded since I think the 1960’s, so not sure how that observation really applies.

        China is boasting that its tourism is approaching Spain’s. The US would IMHO have zero unemployment and higher wages if it was even slightly as successful as Spain. Spain is the tourism superpower.

        Robert

        June 11, 2019 at 5:13 AM

      • Id say its prole to even concern yourself with whose going where and whether or not they are proles. What about going to Barcelona because you have a genuine interest in its architecture, urban planning, culture, and history?

        DataExplorer

        June 11, 2019 at 6:43 AM

    • Lion. Thanks for the reply. I guess that settles it, I’m prole. Still not staying home as I particularly don’t care much for climate change. Can’t stand Woody Rapist Allen either.

      Owwta,
      I’m married and off Instagram/most social media. Can’t blame me to for wanting local food though

      Mpt

      June 11, 2019 at 3:27 AM

      • If I was in Spain, my prerogative would be touring the grand museums, libraries and the UNESCO sites.

        Ok, what, who's this again?

        June 11, 2019 at 8:33 AM


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