Irony of Trump and white nationalists
It’s ironic that white nationalists love Trump, because white nationalists hate Jews, and if Trump becomes president he will be the most culturally Jewish president in American history. His daughter is Jewish, and probably a plurality of his top employees are Jewish. His CFO Allen Weisselberg and his top lawyers Alan Garten and Jason Greenblatt (Yeshiva University graudate) are likely Jewish based on their last names. As well as his attorney and Executive Vice President Michael Cohen who often represents Trump on TV interviews and his previous general counsel Bernie Diamond. And Cathy Hoffman Glosser, his EVP of Global Licensing. And Eric Danziger, the CEO of the Trump Hotel Collection. And the old guy who worked for him on his TV Show, George Ross. And of course is own daughter who is his EVP of Development and Acquisitions.
Also, Trump once served as the grand marshal of the Salute to Israel Parade.
Lion of the Blogosphere 
You need to distinguish between stupid white nationalists (the overwhelming majority) and smart white nationalists. Most white nationalists are not strategic thinkers like Hitler was. They think they can use Trump to get rid of the Muslims and Hispanics after which they will “wake up” the masses about the Jews and then get rid of them.
Smart white nationalists, and there are a lot more of them in Europe, hate Trump because they know that they need the Muslims to get rid of the Jews. This is why European white nationalists absolutely loathe the UKIP and National Front.
More polls: Trump just hit 41% nationally in the new Monmouth poll. Now certainly this poll is an outlier but still it is the first national real poll showing trump at over 40%. In this poll the establishment only consolidates at 20% which we know is impossible.
An interesting tidbit in this poll is that only 16% of republican primary voters would be upset about a Trump nomination. So the hard core Trump haters are loud, but their numbers are marginal. Over 2/3 of republican primary voters would either be excited or satisfied with a Trump nomination.
Otis the Sweaty
December 14, 2015 at 12:33 PM
“Smart white nationalists, and there are a lot more of them in Europe, hate Trump because they know that they need the Muslims to get rid of the Jews. This is why European white nationalists absolutely loathe the UKIP and National Front.”
This does not make any sense. France is 10% Muslim. Is it effectively Jew-free? Are there really no Jews in power anywhere in France because of the Muslims?
map
December 14, 2015 at 5:07 PM
True white nationalism is about destroying Israel. If you listen to enough paleocons/white nationalists you will see that is there first priority, and for a lot of them their only priority. European WNs are more honest about this but American WNs don’t know how to do Nazism properly for the most part.
The problem with being anti Israel is the Arab/Islamic world has repeatedly demonstrated that it isn’t up to the task of getting rid of it. And since China and Russia obviously don’t care about Israel that means the only way to get rid of Israel is for the western world to attack it. Well that isn’t going to happen unless the West brings in A LOT more Muslims.
Otis the Sweaty
December 14, 2015 at 5:30 PM
This makes no sense. White nationalists seem to want to remove Jews from their countries. What does Israel have to do with this? Israel would be someplace for the Jews to go.
map
December 14, 2015 at 6:08 PM
Most paleocons/wn’s don’t care about making their countries Judenfrei. At most, they give lip service to the idea. They care about getting rid of Israel.
You don’t have to take my word for it, read Stormfront or Takimag. You can also look at the platforms of the real nationalist parties in Europe: Golden Dawn and Jobbik and they are both explicit that getting rid of Israel is their number 1 priority.
Otis the Sweaty
December 14, 2015 at 6:35 PM
True white nationalism is about destroying Israel. If you listen to enough paleocons/white nationalists you will see that is there first priority, and for a lot of them their only priority.
That is just Jewish paranoid nonsense.
I wouldn’t consider myself a so-called White nationalist but from what I can tell destroying Israel is low on their list of priorities.
They rightfully see plenty of Jewish double standards – nationalism, “group self interest for me but not for thee” – esp in relation to Israel.
True, some of them have a bizarre love of non-White Palestinians for anti Jewish reasons but these are the fringe of the fringe.
Rifleman
December 15, 2015 at 12:07 PM
True, some of them have a bizarre love of non-White Palestinians for anti Jewish reasons but these are the fringe of the fringe.
That’s what I’m trying to tell you, they are NOT the fringe. They are the overwhelming majority of Stormfronters and Takimaggers. I also suspect that Jobbik and Golden Dawn know a little more about White Nationalism than you do and they make it clear that getting rid of Israel is their number 1 priority.
Also I would hardly consider Palestinians “non white”. They aren’t European but then again neither are Georgians or Armenians and everybody (except for some stupid WNs) considers those groups white. This is why any version of “white nationalism” is idiotic.
Otis the Sweaty
December 15, 2015 at 1:14 PM
White Nationalist are all disgusting filth. They are all Jew-hating scum. I wish they would come here so that I could argue with them. I would hand their heads to them and just shove their words up their ugly asses. I refuse to go on their site and lower myself to their right brained troglodyte level.
gothamette
December 14, 2015 at 5:13 PM
Jew-hating comments aren’t welcome here. WN should stay where they are.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM
Most white nationalists are not strategic thinkers like Hitler was. They think they can use Trump to get rid of the Muslims and Hispanics after which they will “wake up” the masses about the Jews and then get rid of them.
I think most of the Euro-nationalists are either sincerely friendly with Jews or simply have lost interest because the post-Holocaust Jews of Europe are too small to get riled up over. There’s no evidence at all Geert Wilders and Farage have anti-semitic sentiments while Marine Le Pen seems neutral towards Jews.
The Undiscovered Jew
December 14, 2015 at 5:53 PM
I recognize all their names. I realized you wouldn’t allow them to to be anti Semitic on your website, but I really wish that I could engage them here. They are creeps and liars.
gothamette
December 14, 2015 at 8:12 PM
I’m a white nationalist. I believe the US should remain majority Anglo-American and that we should take pride in our ethnicity and consider our group interest like everybody else. Come at me bro-ette.
The Anti-Gnostic
December 15, 2015 at 8:50 AM
@anti-gnostic,
And your point is?
gothamette
December 15, 2015 at 7:16 PM
Everyone knows there’s different strains of White Nationalism, just as there is different strains of, say, Judaism. Some want a homeland with only White Gentiles mimicking Israel which is only for White Jews, while others are more inclusive – Jared Taylor “they [the Jews] look White to me,” for example.
Shawn
December 14, 2015 at 5:37 PM
There’s a difference. Israel will allow anyone who is married to a Jew or any child adopted by a Jewish couple to also live there. A White racist state would make interracial marriage and adoption illegal. Also, anyone of any race can convert to Judaism. As for being White, you’re either born White or born Colored.
SC
December 15, 2015 at 12:15 AM
20% of the Israeli population is not Jewish, 50% of the Jews in Israel are not white, they are Arab Jews or even fully black Ethiopians or almost black Yemenites. The culture is certainly not white, the most popular music is oriental pop which is close to Turkish and Greek music, the fast food is oriental, you will find it hard to find an east European NY style deli in Israel.
Hashed
December 15, 2015 at 10:34 PM
Most white nationalists are not strategic thinkers like Hitler was.
Hitler got his country destroyed, his women raped en masse, brought the ideology he hated into the heart of Europe, and ensured the downfall of the British Empire, which he admired. That is the quality of his strategic thought.
But your statement is true in the sense that most white nationalists are not even that good at strategic thought. They are even more bottom-of-the-barrel stupid.
Tarl
December 14, 2015 at 9:08 PM
You left out that he forced his generals to invade Russia just as winter was coming on. That was brilliant.
gothamette
December 15, 2015 at 7:17 PM
Oh, my bad, Operation Barbarossa commenced on Jun 5 1941. Even so, it was a debacle. Happily.
gothamette
December 15, 2015 at 7:20 PM
The invasion of the SU was the right move. America was going to prop up the UK forever and being hemmed in by the Allied blockade while the UK chopped away at Italy and the SU continued to build up its army was not a viable strategic choice. It was now or never for the Nazis.
Otis the Sweaty
December 15, 2015 at 9:14 PM
Agree with Otis. Invading the USSR was necessary (not least because Stalin was going to attack him at some point) and summer 1941 was the time to do it.
The actual execution of the campaign… the decision to treat the population like vermin so they did not rise up against the Soviet regime… the decision to mistreat Soviet POWs so every Red Army trooper knew he had no choice but to fight to the death… not so good.
Tarl
December 16, 2015 at 1:09 PM
And also wasting a lot of soldiers in the Balkans campaign? Not a great strategic thinker.
gothamette
December 16, 2015 at 1:57 PM
You guys have your head up your butt cracks. Invading Russia is always a very bad idea. Do you know the meaning of the word rasputitsa?
gothamette
December 16, 2015 at 1:58 PM
1. Since Russia was going to attack Germany at some point, Hitler had no choice but to attack first. The only question was when to do it, and 1941 was the right time. Many people judge, in retrospect, that Barbarossa had no chance of success, but it did not seem so at the time. Even the British and Americans expected the Germans to defeat the Russians quickly.
2. Germany defeated Russia in 1917, and therefore in 1941 there was a recent example of an invasion of Russia that did work. Hitler’s view was that Germany was stronger in 1941 than she was in 1917, and Russia was weaker due to the corrosive effects of Bolshevism and the purge of the Red Army.
You can see that up above that I disagreed with Otis’s assertion that Hitler was a “strategic thinker”. The results of his strategy speak for themselves. But not every strategic decision Hitler made was wrong.
Tarl
December 16, 2015 at 2:17 PM
The German plan was to destroy the Soviet army at the border which would cause the SU to collapse. It failed, but it was the right move based on the information the Germans had available to them. Both British and US intelligence expected the SU to go down in a few months, if that.
As things happened, the Germans inflicted such a crushing blow on the Soviets in the first 5 months that, combined with Stalin’s incompetence, it frequently was unclear for the next year that the Soviet Union would even survive at all. And indeed the SU certainly would have collapsed if not for Allied food aid which kept the country from outright starvation.
As for the Balkan’s campaign, it didn’t have any effect on German operations in Russia and was necessary to bail out the Italians who had somehow managed to start losing their war against Greece.
Otis the Sweaty
December 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM
“Smart white nationalists, and there are a lot more of them in Europe, hate Trump because they know that they need the Muslims to get rid of the Jews. This is why European white nationalists absolutely loathe the UKIP and National Front”.
None of that is true in the slightest. No true WNs are willing to flood Europe with Muslims to get rid of Jews. Though, that seems to be a good strategy for Zionists to pressure Jews to move to Israel.
Most of your opinions read like the creative thoughts of an anti-White teenager who fancies himself an expert on WNs. Its rare that your opinion is a close reflection of reality.
Ed
December 14, 2015 at 9:20 PM
Maybe you should go try to educate Golden Dawn and Jobbik about “true” white nationalism. Also Marine Le Pen’s numerous WN enemies (French WN’s HATE Marine Le Pen).
I admit that most WNs do not support mass Islamic immigration into Europe but that is because most WNs are stupid. Intelligent WNs DO support mass Islamic immigration into Europe. Similarly, American Paleocons like Ron Paul (douchebag) and the late Joseph Sobran support/ed mass Hispanic immigration into the US.
Otis the Sweaty
December 15, 2015 at 12:48 AM
“Smart white nationalists, and there are a lot more of them in Europe, hate Trump because they know that they need the Muslims to get rid of the Jews. This is why European white nationalists absolutely loathe the UKIP and National Front.”
This is a really bone head comment.
Sagi is my Guru
December 15, 2015 at 9:07 AM
“Not only do I have Jewish grandchildren, I have a Jewish daughter and I am very honored by that … it wasn’t in the plan but I am very glad it happened.”
Trump is definitely is a “Judeophile” of sorts.
Sid
December 14, 2015 at 12:36 PM
White nationalists don’t actually like Trump or think he will change things much, but just that he is moving the Overton Window is very exciting.
thrasymachus33308
December 14, 2015 at 12:46 PM
Trump looks the most Aryan of any contemporary candidate, kind of like a barbarian overlord. That combined with his alpha persona and nationalist policies must be enough to get some white nationalists salivating.
B.T.D.T.
December 14, 2015 at 12:51 PM
Wait till they hear about his in-laws, who happened to New York Jews. They might not support him anymore!!!
But then, quite a number of reformed anti-semites, are now Israel supporters!!!
Many Meriproles are nutjobs!!!
JS
December 14, 2015 at 2:03 PM
Lion has stated that Jews vote for liberals because they dislike Christianity which is a large part of the American right. But this means that these Jews dislike Christianity more than they dislike liberal immigration and multiculturalism / multiracialism. That’s a problem. Israel aside, Jews have never supported nationalism. I think most WN’s who hate Jews simply think that Jews won’t fit in & integrate within a future White culturally Christian state and they foresee continued ethnic conflict, so they think separation is best.
Shawn
December 14, 2015 at 5:48 PM
Jews are not culturally European, and they belong to no Euro nation by religious affiliation or ethnic identification. Their mode of existence in White domains is also that of extremes. A low status social pariah or an upper class social parasite!!!
JS
December 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM
You know that Christianity comes from the same place as Judaism, according to the Gospels which are Truth.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 15, 2015 at 12:45 PM
White Nationalists are an insignificant minority in USA. The media are using guilt by association to tar Trump.
They could just as easily run articles about how ISIS is against Trump’s immigration plans and supports more Muslim immigration to the West. They could run articles on how Middle Eastern countries that are denouncing Trump have real religious tests and they support Muslim immigration to the west because they believe it helps Islamic Supremacy in the future.
ISIS and Muslim theocracies have more influence yet the media is focusing on White Nationalists.
Jimi
December 14, 2015 at 12:56 PM
Marion Le Pen is a 10 in this pic: http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/12/Marion-Le-Pen-GettyImages-640×480.jpg
Otis the Sweaty
December 14, 2015 at 1:03 PM
I think she is a seven there.
CamelCaseRob
December 14, 2015 at 1:58 PM
Well the far bigger irony is that paranoid liberal left Jews are running around claiming Trump is Hitler 2.0.
They don’t seem to want to notice some of the details you highlighted.
The 5 or 6 meaningless people in America who make up the dreaded KKK/neo nazi crowd are only ever brought up as perverse entertainment for liberal White folks so they can feel superior and anti-racist.
Or in this case to tarnish some Evil White Man like Trump.
Rifleman
December 14, 2015 at 1:03 PM
Since when has being pro-Jewish stopped Jews bashing certain groups?
That’s the story of Southern Evangelicals. Highly pro-Jewish and pro-Israel, yet still mocked and derided in Jewish cultural products.
Carpenizer
December 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM
This is a case of confusing liberals with all Jews. Prole Jews in Brooklyn aren’t mocking any evangelicals, at least not any more than they would look with disdain on all gentiles.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 14, 2015 at 5:09 PM
It is not just Liberal Jews who think Trump is Hitler, it is the majority of young liberals. They have “caught” antisemitism from Muslims and other lunatics on college campuses. It is very disturbing. I think it started with the whole Pallywood fraud which tries to make Israelis look like satan.
Rosenmop
December 14, 2015 at 3:28 PM
Leftism is naturally antisemitic. Leftists will always regard nationalism and religiosity as illegitimate, so Israel as a Jewish nation-state is, of course, illegitimate. Combine this with a natural power struggle within the Left itself, and it is easy to see antisemitism flowering.
map
December 14, 2015 at 5:48 PM
They are Emmanual Goldstein — the imaginary enemy that everyone ritually hates and fears.
Tarl
December 14, 2015 at 9:09 PM
It’s politics. In politics people make common cause with and support people that they think will advance their goals, even if they might not share the same ideology or background.
For example, Richard Spencer and other “alt-right” figures and sites that are cited in the Vice article supported Obama for president, arguing that just having a black president would make many people uncomfortable and bring more people into their views and cause, which does seem to have happened to some extent. With Trump, they believe that he may help shift the Overton Window and make their views and cause more common and mainstream, regardless of Trump’s own personal views, affiliations, relationships, etc.
Tom
December 14, 2015 at 1:42 PM
I didn’t read past the VICE headline. VICE are a bunch of leftwing dirtbags who want to undermine Trump by claiming “white supremacists” support him. You don’t want to be one of ~those~ do you? Then you’d better not support Trump! Of course, fringe groups will try to capitalize on it to boost their members. First they’ll say Obama is driving their membership. Then they’ll say Trump is driving it. $PLC says the same thing. The true irony is how the marxists and nazis will both work together to promote this perception.
destructure
December 14, 2015 at 2:04 PM
He could have linked to one of the actual white nationalist sites currently whipping themselves up into a Trump-worshipping frenzy, but our Lion wouldn’t do that.
Who knows, long-term maybe it’ll turn some of them into Judeophiles. They like Trump so much they might align their views with his, when they figure out that no, he really doesn’t hate the Jews.
IHTG
December 14, 2015 at 4:00 PM
The VICE documentaries on YouTube are often outstanding.
Sagi is my Guru
December 15, 2015 at 9:11 AM
His daughter is in now way “Jewish” in a white nationalist sense. She is the daughter of a German and a Czech. Her children would be considered Mischling and she herself would be looked down on for marrying a Jew, but white nationalist do not believe a person can “self identify” away their own race. Ivanka is considered white no matter what religion she claims to follow just like Robert Novak would be considered a Jew despite his adult baptism and membership in the Catholic Church.
btw- I’m pretty sure one of Trump’s sons married a Jew too.
PerezHBD
December 14, 2015 at 2:10 PM
True. Those who matter would view her as just another dumb shiksa.
Carpenizer
December 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM
Her children would be considered Mischling and she herself would be looked down on for marrying a Jew,
The political problem is how does a successful antisemitic movement get going in the United States if elite gentile whites like Trump are heavily intermarried with Jews?
The New York Times has estimated 5% of all white Americans are at least a quarter Jewish. It’s very unlikely that anything but an irrelevant fringe segment of half and quarter Jews would want anything to do with political antisemitism. And at least another 10-15% of, usually higher IQ, white gentiles have direct family relations (spouse, grandchildren, nieces and nephews…) to Jewish and partially Jewish relatives.
Remember even Nazi Germany had to make all sorts of exceptions for part-Jews and Jews with German spouses. If Hitler himself had to treat intermarriage delicately then it’s all but impossible for an antisemitic movement to gain traction here.
The Undiscovered Jew
December 14, 2015 at 5:51 PM
You don’t focus on Jews. You focus on Leftism.
Any serious anti-Leftist movement will become anti-Semitic because of the huge percentage of Jewish leftists.
In the future, even being anti-Leftist will be associated with anti-Semitism, much like being pro-Trump makes you a Nazi.
map
December 14, 2015 at 6:27 PM
This is only in the imagination of Jew-hating White Nationalists.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 14, 2015 at 6:28 PM
What is?
map
December 14, 2015 at 6:34 PM
Any serious anti-Leftist movement will become anti-Semitic because of the huge percentage of Jewish leftists.
Intermarriage makes this impossible as far as American politics are concerned. Even Nazi Germany found intermarriage complicated their preferred policies, their remaining internet rump defenders have no hope of finding a way around this obstacle.
The Undiscovered Jew
December 14, 2015 at 7:45 PM
I re-read my comment. It’s not what I meant.
Leftism is the primary problem. Leftism is what should be fought and it will roll up the leftist Jews and Gentiles alike, though in different proportions.
In a last ditch effort to save leftism, the leftists will try to associate anti-leftism with anti-semitism.
map
December 14, 2015 at 11:26 PM
Any sort of popular anti-Semitic movement in the US would not be dominated by elites, of whatever background. It would be some sort of populist movement comprised of non-elites.
The “alt-right” is an internet based intellectual movement, rather than a popular political movement, and it seems to be basically anti-Semitic, although its members seem to vary in their degree of anti-Semitism and how much anti-Semitism they’re willing to express. Many of the alt-right blogs and Twitter that are pro-Trump also tend to be very anti-Semitic.
Tom
December 15, 2015 at 3:30 PM
A Jewish-friendly candidate who wants to reduce immigration vs 10 or 12 Jewish-friendly candidates who want to continue destroying the country. Sort-of a no-brainer. And yeah, “white nationalists” as such are maybe 0.01 percent of the population, so no one but straw men really talk about them.
onetwothree
December 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM
It’s almost as if American pols are vetted on certain issues before being allowed even a whiff of power.
Just ask Ron Paul.
Carpenizer
December 14, 2015 at 2:39 PM
As much I hate the GOPe, I support the way they rigged the game against Ron Paul (douchebag). Just goes to show that even the most loathsome of people have their uses.
Otis the Sweaty
December 14, 2015 at 5:35 PM
Good point. I’ll point out that Jared Taylor is more or less that father of modern White nationalism and he loves, loves, loves Jews. I think that most White nationalists just want to be left alone, and those that want a White Gentile state like to point out the fact that they, even though they are White, cannot immigrate to Israel (if they wanted to) because they aren’t Jewish – they want the White Gentile version of the Jewish State: Israel. Seems fair, seems consistent to me.
Shawn
December 14, 2015 at 4:07 PM
This is silly. Israel isn’t a white Jewish state. It’s a diverse Jewish state. Jews are unique.
Yakov
December 15, 2015 at 12:43 AM
“white nationalists” as such are maybe 0.01 percent of the population
But they are vastly overrepresented in the commanding heights of politics, culture, the media, academia…
/sarc
Tarl
December 14, 2015 at 9:12 PM
Those of you who keep pointing out that WN’s are fringe amongst the general population are ignoring the fact that they are not fringe of, and probably are the majority of, the alt right. Hence Lion brings them up a lot because while they have 0 broader cultural significance, they are a big deal in our movement.
Otis the Sweaty
December 14, 2015 at 2:29 PM
This is a very good point. Wish I had thought of it.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 14, 2015 at 5:08 PM
Don’t forget his Doctor. The recently published letter that says he’ll be “the healthiest president ever” is from a jewish surname.
George
December 14, 2015 at 2:31 PM
Here’s another one for you:
Real-estate mogul Donald Trump’s campaign released a report on Monday that declared he’d be the healthiest president “ever.”
Needless to say, the letter — from the Republican front-runner’s personal physician, Harold Bornstein — is pure Trump.
Bornstein wrote that Trump’s laboratory results were “astonishingly excellent” and that Trump’s “physical strength and stamina are extraordinary.”
“If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency,” he concluded…
…”If elected, the businessman would take office at the age of 70, making him the oldest person ever to ascend to the presidency,” Politico’s Ben Schreckinger wrote in the story. “Over the course of his presidential campaign, Trump has said that he does not exercise or play sports regularly and that he eats whatever he wants – a diet heavy on bacon and steak.”
LOL. Donald “Paleo” Trump.
Rifleman
December 14, 2015 at 2:38 PM
I don’t see why you believe White Nationalists are stupid. Were any of the Founding Fathers not White? How is multiculturalism and diversity working out where you live? Trump has their support because he’s the only one who even marginally represents them. All this Anti-White hate by people claiming Whites are prejudiced is so stupid its not even funny. Lemme tell you boys, White Supremacy is Western Civilization. Without White Supremacy you end up with Detroit or crapholistan.
Joshua Sinistar
December 14, 2015 at 2:50 PM
It’s OK for white people to look out for their own interests, but White Nationalists in the U.S.A. are 99% stupid.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 14, 2015 at 5:12 PM
“…but White Nationalists in the U.S.A. are 99% stupid”.
This is not a thoughtful comment. On what group is your assertion based? On the average prole with WN sympathies? On the average internet lurker? On the average skinhead? On the average WN intellectual and their readers? What is your sample population?
It seems to me that you have taken a defensive tone that is likely based on antisemitic basement WN websites that likely draw from mostly the same relatively small population. The reality is that most Trump supporters likely harbor WN sympathies and most Trump supporters have never in earnest visited a WN website.
In other words, there is a large population that is likely missing from your idea of what a WN might be.
The truth is that most people in most Caucasoid groups are at least 98% average-to-stupid, by definition. Also, by definition, anyone who is engaged in politics who is not discussing said politics on the true level from which they precipitate is, at the least, ignorant to the degree that it is functionally the same as stupid.
Like it or not, most people to include most Jews are stupid using these constraints.
Most WNs are politically stupid / naive. Yes. Also, most Jews and Jewish Nationalists are politically stupid; especially when it comes to WNs. If they aren’t stupid and hold influence, then they are likely complicit in some manner for the growth of antisemitism. Non-stupid conservative Jews with a voice would fight back by denouncing Leftist Jewish Power tactics that incubate antisemitism. Unless, of course, they feel as if they are politically assisted by the growth in antisemitism. That would be smart, but a shame for the average Jew such as yourself. I sincerely have empathy. Average conservative Jews are in a tough spot. However, WNs aren’t truly to blame, are they, no matter how much they skew toward average?
Ed
December 14, 2015 at 10:35 PM
Were any of the Founding Fathers not White? How is multiculturalism and diversity working out where you live?
The founding fathers treated Jews as whites. So did the Victorian British, Confederates, and Lincoln who repeatedly stated blacks slaves were unassimilable and should be returned to Africa.
The Undiscovered Jew
December 14, 2015 at 5:44 PM
White nationalists who don’t like Jews are a tiny fraction of the population. Most Trump supporters have no trouble with Jews and like Israel a lot.
Rosenmop
December 14, 2015 at 3:29 PM
These alt-rite folks who think Trump is broadening the Overton Window are not seeing clearly. Trump appeals to their distaste for Islamic and Hispanic immigration SO AS TO BLUNT their keen insights on black on white savagery. The manner in which the jihadist and migger HATE the American is not equal to the way that the Jewish anti-supremacist and nigger hate the (white) American. So in this manner, the REFOCUS on Trump and his immigration stance is a DISTRACTION from the fact that he is seeking to mend black/white fences due the repercussion of the race-realist meme that had dominated “wn” discourse pre-Trump.
thordaddy
December 14, 2015 at 3:42 PM
So in contra alt-rite fashion, Trump appeals to an alt-rite desire and all most alt-riters can sense is a satiating of that desire. Few can “see” a blunting of their race-realism whose proximate violent effect is much more likely. Ergo, letting niggers run “invisibly” wild is much more dangerous than Muslim and Hispanic immigration IN THE SHORT TERM… And because one acknowledges an existential crisis then the short term is really all you have to work with… If Trump where to really broaden the Overton Window, he would have appealed to both the radical autonomy of the jihad, migger AND nigger. And then pressed upon the tyranny of the homodyke… In other words, one can really only broaden the Overton Window by espousing genuine white Supremacy. Anything less is simply submission to the most radical cabal of liberationists.
thordaddy
December 14, 2015 at 3:51 PM
yawn. Blacks will always be a part of America. We can’t undo the slave trade from the 17th and 18th centuries. The last chance for that was repatriation after the Civil War and America chose a different path.
It doesn’t have to be that way with the Muslims.
Andrew E.
December 14, 2015 at 5:18 PM
“Blacks will always be a part of America.”
A bigger question is whether whites will always be a part of America. The answer is no unless we change course immediately.
Mark Caplan
December 14, 2015 at 7:49 PM
Sure. Whites should work towards becoming more Christian, as a group, again. And strong and confident. Reign in their slutty women, regain their virtue and be worthy of leadership again.
Andrew E.
December 15, 2015 at 12:06 AM
Blacks will always be a part of America.
Sterilization targeted strictly on behavioral grounds could easily weed them out over time. A sterilization program targeted only at criminals would immediately have as a candidate pool 30% of all black men. If expanded to just drug addicts and longterm welfare recipients a quality sterilization-for-welfare/better prison conditions would sterilize well over 50% of blacks .;
The Undiscovered Jew
December 14, 2015 at 5:59 PM
I’m not interested in forced sterilization or eugenics programs undertaken by the state, that is evil.
Shame welfare queens, shame single motherhood, shame bastardy. Stop subsidizing it all.
Let whites self-segregrate. Let whites live away from blacks if desired.
Make marriage traditional (one man, one woman) and high status again. Make divorce difficult. Make families support themselves, supplemented by charity if necessary, not welfare.
Andrew E.
December 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM
I’m not interested in forced sterilization or eugenics programs undertaken by the state, that is evil.
Criminals should be forcibly sterilized. That alone automatically removes 30% of the black male population from the future gene pool.
Discincentivizing welfare dependents to have children merely leads to more contraceptive use and abortions; it’s no more immoral to just give them vasectomies and tubal ligation in exchange for state support. Arguably less immoral because sterilization would cut abortions of unwanted black pregnancies.
The Undiscovered Jew
December 14, 2015 at 8:18 PM
Jared Taylor is not an anti-Semite as far as I can tell. A lot of the other WN types do.
Greg Pandatshang
December 14, 2015 at 3:42 PM
Jared Taylor is not an anti-Semite because he is smart. He realizes that Jews have too much to offer to be made enemies. They should be the natural allies of Gentiles in lording over the lesser races. However, they must respect each others boundaries.
B.T.D.T.
December 14, 2015 at 9:03 PM
Jared Taylor is not an anti-Semite
I’m pretty sure his wife is Jewish, don’t know about kids.
Rifleman
December 15, 2015 at 11:54 AM
But Jews won’t vote for him and there will be no end of the Jew here or there who will assert that Trump is actually an antisemite.
Daniel
December 14, 2015 at 3:59 PM
It’s also ironic that so many Jews hate him and won’t vote for him.
gothamette
December 14, 2015 at 5:03 PM
My mother loves him. So does my Uncle. But I have a prole Jewish family.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 14, 2015 at 5:18 PM
Norman Lear notices none of those details when he quotes hysterics about Trump in a recent Hollywood Reporter article. His People for the American Way organization is full throttle against Trump for his “religious discrimination.”
Funny how Muslims are horrible throwback terrorists in the Middle East but, as soon as they cross the border into Europe or America, they become Holy Immigrants facing discrimination.
map
December 14, 2015 at 5:06 PM
If Lear gets offed by some muzzie, I won’t be crying.
Mobutu
December 14, 2015 at 9:39 PM
Norman Lear’s father, Herman, was the basis for Archie. Herman would have been a Trump supporter.
Norman imagines that he’s far more sophisticated than his father and so he believes in all sorts of
kumbaya nonsense.
I can imagine Norman having one of those “coexist” bumper stickers on his Bentley.
Nedd Ludd
December 15, 2015 at 5:42 AM
Norman Lear is a hardcore Hollywood leftist. His organization is a fundraising shield. Nothing else going on here, let’s move on.
gothamette
December 15, 2015 at 9:27 AM
Norman Lear is a hardcore Hollywood leftist. His organization is a fundraising shield. Nothing else going on here, let’s move on.
gothamette
December 15, 2015 at 9:27 AM
The worst anti-whites aren’t even jews, they are liberal swpl types- with practically zero jews, Germany and Sweden are the most anti-white countries. Compare to France and UK, where Jews are pro-white.
Most liberal swpl gentiles hate Israel now because they are anti-immigration and anti-islam.
Jews are found at the top of most organizations because ashkenazis have a 1 SD advantage over gentiles for whatever reason, so they will always gravitate towards leadership no matter where they are. I think their success fuels a lot of resentment.
Nowadays jews are mostly assimilated and are seen by almost everyone as basically just another flavor of white, like an Irish or an Italian, especially considering the intermarriage rate, no one cares about being Jewish anymore. It’s not like in 100 years there will be any non-orthodox hasidim type jews left anyways. Being jewish is not going to save any American from anti-white pogroms by Black Lives Matter activists.
Gentile whites have the most to fear of gentile whites, who are the most vicious and most pathologically altruistic.
jjbees
December 14, 2015 at 5:30 PM
gotta love trump!
rivelino
December 14, 2015 at 5:48 PM
Rabidly and blindly anti-Semitic WNs are a bane to White Nationalist interests to the point that they may as well be either a creation of the Left or agent provocateurs.
This is for several reasons:
1. Such focus prevents higher level discourse. Keeping the “Jewish question” as the primary strategic and historically failed focus disallows for focus where it needs to be: on the philosophical level that Aleksandr Dugin and his allies suggest.
2. It keeps actual public meetings dangerous and unfeasible both for doxing reasons and the reason that the rabid hate draws unstable individuals.
3. It damns the 10-120% of Jews that might be valuable allies and, in my observation, non-Jews with a little Jewish blood when the paranoia gets the best of frustrated young men.
In the defense of those WNs who cannot see past the “Jewish question”:
1. There is no significant Jewish political group or power that fights against Leftist Jewish power except when it comes to Israel. This is a vexing reality for most WNs to overlook when they are told to not be antisemitic. This might be able to be dismissed as a symptom of the West rather than the nature of greater Jewry, but the Far-Right in Israel, to include Likud (yes, they are far-Right on an international relative scale), gives no support to the Right outside of Israel or its international support. Just the opposite when they associate with other groups or comment at all.
2. Orthodox Judaism refuses to discuss the religion with outsiders in any significant or otherwise genuine manner, leaving some of its ostensibly unsavory concepts and eschatology open to outside critique and paranoia.
3. Jews on both the Left and the Right very often hold double political standards when it comes to Jewish (implicitly racial) Nationalism and European Racial Nationalism. This extends to powerful groups such as the ADL and WJC.
4. The Leftist controlled educational system does not provide the foundation for anyone, to include most Leftists themselves, to understand history outside of propaganda. When that often simplistic propaganda is breached then organized Jewish power involvement in historical political events is an obvious target. Ninety-nine percent of the time, the organized Jewish political response from groups such as the ADL is no more than the ineffectual “anti-semite” slur rather than an engagement in historical / political reality.
In conclusion, most antisemitic WNs are woefully misled strategically, morally, and philosophically (as are most WN haters here). However, organized political Jewry seems to do everything in their power to reinforce their perceptions. Last, I have no issues with fighting Leftist organized Jewry anymore than I have fighting Leftism in general. An accusation of antisemite will not dissuade most of us.
I challenge righteous Jews to challenge the representatives of Leftist Jewish Power when we are branded antisemites for valid criticism and we will continue to challenge the indiscriminately antisemitic WNs. This dynamic might better lead to WNs being more specific in what they despise, and a future cooperation and increase in sophistication toward what our superficially split camps are mutually working toward for the future.
Ed
December 14, 2015 at 9:15 PM
“Orthodox Judaism refuses to discuss the religion with outsiders ”
Orthodox Jews don’t believe in converting anyone. Isn’t that a lot better than Muslims who want to convert the world, by the sword if necessary?
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 14, 2015 at 10:23 PM
This isn’t true, strictly speaking. Orthodox Judaism is intolerant of what it views to be polytheism (Christianity in their eyes), the same as Islam. Jewish eschatology calls for a future enforced intolerance of polytheism as well as a Noachide conversion of gentiles. In fact, the Noachide law calls for decapitation of polytheists in their World to Come. Whether that comes to be or not is not the point. The point is that the only real difference is that Orthodox and Conservative Jews are more future oriented with this outcome, whereas the Muslims would forcefully convert everyone now if given the power.
However, on to the central discussion. That Orthodox and Conservative Jews do not seek converts is irrelevant. Most religious teaching is open to non-adherents, especially with sects thought to be a mainstream accepted population or seeking to be thought of as such. To illustrate, most interested Jews know and can know most if not all there is to know about Catholicism. Nothing significant in dogma nor law is hidden nor untranslated. That Jews are not Catholic is not an issue when it comes to accurate and rather complete education in Catholicism. Wanting such knowledge is natural, as we all wish to know what our willing neighbors hold to be central to their worldview.
Jews have a historical issue dealing with what is referred to as antisemitism, which is a term that implies an irrational and generalized racism toward anyone who is ethnically/racially Jewish. However, a close examination of antisemitism, both historically and in the present, reveals that a significant portion of it revolves around gentile interpretation of Jewish religious Law and eschatology. This has been going on for centuries, and likely well over one millenium.
Despite this long continued source of antisemitism, Jewish religious teaching remains mostly secret / untaught outside of Judaism. While most Jews could likely give a quick and accurate synopsis of the central core of Christian belief, it is the rare gentile who could tell accurately define what Judaism is or what it believes in at its philosophical, theological, legal, and eschatological cores.
Considering the fact that gentile discovery and ostensibly incorrect interpretation of Jewish beliefs has been such a long and tragic source of historical antisemtitism, it seems to me to be a horrible and curious oversight that Judaic religious teaching is kept largely a mystery when it is meaningfully translated out of Hebrew or Aramaic at all.
So, as far as the average curious gentile is concerned, Judaism remains largely an unpenetrable religion. However, occasionally, something will leak out of the cracks of the yeshiva that startles that gentile. Take Ovadia Yosef’s gentile-slavery comments for a good example. There are many more examples that are derived mainstream media documented quotations or authoritative text, and require no gentile interpretation. Once this occurs, absent any meaningful revelation of the inner core of Jewish religious teaching to gentiles, there exists a perfect formula for significant hostility against Jewish populations.
That was my point in suggesting that Orthodox Jews be completely open with their teachings, Law, and belief system. Though, I suppose that first they will have to abrogate the edict that they lie to gentiles when it serves them or protects them as they might frame it. The teaching will have to be credible.
Finally, I don’t buy into the disingenuous excuses that are constantly used for why Jewish groups are secretive or behave in a manner that is ultimately self serving. From a conservative standpoint, I don’t begrudge them the “no seeking converts” policy, that is reinforced with difficult if not impossible conversion process for most, that serves to protect the gene-pool. I get it, but you know what they say about pissing in my pocket… Also, my slight tone is due to the fact that there is only evidence that greater political (and I have proof of Orthodox) Judaism seeks to dissuade gentiles from taking similar group measures toward racial preservation.
Similar “but its good for you” excuses are often also doled out when it comes to the two tier Noachide framework and the nature of the Messianic eschatology. It’s a tough sell.
My suggestion was earnest, though I know it is in vain. Thanks for reading.
Ed
December 14, 2015 at 11:29 PM
“Jewish religious teaching remains mostly secret / untaught outside of Judaism”
1. No one even teaches it to Jews.
2. You can buy the Talmud on Amazon.com, it’s not a secret.
4. Orthodox Jews are a minority of Jews, and they have no power outside their enclave in Brooklyn because they are poor and they don’t get involved in any non-Jewish activities.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 15, 2015 at 12:01 AM
Normal Orthodox Jews don’t refuse to discuss religion when asked to do so. I never refuse, in fact I like it, but I’m an unorthodox orthodox Jew and not the best example.
Jews who are ashamed of their religion or don’t understand it, will not want to get into it.
Yakov
December 14, 2015 at 11:40 PM
@Lion
1. No one even teaches it to Jews.
Please, we know you had a terrible Jewish education, but in normal schools it’s taught. Your experience is unfortunate, but not uncommon .
Yakov
December 15, 2015 at 12:38 AM
@Ed.
Jews don’t need to expound upon their faith to a Christian society. It will only bring more hatred and antagonism. Christianity is a competing religion, a New Israel that came to 6take our place. Many believe that the second coming will not happen as long there are remaining Jews. Our very existence is an obstacle to the final coming of Christ. There is really nothing to discuss here, because we disagree and consider Christianity false. Why stir the pot? If an individual wants to discuss religion, it maybe interesting, but in general the least gentiles know about our religion the better. It’s not meant for them. Christianity is a good religion that teaches proper morality let them stick to it. I don’t feel that there is a serious difference between contemporary Christianity and Judaism with regard to their ethics and morality on a conceptual basis. I can say that I even feel close to religious Christians regardless of their denomination. It’s better that everyone sticks to their own and reawaken the old enmity.
For example, what specifically do you want to know? What bothers you?
Yakov
December 15, 2015 at 1:12 AM
The NYT should run an article about Jews with far right beliefs supporting Trump. A quotation from above re sterilisation could run just under the headline. It would certainly confuse a lot of people.
Did you see the David Frum piece in The Atlantic about immigration-Trump-Coulter.
Magician
December 14, 2015 at 10:07 PM
Bill Clinton was America’s first African-American president, and now Trump is poised to become it’s first Jewish-American president. Boy,in American you really can become anything you want.
If Turmp is “culturally Jewish,” it’s only to the extent that he embodies negative, not postitive, Jewish stereotypes. His obsession with vulgar displays of wealth is comical. His egomania is so over-the-top one can’t help but wonder if the whole thing isn’t a show.
I don’t see much respect for learning, apart from learning how to make money; I don’t see any sincere cultural or historical curiosity such as educated Jews frequently manifest. I see almost nothing in the way of moral examination, and self-examination.
The only Jewish trait he displays that is arguably positive is a boatload of chutzpah, and even here it’s so overdone that it’s indistinguishable from parody.
ice hole
December 15, 2015 at 1:52 AM
Indeed Bill Clinton was much more culturally black than Obama.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 15, 2015 at 8:50 AM
Obama is culturally a white muslim.
Sagi is my Guru
December 15, 2015 at 9:14 AM
Most nationalist whites hate “Jewish” policies, which are basically multiculturalism for thee, nationalism for me. So in fact the only thing nationalist whites want is to be able to promote the same policies that Israel does. So it makes perfect sense for Trump to have plenty of Jews working for him — and there will be no problem as long as they promote Israeli policies for the US. In fact the greatest thing that could ever happen is if whites were granted the privilege to push the same policies in the US as Jews do in Israel. And so it would be a great thing if Trump became our first “Jewish” President in the same way Clinton was our first black President.
Haven Monahan
December 15, 2015 at 2:54 AM
There is no such thing as Jews promoting different policies for Israel and the U.S. In fact, those liberals, who happen to be Jewish, are trying to get Israel to implement suicidal policies with respect to issues you talk about. Netanyahu wanted Mitt Romney to win the last presidential election. He wants the U.S. to have conservative policies.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 15, 2015 at 8:52 AM
Yes there is. Most Jewish neo-conservatives say that Israel should remain Jewish but that American should not remain white.
I don’t think that’s how most American Jews feel though.
Otis the Sweaty
December 15, 2015 at 1:22 PM
I believe that, in the same vein as Obama once did, Trump can heal the relations between Jew and Gentile.
Glengarry
December 15, 2015 at 4:46 AM
Hillary, on the other hand, is advised long and hard by Huma Abedin, a Muslim (married to a Jew!). What to choose, WNs?
Glengarry
December 15, 2015 at 4:49 AM
White Nationalists / Neo-Nazis / Skinheads are a real disappointment. Proponents of that ideology are rarely exemplary specimens of any master race; I doubt their heroes, Hitler or whoever, would be much impressed. If they spent half as much time cultivating their own personal excellence through discipline, education, culture and fitness as they spend blaming others for the world’s problems they’d earn respect for striving to be the “master-race.” Unfortunately if you look closely at most of these, they’re all to often third-rate alcoholic, ignorant, fat idiots who could hardly master anything at all. They should operate just like they accuse the Jews, be an insular, clannish, self-dealing community that doesn’t share with outsiders while sacrificing for the sake of community solidarity.
Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
December 15, 2015 at 10:15 AM
The irony is a bunch of high IQ “white” males offering up a plethora of competing analyses FOR THE VERY PURPOSE OF OBSCURING the obvious… MKRA is in descent, run by a “default elite” manifested from a mass of self-annihilators EACH SIDE LYING to its self about a nonexistent political spectrum that is easily explained by one desire and one hatred SHARED by ALL… Except for the genuine wS… Desire for radical sexual autonomy and hatred for genuine wS is the dominant operating paradigm from Tim Wise to Donald Trump to that very man Hitler, himself.
ALL are/were anti-wS… This indisputable fact makes lie out of everything “we” see about us. And in MRKA the Jewish and black collective are MORE anti-wS than “others.” Now, how does Trump’s immigration stance appear? WHY TELL Trump he is broadening the Overton Window when it has closed on a very hot topic of existential TERROR? The alt-rite strategy should NOW be the EXPECTION of Trump CONTINUOUSLY broadening the Overton Window…
If the masses are going see “ws” then “we” push to give them genuine wS, no? That’s not nerd logic?
thordaddy
December 15, 2015 at 2:21 PM
^^^ The alt-rite strategy should NOW be the [EXPECTATION] of Trump CONTINUOUSLY broadening the Overton Window…
thordaddy
December 15, 2015 at 2:23 PM
The true definition of prole is desirous of “equality.” So “wn” proles are ACTUALLY desirous of “equality” so that they are, in fact, anti-wS. This understanding then validates the dominant “leftist” paradigm where up is down, good is evil, man is homosexual, woman is dyke, Jews are Supremacists, “wns” are anti-wS….
And if you study the upper “echelons” of the “wn” movement then you will become familiar with the recursive nightmare that stands as nothing more than psychological warfare against that small minority of white men willing to go to the bottom of the racial rabbit hole. Ergo, at the “top” of “wn” is an anti-wS of a Jewish/Gentile admixture.
thordaddy
December 15, 2015 at 2:34 PM
In nerd formulation, the problem is straightforward. The “progressive’s” facilitation, exacerbation and ultimately gross propheteering off of an “infinite regress” within the milieu of a General Entropy is what REQUIRES solution. UNFORTUNATELY, most nerds are FIRMLY of the belief in an “infinite regress” within a General Entropy and that this physical state cannot be “transcended” and so they are very much in denial about their submissive and facilitating role in the zeitgeist.
thordaddy
December 15, 2015 at 2:45 PM
“White Nationalists / Neo-Nazis / Skinheads are a real disappointment”
You’re assuming such people adopt these positions for ideological or principled reasons. Remember that much of the Neo-Nazi movement originally saw the light of day as a sub-set of Punk. The point of Punk was more about expressing a sense of alientation and self-loathing by dressing and acting in such a way that would draw disapproval from respectable society–hence the mohicans, safety pins, bondage gear, etc. It’s easy to lose sight of this fact as these kinds of attire have now become normalised, but originally it was shocking and considered ugly and was meant to be so.
So you have to see the adoption of Nazi tattoos and the like as a deliberate attempt to shock respectable society–remembering that this was the 70’s and many middle-aged people had fought in the War. I remember hearing in a radio documentary that Siouxsie Sioux from Siouxsie and the Banshees tried to go on a British chat show wearing a Swastika. The presenter made her take it off before she came on. My point being that she was not an actual Neo-Nazi. At that time World War Two and the Holocaust had not become as politicised as today, and she was really just wearing it as a token of rebellion. I think this is probably a big part how the Neo-Nazi movement came into being. More as a statement and not necessarily all that political.
The biggest Neo Nazi British band of the 70’s was Screwdriver. I have seen footage of them being interviewed in the 70’s/early 80’s by a German journalist, who told them that if they had played such music and looked like that in Nazi Germany they would have been sent to a concentration camp. It was a simple and obvious point. I don’t think the band had really thought about it that deeply. Like other punks they were angry white kids, but in their case it was with more of a racist edge due to what was happening in Britain at the time.
Even today I imagine that a lot of Neo Nazi types are drawn to the movement because they feel alienated and angry. It is not a rational choice. As you yourself say, they do not act in a way that Nazis themselves would have respected.
prolier than thou
December 15, 2015 at 6:08 PM
John Derbyshire apparently reads you. He quoted you at Unz review
http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/if-you-think-donald-trump-is-adolf-hitler-youre-nuts/
map
December 21, 2015 at 1:19 AM
I’m honored that Derb reads my blog.
Lion of the Blogosphere
December 21, 2015 at 8:21 AM
Check out the comments, Lion. That’s what I’m talking about when I say that the dissident right is animated by hardcore anti Semites. In fact, I would say their anti-semitism is even more essential than their white nationalism. One of them, I’m not going to mention his name, was associated with a website that advocated the extermination of Jews.
gothamette
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