Lion of the Blogosphere

Public relations disaster for white nationalists

Nazi flags, anti-Semitic chants, culminating in one of the white nationalists committing murder by car.

This crap tars the entire alt-right.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 12, 2017 at EST pm

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  1. Disagree. Only people really paying attention to this are younger folks on the internet (my Facebook feed of 30+ folks is completely silent about it) and those younger folks actually watched the live feeds and saw what really happend. Alt Right were all well behaved and dressed like Frat Bros. Antifa were completely out of control, throwing bricks, piss, mace, and everything else. They looked like slobs and freaks. This was a HUGE victory for the right. We showed up in numbers nobody every dreamed possible, took the best shot Antifa could throw at us, and emerged unscathed. It should be noted that all the dying happened long after the Alt Right had gone home (Alt Right was actually ordered to leave by police while Antifa were allowed to stay). I suspect the car accident was just somebody trying to escape an Antifa attack. If you go to Twitter user “Faith Goldy” you can see video of earlier attacks on cars. They were throwing bricks, and attacking any Alt Right car trying to get out of there that they could find.

    PerezHBD

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • The stupid white nationalists didn’t have to foresight to know that they would be played by the police and the authorities.

      The car drove into the crowd, not away from the crowd.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • The car drove down the street. We don’t know what was happening when it accelerated. If every other video I’ve seen from the event is any indication, it was probably being attacked. Politico reporter at the station tweeted that police believed that guy was just scared and had no malicious intent at time of arrest. If you look at the other angle of the accident, what it looks like is the car sped down the street, and because of the people couldn’t see the cars stopped ahead. By the time he saw them it was too late. Guy pulled over to side of road and waited once he got to a safe place. I’m just not seeing it as being intentional at all.

        PerezHBD

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • The video shown on Fox makes the driver of the car look very guilty. Unless there’s another video somewhere showing something different, huge public relations disaster and that driver has the book thrown at him.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • There is no PR for the Alt-Right, if you’re talking about being liked and attracting a nice audience — this isn’t their operative. Although their tactics would be classier, if it was a scene out of the Godfather.

        JS

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • the very phrase “throw the book at” is an example of how the US is NOT a free country and hasn’t been since that phrase entered the language. sad!

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • There are a LOT of videos out there, and no one should leap to conclusions too soon. I’ve seen a couple which seem to be consistent with the theory (apparently claimed to the cops) that this guy panicked when the intifa attacked his car, and the reason he backed up so quickly was because they were swarming and attacking his car/him (you can see that quite clearly). It would not surprise me to learn that he was literally in fear for his life. We shall see….

        The whole thing almost seems like a set up:- issue a permit to the marchers on the right; box in the peaceful marchers with police on 3 sides and intafa/BLM on the other side; intafa starts the violence; police stand down/order the legal marchers to disperse, but only into the intafa/BLM crowd; mayhem ensues; blame the evil right.

        The one good thing is that they can’t call on Jeff Sessions to recuse this time – truth will out (we hope).

        Meanwhile the left, the NeverTrumpers and the GOPe are freaking when the facts are not fully known yet.

        Trump hit the right notes in his statements, but of course he’s been roasted by left and right at the moment.

        I can’t understand why any self-respecting person on the right would want to march with the KKK and Nazis, but they did have a permit and they (apparently) were marching peacefully until intafa/BLM intervened.

        gda

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • This crap tars the entire alt-right.

        The alt-right is already tar. They’re garbage.

        It’s just a bunch of sexually insecure, White male losers and closet cases who want to get together in almost completely male groups and feel powerful together.

        This isn’t the Steve Sailer/HBD etc crowd.

        This is just creepy, dumb White guys who want an excuse to hang out with their bros and feel like angry victims.

        They are garbage from beginning to end. And yes the left will use them against Trump and the intellectual Right.

        That’s just the way it goes.

        Rifleman

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The intellectual right sounds like an oxymoron, almost as if Staten Island is a sanctuary for PhDs.

        America’s disenfranchised take on a racial tone, but it isn’t about racial identity, it’s only economics, coming from its strictly capitalist nature.

        Of course, men in America who don’t have great credentials and good jobs, are less likely to be attached to a woman, where women are now filling most of the jobs that produce no value to society, which are the majority of the high paying jobs in America.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • It’s all over Twitter, and every politician in America is talking about it. It’s a huge deal.

      Dave Pinsen

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • it’s a only a yuge deal when they stop being pussies and start…

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • i’m waiting for the white nationalist version of al-qaeda.

        i guess they’re dumber than arabs.

        sad!

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • “terrorism” per se is despicable. it targets innocent people by definition.

        but violent acts by non-state actors doesn’t need to be terrorism.

        dershowitz said he’d have no issue with palestinian militants attacking israeli police or military.

        dershowitz also pointed out that the ultimate point of “terrorism” is PUBLICITY. not terror.

        with the exception of gandhi all movements of national liberation have been violent…

        and all such movements have been called “terrorism”.

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Everything you’re talking about became irrelevant the moment somebody committed murder with his car. That’s all anyone will remember about this. From the video I saw it looks like cold-blooded murder, and that leaves no oxygen for anything else.

      Total disaster for anyone who hates the establishment and the left.

      Richard

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • I saw the local TV news program about Charlottesville. They gave the car thing a lot of attention, but it wasn’t treated as the main thing that happened. But of course they were always going to report the story as if it were a Nazi death attack regardless.

        But obviously I agree it would be much better if the car thing never happened.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • all anyone will remember because americans are not in control of their own minds. their minds are molded by mass media. sad!

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • This was a HUGE victory for the right. We showed up in numbers nobody every dreamed possible,

      Nonsense. This is just embarrassing. These guys and probably you are not only neo nazis and neo confederates there is always some gayish overtones to all this.

      It’s ALWAYS just groups of DUDES who are involved in this.

      Same old story. Sexually insecure, White male losers who just want an excuse to hang out with other dudes and be stupid and belligerent.

      Rifleman

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The numbers weren’t that large. From the pictures, it looks like less than 2000 people to me.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • “It’s always just groups of DUDES who are involved in this” — I would hope so. Women should stay out of the public realm.
        “White male losers who just want an excuse to hang out with other dudes and be stupid and belligerent” — this would apply to the armies of William the Conqueror and Genghis Khan as well.

        Garr

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • I sense some projection here.

        If I had to bet, I would say most alt righters and tribal conservatives have bigger upper bodies than most leftists and liberatrians.

        I’ll go further and say tribal men of all races do better with women than non-tribal men.

        All race-ism, is essentially a label for tribal behaviour. And our glorious well loved elites hate tribal behaviour.

        'Pill'

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Rifleman,

        All Revolutionary movements have at their core, losers and misfits. Without them revolutions would never happen. And,no, shaming language will not persuade such losers to forego joining a revolution.

        Revolutions succeed because conditions swell the ranks of losers who have no stake in the system…and the winners only have police-on-a-pension protecting them. When there is no money to pay the pensions, then the police will stop working.

        Conditions in America guarantee that the alt-right is inevitable.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Are you suggesting the middle of an Antifa riot is a place for a lady? Canadian Alt-Lite reporter Faith Goldy got amazing footage of the event yesterday, but she spent the entire day dodging rocks and bricks and came within 5 feet of getting run over by a car. I wouldn’t want my girlfriend or female family members anywhere near a political rally in this day and age unless it were a Trump Rally in a safe neighborhood.

        PerezHBD

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • “I’ll go further and say tribal men of all races do better with women than non-tribal men”.

        It’s probably true that Irish gals find Greek men more attractive than their paddy lads!

        JS

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

  2. Hell yea, brother! We will rise again.

    Jk.

    True Patriot :^)

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  3. Relax – the Narrative was taking too much damage from reality again… so the leaders of the questionable right ….. sorry I ment paid moles were instructed to march to save the Narrative. Mission Accomplished, their leaders should get the secret money from Soros soon.

    Anon

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • I can buy that.

      Stealth

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • No, between russia, damore and now this shitstorm, the globalist media is in contortions.

      People said the alt right was finished after Spencer and the nazi salutes last year.

      Turns out the alt right tripled in size since then and people are openly talking about border walls and mass deportations.

      'Pill'

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The alt-right is shrinking. A year ago Steve Bannon, myself and many people on this blog would have identified as alt-right. Not any longer.

        We can only hope they don’t take down the good things about Trump’s platform with it. Trump is not an ideologue and if he feels a policy is political dead weight he’ll probably cut it loose.

        Richard

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • More ordinary white people than ever are realizing that their interests are not being served by either political party. That’s part of the reason why Trump won. Trump also ran on a nationalist/populist agenda focusing on immigration and trade. He was the only candidate who took anti-globalist and anti-pc positions as well. Trump’s agenda, along with Breitbart and Drudge, is best seen as right-wing populism or alt-lite. Lion’s term “anti-establishment right” is pretty good too.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

  4. White nationalists could act impeccably 99.9 times out of a hundred and yet it’s always the 0.1% that’ll be dragged in front of the media. White nationalists and alt-rightists have to develop a tough skin and stay doggedly determined. What the movement is obviously missing is a cohesive vision that people can rally around, admittedly something so much harder to achieve given the MSM’s and popular culture’s antipathy towards the movement.

    Roli

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • Walking around with kkk style torches and Nazi style haircuts, banners, and slogans (all for the lolz I’m sure) is hardly acting impeccably.

      Magnavox

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Richard Spencer is an attention-whoring moron with no plan but self-promotion. He should have a sticker on his car reading MY OTHER CAR IS A GLORY HOLE

        driveallnight

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Hes clearly a smart guy and I agree with a lot of what he says. Watch his YouTube videos commenting on current affairs on the altright channel if you doubt that. But I don’t know exactly what his deal is.

        Magnavox

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • He’s a political activist. His job is seek attention.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • he sounds gay.

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The KKK style torches are quite effective at warding off mosquitoes.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

  5. “white nationalism” is a new world phenomenon. it’s retarded.

    since when do white people not hate white people?

    W W I is the ace in the hole against any white nationalism.

    the EU is just the FOURTH REICH.

    maybe this time the krauts will get it right.

    NOT!

    sad!

    !00% mexican friom the state of oaxaca

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • Meriprolestan’s extremism is not even an art, given the demography of whites who are mostly from the sticks, where they lack taste, sophistication and refinement.

      The French Canadian right groups are far classier and appropriating. They have defined groups and they have names symbolic of what they are supposed to do, like La Meute – known as a wolf pack, symbolic of the Canadian wolf, to patrol and protect in groups from multiculturalism.

      JS

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • As I recall Hell’s Angels came out of Quebec. Hardly classy.

        Rosenmops

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Right Wing groups in French Speaking Canada are a lot more organized and creative, if you compare them to the messy, ragtag WNs of America. And their message is clear, they don’t like Muslims who threaten their way of life. America WNs are pretty much a disenfranchised bunch with mixed messages, who lack money and organization, yet their reactionary behavior is obvious: non-whites are parasites who stolen from us. This is what you get from a pure capitalistic society, and the entire Anglo world is afflicted with dysfunctional capitalism.

        But honestly, comparing America to Canada is a moot issue, given the fact that the Great White North comes across as a nation that genuinely wants to unifying its citizens. America is just one big marketplace for ravenous scavengers or predators, with a winner takes all complex.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • And to go back on the Anglo Prole Sphere and its modus operandi of a pure money machine — most American Whites are not nationally aware or even racially conscious, but they sure do love a buck.

      JS

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • And more proof: America has the most successful Jews and America has the most Chinese wealth. It’s a mint!

        JS

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  6. First as tragedy then as farce…

    Dave

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  7. British conservative and eurosceptic journalist Simon Heffer wrote in the Daily Mail in 2011: “Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.”

    100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • As if it’s such a bad thing for the world to be aryanized non violently.

      Magnavox

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • But the Germans are not reproducing and just imported 1 million + non White muslim males.

        And through the EU they are demanding the importation and spread of millions more to other European nations.

        Doesn’t sound like “Aryanization” to me.

        Rifleman

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Certain commenters from Zimbabwe should know, the EU is a globalist front, that Hilary and Bill talked about emulating with NAFTA, the ‘amero’ currency and open borders with mexico.

      The EU is as much controlled by ‘germans’ and america is by ‘americans’.

      'Pill'

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

  8. Here’s the video I was talking about, and there were plenty others like it and I’m sure the defense will gather and play them all at trial. There is no way this guy gets convicted unless there is a lot going on we don’t know about right now (ie, he wrote some manifesto indicating he was going to launch a car attack):

    PerezHBD

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • No doubt the “counter-protesters” were committing more violence than the protesters, but the establishment doesn’t care about that.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Safe to say the counter-protestors were probably dicks, but I won’t hold my breath waiting for that to make it to TV.

        Roli

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • The establishment appears to be losing control. It started with Trump being elected president after a campaign that was entirely uphill against them. If that can happen, anything can. Yeah, I agree, optics aren’t great, but it doesn’t matter anymore. Americans are too atomized to stop the alt-right. Whoever has the most group solidarity wins. I think we are entering an “acceleration” towards more conflict. The alt-right not being completely shut down here by authorities, and thousands gathering, is going to provide them with more confidence to take bolder actions in the future.

        I could be wrong, that is just my impression right now.

        jjbees

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • when the rodney king cops were acquitted the blacks rioted.

        when oj was acquitted the whites didn’t riot.

        maybe it’s time.

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The antifas started the violence. They always do.

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • And the white nationalist protesters had NO PLAN on how to capitalize on that fact. That the antifas, in general, were more violent was only reported at Infowars. Unfortunately for the white nationalists, the single most violent act that grabbed all the headlines was the murder by car committed by one of their own.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • I watched that on my phone. Does that show the car hitting the protestors?

      Magnavox

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • The video shown was not the accident. It is a different car in the same area shortly before the incident. It is shown just to demonstrate how Antifa were behaving towards cars they suspected of belonging to the Right and possible explanation for what may have caused the driver of the Challenger to accelerate the way he did.

        PerezHBD

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Well if that’s the worst that you can find for antifa. And the worst the alt right did was murder and multiple attempted murders, than based on that evidence I’m going to conclude that antifa behaved much much better.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  9. Here’s a picture from the impact of the car. You can see several people get launched into the air.

    Tom

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • So an innocent driver is trying to make his way home, when a violent antifa mob attempted to pull him out of his car, a la Rodney King.

      Thankfully, these antifa learned a valuable lesson in physics.

      map

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • You mean a la Reginald Denny.

        Marty

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Yes

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • It’s hard to tell what exactly happened immediately before the car plowed into the people, but in one of the videos you see the two cars ahead of the Dodge Challenger slowly driving down the street while the protestors walk along the sides, so it looks like the cars were leaving relatively undisturbed, albeit slowly, before the Challenger plowed into the protestors.

        Tom

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  10. Idiots like David Duke are bad for Trump. The antisemitic right alienates right wing jews, which is about the most unproductive position possible.

    JW Bell

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • Right wing Jews are pretty much an anomaly (and rightly so, you have ultra religious Jews who are right wing and they vote for cats like Chuck Schumer who are Democrats with his welfare platform, which is a different set of norms from the White gentile majority).

      JS

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • what if alienated right wing armenians?

      100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Armo’s aren’t human, anyone in LA can tell you that

        driveallnight

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Agreed JS. Right wing jews don’t exist. 100%.

      'Pill'

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Look up Dan Burros. He was a right wing Jew and a Klan recruiter. He was the only one in America.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Right wing jews don’t exist. 100%.

      We do exist.

      And more importantly, right wing Jews (both mainstream Republican or race realist Jews like Larry Auster) are more smarter and more talented on average than Liberal Jews.

      Most of the Jewish left such as Ezra Klein are mediocre group-thinkers who are Liberal because the establishment is Liberal. If the establishment were Conservative most of these Jews like Klein would switch political affiliations just for the sake of climbing the social ladder.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  11. James Damore did his protest the smart way. He has been much more persuasive. It’s been impressive seeing his interviews since the firing. Getting covert support from the likes of Scott Aaronson and Paul Graham.

    JW Bell

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  12. I despise the Nazi flag. Anyone claiming to represent white people who carries that thing can fuck off.

    Also, for the life of me, I can’t understand why white supremacists love the Old South so much. After all, the South seceded from the Union for the very purpose of preserving chattel slavery, which is how all of those sub-Saharan Africans the surpemacists hate got to the western hemisphere to begin with.

    The rebel flag screams “white trash” at the top of its lungs. Tacky as hell in my opinion, and I’m a Southerner who loves the South.

    Stealth

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • And by “loves the South,” I don’t mean I like the Confederacy.

      Stealth

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Stealth,

        The left hates white people just because. The “white supremacy” and complaining about the South or “slavery” is just there to hide the cloven hoof underneath.

        Today it’s Robert E. Lee. Tomorrow, it’s Mount Rushmore.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • I’m not saying they should take the statues down. Such things are of historical interest. I’m saying it’s bad to be a Nazi and carry a Nazi flag. Even if you’re a Holocaust denier, there are two points to remember about Hitler’s government:

        1. Hitler killed many millions of white Christians, including tens of thousands of white Americans.
        2. Even Holocaust deniers admit that Hitler imprisoned the Jews and other groups in prison camps.

        It is stupid and immoral to carry the Confederate flag for any sort of political purpose. Even white supremacists should view the Confederacy with with loathing, if only out of self interest. The southern states seceded to in order to preserve and expand slavery. Had the United States said “good riddance,” the South probably would have ended up being not too different from a typical Afro-Caribbean island country. There might have even been a slave rebellion a la Haiti. Is that what white supremacists want?

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Stealth,

        This whole discussion about Nazis and Confederates is misconceived. You’re a Nazi/Confederate if you oppose affirmative action or mass immigration or anti-White indoctrination in schools. You’re a Nazi/Confederate if you think Trump was a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. You’re a Nazi/Confederate if you are not a whole-hearted supporter of the whole panoply of leftist BS.

        Given what’s at stake, who cares if someone carries bits of cloth around? Besides, how do you know those symbols weren’t staged by Antifa itself with help from a compliant media? You can’t always trust what you see.

        Stop with the Pavlovian reactions.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • “how do you know those symbols weren’t staged by Antifa itself”

        They weren’t staged. The white nationalists like Nazis because the white nationalists hate Jews and the Nazis hated Jews.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • The left accuses the right of being Nazis, and then the right carries around Nazi flags, thus justifying the left thinking that. Doesn’t sound very smart to me. Why not carry around American flags and pictures of George Washington instead of Nazi flags and pictures of Adolf Hitler?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Conspiracy theorists think yesterday was another George Soros production and it coincided with his birthday.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • “They weren’t staged.”

        Lion– yes, there are neo-nazis out there and people who hate Jews. But at the same time it has to be acknowledged that Antifa engages in agent provocateur/false flag operations.

        Here is a composite pic from the Berkeley protests/riots (iirc). On the right is a “neo-nazi” performing a salute. On the left, a capture from video footage showing that it was actually an Antifa member who sneaked in the shield in a slightly torn black plastic trash bag.

        You can’t take all this neo-nazi ridiculousness at face value. It’s catnip to trigger well-meaning people to hate/fear “the Right”.

        anon

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

      • “But at the same time it has to be acknowledged that Antifa engages in agent provocateur/false flag operations.”

        I don’t dispute that they are scum.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

      • The omitted picture from my prior comment:

        anon

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

    • It’s mindless counterculturalism. We’ve all been indoctrinated by The Establishment to think since childhood that Nazi Germany and the Confederacy were the height of evil, but since we’ve matured to reject their lousy agenda it follows for some of the dumber anti-establishment types that anything their enemy opposed must therefore also be good.

      But Nazis and slaveowners were made into bogeymen because they were clearly awful, and it helped the Establishment’s cause to tar their opponents with that dirty brush. It’s still helping.

      Richard

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Confederacy: believed in slavery.
        Nazi Germany: killed 6 millions Jews.

        They sound evil by modern standards of good and evil.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • But Nazis and slave owners were made into bogeymen…

        Guy, give it up already. They weren’t “made into bogeymen”.

        They were in fact some of the worst human beings in history.

        Maybe some of the alt-right on line are trolls for the left but unfortunately too many of them genuinely believe the stupid, belligerent nonsense the spout.

        Rifleman

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Greeks, Romans, Gauls, Amerinds: believed in slavery.
        (Everyone always: believed in slavery.)
        Moderns are evil by ancient standards of good and evil.
        Only in an evil society do mobs of women throw rocks and yell slogans.

        Garr

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • @Rifleman:

        What are you on about? You quote me but then delete the rest of the sentence where I agreed with you.

        Richard

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Lion,

        The Confederacy believed in cheap labor for rich people, no different than the mass immigration project supported by the left. The only difference is that the slaves have a choice of which plantation to work on. Neither the confederacy nor slavery exist today, yet the left chooses to attack southern whites.

        Everyone here knows the score.

        The Nazis are no different than La Raza or BLM. All understand the threat that the Other represents.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The pro-immigration people honestly believe they are doing immigrants a favor by allowing to come here, and the immigrants themselves WANT to come here, so not, it’s not at all like the Confederacy.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • In both the confederacy and with mass immigration, it was a boat ride to a better country.

        Try slavery under Turkish rule, by comparison.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Southern white culture is too similar to black culture for my tastes. But you’re right that these Nazi lovers don’t seem to understand just how many white people Hitler is responsible for killing.

      Magnavox

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Southern whites are nothing like black people. Visit the South and it will be readily apparent.

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Southern white culture is too similar to black culture for my tastes.

        Or “black culture” is too similar to White trash Southern culture also.

        But you’re right that these Nazi lovers don’t seem to understand just how many white people Hitler is responsible for killing.

        Or how many White Americans Robert E. Lee and the Confederates killed.

        But again THEY’RE STUPID and they are belligerent and they just want to hang out with the boys and put on a show.

        Rifleman

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • THANK YOU. The love in with the Confederacy might be the stupidest thing about the alt-right; it makes no sense even on its own terms.

      Jesse

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The Confederates were the 19th century version of neocons: “invade the world, invite the world.” Had the slave-owning class been better at achieving their objectives America would now share a land border with Haiti and have absorbed much of Latin America.

        Richard

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • what’s the difference between “chattel slavery” and “slavery”?

      100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • You know how it is; saying “chattel” just makes it sound more… E-vil.

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Easiest way to identify incest loving, low iq, low class person is pick the one carrying that confederate flag. They never got tired of all that losing and still carrying around that flag. LOL.

      mpt

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Some people see the rebel flag as a symbol of the South in general, and the Civil War never crosses their minds. It’s still gaudy and awful.

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Don’t forget that the Confederacy was led by a bunch of rich aristocrats who were primarily interested in protecting their declining and archaic political and economic power from the rising industrial strength in the north. How these people became a symbol of lower class white rebellion is a great irony of history.

      Peter Aluleyev

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • but werent a large number of prominent Northern families involved in shipping bring the slaves here in the first place?

        Ben Affleck has a lot to answer for.

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Robert E. Lee, who statue this was supposedly all about, was a classic example. He was the son of a Revolutionary War general whose interest in the Confederacy seemed to be primarily about protecting his slave vast plantation at Arlington that he had inherited as a result of his arranged marriage to George Washington’s granddaughter. What a relatable figure for today’s working class whites!

        Michael B.

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Great comment. Most people don’t understand that the flag is not just a symbol of the south but of lower class whites who reject the cultural elite consensus.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • But it’s worth noting that it would make just as little sense to idolize Lincoln and the union. Perhaps they should be celebrating the Irish immigrants who rioted in the draft riots? Or maybe just taking the position that the war was such a pointless disaster that noone came off looking good.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Michael B.,

        “primarily about protecting his slave vast plantation at Arlington that he had inherited as a result of his arranged marriage to George Washington’s granddaughter.”

        Do you think the left wants to take down Robert E. Lee’s statue because of this slavery nonsense? No, they are taking it down because he’s white.

        The protestors understand what is going on better than you do.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Before the war the South was effectively its own little nation, just like the other regions and capable of deciding its own fate. All of the regions had a governing aristocracy. After the war the South was ruled by a foreign aristocracy for that is what the ruling Northern regime was. You might as well ask why the British preferred English to Spanish rule.

        Curle

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Michael B — Lee’s interest in the Confederacy seemed to be primarily about protecting his slave vast plantation at Arlington that he had inherited

        Lee never bought or sold a slave. The slaves were owned by his father in law. When his father in law died, Lee was named executor of his estate and emancipated the slaves in accordance with the instructions of his will. So I don’t see how slavery could have been Lee’s motivation.

        destructure

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • “I’m a Southerner who loves the South.”

      I genuinely wish you would explain what you mean by this. I’m a Californian, with no connection to the South other than my Dad was born in New Orleans. The weather’s terrible, the accents are ugly, the food is tasteless, the people are massively overweight, there’s very little public investment in parks and the like, and it was politically corrupt even before blacks got involved in government. So what’s to like? All you really have is a sort of superficial courtesy on meeting strangers, a civility which is signally lacking in coasters to be sure. Having said all that, the Old South was right about all the important questions that are tearing us apart today. I think you’re failing to appreciate the South’w only real merit.

      Explainer 21

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • The south has massive black populations and the worst behaved whites. The blacks need to.be repatriated and the whites remade in the image of northern whites or better yet northern europeans.

        How was the old south right to import millions of blacks and create a dysfunctional agricultural aristocracy during the heart of the industrial revolution?

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • The British created the southern agriculture economy with forethought going so far as to ban municipalization in order to discourage industrialization. 160 years, the time the South was British before secession from the crown.

        Curle

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • @Magnavox…if the South had the kind of whites you want Hillary would be President right now. We would have one party Democrat rule.

        Jay Fink

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • We would have a totally different much healthier political alignment if the country were all white.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  13. White nationalism shouldn’t be seen as abhorring as it is presented..

    Confederate flags are kinda bad, but not irredeemable..

    BUT, no one is going to support something with Nazi flags/salutes. What kind of dumb shit is that, kick those guys out of your movement.

    Kaz

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • Confederate flags is how you identify low class trash. You know the kind that is having sex with their own sisters, driving a pickup truck, has always 2 missing teeth in front and maybe a few swastika tattoos hiding in behind the long sleeve shirt.

      mpt

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • There were almost a thousand alt righters there and a handful of confederate flags and maybe one nazi flag. Your are complaining about something that simply didn’t happen. Watch the actual videos and not what the Fake Media is telling you. The Alt Right crowd was almost entirely clean cut white males of extremely high IQ behaving like perfect gentleman unless they were attacked, in which case they responded.

      The High Class nature of the crowd was shocking, frankly. I think even Spencer was shocked by how young and how middle upper class the turnout was. The rumors about generation Z are true. They have been completely radicalized by the anti-white propaganda they endured growing up and they are all borderline Nazis as a result.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • “maybe one nazi flag”

        Videos clearly show there was a lot more than just one Nazi flag. The organizers, if they cared about how they looked, should have prevented any Nazi stuff.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • They are not borderline Nazis, They ARE Nazis. At least they got the slogan right. They were chanting “Blood and Soil”. Google it. I have posted a video in the thread below.

        mpt

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • They’ve embraced all sorts of Nazi imagery. I don’t know how many actual Nazi flags there are but this is an example of a Nazi style flag:

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • It is a free country Lion. Alt Right couldn’t prevent other people from showing up. If they could, there wouldn’t have been thousands of antifa there throwing rocks and piss.

        The torchlight vigil, which was the most organized event of the weekend and represented the people actually affiliated with the Alt Right, had hundreds of marchers and zero Nazi Flags and zero Confederate Flags.

        PerezHBD

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • The only overlap between the alt-right and Nazism is a hatred of Bolshevism. In fact, fascism in all of its forms is a response to the rise of the Bolshevik. Hating Bolshevism is right and proper, as well as seeking to destroy it. Once Bolshevism is removed, fascism melts away.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Map: goto Richard Spencer’s YouTube channel and read the comments. There’s a huge neonazi presence. I don’t know what possible basis you have for your claim

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Magnavox,

        And the commentators all share their hatred of Bolshevism.

        What of it?

        map

        August 15, 2017 at EST am

  14. As usual, people will come away feeling their pre-existing views were confirmed.

    If you’re an alt-righter, you think antifa was responsible for the violence. The Unite the Right marchers simply fought back. Maybe the driver went too far, maybe he didn’t.

    If you call yourself alt-lite, you lament the identitarian politics and wish we’d all just be nationalists together.

    If you’re GOPe, you’re embarrassed and outraged by the displays of “white supremacy” and consider that worse than anything.

    If you’re just an HBDer, you dislike the violence, and while granting that the marchers are right on a number of issues, are probably uncomfortable with the Confederate and especially the antisemitic and Nazi imagery.

    If you’re a leftist of any sort, you’re blaming all Republicans and conservatives for the violence, and consider what happened to the, ahem, “counterprotesters” worse than the Orlando nightclub massacre.

    As I see it, the local politicians couldn’t legally stop the Unite the Right march from happening. As such, they took the approach California politicians have: order the police to stand down and let/instruct antifa to brutalize the rightists.

    Rightists, however, have learned over time to come prepared. The people who went to see Milo at Berkeley were ambushed and beaten like livestock. Not much earlier, Richard Spencer himself was punched in the face. Now, however, rightists bring sticks and shields, ready to fight, and more and more unsavory men who genuinely love inflicting violence on others have come along. As I predicted months ago, the right would prove stronger in mob violence than the left. We’re seeing that.

    The violence we’re seeing is just the natural result of anarchy. When there is no law and order upheld, human beings naturally revert to being like tribes of chimpanzees who violently assault each other. It’s horrible and it’s wrong, and I ultimately blame the violence on the politicians and the police for not doing their job. Men inevitably become beasts without law and order, and for willingly abdicating from their responsibilities, the politicians and police deserve nothing but censure.

    Sid

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  15. This is a mess. I hate the Nazis and the Antifa, so what should a Jew do? I say kill the Nazis first, can’t go wrong there. Obviously, I’m against renaming the park and taking down the monument.

    This whole thing was a provocation, I think. A total mess.

    Yakov

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • Yakov, they are coming for you next. If you see meet any of these low class, jew hating, swastika tattoo wearing, confederate flag waving trash harassing you, just carry some crystal meth/heroin in your pocket to give him that. I am hearing from the news that its the perfect antidote to these vermins.

      mpt

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Yet they will still survive because the same liberals who look down on low class white drug users want them alive and in circulation. That’s why there is a trend towards Narcan, clean needle exchanges, decriminalization of drugs, safe shooting galleries etc.

        Jay Fink

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Yakov,

      Relax. Every white person who does not agree with his own genocide is automatically a “Nazi” or a “white supremacist.”

      map

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • That’s how the left has framed the discussion. If you disagree with this view, you’re put on the defensive from the start. Political correctness is a very effective form of social control.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • If everyone who does not believe in leftism is a Nazi, then Nazi-ism is meaningless. Waving Nazi flags… is meaningless.

        Why get worked up about it?

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • This is a mess. I hate the Nazis and the Antifa, so what should a Jew do?

      Ideally the right-wing closet cases and neo nazis, neo confederates, black lies matter, antifa, nose ring lefties all get deported to North Korea and then get nuked by Trump along with the Kim family cult.

      That’s my MLK dream.

      Rifleman

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

  16. Every time people say Spencer is done for he comes back a couple months later with far more people standing behind him. This will be no different.

    Andrew E.

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • What’s going to happen with the alt-right is a kind of demented purity spiral. Well-meaning people who just want to stop immigration, protect jobs and not be made a minority in a country where they’re already the scapegoat for others’ failures are going to stop coming to rallies that draw in murderers and avowed Nazis. People who love America and her past, which MAGA invokes, aren’t a natural fanbase for homicidal German imperialism.

      Charlottesville in turn will attract people who have no political views at all but just enjoy causing mayhem, as the brawls in previous rallies probably greased the wheel for the guy who rammed his car into antifa.

      So in the future these rallies are going to get weirder and more violent, and as the freak flag flies higher more and more law-abiding people will abandon them, and the wacko quotient will become more intense. It probably ends in calculated terrorist attacks.

      Richard

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Nah. Spencer is a normal person with normal sensibilities who wants to discuss eminently reasonable topics. He’s not interested in violence or hate. He attracts reasonable people because he is reasonable and he will continue to attract reasonable people so long as whites remain under demographic assault.

        Andrew E.

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Spencer is just a rodeo cowboy holding onto the bull. He can’t control where this is going to lead.

        Richard

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  17. So what happens the next time another statue of Robert E. Lee is removed from some other southern city?

    Yankee

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  18. It’s really a shame that all those guidos from Staten Island made the alt right look bad by protesting like Nazis and causing a riot. I mean things would have ended a lot better if they had been non-Italian whites from, say,…Charlottesville,Virginia.

    ………….oh, wait…………….

    maryk

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • maryk, you are really defensive about the Italian American issue.

      Rifleman

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Yes. But I write these things to show how ridiculous is Lion’s “Italian-Staten Island” obsession. If what he says all the time is true these protests should be happening in Staten Island or New Jersey.It is valid to point out that they’re not. Truthfully, Rifleman, I put up with a lot of ethnic insults and bias in order to enjoy this blog. Most “guidos” would have been out of here a long time ago.

        maryk

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Guidos are too busy cruising Seaside Heights to have time to go to a rally.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Southern whites are basically all Guido’s, at least in spirit, if you think about it!

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Staten Island guidos are economically sounder than the proles of middle and southern America. They may not be wealthy, (although there are more wealthy guidos in all of Staten Island than the are wealthy rednecks in a specific southern town), but financially, they are better than the proles outside of the Northeast.

      JS

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

  19. Long time ago, over 30 years, I was in a situation where I was almost lynched by blacks while I was in my car. I was driving a yellow cab in Manhattan. Nighttime, took an elderly black church couple up to their apartment in the Polo Grounds housing project. Nice people. When I turned around to leave the projects two young kids passed my car and said, “Dayz waitin for you out there.” Didn’t think anything of it, had about 100 ft to go before I entered the street. Driving slowly I passed another kid, he says, “Dayz waitin for you”. Now I’m nervous. Get to within 30 feet of the exit onto the street and a swarm of “youths” rose up from behind bushes, trees, dumpsters, everywhere, and savaged my cab with a pelting of rocks. Broke two windows, cut my ear. What did I do? I floored it. Didn’t even think of or care whether anybody was in my way. In fact, I didn’t think anything at all. I just floored the pedal and sped out and made a sharpe right turn and sped down the street. Afterwards I had a hard time remembering anything of the incident after I had received the warning from the second kids. If the driver experienced anything like this, he has a reasonable to very good defense case.

    Daniel

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • With that video, the driver has no case at all. The video doesn’t show any of that happening.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • None of the video shows what was happening to the back of the car when it accelerated. And there are numerous videos of Antifa and BLM attacking other cars from behind. A brick thrown in the back of this guy’s car is all he really needs as a defense. Moreover, it is the most logical explanation. Premeditation makes no sense at all. The rally was supposed to be in the Park not the streets. The Alt Right still supposed to be there. The scenario this guy encountered (a rally in the streets in which is 100% Antifa) was never envisioned by anybody, so how could he have planned an attack in advance? Is the argument that he spontaneously decided to commit mass murder out of the blue on the spot?

        PerezHBD

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • “Moreover, it is the most logical explanation.”

        Actually, the most logical explanation is that earlier in the day he WAS attacked, and he was seeking revenge against the antifas.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • “Actually, the most logical explanation is that earlier in the day he WAS attacked, and he was seeking revenge against the antifas.”

        He then decided to destroy his life by running his car into people? I assume he thought he would be caught.

        ttgy

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • If he was trying to run down antifa, he had terrible aim as he didn’t move the car onto the sidewalk. If you look at the terrorist attack in Sweden? where a Muslim uses a truck to mow down Swedes? he is swerving back and forth across the width of the road to hit as many people as he can.

      chris

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • There are two likely scenarios in my option.

      1. He was attacked with brick or something and freaked out (early reports suggest this is what he told police, and police believed him).
      2. Road Rage. Dodge Challenger is a very nice car and he looked like he took care of it. Maybe people were throwing rocks at it and he flipped out and accelerated out of anger and not fear.

      Either way, it clearly wasn’t political in nature, as the MSM is trying to suggest.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  20. The driver of the car is apparently a member of American Vanguard, which is some sort of fascist organization:

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/charlottesville-suspect-held-hate-group-shield-attack-article-1.3407245

    Tom

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • American Vanguard reporting on Twitter that all their members are safe and accounted for, and that they evacuated the scene long before the accident occurred.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  21. The nationalist were fighting to stop the removal of a white cultural and historic icon. The Left was committing cultural cleansing just as the Muslims bombing ancient Buddhas. There is no justification, ever for such behavior. It is the equivalent of burning black churches or closing churches under the Soviets. Those pursuing cultural cleansing (the Left) are always the bad guys.

    Curle

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Oh please. I would get rid of almost every black statue and place named after a black if I could. I doubt you’re much different.

      Magnavox

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  22. The term “Alt-right” needs to be replaced if it is associated with Nazis. Just because you don’t want massive 3rd world immigration doesn’t make you a God damned nazi.

    Rosenmops

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • It’s been deep-sixed ever since Richard Spencer did his “Heil Trump” thing for the cameras late last year.

      Richard

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

  23. “This crap tars the entire alt-right.”

    This crap is the alt-right. The leaders of the alt-right want a second civil war.

    Maybe this will be a wake up call. It could have been much worse. Virginia is an open carry state. There were armed people on both sides. We are lucky much worse things did not happen.

    Leaders like Richard Spencer have admitted that they cannot create the white state in the US without violence. He is trying to start a race war.

    mikeca

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • The alt-right wouldn’t exist if ordinary white people were permitted to stick up for themselves when it’s appropriate.

      Stealth

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • “The alt-right wouldn’t exist if ordinary white people were permitted to stick up for themselves when it’s appropriate.”

        I’d go further and say that Breitbart wouldn’t be nearly as popular and Trump wouldn’t have been elected “if ordinary white people were permitted to stick up for themselves when it’s appropriate.”

        Lewis Medlock

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • In large measure this was a showdown between extremists. Nazis, Klansman, anarchists, communists, and BLM. Let them kill each other. It’s a beneficial form of pest control.

      Lewis Medlock

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Again, fascism appears when bolshevism appears. Those who make debate impossible will make war inevitable.

      map

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Fascism started in Italy, which didn’t have Bolshevism. Bolshevism in Russia wasn’t met with Fascism there.

        Tom

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Tom,

        Bolshevism was new in 1918. By the time it was observed in Weimar Germany, measures were taken to get rid of it or, in Italy’s case, inoculate against it.

        map

        August 15, 2017 at EST am

  24. The NRO types are crowing about Trump’s avoidance of a specific condemnation of “white supremacy”. Here’s a point that I haven’t seen made. During the election, there were several BLM-inspired attacks on police. My recollection is that Trump avoided naming BLM or “black radicalism” after those attacks, instead opting for a generic “pro-police” response. You might have thought he was observing the rules of political correctness, but for him it was quite conspicuous. So there’s an argument to be made that Trump is leery of wading into the specifics of ANY domestic factional violence, unless it involves groups that he sees as outsiders to American life, ie Muslims.

    IHTG

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • but for him it was quite conspicuous. So there’s an argument to be made that Trump is leery of wading into the specifics of ANY domestic factional violence, unless it involves groups that he sees as outsiders to American life, ie Muslims.

      Or Mexican drug cartels.

      There is truth to that. He also doesn’t tend to bash “liberals” by name in an ideological way.

      Of course many of Trump’s ideas and positions ARE a kind of old fashioned liberalism.

      Rifleman

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • He does bash Democrats a lot, though. And for that matter, Republicans. He doesn’t just just blame “Congress” or “politicians” for tying up the Obamacare repeal or whatever

        Michael B.

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • The NRO types are crowing about Trump’s avoidance of a specific condemnation of “white supremacy”.

      And Rich Lowry is now saying that statues of Robert E. Lee should be torn down if they become a rallying point for white nationalists. (By the same logic, the Trump presidency and several other mainstream political positions would have to be “torn down” as well.)

      If the editor of National Review is already there, then I think a full-scale purge of Confederate monuments is coming soon. Steve Sailer’s probably right that Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson are next on the chopping block.

      Richard

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Jackson already is on the 20 dollar.

        NRO types are globalists.

        'Pill'

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  25. Why do “white nationalists” insist on using two loser ideologies as rallying symbols? Both the Confederates and Nazis were idiots, who ended up provoking exactly the results they feared most by plunging their societies into unneccessary wars they weren’t ready to fight.

    There are examples of succesful white nationalism – the British Empire would be one, as would be the USA up to 1945. It would be far better to associate the far right with the Union Jack and Old Glory – taking back our symbols – rather than following the examples of losers and scoundrels.

    Peter Aluleyev

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • …rather than following the examples of losers and scoundrels.

      Maybe it’s because they are …losers and scoundrels.

      Rifleman

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • mpt

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • The confederates had the constitution on their side. Period. There is no credible, nor has there ever been, a credible argument otherwise. Lincoln led a coup against a constitutional regime using, in significant measure, a wholly subliterate immigrant conscripts against the oldest settler population on the continent. The southerners KNEW from their forefathers the deal made in the first secession; the Revolution and fought voluntarily. The Northern Army was bribed or forced to fight at the end of a gun.

      The confederacy stands for, among other things, a pre-existing order fighting against a parasitical arriviste order. Mencius, among others, is correct. The telling of civil war history is not just victors history but outrageous victors history.

      Curle

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • This is really interesting about the Civil War and slavery. It really shouldn’t even be called a civil war. The war was not caused by a moral concern for slavery. This guy has a lot of good podcasts.

        ttgy

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Almost nobody in the crowd used either of those symbols. Alt Right was dressed in khakis and tight fitting shirts. Most looked like Fraternity Bros.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • It doesn’t matter, the media focused on the guys with Nazi symbols, and the organizers did nothing to keep people from doing Nazi stuff.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • It’s counterculture chop logic. Anything the Establishment hates must therefore be good. John Lennon sang about it in “Revolution”:

      But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
      You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow

      Richard

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • According to the left, America is founded on racism and the founding fathers were racist. If that is the case, and if the alt-right does want to be racist, it is strange that they attempt to cloak themselves in foreign symbolism and tribal membership rather than American symbolism and tribal membership.

      If I was the alt-right, my theme music would be the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Not the Horst Wessel.

      chris

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  26. Was this the Alt Right? Or the older generation of traditional Nazis and KKK? I am not saying there is much if a difference in actual politics, but the young generation know that Nazi flags and salutes are a big PR no no. The BBC is claiming that the crowd was shouting “we will not be replaced by Jews” which doesn’t make any sense. Maybe that is not actually what they were chanting….

    DataExplorer

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Right, Jews have a low birthrate (except for the Hasidim who voted for Donald Trump) and there isn’t that much Jewish immigration (a few Trump-voting Russian Jews).

      They are most likely to be replaced by Mexicans and South Americans.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • And the Chinese strivers who fill our colleges/universities.

        More evidence that America is all about the Ben Franklins, and the Chinese reign supreme with their money:

        https://seekingalpha.com/article/4093051-wealthy-chinese-snapping-u-s-real-estate

        And two-thirds of Chinese buyers paid in cash – no mortgage, just cold, hard cash.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Meaningless…

        Whatever they buy can later be confiscated,

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • We don’t find the Chinese hoarding up real estate in Québec or Barcelona.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • What is wrong with Chinese hoarding up US real estate. Last time I checked we were worried about Japanese buying our real estate and that did not turn out too well for them. Maybe we are experts in being salesmen of dubious assets aka we sell overpriced assets to unsuspecting customers :). Ever thought about that. Maybe the Chinese are buying up overpriced assets that will fall in value soon enough.

        mpt

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Unlike the Japanese in America, the Chinese are here in very large numbers. There are billions of Chinese in China, and their millions of them in America and counting.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • …claiming that the crowd was shouting “we will not be replaced by Jews” which doesn’t make any sense.

      Notice these guys almost never have any kids, are generally not married and are rarely seen with a good looking woman or any woman.

      Just hanging out with boys and acting like bitter victims.

      Never stops.

      Rifleman

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • I think they meant they won’t let Jews replace them with third world immigrants.

      Stealth

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • ^^^Yes

        Ding Ding we have a winner.

        'Pill'

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • It’s so funny, this attack on the Confederacy. People tend to forget that the second most powerful man in the South, after Jefferson Davis, was Judah Benjamin.

        The second most powerful man in the South…was a Jew.

        map

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • They meant that imaginary Jewish social controllers are replacing them with immigrants. The “by” in “replaced by” functions here as it does in “relocated by” or “fired by”.

      Garr

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • 100% imaginary. Like Cinderella and that guy who shot JR.

        'Pill'

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • They meant that imaginary Jewish social controllers are replacing them with immigrants.

        None of that has ever made sense – diverse nations have normally been unsafe for minorities (as the Coptic Christians, Yazidis, and Armenians) while traditionally Jewish neighborhoods have been race replaced by immigrants across urban America decades before the heartland ever noticed non-whites other than African Americans.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Neither does polling indicate Jews are in favor of immigration. And it makes no sense for Jews to support it as an “ethnic strategy” because non-white immigration negatively impacts Jews disproportionately more than white gentiles since we tend to live in large metro areas with substantial welfare benefits.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Is that TUJs dumbest comment yet? Certainly in the running.

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

    • They are arguing that Jews use dark arts, propaganda and hidden control of institutions, to commit cultural genocide against other groups; and that the cultural erasure inherent in the statute removal is part of a plan to erase southern cultural memory. They are correct as to the latter point about someone seeking to erase cultural memory; Mencius fingers the Puritans as the villains.

      Curle

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • Mencius fingers the Puritans as the villains.

        Mass immigration has been a WASP racial strategy to ethnically cleanse Jews out of the major cities.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Moldbug’s also wrong. Milton, Cotton Mather, Jonathan Edwards certainly didn’t want to make people forget history and stop reading. Progressivism is related to Puritanism at most in the way that simians are related to insectivores, as an evolutionary off-branch.

        Garr

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Woah, TUJ — I never thought of that. New York has a lot of Jews and so does San Francisco, the 2 most expensive cities with a substantial Jewish population. And then there’s Los Angeles, which is a bastion of garbage coming from the left, and Los Angeles has a lot of Jewish residents.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • New York has a lot of Jews and so does San Francisco, the 2 most expensive cities with a substantial Jewish population.

        In addition to cleansing Jews out to the suburbs with non-white immigration, the WASP immigration plan includes undermining affordable family formation for those Jews who remain in the cities.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Jews dominate the real estate industry in NYC, especially in Manhattan. Your comments make no sense.

        Middle income housing in Manhattan, especially those with a predominantly White demographic, Jews are quite overrepresented.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Middle income housing in Manhattan, especially those with a predominantly White demographic, Jews are quite overrepresented.

        You still don’t get it.

        For those Jews who live in the city their birthrate is depressed because of WASP engineered immigration driving up rents.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • >>Mass immigration has been a WASP racial strategy to ethnically cleanse Jews out of the major cities.

        Mass NAM immigration has cleared Jews out of cities just as other whites were cleared out. New York, San Francisco, parts of LA and Boston are exceptions. NAMs have not taken hold of those cities so there are plenty of Jews left just as there are plenty of whites left. Think about the cleansing of Detroit, Cleveland, Newark, Cincinnati, Miami, Chicago, Philadelphia, Memphis, portions of LA, and on. Now whites want back into NAM controlled cities, and they will eventually take them back because 1) they have more brains and money, 2) SJWs are ruthless in attaining what they want.

        Daniel

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Mass NAM immigration has cleared Jews out of cities just as other whites were cleared out.

        Yes.

        I’m using a “WASP” immigration conspiracy to highlight the absurdity of the notion immigration benefits Jews (polling points to ordinary Jews wanting lower immigration levels) since we take a disproportionate share of its disadvantages compared to heartland whites.

        New York, San Francisco, parts of LA and Boston are exceptions. NAMs have not taken hold of those cities so there are plenty of Jews left just as there are plenty of whites left. Think about the cleansing of Detroit, Cleveland, Newark, Cincinnati, Miami, Chicago, Philadelphia, Memphis, portions of LA, and on.

        Chicago, Philly, and Miami once had large Jewish populations who went suburban along with those city’s white gentile former residents.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • People can’t tell your sarcastic comments about “wasp engineered immigration” from your genuine, but equally stupid, ones! That ought tell you something

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

      • sarcastic comments about “wasp engineered immigration” from your genuine, but equally stupid, ones!

        Oh yes, the serious commenter around here is Magnasux who “opposes immigration” but hates the anti-immigration President Trump.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

    • No, the Alt Right was cleared out almost immediately. Spencer had been back at his hotel for nearly an hour by the time the accident occurred and he was one of the last Alt Right to leave. Violence and rioting were all Antifa and BLM (who the police DID NOT make leave).

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at EST am

  27. As frustrated as all of us are with pro-white demonstrators embracing Nazism (Naziism?) and waving Swastikas around, let us not forget the pure evil that is the activist left, or that it was they who started all of the violence.

    Stealth

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Which is why anyone against them shouldn’t do their propaganda for them.

      Richard

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  28. the alt right have plenty to be annoyed about but lets not lose perspective. theyre just a bunch of loser bored kids larping. same w/ the antifa left, tho the altright is more reviled. there isnt more than a few thousand of these people out there.

    james n.s.w

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • They’re doing damage. As long as Nazi flags and rebel flags fly at rallies like this, ordinary people will associate any advocacy on behalf of white Americans with genuine racism.

      Stealth

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Exactly. And this psycho in a car has now made “punch a Nazi” look like the moderate response.

        Richard

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • The media will always equate *any* advocacy on the behalf of white people as racist. Even if the advocates themselves are burning Nazi and Confederate flags.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • the alt right have plenty to be annoyed about but lets not lose perspective. theyre just a bunch of loser bored kids larping.

      Correct.

      This is completely blown out of proportion for a group that is politically irrelevant.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • The media is interested in the altright only to the extent they can link them to Trump.

      If they did not see a way to link Trump to them they would have zero interest in these people.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  29. I agree with Lion that this is a PR disaster, but it seems like an inevitable one. Why in God’s name would anyone not a White Nationalist or Nazi march or cooperate with White Nationalists and Nazi’s? “Unite the Right” is an impossible dream and this fiasco showed why. If you form a coalition in which you’re on the same team with Richard Spencer and David Duke, then you’ve lost and lost big. Now, the media doesn’t even have to try that hard to tarnish Trump with this mess. Thanks, “alt-right.”

    Mike Street Station

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Now, the media doesn’t even have to try that hard to tarnish Trump with this mess.

      They’ve been trying to do that since the general election but it hasn’t worked.

      I don’t see why this will reflect on Trump this time either since he hasn’t actually associated with the altright in a meaningful way.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • They tarnish Trump with that anyway. And every major rally that has been held since Trump was elected, whether it be a Nationalist/Alt Right or Libertarian/Alt Lite or both in nature has been crashed by violent Antifa groups. They are going to call you a Nazi no matter what. They are going to throw bricks and engage in violence no matter what. There is no point in punching right. All focus should be on the real enemy.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Yes they are going to call you a Nazi, no matter what. So the solution to that is to align with actual Nazi’s? If you can’t even disavow real, honest to good Nazi’s and Klan, then it’s not inaccurate when they call you a Nazi.

        Mike Street Station

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  30. Richard Spencer released his alt-right 20-point Charlottesville manifesto the other day, which is mostly uninspired boilerplate. For all the rumors about his sexuality, it’s quite striking that none of his 20 points condemn homosexuality, which would have been seen as a no-brainer to his intellectual predecessors.

    Re: Nazis, I thought Orin Hatch made a powerful comment when he said something along the lines of “my brother didn’t die fighting the Nazis in World War II so we could be fighting them here.” There’s a real ignorance of what Nazis were all about, and why Americans so proudly fought them that’s lost amid all this keyboard warrior revisionist history. There is no respect for American history anymore, no rallying around our shared national glories.

    Michael B.

    August 13, 2017 at EST am

    • Tell that to the left that accuses the descendants of American veterans of being Nazis.

      map

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Oh please. Every Nazi the US killed just allowed the soviet union to come out of the war that much stronger and rape more women and enslave more of Europe. We got duped into fighting Germany and conducted that war like total morons.

      And the reason most people think Americans proudly fought the Nazis, liberating the concentration camps, was not on any soldiers minds as they fought. The camps we’re not discovered until the end of the war and the propaganda effort to convince people that it was the worst thing in history took decades to fully unfurl.

      Magnavox

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • We were fighting for the Soviets all along which is why Alger Hiss wasn’t really a spy; the circumstantial evidence points to Hiss operating with FDR’s approval all along.

        This latest event follows a similar trajectory. The average American isn’t yet prepared to accept that prevailing civil war narratives are not just BS but outrageous BS. But, the monolith on this is cracking and narrative collapse is likely down the road. How many more new (but old) revelations like the British archives letter describing Lincoln’s late war colonization plans or revelations like the mass starvation/epidemics inflicted on the former slaves post war under the watchful eye of the Union Army or the new discoveries showing the disproportionate pre-war electoral lobbying and campaigning on tariffs compared with ending slavery before the entire edifice of railroad/regime history comes crumbling down? My friend, the professor of colonial history at an Atlantic state flagship U, estimated 50 more years. I’m hoping we can speed that up a little so that some monuments to resistance to empire can survive these ugly neighborhoods-Bolshevik times.

        Curle

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

    • The Alt Right doesn’t have a strong position on homosexuality. The Nazis don’t either. I was listening to a podcast where Andrew Anglin (Daily Stormer publisher) was asked about that and he said homos are fine so long as they don’t rub everyone’s face in it. He pretty much advocated the pre-2000’s don’t ask don’t tell detente.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • The Progressives are responsible for that ignorance and disrespect — they turned K-12 social studies, history, even English (let alone college history, anthropology, sociology, english lit) into constant “West is evil, America is the core of the West, therefore American the heart of evil” indoctrination. If America’s evil, why be pleased that America won WW2?

      Garr

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Hatch’s brother died so America could be a Non-White/feminist/LGTQ paradise?

      fakeemail

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Wow, so we can’t even agree that it was a good thing that America won World War 2. Great base you got here, Lion.

        Gorbd

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • America did not win WWII.

        map

        August 15, 2017 at EST am

  31. if you could use a laugh, watch the black guy bobbing his head in approval as Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe denounces racists and Nazis at the Charlottesville rally. But when McAuliffe praises Thomas Jefferson and George Washington as true patriots, the head bobbing suddenly freezes up. As we know, after the monuments honoring Confederate generals are expunged, the Found Fathers will be the next prime targets for eradication and replacement.

    Watch the black man’s reaction in the first 30 seconds of the McAuliffe press conference:

    Mark Caplan

    August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Ha!

      Washington and Jefferson would NOT favor open borders or a non-white America!

      fakeemail

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • It sounds like the black guy makes more sense than McAuliffe. Blacks have an attitude towards race that actually serves their own interests. There’s nothing stupider than watching some white cuckservative lecture blacks on how much better the GOP would be for them than the DNC.

      Magnavox

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Given their genetic endowment, blacks are better served by Democrat policies.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  32. I don’t know how many Jews read this blog other than Lion and Yakov. Well I got this nice gift for you. The “harmless”, “non-provoking”, white nationalists in Charlottesville chanting “Blood and Soil”.

    I hope you know enough about history of “blood and soil” so further lessons wont be needed. I would say if nothing else these white nationalists have got their slogan right. They talk “heritage” and “oppression” but chant “blood and soil”

    mpt

    August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Huh?? Blood and soil is the basis for literally every nation that’s ever existed. It’s called ethno-nationalism. Like Israel for instance.

      Andrew E.

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • It’s a German Nazi saying. The alt-right should find their own symbols and slogans, not those of the Third Reich.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • I hope you know enough about history of “blood and soil” so further lessons wont be needed.

        Slogans and symbols do not make them politically relevant, which the real Nazis very much were in their time. This crew couldn’t pass the physical and mental health requirements to enter the Wehrmacht.

        Worrying about them is a waste of time.

        Like Israel for instance.

        Israel at almost 20% Arab Muslim (not to mention many Israeli Jews who are well over 50% Slavic as can be seen by how many blonde bombshells are hanging around Israeli beaches) is less of an “ethnostate” than France.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Yes and that’s the point. Whites have been uniquely targeted to not be allowed to have their own nation.

        When they attempt even the feeblest motion to their self-interest, a self-interest self-evident and celebrated in other people, they are branded racist, nazi, etc

        fakeemail

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • In this case, they are branded “nazi” because of the Nazi chants.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • those guys look like super nerds, carrying around those hardware store gas lamp things people put in their gardens in the summer. at least the SA made night marches look cool.

      james n.s.w

      August 14, 2017 at EST am

  33. If a BLM supporter can kill 9 cops with a sniper rifle without it hurting the BLM brand, I’m sure one alt-righter can run down one antifa with a car and where there is a reasonable doubt of self defence, without it hurting the alt-right brand.

    chris

    August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • BLM had the media on their side.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • So did Hillary Clinton.

        chris

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • The alt-right has the smart internet on their side.

        F the establishment and their antifa useful idiots.

        Fred is here

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • The string of cop killings hurt the BLM brand pretty badly, actually. This tweet seems apropos.

      Richard

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Alt-right didn’t riot in Charlottesville. That was BLM/Anitfa after the police were ordered to stand down so as to let it happen.

        Andrew E.

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • The string of cop killings hurt the BLM brand pretty badly, actually.

        This isn’t quite correct.

        The Left embraced BLM while Trump has never associated with white nationalists.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • And what is happening to the SJW brand for setting off this predictable firestorm? I think more people than you imagine are opening their eyes to these deliberate provocations.

        Curle

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Except the vast majority of violence yesterday was BLM and Antifa (at a White Nationalist rally no less!). Underlying dynamic hasn’t changed in the slightest. These people will continue to fuel Trump with their tactics. Cucks at Red State as clueless as they were during the election.

        PerezHBD

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • Lets remember to put into perspective: We live in a world where Leftists have literally attempted assassination on right-of-center government officials.

      But yes, if you’re on the right — Fucking tear up and destroy any Nazi symbols you see and stomp them into the ground. You’re never going to be able to prevent these people from showing up, and it’s fine if they’re being dumbasses on a personal level, but letting their billboarded stupidity tar everyone is not good.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  34. My thoughts on Charlottesville are here: https://nationalistperspective.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville/

    Essentially it was a leftist setup between the media and the government. When the judge ruled the rally could go forward on 1st amendment grounds, the mayor issued a standdown order to police and let antifa attack the rally. Then the governor cancelled the rally due to the violence. The media was there to focus on any piece of violence from the right and downplay or ignore all of the antifa violence. Then they tried to smear Trump and all of the right wing with it, and establishment cucks went along with that frame.

    Really nasty stuff. It all happened on Soros’s birthday – a big present to him.

    nationalistperspective

    August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  35. Twitter feed of a lawyer connected to the Virginia ACLU states that the Charlottesville PD were ordered to stand down and not get involved. Can this be confirmed?

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  36. “It’s a German Nazi saying. The alt-right should find their own symbols and slogans, not those of the Third Reich.”

    This brings up a larger issue: have white Americans lost all cultural creativity? Poor blacks have their own culture (even though it’s become stagnant), and the music they created served as the basis for America’s popular music. Our national identity is based not on who we are as a people, but on America’s history of military conquests and failures. We have very little in the way of original native cuisine, and our buildings are nothing but drab boxes because apparently we had neither the imagination nor the will to do better.

    How fitting that underclass white zombies would choose the flag of a defeated, insane government from Europe as their banner.

    Stealth

    August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • White popular culture is in resurgence, under the guise of 1980s nostalgia (and its revival).

      Panther of the Blogocube

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • America is a cultural desert.

      Right wing French Canadians take their extremism into an art form.

      JS

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Got anything new, that’s relevant, to add?

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Yeah, America is a cultural desert and American Whites have no creativity or imagination, at least not on the level with Whites who live in non-Anglo nations.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • And blame it on the Anglo Sphere which is just a large conglomerate only looking for the bottom line.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • True irony: Lion’s least original and insightful commenter is the one complaining about unoriginality and cultural barrenness.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

    • I think listening to the Steven Foster songbook should disabuse most people of the idea that American pop culture is exclusively or mostly derived from blues songs if the 1920s. Foster was writing in the 1850s and his stuff still sounds good.

      Curle

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • An even better version from the excellent compilation Beautiful Dreamer Songs of Steven Foster.

        Curle

        August 13, 2017 at EST pm

      • Paul Robeson did a great rendition of “My Old Kentucky Home.” It’s on youtube.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 14, 2017 at EST am

    • To say white America has no culture is appallingly ignorant. Pick up a book sometime and read about America’s great inventors, architects, scientists, chefs, actors, directors, artists, and musicians. They have been some of the most culturally influential people who have ever lived. It’s not our fault that American culture is so globally ubiquitous today that it’s easy to take it for granted.

      Gorbd

      August 13, 2017 at EST pm

  37. http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1457427/1457579/https%3A/www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-protests-white-nationalists.html

    MEH 0910

    August 14, 2017 at EST pm

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