Joseph Mifsud, NOT a Russian spy
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html
Excellent article above.
I suspect the operation to spy on Trump’s campaign started out as a U.K. intelligence operation, with Misfud being part of that operation. David Cameron hates Donald Trump, and the U.K. spying on Trump solves the “problem” (from the perspective of Obama-administration U.S. intelligence agencies) of it being Watergate-like (if not illegal) to spy on the political campaign of the opposing party. The U.K. seeding operation then planted the “probable cause” needed for the FBI to pick things up.
Lion of the Blogosphere 
I don’t doubt that our allies are just as willing, if not more so, to meddle in our elections than our enemies. And that may give the deep state plausible deniability. But there’s no way you’ll convince me the deep state didn’t know what was going on. And therefore participated in it passively if not actively. But I’m still not read to write off active participation from the deep state.
Not that I think it was an official deep state operation. More a case of people in power abusing their power and connections to do something off the books. It’s all speculation at this point., But more than enough smoke to tell there’s been a fire.
destructure
May 30, 2018 at 1:49 PM
Why do you keep misspelling Mifsud as Misfud? Are you on a diet?
gothamette
May 30, 2018 at 2:13 PM
Why does he have to have such a weird last name?
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 2:30 PM
Mifsud isn’t a weird last name. It’s Middle Eastern.
So tell us Lion, do you miss food?
gothamette
May 30, 2018 at 2:31 PM
It’s Maltese. I think it’s the most common Maltese name. I’ve known two Maltese people in my life, and they were both named Mifsud.
Wency
May 31, 2018 at 8:42 AM
LOL.
This “investigation” is mostly based on a self published book by two “friends” of Joseph Mifsud that claim he is a western intelligence agent rather than a Russian operative. In the book Mifsud denies telling George Papadopoulos anything about Clinton emails.
Oh come on. Will you believe any piece of nonsense some random person puts up on the web that fits with your preferred narrative? That’s how pizzagate happened.
MikeCA
May 30, 2018 at 4:36 PM
“Will you believe any piece of nonsense some random person puts up on the web that fits with your preferred narrative?”
That describes liberals perfectly when they see anything that’s anti-Trump.
Mueller indicted a bunch of losers in Russia who worked for a troll factory, but has done nothing about the mastermind spy?
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 5:04 PM
It is possible that the Trump campaign was too poorly organized to collude with the Russians, but that wasn’t from a lack of trying. “Collusion” is not a crime anyway. Knowingly accepting or soliciting aid or money from a foreign government I think is a violation of campaign finance law.
Trump Jr seemed excited to take a meeting with a Russian government lawyer offering dirt on Hillary Clinton. The lawyer was clearly asking to have some Russian sanctions lifted if Trump got elected in return for the help. As Steve Bannon said, this meeting was “treasonous.”
The evidence for obstruction of justice is in plain sight. There doesn’t have to be proof of an underlying crime for it to be obstruction of justice. There just has to be an investigation of a possible crime.
MikeCA
May 30, 2018 at 6:05 PM
“There doesn’t have to be proof of an underlying crime for it to be obstruction of justice. ”
Actually, there doesn’t have to be ANY underlying crime at all. That George Papapolous guy pleaded guilty for lying to the FBI even though he apparently committed no actual crime.
Of course, the FBI are experts at getting to people to lie under duress and thus create crimes out of thin air.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 6:22 PM
Knowingly accepting or soliciting aid or money from a foreign government I think is a violation of campaign finance law.
A standard you only apply to Republicans and always excuse for Democrats. Where was your outrage when Hillary sold American uranium stockpiles to the villainous Russians after they donated $150 million to the Clinton Foundation?
The Undiscovered Jew
May 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM
“Obstruction of justice”
Your question assumes facts not in evidence, that Mueller’s seeking justice.
Curle
May 30, 2018 at 9:47 PM
“As Steve Bannon said, this meeting was “treasonous.”
Bannon’s not a stand-in for a judge, neither are you.
Curle
May 30, 2018 at 9:51 PM
Seriously MikeCA? This entire investigation is a piece of nonsense. You should wish it was based on a (nonfiction) book.
Mike Street Station
May 30, 2018 at 6:13 PM
As I said above, even Steve Bannon agreed the June 2016 Trump tower meeting was “treasonous.”
If the whole investigation is nonsense, then why is Trump trying desperately to shut it down. Obstruction of justice is essentially an admission of guilt.
If there is no crime, why is Trump acting so guilty?
MikeCA
May 30, 2018 at 6:41 PM
That meeting was likely a setup to make them look guilty. By some guy in the United Kingdom. The U.K. is always the source of everything.
I see Trump acting like an innocent person who is rightly pissed that he’s being investigated for 2 years.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 7:32 PM
“That meeting was likely a setup to make them look guilty. By some guy in the United Kingdom.”
Oh come on. Are you suggesting that the UK somehow tricked the Russians into sending an actual Russian government lawyer to this meeting to make Trump look guilty?
MikeCA
May 30, 2018 at 7:39 PM
The lawyer in question was willing to meet with any politician in the U.S., so yes, pretty easy.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 7:59 PM
MikeCA,
Obstruction is a made-up none-crime. In fact, courts typically construe “obstruction” very narrowly to prevent crimes from being created out of thin air. That seems to have gotten thrown out the window of late.
You are not going like it when Trump declares martial law and has the left arrested.
map
May 30, 2018 at 8:19 PM
The U.K. is always the source of everything.
And yet no one on the internet spends their time looking for British conspiracy theories.
The Undiscovered Jew
May 30, 2018 at 8:34 PM
The “UK guy” who helped set up this meeting was Rob Goldstone who is the publicist of Emin Agalarov. Emin Agalarov is an Azerbaijani-Russian singer who performs in both Russian and English. Emin’s father is Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch and head of the Crocus Group.
Ike Kaveladze, a US based vice president of the Crocus Group, was also present at the Trump Tower meeting. Kaveladze’s lawyer said Kaveladze attended the meeting as the Agalarov family’s emissary “just to make sure it happened and to serve as an interpreter if necessary.”
It seems obvious that the Russina oligarch Aras Agalarov was responsible for setting up the meeting.
MikeCA
May 30, 2018 at 8:41 PM
“As I said above, even Steve Bannon agreed the June 2016 Trump tower meeting was “treasonous.” ”
…and Steve Bannon was one of the primary White House leakers, doing major damage to Trump’s early months in the White House. So I can’t really speak to Bannon or his motives, since they don’t seem to make sense to me, but if you can explain exactly why the June 2016 Trump tower meeting was treasonous, please do. We know everything about the meeting at this point, so it should be easy to pin point.
Mike Street Station
May 30, 2018 at 9:17 PM
“So I can’t really speak to Bannon or his motives, since they don’t seem to make sense to me”
He was just pissed off that he didn’t have a bigger role in things.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 9:52 PM
“f the whole investigation is nonsense, then why is Trump trying desperately to shut it down. Obstruction of justice is essentially an admission of guilt.
If there is no crime, why is Trump acting so guilty?”
It’s hard to tell if you’re serious or not with this one. The Plame investigation went on for two years, eating up political capital and bogging down the White House, even though the guilty party was known by the special prosecutor after the first week.
Or…maybe we should have a special investigator investigate each new administration for their entire term. I mean, if they’re not guilty of anything, why should they object?
Mike Street Station
May 30, 2018 at 9:21 PM
Kaveladze’s lawyer said Kaveladze attended the meeting as the Agalarov family’s emissary “just to make sure it happened and to serve as an interpreter if necessary.”
What the fuck is your point? That it is illegal to meet with Russians?
Christopher Steele wrote the dossier, should we also make it illegal to meet with British?
The Undiscovered Jew
May 30, 2018 at 10:23 PM
“…if you can explain exactly why the June 2016 Trump tower meeting was treasonous, please do. We know everything about the meeting at this point, so it should be easy to pin point.”
We actually do not know “everything” about this meeting. We only know the last story of what went on in this meeting. When someone leaked to the press evidence conflicting with earlier stories of the meeting, the stories were updated.
On June 3, 2016 Rob Goldstone sent an email to Trump Jr saying the Crown prosecutor of Russia has some dirt on Hilary Clinton and would be willing to share it. Trump Jr. replies that he is on the road but would love it if it is what was described.
On June 6th there are some emails back and forth and Trump Jr may have spoken to the singer Emin Agalarov in Moscow.
On June 7th Goldstone sent an email saying a “Russian Government lawyer” will be in New York June 9th and would like to meet with Trump Jr on or after 3 PM. Trump Jr responds that 3 PM on that day is good.
A few hours later Trump wins the last primaries, clinching the nomination. In his acceptance speech he promises to deliver a major address detailing Clinton’s corrupt dealings and favourable treatment with foreign governments, including the Russians.
On June 9th the Trump Tower meeting takes place. Participants claim that Natalia Veselnitskaya mostly talked about lifting the Magnitsky sanctions so that US parents could adopt Russian babies again. She gave a folder in information to Trump Jr, but he claims it was not what he was looking for.
On June 14th Goldstone forwarded Trump Jr. a news story about Russian hacking of Democrats’ emails, describing the news as “eerily weird” in light of what they had discussed in the Trump Tower meeting
Trumps promised major address on Clinton’s corrupt dealings with Russia never happened.
Trump Jr and the Trump campaign never reported this meeting to the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.
When the existence of this meeting became public in July 2017, Trump Jr. first claimed the meeting was only about adoptions.
After the NYT was leaked the information that Goldstone had promised negative information on Clinton from the Russian government, Trump Jr. admitted that was true but claimed the information was worthless.
To most people this meeting looks like the Russian government offering its assistance to the Trump campaign in return for a promise to lift the Magnitsky sanctions. There are reports in the first weeks of the Trump presidency there were people trying to figure out how Trump could lift the Magnitsky sanctions, but that effort appears to have ended after Flynn was fired.
It is possible that the purpose of this meeting was to green light the Russian release of the hacked DNC emails in return for a promise to lift the Magnitsky sanctions.
MikeCA
May 30, 2018 at 11:28 PM
The Clintons had many meetings with Russians. If the press only spent half as much time on those meetings as this one single meeting.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 11:54 PM
Lion: “That meeting was likely a setup to make them look guilty. By some guy in the United Kingdom. ”
MikeCA: “Kaveladze’s lawyer said Kaveladze attended the meeting as the Agalarov family’s emissary “just to make sure it happened and to serve as an interpreter if necessary.”
The Undiscovered Jew: “What the f..k is your point? That it is illegal to meet with Russians?”
My point was explained in the next paragraph:
MikeCA: “It seems obvious that the Russina oligarch Aras Agalarov was responsible for setting up the meeting.”
In setting up this meeting the UK guy, Rob Goldstone, was acting at the request of Aras Agalarov.
MikeCA
May 30, 2018 at 11:47 PM
“Some have speculated that Goldstone was also involved with British or US intelligence efforts to concoct the RussiaGate narrative. As soon as his name emerged in the press, Goldstone – like Christopher Steele and Joseph Mifsud – went into ‘hiding’. Multiple press reports claimed he had done so out of fear for his safety, a claim also made about Christopher Steele when his name first became public. Indeed, the UK government issued a DA Notice (a press suppression advisory notice) to the British press to suppress the ex-spy Steele’s name. It is notable that, of all the people swept up into the ever-burgeoning RussiaGate investigation, it is only the UK-linked witnesses – Mifsud, Steele, Goldstone – who have felt the need to go into hiding when their role has been exposed.”
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 31, 2018 at 12:01 AM
“Obstruction is a made-up none-crime. In fact, courts typically construe “obstruction” very narrowly to prevent crimes from being created out of thin air. That seems to have gotten thrown out the window of late.”
I’m not sure what you mean by a made-up none-crime. It is a crime.
“You are not going like it when Trump declares martial law and has the left arrested.”
So when is Trump going to do this? After the 2018 midterms? After he loses in 2020?
I don’t doubt that Trump would love to do this.
MikeCA
May 31, 2018 at 12:08 AM
“You are not going like it when Trump declares martial law and has the left arrested.”
By the way the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act forbids military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval.
MikeCA
May 31, 2018 at 12:15 AM
MikeCA is a cuck. The special counsel against Clinton was wrong in the 1990s and it is wrong now as well. In both cases it was the Bush crowd behind the non-stop smear campaign against the sitting president. Unlike Bush (Skull and Bones) Clinton was backed by the Robber Barons, Jews, newly rich sunbelt types, and the technology sector. The special counsel was a way for old money to put new money in its place. The 2000 presidential election featured a similar contest with Skull and Bones winning.
Trump being a billionaire is a minor noblemen of sorts and is backed by new money interests but also the America first crowd (high proles/middle class). It’s no surprise that John Kerry (Skull and Bones) is the mastermind of all this both he and Mueller went to prep school together. The two Bonesmen in the Trump administration are Jews who represent a new generation of Skull and Bones in contrast to Bush/Kerry.
redarmyvodka
June 1, 2018 at 5:40 AM
The president doesn’t need congressional approval to deploy US troops domestically. There are several exceptions and they’ve been deployed during times of crisis before. In case you didn’t know the president is the chief law enforcement officer of the nation. When you elect a president you basically elect the chief policeman, soldier, economist, and statesman. Trump is also going to be reelected by a landslide. It was only massive Democrat voter fraud and letting felons vote that prevented him from winning the popular vote and five other states as well. Now that the GOP controls the presidency and by extension the US Department of Justice that advantage will be gone.
redarmyvodka
June 1, 2018 at 5:53 AM
OT but Rotherham comes to Calfornia. Here are the Sacramento arrestees:
Gursharanpal Banga, 34
Manpreet Singh Dhillon, 26
Lakhveer Singh Gill, 30
Baljinder Singh Khaira, 38
Balwinder Singh Malhi, 32
Dharampal Singh, 21
Harpreet Singh Talwar, 18
ed meese
May 30, 2018 at 5:21 PM
Do you mean New Delhi comes to California?
Logik
May 30, 2018 at 7:29 PM
Sikhs?
gothamette
May 30, 2018 at 10:13 PM
Wait, has roli commented today? His silence on this matter makes him guilty.
Sincerely,
MikeGAY
driveallnight
May 30, 2018 at 10:50 PM
Not that there’s anything wrong with being gay.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 30, 2018 at 10:51 PM
Of course not
driveallnight
May 31, 2018 at 12:39 AM
This Sacramento thing isn’t Rotherham.
Australia has had huge Catholic church scandals. Why no talk about that?
gothamette
May 31, 2018 at 7:35 AM
People talk about the catholic scandals all the time. No one has let them off the hook for anything. On the contrary, Tommy Robinson just got 13 months in prison for merely reporting on another case similar to Rotherham. That’s what we should be talking about.
destructure
May 31, 2018 at 12:50 PM
“all the time”?
I never heard of the Ballarat scandal until I happened upon an article in the NY Times, ironically because I followed a link to an article from Sailer. LOL.
My point, which you missed, is that the alt right never fails to link Rotherham/Telford to the essence of Islam.
So are the Catholic church scandals the essence of the Catholic church?
gothamette
May 31, 2018 at 2:11 PM
The essence of Catholicism as a corrupt organization, yes.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 31, 2018 at 2:17 PM
“So are the Catholic church scandals the essence of the Catholic church?”
1) the Catholic Church scandals received enormous attention in this country;
2) Catholics aren’t seeking to immigrate in large numbers into the European world, they are already there, so there is no social decision point about admittance;
3) Catholics are preying on their own, not on the native inhabitants of another ethnicity;
4) The Catholic Church scandals re-open the long-standing question about whether the trade-off between family capture of the Church vs. sexual perversion among the priesthood is worth siding with perversion over non-capture.
Curle
June 1, 2018 at 10:11 AM
I suspect the operation to spy on Trump’s campaign started out as a U.K. intelligence operation,
So the real foreign collusion in the campaign was between Hillary and the British?
The Undiscovered Jew
May 30, 2018 at 8:26 PM
As the treatment of Tommy Robinson and Rotherham et al. show, Britain is very far gone.
Dan
May 31, 2018 at 9:53 AM
The British/European influence on American society is very toxic. The Manhattan/DC crowd is given free rides to Oxford for a reason. These scholarships were created to split America/Russia as allies by creating British agents of influence at the heart of the American opinion shaping apparatus. That doesn’t mean they get their way all the time but they were definitely behind the operation against Trump’s candidacy/presidency.
redarmyvodka
June 1, 2018 at 6:01 AM
If the Russians did in fact have Hillary’s emails, they were in possession of either a) granddaughter photos and yoga routines or b) classified USG information. If the former, NBD. If the latter, DTJr was entirely justified in meeting with anyone to return that information to the proper authorities. So either way, DTJr was simply doing his patriotic duty by meeting with sources who might have access to the emails.
God Shammgod
May 30, 2018 at 8:43 PM
“The U.K. seeding operation then planted the “probable cause” needed for the FBI to pick things up.”
RICO for the purpose of getting around prohibition against domestic spying?
Proof of Comey’s corruption is he always knew the precise moment and way to be incompetent to maximum effect and never faced repercussions. The sign of a real pro.
Curle
May 30, 2018 at 9:31 PM